(job) Re: confusion

[Ria Smit]

You could try working on an "F" visa.
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You cannot work and receive regular pay when you are here on an F
visa.  I have overcome it by "tutoring" in my home.  The law says up
to 10 students at a time "in your own home" does not need
registration.  Neither can you employ another teacher.

I enrol for a year and put the money in a separate account from which
I withdraw money as I have taught the lessons.  Currently I have 46
primary school children in 5 classes and I teach them all twice a
week, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday evenings and all day Saturday.  My
income is about equal to what I would get in a school but of course I
have to pay rent.  But it is nice to be free to do things my way.

May be difficult if you are new in China.  I have a long and good
reputation in my area and regularly have to send away extra students.

Side benefits: 46 pairs of parents willing to help me with whatever
need I have.  Currently they have organized all the renovations of the
flat that I have to move into and saved me all the hassles of dealing
with the workers and negotiating the costs.

Ria
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Ria Smit, Zhengzhou, China
Phone:[phone]
Mobile: [phone]
SKYPE: riacalling
www.yellowwattleenglish.com
www.betterphoto.com?englishteacherinchina
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Why is it that our memory is good enough to retain the least
triviality that happens to us,
and yet not good enough to recollect how often we have told it to the
same person?
                            -- Francois de La Rochefoucauld  (1613-1680)

[Calum Sutherland]

I always think "cannot" is a very strong word.
 
Calum Sutherland

"I dare do all that may become a man,
who dares do more is none"

--- On Sat, 10/31/09, Ria Smit <tryria@...> wrote:


From: Ria Smit <tryria@...>
Subject: (job) Re: confusion
To: TEFLChinaJob@...
Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 4:22 AM


You could try working on an "F" visa.
--------------
You cannot work and receive regular pay when you are here on an F
visa.  I have overcome it by "tutoring" in my home.  The law says up
to 10 students at a time "in your own home" does not need
registration.  Neither can you employ another teacher.

I enrol for a year and put the money in a separate account from which
I withdraw money as I have taught the lessons.  Currently I have 46
primary school children in 5 classes and I teach them all twice a
week, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday evenings and all day Saturday.  My
income is about equal to what I would get in a school but of course I
have to pay rent.  But it is nice to be free to do things my way.

May be difficult if you are new in China.  I have a long and good
reputation in my area and regularly have to send away extra students.

Side benefits: 46 pairs of parents willing to help me with whatever
need I have.  Currently they have organized all the renovations of the
flat that I have to move into and saved me all the hassles of dealing
with the workers and negotiating the costs.

Ria
--------------
Ria Smit, Zhengzhou, China
Phone:[phone]
Mobile: [phone]
SKYPE: riacalling
www.yellowwattleenglish.com
www.betterphoto.com?englishteacherinchina
***********************************
Why is it that our memory is good enough to retain the least
triviality that happens to us,
and yet not good enough to recollect how often we have told it to the
same person?
                            -- Francois de La Rochefoucauld  (1613-1680)


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[Weedy Tan]

Hi Ria,

Just curious. Aren't you technically doing business already by enrolling the students for a year and taking tuition and spending them as they become due and compensated for?

Will it not be easier to just put up an English learning center legally as a business and apply for a permanent residency?

Anybody else that can input some ideas on the feasibility of putting up an English learning center in China and what it entails?

Thanks,
Weedy





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From: Ria Smit <tryria@...>
To: TEFLChinaJob@...
Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 7:22:43 PM
Subject: (job) Re: confusion

 
You could try working on an "F" visa.
------------ --
You cannot work and receive regular pay when you are here on an F
visa.  I have overcome it by "tutoring" in my home.  The law says up
to 10 students at a time "in your own home" does not need
registration.  Neither can you employ another teacher.

I enrol for a year and put the money in a separate account from which
I withdraw money as I have taught the lessons.  Currently I have 46
primary school children in 5 classes and I teach them all twice a
week, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday evenings and all day Saturday.  My
income is about equal to what I would get in a school but of course I
have to pay rent.  But it is nice to be free to do things my way.

May be difficult if you are new in China.  I have a long and good
reputation in my area and regularly have to send away extra students.

Side benefits: 46 pairs of parents willing to help me with whatever
need I have.  Currently they have organized all the renovations of the
flat that I have to move into and saved me all the hassles of dealing
with the workers and negotiating the costs.

Ria


     

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[sewbirdchina]

> --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Ria Smit <tryria@...> wrote:

> You cannot work and receive regular pay when you are here on an F
> visa.  I have overcome it by "tutoring" in my home. 

Just for the record, last year my husband and I worked at top ranking university on a Fall semester contract, with an F visa. It was issued to us by the Chinese Consulate here in the US from an application accompanied by an official Chinese invitation to teach.

Why? I don't know and we weren't pleased because an F visa is a single entry visa which meant our plans for National Holiday had to be dropped.

Nancy, US

[Bishop Johnson]

It's a pity no one at the Embassy suggested or offered a **6-month** multiple entry F visa ... mate of mine just got one within the past 2 weeks, but in Hong Kong

KTF
RAY

--- In TEFLChinaJob@..., "sewbirdchina" <sewbirdchina@...> wrote:
>
>
> Why? I don't know and we weren't pleased because an F visa is a single entry visa which meant our plans for National Holiday had to be dropped.
>
> Nancy, US
>

[Don williamson-2]

Nancy...I think we discussed this before and I'm still puzzled?
 
1) Did your Visa application to the Chinese Consulate here in the U.S. specify "Z" visa request?
 
2) Did you have the three documents attached ?  Invite letter, PSB form and the presumed third one issued by the Prov. Ministery of Edc? I have never figured out the latter but it seemed our Univ. had no problem in getting these.
 
As a side note to other listers: If you come to teach in China on one of the 'Camp Programs,'  You would do so on an "F" visa and only the invite letter is needed. In this case you don't recieve official work salary nor need open a bank account but rather are paid a cash stipend. Also, we came on an "L" visa for these programs when pre-post touring was set up as part of the deal. This was all handled by an agent here in the U.S.

But...as we all know...things change with time and place.

Don 

--- On Mon, 11/2/09, sewbirdchina <sewbirdchina@...> wrote:
 
> --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Ria Smit <tryria@...> wrote:

> You cannot work and receive regular pay when you are here on an F
> visa.  I have overcome it by "tutoring" in my home. 

Just for the record, last year my husband and I worked at top ranking university on a Fall semester contract, with an F visa. It was issued to us by the Chinese Consulate here in the US from an application accompanied by an official Chinese invitation to teach.

Why? I don't know and we weren't pleased because an F visa is a single entry visa which meant our plans for National Holiday had to be dropped.

Nancy, US

















     

[sewbirdchina]

I'm still puzzled as well Don and frankly don't remember if I had all three of the documents that you listed. We had documents sent to us and at that point were told to go ahead and apply for the visa. And yes, we requested Z.

Nancy, US

--- In TEFLChinaJob@..., Don williamson <willdon13@...> wrote:
>
> Nancy...I think we discussed this before and I'm still puzzled?
>  
> 1) Did your Visa application to the Chinese Consulate here in the U.S. specify "Z" visa request?
>  
> 2) Did you have the three documents attached ?  Invite letter, PSB form and the presumed third one issued by the Prov. Ministery of Edc? I have never figured out the latter but it seemed our Univ. had no problem in getting these.
>  

[Leslie Warren]

OK.. at the end of the day it is still ILLEGAL to work as a teacher on "F" visa. The may have let you work for them, but you can bet they paid some one off.

Here in Shanghai the rules  have changed for expert certifice. Had a teacher who had taught in China 3 years ago, went back home, then wanted to return.. if they showed their Chinese work experience here, they had to have a letter of release from former employer and Residency permit.  They could not get realese letter. Got rejected.. rules in Shanghai change at the drop of a hat..
NOW if no TEFL, must have 2 years of full time CONTINIUOS teaching experience in a structured school.. no part-time, no tutoring, no F visa experience counts..

The gov is also cracking down on schools that attempt to hire F visa teachers.. fine the school up to 50, 000 RMB, fine the teacher  5000 and ask them to leave within 10 days.. no detention time.. 2nd offence for teacher... house of detention.. 10 days.. go home.. no coming back to china 5 years..
Leslie Warren
JX Learning
China

--- On Wed, 11/4/09, sewbirdchina <sewbirdchina@...> wrote:
From: sewbirdchina <sewbirdchina@...>
Subject: (job) Re: confusion
To: TEFLChinaJob@...
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 5:31 PM

I'm still puzzled as well Don and frankly don't remember if I had all three of the documents that you listed. We had documents sent to us and at that point were told to go ahead and apply for the visa. And yes, we requested Z.

Nancy, US

--- In TEFLChinaJob@ yahoogroups. com, Don williamson <willdon13@. ..> wrote:
>
> Nancy...I think we discussed this before and I'm still puzzled?
>  
> 1) Did your Visa application to the Chinese Consulate here in the U.S. specify "Z" visa request?
>  
> 2) Did you have the three documents attached ?  Invite letter, PSB form and the presumed third one issued by the Prov. Ministery of Edc? I have never figured out the latter but it seemed our Univ. had no problem in getting these.