'End Session' problem

[Anne Wilson-5]

On my laptop I am unable to 'End Session'.  I suspect that this is caused by
something left over from a previous install, but so far haven't been able to
find it.  I can shut down cleanly and also reboot cleanly, but if I 'End
Session' I see about 1 second of normal activity, then the screen flashes and
is replaced by a black screen with a cursor in the top left-hand corner.  
There is considerable disk activity for about 5 seconds, then nothing.  There
it hangs until I touch the power button, at which time it begins a shutdown
routine.

It looks as though the shutdown is expecting to have to deal with a service
that it can't find.  I used to start with a previously saved session, but it
is now set to start with an empty session.  I'm really stuck for ideas to
check.

Anne
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> On my laptop I am unable to 'End Session'. I suspect that this is caused by
> something left over from a previous install, but so far haven't been able to
> find it. I can shut down cleanly and also reboot cleanly, but if I 'End
> Session' I see about 1 second of normal activity, then the screen flashes and
> is replaced by a black screen with a cursor in the top left-hand corner.
> There is considerable disk activity for about 5 seconds, then nothing. There
> it hangs until I touch the power button, at which time it begins a shutdown
> routine.
>
> It looks as though the shutdown is expecting to have to deal with a service
> that it can't find. I used to start with a previously saved session, but it
> is now set to start with an empty session. I'm really stuck for ideas to
> check.
>
> Anne

Looks like the same problem I have with KDE... no, not KDE any more, now it seems to be X itself.
In my earlier mails I wrote about KDE crashing on logout (bugzilla.novell.com, bug 336627) and told that after the crash there's sometimes only a black screen with mouse pointer on it, forever until a reboot - ctrl+alt+backspace and init 3, init 5 do not help. So i thought this was a consequence of the bug - but of course, I was wrong :)

Now, after patching the KDE bug, after a logout X STILL sporadically doesn't return to the login screen, but stays with a black screen and mouse cursor - at least, now I can restart X with 'init 3; init 5' and don't have to reboot (ctrl+alt+backspace still doesn't work). Now I don't know if it's a configuration error or a problem with NVIDIA drivers (or something else).

Anybody a clue? (pleease!)

Max

P.S. Oh yeah, this time there's nothing in the Xorg.#.log or .xsession-errors - they both have exactly the same entries as when the logout runs normally.

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[Anne Wilson-5]

On Friday 08 February 2008 17:32:26 M K wrote:

> > On my laptop I am unable to 'End Session'.  I suspect that this is caused
> > by something left over from a previous install, but so far haven't been
> > able to find it.  I can shut down cleanly and also reboot cleanly, but if
> > I 'End Session' I see about 1 second of normal activity, then the screen
> > flashes and is replaced by a black screen with a cursor in the top
> > left-hand corner. There is considerable disk activity for about 5
> > seconds, then nothing.  There it hangs until I touch the power button, at
> > which time it begins a shutdown routine.
> >
> > It looks as though the shutdown is expecting to have to deal with a
> > service that it can't find.  I used to start with a previously saved
> > session, but it is now set to start with an empty session.  I'm really
> > stuck for ideas to check.
> >
> > Anne
>
> Looks like the same problem I have with KDE... no, not KDE any more, now it
> seems to be X itself. In my earlier mails I wrote about KDE crashing on
> logout (bugzilla.novell.com, bug 336627) and told that after the crash
> there's sometimes only a black screen with mouse pointer on it, forever
> until a reboot - ctrl+alt+backspace and init 3, init 5 do not help. So i
> thought this was a consequence of the bug - but of course, I was wrong :)
>
> Now, after patching the KDE bug, after a logout X STILL sporadically
> doesn't return to the login screen, but stays with a black screen and mouse
> cursor - at least, now I can restart X with 'init 3; init 5' and don't have
> to reboot (ctrl+alt+backspace still doesn't work). Now I don't know if it's
> a configuration error or a problem with NVIDIA drivers (or something else).
>
> Anybody a clue? (pleease!)
>
> Max
>
> P.S. Oh yeah, this time there's nothing in the Xorg.#.log or
> .xsession-errors - they both have exactly the same entries as when the
> logout runs normally.
>

Hmm - this is a laptop with an ATi Mobility Radeon X600.  I wonder if it

really is an X problem.  All the same, if it is, why doesn't it affect
shutting down or rebooting?  You've given me food for thought, but I'm not
absolutely convinced.

Anne


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> From: cannewilson@...
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> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 18:55:20 +0000
> Subject: Re: [kde-linux] 'End Session' problem
>
> On Friday 08 February 2008 17:32:26 M K wrote:
> > > On my laptop I am unable to 'End Session'. I suspect that this is caused
> > > by something left over from a previous install, but so far haven't been
> > > able to find it. I can shut down cleanly and also reboot cleanly, but if
> > > I 'End Session' I see about 1 second of normal activity, then the screen
> > > flashes and is replaced by a black screen with a cursor in the top
> > > left-hand corner. There is considerable disk activity for about 5
> > > seconds, then nothing. There it hangs until I touch the power button, at
> > > which time it begins a shutdown routine.
> > >
> > > It looks as though the shutdown is expecting to have to deal with a
> > > service that it can't find. I used to start with a previously saved
> > > session, but it is now set to start with an empty session. I'm really
> > > stuck for ideas to check.
> >
> >
> > Looks like the same problem I have with KDE... no, not KDE any more, now it
> > seems to be X itself. In my earlier mails I wrote about KDE crashing on
> > logout (bugzilla.novell.com, bug 336627) and told that after the crash
> > there's sometimes only a black screen with mouse pointer on it, forever
> > until a reboot - ctrl+alt+backspace and init 3, init 5 do not help. So i
> > thought this was a consequence of the bug - but of course, I was wrong :)
> >
> > Now, after patching the KDE bug, after a logout X STILL sporadically
> > doesn't return to the login screen, but stays with a black screen and mouse
> > cursor - at least, now I can restart X with 'init 3; init 5' and don't have
> > to reboot (ctrl+alt+backspace still doesn't work). Now I don't know if it's
> > a configuration error or a problem with NVIDIA drivers (or something else).
> >
> >
> > P.S. Oh yeah, this time there's nothing in the Xorg.#.log or
> > .xsession-errors - they both have exactly the same entries as when the
> > logout runs normally.
> >
> Hmm - this is a laptop with an ATi Mobility Radeon X600. I wonder if it
> really is an X problem. All the same, if it is, why doesn't it affect
> shutting down or rebooting? You've given me food for thought, but I'm not
> absolutely convinced.
>

I think shutdown or reboot are not affected 'cause these are not strict X routines, but the logoff... don't know if it's a total trash what I've just said :-)

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[Anne Wilson-5]

On Saturday 09 February 2008 09:15, M K wrote:

> > > Now, after patching the KDE bug, after a logout X STILL sporadically
> > > doesn't return to the login screen, but stays with a black screen and
> > > mouse cursor - at least, now I can restart X with 'init 3; init 5' and
> > > don't have to reboot (ctrl+alt+backspace still doesn't work). Now I
> > > don't know if it's a configuration error or a problem with NVIDIA
> > > drivers (or something else).
> > >
> > >
> > > P.S. Oh yeah, this time there's nothing in the Xorg.#.log or
> > > .xsession-errors - they both have exactly the same entries as when the
> > > logout runs normally.
> >
> > Hmm - this is a laptop with an ATi Mobility Radeon X600.  I wonder if it
> > really is an X problem.  All the same, if it is, why doesn't it affect
> > shutting down or rebooting?  You've given me food for thought, but I'm
> > not absolutely convinced.
>
> I think shutdown or reboot are not affected 'cause these are not strict X
> routines, but the logoff... don't know if it's a total trash what I've just
> said :-)

You could be right, though.  One thing is clear, the same distro performs
perfectly on my old, non-ATi, laptop.  I had no problem with the 2007 and
2007.1 versions of Mandriva, but then the Radeon X600 wasn't said to be
supported by the kernel drivers, so I would have been using a simpler video
driver.  I guess the only way to test the theory is to find out how to load
the old (vesa?) driver instead of the current one.  I'm pushed for time at
the moment, but I'll try to look into that over the next day or two.

Anne
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[James Loughner-2]

Anne Wilson wrote:

> On Saturday 09 February 2008 09:15, M K wrote:
>  
>>>> Now, after patching the KDE bug, after a logout X STILL sporadically
>>>> doesn't return to the login screen, but stays with a black screen and
>>>> mouse cursor - at least, now I can restart X with 'init 3; init 5' and
>>>> don't have to reboot (ctrl+alt+backspace still doesn't work). Now I
>>>> don't know if it's a configuration error or a problem with NVIDIA
>>>> drivers (or something else).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> P.S. Oh yeah, this time there's nothing in the Xorg.#.log or
>>>> .xsession-errors - they both have exactly the same entries as when the
>>>> logout runs normally.
>>>>        
>>> Hmm - this is a laptop with an ATi Mobility Radeon X600. Â I wonder if it
>>> really is an X problem. Â All the same, if it is, why doesn't it affect
>>> shutting down or rebooting? Â You've given me food for thought, but I'm
>>> not absolutely convinced.
>>>      
>> I think shutdown or reboot are not affected 'cause these are not strict X
>> routines, but the logoff... don't know if it's a total trash what I've just
>> said :-)
>>    
>
> You could be right, though.  One thing is clear, the same distro performs
> perfectly on my old, non-ATi, laptop.  I had no problem with the 2007 and
> 2007.1 versions of Mandriva, but then the Radeon X600 wasn't said to be
> supported by the kernel drivers, so I would have been using a simpler video
> driver.  I guess the only way to test the theory is to find out how to load
> the old (vesa?) driver instead of the current one.  I'm pushed for time at
> the moment, but I'll try to look into that over the next day or two.
>
> Anne
>  

Just edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and make vesa the driver.

Jim


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[Anne Wilson-5]

On Saturday 09 February 2008 16:58:49 James Loughner wrote:

> Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Saturday 09 February 2008 09:15, M K wrote:
> >>>> Now, after patching the KDE bug, after a logout X STILL sporadically
> >>>> doesn't return to the login screen, but stays with a black screen and
> >>>> mouse cursor - at least, now I can restart X with 'init 3; init 5' and
> >>>> don't have to reboot (ctrl+alt+backspace still doesn't work). Now I
> >>>> don't know if it's a configuration error or a problem with NVIDIA
> >>>> drivers (or something else).
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> P.S. Oh yeah, this time there's nothing in the Xorg.#.log or
> >>>> .xsession-errors - they both have exactly the same entries as when the
> >>>> logout runs normally.
> >>>
> >>> Hmm - this is a laptop with an ATi Mobility Radeon X600. Â I wonder if
> >>> it really is an X problem. Â All the same, if it is, why doesn't it
> >>> affect shutting down or rebooting? Â You've given me food for thought,
> >>> but I'm not absolutely convinced.
> >>
> >> I think shutdown or reboot are not affected 'cause these are not strict
> >> X routines, but the logoff... don't know if it's a total trash what I've
> >> just said :-)
> >
> > You could be right, though.  One thing is clear, the same distro performs
> > perfectly on my old, non-ATi, laptop.  I had no problem with the 2007 and
> > 2007.1 versions of Mandriva, but then the Radeon X600 wasn't said to be
> > supported by the kernel drivers, so I would have been using a simpler
> > video driver.  I guess the only way to test the theory is to find out how
> > to load the old (vesa?) driver instead of the current one.  I'm pushed
> > for time at the moment, but I'll try to look into that over the next day
> > or two.
> >
> > Anne
>
> Just edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and make vesa the driver.
>

OK, tried it, and proved the point.  The display was, frankly, awful, but

the 'End Session' worked perfectly.  Time to report a bug.

Anne



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[Anne Wilson-5]

On Saturday 09 February 2008 18:36:47 Anne Wilson wrote:

> On Saturday 09 February 2008 16:58:49 James Loughner wrote:
> > Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > On Saturday 09 February 2008 09:15, M K wrote:
> > >>>> Now, after patching the KDE bug, after a logout X STILL sporadically
> > >>>> doesn't return to the login screen, but stays with a black screen
> > >>>> and mouse cursor - at least, now I can restart X with 'init 3; init
> > >>>> 5' and don't have to reboot (ctrl+alt+backspace still doesn't work).
> > >>>> Now I don't know if it's a configuration error or a problem with
> > >>>> NVIDIA drivers (or something else).
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> P.S. Oh yeah, this time there's nothing in the Xorg.#.log or
> > >>>> .xsession-errors - they both have exactly the same entries as when
> > >>>> the logout runs normally.
> > >>>
> > >>> Hmm - this is a laptop with an ATi Mobility Radeon X600. Â I wonder
> > >>> if it really is an X problem. Â All the same, if it is, why doesn't
> > >>> it affect shutting down or rebooting? Â You've given me food for
> > >>> thought, but I'm not absolutely convinced.
> > >>
> > >> I think shutdown or reboot are not affected 'cause these are not
> > >> strict X routines, but the logoff... don't know if it's a total trash
> > >> what I've just said :-)
> > >
> > > You could be right, though.  One thing is clear, the same distro
> > > performs perfectly on my old, non-ATi, laptop.  I had no problem with
> > > the 2007 and 2007.1 versions of Mandriva, but then the Radeon X600
> > > wasn't said to be supported by the kernel drivers, so I would have been
> > > using a simpler video driver.  I guess the only way to test the theory
> > > is to find out how to load the old (vesa?) driver instead of the
> > > current one.  I'm pushed for time at the moment, but I'll try to look
> > > into that over the next day or two.
> > >
> > > Anne
> >
> > Just edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and make vesa the driver.
>
> OK, tried it, and proved the point.  The display was, frankly, awful, but
> the 'End Session' worked perfectly.  Time to report a bug.
>

James take a look at Bug #33095 at http://qa.mandriva.com/

Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, changing splash=silent to splash=verbose.  It's not
clear why this works - the bug seems to be flgrx crashing on the way out, so
I don't see the connection - but several people have confirmed that it worked
for them.

Anne




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[Selenium]

Anne Wilson wrote:

On Saturday 09 February 2008 18:36:47 Anne Wilson wrote:
  

On Saturday 09 February 2008 16:58:49 James Loughner wrote:
    

Anne Wilson wrote:
      

On Saturday 09 February 2008 09:15, M K wrote:
        

Now, after patching the KDE bug, after a logout X STILL sporadically
doesn't return to the login screen, but stays with a black screen
and mouse cursor - at least, now I can restart X with 'init 3; init
5' and don't have to reboot (ctrl+alt+backspace still doesn't work).
Now I don't know if it's a configuration error or a problem with
NVIDIA drivers (or something else).


P.S. Oh yeah, this time there's nothing in the Xorg.#.log or
.xsession-errors - they both have exactly the same entries as when
the logout runs normally.
              

Hmm - this is a laptop with an ATi Mobility Radeon X600. Â I wonder
if it really is an X problem. Â All the same, if it is, why doesn't
it affect shutting down or rebooting? Â You've given me food for
thought, but I'm not absolutely convinced.
            

I think shutdown or reboot are not affected 'cause these are not
strict X routines, but the logoff... don't know if it's a total trash
what I've just said :-)
          

You could be right, though.  One thing is clear, the same distro
performs perfectly on my old, non-ATi, laptop.  I had no problem with
the 2007 and 2007.1 versions of Mandriva, but then the Radeon X600
wasn't said to be supported by the kernel drivers, so I would have been
using a simpler video driver.  I guess the only way to test the theory
is to find out how to load the old (vesa?) driver instead of the
current one.  I'm pushed for time at the moment, but I'll try to look
into that over the next day or two.

Anne
        

Just edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and make vesa the driver.
      

OK, tried it, and proved the point.  The display was, frankly, awful, but
the 'End Session' worked perfectly.  Time to report a bug.

    

James take a look at Bug #33095 at http://qa.mandriva.com/

Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, changing splash=silent to splash=verbose.  It's not 
clear why this works - the bug seems to be flgrx crashing on the way out, so 
I don't see the connection - but several people have confirmed that it worked 
for them.

Anne


  

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I just want to confirm that this fix seems to work for ubuntu running on a compaq laptop under KDM/KDE with an ati xpress 200m and the latest ATI proprietary driver. Prior to changing to verbose I could change users but I couldn't logout.

Art Edwards

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Anne Wilson wrote:

> On Saturday 09 February 2008 18:36:47 Anne Wilson wrote:
>  
>> On Saturday 09 February 2008 16:58:49 James Loughner wrote:
>>    
>>> Anne Wilson wrote:
>>>      
>>>> On Saturday 09 February 2008 09:15, M K wrote:
>>>>        
>>>>>>> Now, after patching the KDE bug, after a logout X STILL sporadically
>>>>>>> doesn't return to the login screen, but stays with a black screen
>>>>>>> and mouse cursor - at least, now I can restart X with 'init 3; init
>>>>>>> 5' and don't have to reboot (ctrl+alt+backspace still doesn't work).
>>>>>>> Now I don't know if it's a configuration error or a problem with
>>>>>>> NVIDIA drivers (or something else).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P.S. Oh yeah, this time there's nothing in the Xorg.#.log or
>>>>>>> .xsession-errors - they both have exactly the same entries as when
>>>>>>> the logout runs normally.
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>> Hmm - this is a laptop with an ATi Mobility Radeon X600. Â I wonder
>>>>>> if it really is an X problem. Â All the same, if it is, why doesn't
>>>>>> it affect shutting down or rebooting? Â You've given me food for
>>>>>> thought, but I'm not absolutely convinced.
>>>>>>            
>>>>> I think shutdown or reboot are not affected 'cause these are not
>>>>> strict X routines, but the logoff... don't know if it's a total trash
>>>>> what I've just said :-)
>>>>>          
>>>> You could be right, though.  One thing is clear, the same distro
>>>> performs perfectly on my old, non-ATi, laptop.  I had no problem with
>>>> the 2007 and 2007.1 versions of Mandriva, but then the Radeon X600
>>>> wasn't said to be supported by the kernel drivers, so I would have been
>>>> using a simpler video driver.  I guess the only way to test the theory
>>>> is to find out how to load the old (vesa?) driver instead of the
>>>> current one.  I'm pushed for time at the moment, but I'll try to look
>>>> into that over the next day or two.
>>>>
>>>> Anne
>>>>        
>>> Just edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and make vesa the driver.
>>>      
>> OK, tried it, and proved the point.  The display was, frankly, awful, but
>> the 'End Session' worked perfectly.  Time to report a bug.
>>
>>    
> James take a look at Bug #33095 at http://qa.mandriva.com/
>
> Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, changing splash=silent to splash=verbose.  It's not
> clear why this works - the bug seems to be flgrx crashing on the way out, so
> I don't see the connection - but several people have confirmed that it worked
> for them.
>
> Anne
>
>
>  

I run Suse 10.2 and have not seen this must be a Mandriva specific.
Changing video drivers is pretty generic.

Jim

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James Loughner wrote:

>>>> Just edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and make vesa the driver.
>>>>      
>>> OK, tried it, and proved the point.  The display was, frankly, awful, but
>>> the 'End Session' worked perfectly.  Time to report a bug.
>>>
>> James take a look at Bug #33095 at http://qa.mandriva.com/
>>
>> Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, changing splash=silent to splash=verbose.  It's not
>> clear why this works - the bug seems to be flgrx crashing on the way out, so
>> I don't see the connection - but several people have confirmed that it worked
>> for them.

Running Debian Etch Lenny/Sid here. Checked by menu.lst, and no trace of
a "splash=" anything in mine.

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[Anne Wilson-5]

On Saturday 09 February 2008 22:53:41 Art Edwards wrote:
> I just want to confirm that this fix seems to work for ubuntu running on
> a compaq laptop under KDM/KDE with an ati xpress 200m and the latest ATI
> proprietary driver. Prior to changing to verbose I could change users
> but I couldn't logout.

I think someone suggested that the reason it works is that it leaves the
loading of flgrx to later in the proceedings.

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[Anne Wilson-5]

On Sunday 10 February 2008 04:20:25 david wrote:

> James Loughner wrote:
> >>>> Just edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and make vesa the driver.
> >>>
> >>> OK, tried it, and proved the point.  The display was, frankly, awful,
> >>> but the 'End Session' worked perfectly.  Time to report a bug.
> >>
> >> James take a look at Bug #33095 at http://qa.mandriva.com/
> >>
> >> Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, changing splash=silent to splash=verbose.
> >> It's not clear why this works - the bug seems to be flgrx crashing on
> >> the way out, so I don't see the connection - but several people have
> >> confirmed that it worked for them.
>
> Running Debian Etch Lenny/Sid here. Checked by menu.lst, and no trace of
> a "splash=" anything in mine.

Do you have the problem?  We've identified that at least one version of SuSE
does.  If you do, try adding "splash=verbose" and see if it makes any
difference.

Anne


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Anne Wilson wrote:

> On Sunday 10 February 2008 04:20:25 david wrote:
>> James Loughner wrote:
>>>>>> Just edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and make vesa the driver.
>>>>> OK, tried it, and proved the point.  The display was, frankly, awful,
>>>>> but the 'End Session' worked perfectly.  Time to report a bug.
>>>> James take a look at Bug #33095 at http://qa.mandriva.com/
>>>>
>>>> Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, changing splash=silent to splash=verbose.
>>>> It's not clear why this works - the bug seems to be flgrx crashing on
>>>> the way out, so I don't see the connection - but several people have
>>>> confirmed that it worked for them.
>> Running Debian Etch Lenny/Sid here. Checked by menu.lst, and no trace of
>> a "splash=" anything in mine.
>
> Do you have the problem?  We've identified that at least one version of SuSE
> does.  If you do, try adding "splash=verbose" and see if it makes any
> difference.

I do have the problem. Where in menu.lst does "splash=verbose" go?

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> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 23:53:43 -1000
> From: gnome@...
> To: kde-linux@...
> Subject: Re: [kde-linux] 'End Session' problem
>
> Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Sunday 10 February 2008 04:20:25 david wrote:
> >> James Loughner wrote:
> >>>>>> Just edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and make vesa the driver.
> >>>>> OK, tried it, and proved the point. The display was, frankly, awful,
> >>>>> but the 'End Session' worked perfectly. Time to report a bug.
> >>>> James take a look at Bug #33095 at http://qa.mandriva.com/
> >>>>
> >>>> Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, changing splash=silent to splash=verbose.
> >>>> It's not clear why this works - the bug seems to be flgrx crashing on
> >>>> the way out, so I don't see the connection - but several people have
> >>>> confirmed that it worked for them.
> >> Running Debian Etch Lenny/Sid here. Checked by menu.lst, and no trace of
> >> a "splash=" anything in mine.
> >
> > Do you have the problem? We've identified that at least one version of SuSE
> > does. If you do, try adding "splash=verbose" and see if it makes any
> > difference.
>
> I do have the problem. Where in menu.lst does "splash=verbose" go?
>

Whew... couldn't look in my mailbox for a few days and didn't expect that the discussion would grow that way :)  However, I experience this problem (or bug?) with Fedora 8 and an NVIDIA (!) proprietaries, so I don't know if any of the solutions would work in my case. Are there maybe some "NVIDIA-specific" clues?

Thanks,

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On Sunday 10 February 2008 09:53:43 david wrote:

> Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Sunday 10 February 2008 04:20:25 david wrote:
> >> James Loughner wrote:
> >>>>>> Just edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and make vesa the driver.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> OK, tried it, and proved the point.  The display was, frankly, awful,
> >>>>> but the 'End Session' worked perfectly.  Time to report a bug.
> >>>>
> >>>> James take a look at Bug #33095 at http://qa.mandriva.com/
> >>>>
> >>>> Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, changing splash=silent to splash=verbose.
> >>>> It's not clear why this works - the bug seems to be flgrx crashing on
> >>>> the way out, so I don't see the connection - but several people have
> >>>> confirmed that it worked for them.
> >>
> >> Running Debian Etch Lenny/Sid here. Checked by menu.lst, and no trace of
> >> a "splash=" anything in mine.
> >
> > Do you have the problem?  We've identified that at least one version of
> > SuSE does.  If you do, try adding "splash=verbose" and see if it makes
> > any difference.
>
> I do have the problem. Where in menu.lst does "splash=verbose" go?

Here is a section from mine

title linux
kernel (hd0,4)/boot/vmlinuz-laptop BOOT_IMAGE=linux root=/dev/hda5
resume=/dev/hda6 splash=verbose vga=788
initrd (hd0,4)/boot/initrd-laptop.img

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On Sunday 10 February 2008 11:23:55 M K wrote:

> > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 23:53:43 -1000
> > From: gnome@...
> > To: kde-linux@...
> > Subject: Re: [kde-linux] 'End Session' problem
> >
> > Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > On Sunday 10 February 2008 04:20:25 david wrote:
> > >> James Loughner wrote:
> > >>>>>> Just edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and make vesa the driver.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> OK, tried it, and proved the point.  The display was, frankly,
> > >>>>> awful, but the 'End Session' worked perfectly.  Time to report a
> > >>>>> bug.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> James take a look at Bug #33095 at http://qa.mandriva.com/
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, changing splash=silent to splash=verbose.
> > >>>> It's not clear why this works - the bug seems to be flgrx crashing
> > >>>> on the way out, so I don't see the connection - but several people
> > >>>> have confirmed that it worked for them.
> > >>
> > >> Running Debian Etch Lenny/Sid here. Checked by menu.lst, and no trace
> > >> of a "splash=" anything in mine.
> > >
> > > Do you have the problem?  We've identified that at least one version of
> > > SuSE does.  If you do, try adding "splash=verbose" and see if it makes
> > > any difference.
> >
> > I do have the problem. Where in menu.lst does "splash=verbose" go?
>
> Whew... couldn't look in my mailbox for a few days and didn't expect that
> the discussion would grow that way :)  However, I experience this problem
> (or bug?) with Fedora 8 and an NVIDIA (!) proprietaries, so I don't know if
> any of the solutions would work in my case. Are there maybe some
> "NVIDIA-specific" clues?
>

Dunno - but trying the "splash=verbose" would do no harm, and you can always

take it out again if it doesn't help.

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> From: cannewilson@...
> To: gnome@...; kde-linux@...
> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:05:41 +0000
> Subject: Re: [kde-linux] 'End Session' problem
>
> On Sunday 10 February 2008 09:53:43 david wrote:
> > Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > On Sunday 10 February 2008 04:20:25 david wrote:
> > >> James Loughner wrote:
> > >>>>>> Just edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and make vesa the driver.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> OK, tried it, and proved the point. The display was, frankly, awful,
> > >>>>> but the 'End Session' worked perfectly. Time to report a bug.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> James take a look at Bug #33095 at http://qa.mandriva.com/
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, changing splash=silent to splash=verbose.
> > >>>> It's not clear why this works - the bug seems to be flgrx crashing on
> > >>>> the way out, so I don't see the connection - but several people have
> > >>>> confirmed that it worked for them.
> > >>
> > >> Running Debian Etch Lenny/Sid here. Checked by menu.lst, and no trace of
> > >> a "splash=" anything in mine.
> > >
> > > Do you have the problem? We've identified that at least one version of
> > > SuSE does. If you do, try adding "splash=verbose" and see if it makes
> > > any difference.
> >
> > I do have the problem. Where in menu.lst does "splash=verbose" go?
>
> Here is a section from mine
>
> title linux
> kernel (hd0,4)/boot/vmlinuz-laptop BOOT_IMAGE=linux root=/dev/hda5
> resume=/dev/hda6 splash=verbose vga=788
> initrd (hd0,4)/boot/initrd-laptop.img
>

So, now I tried to do it - the menu.lst is just a link to grub.conf, so I wrote it into grub.conf, too :-) Now, it looks like this:
=========================================================
# grub.conf generated by anaconda
#
# Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file
# NOTICE:  You do not have a /boot partition.  This means that
#          all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /, eg.
#          root (hd0,0)
#          kernel /boot/vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/sda1
#          initrd /boot/initrd-version.img
#boot=/dev/sda
default=0
timeout=5
splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz
hiddenmenu
password --md5 'CENSORED ;-)'
title Fedora (2.6.23.14-115.fc8)
        root (hd0,0)
        kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.23.14-115.fc8 ro root=LABEL=/ splash=verbose
        initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.23.14-115.fc8.img
title Fedora (2.6.23.1-42.fc8)
        root (hd0,0)
        kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.23.1-42.fc8 ro root=LABEL=/ splash=verbose
        initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.23.1-42.fc8.img
===========================================================
After that, I asked a few people to login and logout - at all, they repeated login/logout 13 times, and X didn't crash but bravely returned to the login screen.
But it already didn't crash so many times before... "Time will show" (c)



btw, when we're at the point as well - is there maybe something wrong in this xorg.conf?
===========================================================
# XFree86 4 configuration created by pyxf86config

Section "ServerLayout"
        Identifier     "Default Layout"
        Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0
        InputDevice    "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
        InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Section "Files"
# RgbPath is the location of the RGB database.  Note, this is the name of the
# file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db").  There is normally
# no need to change the default.

# Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together)
# By default, Red Hat 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of
# the X server to render fonts.

        RgbPath      "/usr/share/X11/rgb"
        FontPath     "/usr/share/X11/fonts"  # unix:7100 doesn't work any more, no idea why...
EndSection

Section "Module"
        Load  "dbe"
        Load  "extmod"
        Load  "fbdevhw"
        Load  "glx"
        Load  "record"
        Load  "freetype"
        Load  "type1"
        Load  "dri"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
# Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1))
#       Option  "Xleds"         "1 2 3"

# To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable.
#       Option  "XkbDisable"

# To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the
# lines below (which are the defaults).  For example, for a non-U.S.
# keyboard, you will probably want to use:
#       Option  "XkbModel"      "pc102"
# If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use:
#       Option  "XkbModel"      "microsoft"
#
# Then to change the language, change the Layout setting.
# For example, a german layout can be obtained with:
#       Option  "XkbLayout"     "de"
# or:
#       Option  "XkbLayout"     "de"
#       Option  "XkbVariant"    "nodeadkeys"
#
# If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and
# control keys, use:
#       Option  "XkbOptions"    "ctrl:swapcaps"
# Or if you just want both to be control, use:
#       Option  "XkbOptions"    "ctrl:nocaps"
#
        Identifier  "Keyboard0"
        Driver      "kbd"
        Option      "XkbModel" "pc105"
        Option      "XkbLayout" "de"
        Option      "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
        Identifier  "Mouse0"
        Driver      "mouse"
        Option      "Protocol" "IMPS/2"
        Option      "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
        Option      "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
        Option      "Emulate3Buttons" "yes"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
        Identifier   "Monitor0"
        VendorName   "Monitor Vendor"
        ModelName    "Unprobed Monitor"
        HorizSync    31.5 - 97.9
        VertRefresh  50.0 - 70.0
        Option      "dpms"
EndSection

Section "Device"
        Identifier  "Videocard0"
        Driver      "nvidia"
        VendorName  "Videocard vendor"
        BoardName   "NVIDIA Quadro FX 540"
        Option "RenderAccel" "True"
        Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
        Option "backingstore" "true"
        Option "TripleBuffer" "true"
        Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
        Identifier "Screen0"
        Device     "Videocard0"
        Monitor    "Monitor0"
        DefaultDepth     24
        SubSection "Display"
                Viewport   0 0
                Depth     24
                Modes    "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
        EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "DRI"
        Group        0
        Mode         0666
EndSection
===========================================================

I would really appreciate if there really were something wrong... (The graphic card is an "VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G72 [GeForce 7300 LE] (rev a1)" (source: lspci)). Is this maybe what's wrong?

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On Tuesday 12 February 2008 12:01:38 M K wrote:
> I would really appreciate if there really were something wrong... (The
> graphic card is an "VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G72
> [GeForce 7300 LE] (rev a1)" (source: lspci)). Is this maybe what's wrong?

I don't know the answer, but from what I have read, it seems that forcing
the "splash=verbose" makes the driver load later in the sequence.  It looks
as though loading too early was what caused the problem.  As you say, time
will tell.

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Anne Wilson wrote:

> On Sunday 10 February 2008 09:53:43 david wrote:
>> Anne Wilson wrote:
>>> On Sunday 10 February 2008 04:20:25 david wrote:
>>>> James Loughner wrote:
>>>>>>>> Just edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and make vesa the driver.
>>>>>>> OK, tried it, and proved the point.  The display was, frankly, awful,
>>>>>>> but the 'End Session' worked perfectly.  Time to report a bug.
>>>>>> James take a look at Bug #33095 at http://qa.mandriva.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, changing splash=silent to splash=verbose.
>>>>>> It's not clear why this works - the bug seems to be flgrx crashing on
>>>>>> the way out, so I don't see the connection - but several people have
>>>>>> confirmed that it worked for them.
>>>> Running Debian Etch Lenny/Sid here. Checked by menu.lst, and no trace of
>>>> a "splash=" anything in mine.
>>> Do you have the problem?  We've identified that at least one version of
>>> SuSE does.  If you do, try adding "splash=verbose" and see if it makes
>>> any difference.
>> I do have the problem. Where in menu.lst does "splash=verbose" go?
>
> Here is a section from mine
>
> title linux
> kernel (hd0,4)/boot/vmlinuz-laptop BOOT_IMAGE=linux root=/dev/hda5
> resume=/dev/hda6 splash=verbose vga=788
> initrd (hd0,4)/boot/initrd-laptop.img

Thanks, Anne. I added it to my menu.lst and the black screen problem
seems to have gone away.

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