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(amb) laptop wanted
hi all,
i've had the same computer for a decade. and it's a desktop, an hp 2001 pavillion that's noticeably on its way out.
i'm not in the most plentiful financial state at the moment, and if i could somehow maintain my workflow and easily over 15000 audio files alone, it would be a godsend.
so if anyone has a spare laptop they dont use because its slightly slow or something trivial, i'll give it a home. i'll fix it and i'll pay shipping + $50 so i dont completely shuck it off whoever.
i'm sorry this is more a classifieds post than a discussion thread, but PM me if you got one.
derek
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Hello lovelies...
I have been working on my first CD of original music. I have released dj mix cds in the past, but this is my first attempt and something original. This album is a collection of live pieces I have done over the year, hacked up and re-molded into a long 70 minute journey.
My question is this:
I want to keep the piece as ONE seamless track, but I know how people listen to music these days and fear that this may not be wise. What is your preference? Some of Namlook's "environmental ambient" pieces are cut up into tracks, but I never liked that. I always thought he should have kept them as one track. Is it more accessible to have ten 7 minute tracks, or is one track OK? The last thing I want is the piece listened to as individual tracks.
thoughts???
thank you!
dj bridget
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Tracks. 70 interruption-free minutes would be nice, but can never be counted on, at least not in my world. Most players (digital and hardware) I've used don't pause between tracks, so if you can listen all the way through in one go, it still sounds seamless.
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Bridget Selavie <djbridget@...> wrote:
Hello lovelies...
I have been working on my first CD of original music. I have released dj mix cds in the past, but this is my first attempt and something original. This album is a collection of live pieces I have done over the year, hacked up and re-molded into a long 70 minute journey.
My question is this:
I want to keep the piece as ONE seamless track, but I know how people listen to music these days and fear that this may not be wise. What is your preference? Some of Namlook's "environmental ambient" pieces are cut up into tracks, but I never liked that. I always thought he should have kept them as one track. Is it more accessible to have ten 7 minute tracks, or is one track OK? The last thing I want is the piece listened to as individual tracks.
thoughts???
thank you!
dj bridget
-- Wendy Branson (Cloudy Grey) Wednesday 10-midnight EST >> www.wxdu.org
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Just my 2 cents...
People will listen by track if you make multiple tracks. You can't avoid it. I would recommend one track.
Do CD players still identify index points in the track? Do people still listen on CD players?
The odds are someone will rip it and listen on a hard drive or iPod, and they are free to cut up the music as they see fit. Don't make it any easier for them. (=
Dave On Nov 2, 2009, at 12:29 PM, Bridget Selavie wrote: Hello lovelies... I have been working on my first CD of original music. I have released dj mix cds in the past, but this is my first attempt and something original. This album is a collection of live pieces I have done over the year, hacked up and re-molded into a long 70 minute journey. My question is this: I want to keep the piece as ONE seamless track, but I know how people listen to music these days and fear that this may not be wise. What is your preference? Some of Namlook's "environmental ambient" pieces are cut up into tracks, but I never liked that. I always thought he should have kept them as one track. Is it more accessible to have ten 7 minute tracks, or is one track OK? The last thing I want is the piece listened to as individual tracks. thoughts??? thank you! dj bridget
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> I want to keep the piece as ONE seamless track, but I know how
> people listen to music these days and fear that this may not be
> wise. What is your preference? Some of Namlook's "environmental
> ambient" pieces are cut up into tracks, but I never liked that. I
> always thought he should have kept them as one track. Is it more
> accessible to have ten 7 minute tracks, or is one track OK? The
> last thing I want is the piece listened to as individual tracks.
I did a CD where each track flowed into the next, but each track was
obviously a separate thing, so it made sense to put track markers.
Pat Metheny's "The Way Up" CD is one continuous piece of music, but
they put track markers in three spots so that it would be easier for
people to get to a spot if they only wanted to listen to part of it.
This seems like a nice compromise. I've owned a couple CDs that were
one continuous piece of music, and it was kind of annoying. I'm a firm
believer that art should be experienced the way the author intended,
but having to press the FFWD button for a minute to get to a spot near
the end of a CD is really annoying.
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I always listen to complete albums in one go (with the exception of
tuning into the drone zone). However, I do prefer it if a CD or album
is released in individual tracks anyway... I like having track names,
and I like being able to do something about it if my !$&*ing shoddy
CD player starts skipping.
cheers
Rob
Bridget Selavie wrote:
Hello lovelies...
I have been working on my first CD of original music. I have
released dj mix cds in the past, but this is my first attempt and
something original. This album is a collection of live pieces I have
done over the year, hacked up and re-molded into a long 70 minute
journey.
My question is this:
I want to keep the piece as ONE seamless track, but I know how
people listen to music these days and fear that this may not be wise.
What is your preference? Some of Namlook's "environmental ambient"
pieces are cut up into tracks, but I never liked that. I always
thought he should have kept them as one track. Is it more accessible
to have ten 7 minute tracks, or is one track OK? The last thing I want
is the piece listened to as individual tracks.
thoughts???
thank you!
dj bridget
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If YOU intend for it to be listened to as a long-form, then mix it as one track, Perhaps with one title. Within the liner notes you could separate 'movements' within the music with timing points. If you put markers in, not everyone will hear it as you intend for it to be heard. If you are willing to make this compromise, track it out ;-)
I'd like to think that when an album is tracked out, but the music is mixed together, most folks will listen to it the obvious way it was intended to be heard...at least once before it hits the ipod in shuffle mode! But, as Dave pointed out, that simply isn't going to happen, so it's up to you as the artist to decide the delivery.
IMO... ~Darren On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Rob Chant <rob@...> wrote:
I always listen to complete albums in one go (with the exception of
tuning into the drone zone). However, I do prefer it if a CD or album
is released in individual tracks anyway... I like having track names,
and I like being able to do something about it if my !$&*ing shoddy
CD player starts skipping.
cheers
Rob
Bridget Selavie wrote:
Hello lovelies...
I have been working on my first CD of original music. I have
released dj mix cds in the past, but this is my first attempt and
something original. This album is a collection of live pieces I have
done over the year, hacked up and re-molded into a long 70 minute
journey.
My question is this:
I want to keep the piece as ONE seamless track, but I know how
people listen to music these days and fear that this may not be wise.
What is your preference? Some of Namlook's "environmental ambient"
pieces are cut up into tracks, but I never liked that. I always
thought he should have kept them as one track. Is it more accessible
to have ten 7 minute tracks, or is one track OK? The last thing I want
is the piece listened to as individual tracks.
thoughts???
thank you!
dj bridget
-- "Any act, if in accordance with the Will, is an act of Magick" metameme.orghttp://darrenjh.blogspot.com/
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My initial reaction is, "it depends". If the work is clearly one 70 minute long, meandering track...then one track it is. If there are spaces with clear shifts in the sonic landscape, then perhaps put track markers there so listeners can jump to a favorite area. But, basically, don't force a track structure where none exists. I have no problem with 60+ minute mixes or singular works. Most players have the option of removing pause spaces between tracks, and digital players generally have the ability to drag the player to a specific playback point... 6 to one, half a dozen the other. - Tim
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:29:43 -0800 From: djbridget@...To: ambient@...Subject: (amb) tracks or no tracks?
Hello lovelies...
I have been working on my first CD of original music. I have released dj mix cds in the past, but this is my first attempt and something original. This album is a collection of live pieces I have done over the year, hacked up and re-molded into a long 70 minute journey.
My question is this:
I want to keep the piece as ONE seamless track, but I know how people listen to music these days and fear that this may not be wise. What is your preference? Some of Namlook's "environmental ambient" pieces are cut up into tracks, but I never liked that. I always thought he should have kept them as one track. Is it more accessible to have ten 7 minute tracks, or is one track OK? The last thing I want is the piece listened to as individual tracks.
thoughts???
thank you!
dj bridget
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I've struggled with this issue myself. For a while, I was releasing single 40-60 min tracks because that is how they were improvised and recorded. I feel there is definitely something to be said for maintaining an artists vision of an art piece. And for these extended "recorded live" improvisations, part of the artpiece is its development as a singular work that shouldn't be artificially isolated.
However, that said... even though there are not a whole lot of ambient/experimental/"weird music" radioshows or webstreams out there, those that do exist would be less likely to play a single hour-long piece. I have played hour-long longform ambient pieces on my own show (on n0theen) only a few times. Anymore, though, I am less likely to play tracks too much more than 30
mins long.
I guess to summarize, while I understand and appreciate longform ambient, I'd say that editting to shorter tracks helps one to get ones music played. If you don't care about having people play your music, then do what you want.
j
From: Tim V <tvasilovic@...>
To: Ambient List <ambient@...>
Sent: Mon, November 2, 2009 2:14:17 PM
Subject: RE: (amb) tracks or no tracks?
My initial reaction is, "it depends". If the work is clearly one 70 minute long, meandering track...then one track it is. If there are spaces with clear shifts in the sonic landscape, then perhaps put track markers there so listeners can jump to a favorite area. But, basically, don't force a track structure where none exists. I have no problem with 60+ minute mixes or singular works. Most players have the option of removing pause spaces between tracks, and digital players generally have the ability to drag the player to a specific playback point... 6 to one, half a dozen the other. - Tim
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:29:43 -0800 From: djbridget@...To: ambient@...Subject: (amb) tracks or no tracks?
Hello lovelies...
I have been working on my first CD of original music. I have released dj mix cds in the past, but this is my first attempt and something original. This album is a collection of live pieces I have done over the year, hacked up and re-molded into a long 70 minute journey.
My question is this:
I want to keep the piece as ONE seamless track, but I know how people listen to music these days and fear that this may not be wise. What is your preference? Some of Namlook's "environmental ambient" pieces are cut up into tracks, but I never liked that. I always thought he should have kept them as one track. Is it more accessible to have ten 7 minute tracks, or is one track OK? The last thing I want is the piece listened to as individual tracks.
thoughts???
thank you!
dj bridget
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I seem to remember an indexing feature in the early days
of the CD. I think it was mainly used on Classical works (e.g., while complete
pieces, such as a concerto for example, would make up a track, the individual
movements would be indexed). Although I never actually owned an indexed CD, I
always thought it was an interesting feature (especially if one wanted to
perhaps randomize track play in a CD changer). As for dj bridget's conundrum, I
would probably go the track route simply for accessibility reasons.
Cheers,
Steve
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Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 2:29
PM
Subject: (amb) tracks or no tracks?
Hello lovelies...
I have been working on my first CD of original music. I have
released dj mix cds in the past, but this is my first attempt and something
original. This album is a collection of live pieces I have done over the
year, hacked up and re-molded into a long 70 minute journey.
My question is this:
I want to keep the piece as ONE seamless track, but I know how people
listen to music these days and fear that this may not be wise. What is
your preference? Some of Namlook's "environmental ambient" pieces are
cut up into tracks, but I never liked that. I always thought he should
have kept them as one track. Is it more accessible to have ten 7 minute
tracks, or is one track OK? The last thing I want is the piece listened
to as individual tracks.
thoughts???
thank you!
dj bridget
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Just to add another slight variation. My last 3 albums have
essentially been made up of 8 to 10 tracks mixed down to a 60+ minute
single track with track markers. I've gone for the separate track
method partly for radio station accessibility. Though with my Sacred
Black album I actually supplied an extra disc (cd-r) for radio
programs that had the tracks separated out.
You could also just use indexing but that said few CD players will
skip when it comes to track changes though my DVD player which is
used in my lounge room glitches at track changes.
As for the portable media market I don't think there is a way of
ripping a whole album and placing some sort of marker with the file
to denote a track change without simply ripping the tracks
individually. Though I could be mistaken.
Hope this helps,
Steve Roberts - Amongst Myselves
At 05:59 AM 3/11/2009, you wrote:
>Hello lovelies...
>
>I have been working on my first CD of original music. I have
>released dj mix cds in the past, but this is my first attempt and
>something original. This album is a collection of live pieces I
>have done over the year, hacked up and re-molded into a long 70 minute journey.
>
>My question is this:
>
>I want to keep the piece as ONE seamless track, but I know how
>people listen to music these days and fear that this may not be
>wise. What is your preference? Some of Namlook's "environmental
>ambient" pieces are cut up into tracks, but I never liked that. I
>always thought he should have kept them as one track. Is it more
>accessible to have ten 7 minute tracks, or is one track OK? The
>last thing I want is the piece listened to as individual tracks.
>
>thoughts???
>
>thank you!
>
>dj bridget
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Hi DJ Bridget, I have been asking myself the same question. I started looking into solutions earlier this month. If you are software based, or are fine with putting your music to disc, check out "Wave Editor" by Audiofile Engineering. http://www.audiofile-engineering.com/waveeditor/
This program is a simple mastering / burning solution that allows you to insert CD track points (and other various markers) wherever you would like. Then, you can have track markers that you can't "hear" if you choose to listen beginning to end. There is a nice 15 day fully-functioning trial, so take a look. I believe the full purchase price is $79. I haven't finished mastering my disc yet, but so far I've only had good results.
Hope this helps. Good luck finishing that disc. Finishing is tough! Mark Preston On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Amongst Myselves <lists@...> wrote:
Just to add another slight variation. My last 3 albums have essentially been made up of 8 to 10 tracks mixed down to a 60+ minute single track with track markers. I've gone for the separate track method partly for radio station accessibility. Though with my Sacred Black album I actually supplied an extra disc (cd-r) for radio programs that had the tracks separated out.
You could also just use indexing but that said few CD players will skip when it comes to track changes though my DVD player which is used in my lounge room glitches at track changes.
As for the portable media market I don't think there is a way of ripping a whole album and placing some sort of marker with the file to denote a track change without simply ripping the tracks individually. Though I could be mistaken.
Hope this helps,
Steve Roberts - Amongst Myselves
At 05:59 AM 3/11/2009, you wrote:
Hello lovelies...
I have been working on my first CD of original music. I have released dj mix cds in the past, but this is my first attempt and something original. This album is a collection of live pieces I have done over the year, hacked up and re-molded into a long 70 minute journey.
My question is this:
I want to keep the piece as ONE seamless track, but I know how people listen to music these days and fear that this may not be wise. What is your preference? Some of Namlook's "environmental ambient" pieces are cut up into tracks, but I never liked that. I always thought he should have kept them as one track. Is it more accessible to have ten 7 minute tracks, or is one track OK? The last thing I want is the piece listened to as individual tracks.
thoughts???
thank you!
dj bridget
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Message
If you
want to encourage radio airplay, either use separate tracks, or send out a
special promo recording that specifically divides things up into
tracks.
Radio
programmers hate dealing with 1-track albums.
Regards,
George
Cruickshank
Ultima
Thule Ambient Music
Hi DJ Bridget,
I have been asking myself
the same question. I started looking into solutions earlier this
month.
If you are software based, or are fine with putting your music
to disc, check out "Wave Editor" by Audiofile Engineering. http://www.audiofile-engineering.com/waveeditor/
This
program is a simple mastering / burning solution that allows you to insert CD
track points (and other various markers) wherever you would like. Then,
you can have track markers that you can't "hear" if you choose to listen
beginning to end. There is a nice 15 day fully-functioning trial, so
take a look. I believe the full purchase price is $79. I haven't
finished mastering my disc yet, but so far I've only had good
results.
Hope this helps. Good luck finishing that disc.
Finishing is tough!
Mark Preston
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Amongst Myselves <lists@...>
wrote:
Just to add another slight variation. My last 3 albums
have essentially been made up of 8 to 10 tracks mixed down to a 60+ minute
single track with track markers. I've gone for the separate track method
partly for radio station accessibility. Though with my Sacred Black album I
actually supplied an extra disc (cd-r) for radio programs that had the
tracks separated out.
You could also just use indexing but that said
few CD players will skip when it comes to track changes though my DVD player
which is used in my lounge room glitches at track changes.
As for the
portable media market I don't think there is a way of ripping a whole album
and placing some sort of marker with the file to denote a track change
without simply ripping the tracks individually. Though I could be
mistaken.
Hope this helps,
Steve Roberts - Amongst Myselves
At 05:59 AM 3/11/2009, you wrote:
Hello lovelies...
I have been working on my first
CD of original music. I have released dj mix cds in the past, but
this is my first attempt and something original. This album is a
collection of live pieces I have done over the year, hacked up and
re-molded into a long 70 minute journey.
My question is
this:
I want to keep the piece as ONE seamless track, but I know
how people listen to music these days and fear that this may not be wise.
What is your preference? Some of Namlook's "environmental
ambient" pieces are cut up into tracks, but I never liked that. I
always thought he should have kept them as one track. Is it more
accessible to have ten 7 minute tracks, or is one track OK? The last
thing I want is the piece listened to as individual
tracks.
thoughts???
thank you!
dj
bridget
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A common burning programme like Nero can add track markers in the burning
process (at least some versions). As long as the music is mixed seamlessly
together, the track markers wont be heard or noticed, but they'll work in CD
players.
Greetings from Glenn Folkvord
Chief editor
http://www.PlanetOrigo.comhttp://twitter.com/planetorigoSci-fi movies | Electronic music
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there was a time awhile back where i would have said, go ahead and
break it up in 10 min increments, but these days, thinking about the
listener, and the widespread use of mp3 players, iPods and the like...
i would keep things as 1 track. namely because many of these
"players" have a problem (still) with gapless playback. in addition,
i know that iPods have a feature you can use for long tracks to
"remember playback position" so if it's the kind of thing where you
listen to 1/2 the thing, listen to something else, then come back, you
can return to where you left off by utilizing this feature.
just a thought.
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Dark Duck Records
[Ambient and Otherwise] | http://www.darkduck.netAmbient Poetry
http://www.ambientpoetry.comKite Radio, tune in, drone on, chill out
http://www.kite-radio.com
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I'd say go with how YOU think it should be heard. If you're ok with it broken up, go for it. If you created one piece and think it should truly be listened to whole, then take the approach David Lynch takes with his movies when they release on DVD - no chapters...just the movie (or piece in your case) beginning to end. And as someone suggested, if you're sending it out for radio play, make the concession and break it up on a CD-R specifically for the station. But that just, like, my opinion man. Dave Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:29:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: (amb) tracks or no tracks?
Hello lovelies...
I have been working on my first CD of original music. I have released dj mix cds in the past, but this is my first attempt and something original. This album is a collection of live pieces I have done over the year, hacked up and re-molded into a long 70 minute journey.
My question is this:
I want to keep the piece as ONE seamless track, but I know how people listen to music these days and fear that this may not be wise. What is your preference? Some of Namlook's "environmental ambient" pieces are cut up into tracks, but I never liked that. I always thought he should have kept them as one track. Is it more accessible to have ten 7 minute tracks, or is one track OK? The last thing I want is the piece listened to as individual tracks.
thoughts???
thank you!
dj bridget
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My two cents are this. If it really is one long form track then keep it as such. With my iPod I love having uninterrupted music and it can break the flow if something jumps because I forgot to take of the shuffle feature.
If its more of a mix then have it as individual tracks with no space between them. Dave On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Bridget Selavie <djbridget@...> wrote:
Hello lovelies...
I have been working on my first CD of original music. I have released dj mix cds in the past, but this is my first attempt and something original. This album is a collection of live pieces I have done over the year, hacked up and re-molded into a long 70 minute journey.
My question is this:
I want to keep the piece as ONE seamless track, but I know how people listen to music these days and fear that this may not be wise. What is your preference? Some of Namlook's "environmental ambient" pieces are cut up into tracks, but I never liked that. I always thought he should have kept them as one track. Is it more accessible to have ten 7 minute tracks, or is one track OK? The last thing I want is the piece listened to as individual tracks.
thoughts???
thank you!
dj bridget
-- ------------------------------------------------ David Mead ------------------------------------------------ http://www.davidjohnmead.com
http://www.dmwebsites.comhttp://www.refreshcleveland.org
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Bridget Selavie wrote:
> I want to keep the piece as ONE seamless track, but I know how people
> listen to music these days and fear that this may not be wise. What
> is your preference? Some of Namlook's "environmental ambient" pieces
> are cut up into tracks, but I never liked that. I always thought he
> should have kept them as one track. Is it more accessible to have ten
> 7 minute tracks, or is one track OK? The last thing I want is the
> piece listened to as individual tracks. thoughts???
Hi Bridget,
As the host of three radio shows, I would recommend placing markers at
key points in the track and burn the CD with 0 (zero) seconds between
tracks. This gives you the best of both worlds. The home listener may
listen to uninterrupted music. At the same time, this enables radio
shows to play portions without having to start at the beginning and hold
down the >> button for minutes at a time in order to play music from the
interior of the piece. Few, if any shows can actually play the entire
70 minutes in one sitting, making individual tracks a must. We can fade
in/out at appropriate times if we can get to the key transition points
easily.
I have been advocating this for years and have been very vocal about
it. I am almost surprised that the question still gets asked. However,
I realize that unless this topic was of interest to you when I sounded
off on the topic, you probably ignored the post since it wasn't
significant to you at the time. I'm exactly the same way!
Cheers,
Bill
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I have 1 or 2 copies of each left, which I'm keeping ... however, let me
contact musiczeit and see if they can be of help regarding getting these
on line. I'd rather do it that way than just have some mp3 copies wind
up on some download sites.
I'll post something regarding this in a day or two.
I'm glad there is still some occasional interest in this project.
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