(job) Teaching over 60

[Ria Smit]

What you can expect to get will depend on what you have to offer.

Have you taught before? If so, for how long and what age groups?
Have you taught English to foreigners?
Do you have experience in business?

There is a tremendous market for teaching English children in China,
but I have no first hand experience with it.
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Tim, I taught in China fro 15 years and when the FAO in our province
refused to issue the papers because "she is too old", then there was
no way, even though three schools wanted to employ me.  One is still
trying.

I now teach children at home and love what I am doing.  It gives me
enough income, equal to a government school if you take into account
that I have to pay for my own rent.

Ria
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Ria Smit, Zhengzhou, China
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[Sandy Harris]

Ria writes:

>  Tim, I taught in China fro 15 years and when the FAO in our province
>  refused to issue the papers because "she is too old", then there was
>  no way, even though three schools wanted to employ me.  One is still
>  trying.

How does this vary by province? The no residence permit over 60 is,
I think, policy from Beijing, but each province gets to interpret.

Ria is in Henan. Others on the list have reported that Guangdong
is quite strict; at least one school has told older teachers they'll
have to go.

Here in Fujian, schools seem to have no problem getting visas
for returning teachers, but two schools have told me the PSB
refuses to issue them for new hires over 60.

A friend who is about 70 and moved from Zhejiang to Jiangsu
this year says the issue was never raised in either place.
The school and the PSB both saw his passport, so they
knew his age, but it just was not a problem.

Can anyone chime in about other provinces? Has anyone
got something different to report for the ones I mention?

[sewbirdchina]

> How does this vary by province? The no residence permit over 60 is,
> I think, policy from Beijing, but each province gets to interpret.

> Can anyone chime in about other provinces? Has anyone
> got something different to report for the ones I mention?

Hebei Province will not issue over age 60 ... either for former teachers like ourselves or newbies with extremely high experience and qualifications. The latter was a case and point last year with a teacher the university wanted for a position needed filling.

Hubei Province has some universities hiring over age 70.

Nancy, US

[Vicki Steven]

--- In TEFLChinaJob@..., Sandy Harris <sandyinchina@...> wrote:

> Can anyone chime in about other provinces? Has anyone
> got something different to report for the ones I mention?
>

I can confirm that in my part of Guangdong Province they are being very strict about the over 60 limit for new hires and have relaxed a little on returning teachers IF the university fights hard enough to keep them.  We lost at least 10 good teachers, some full professors with reputable PhDs.  I still am aware of another 10 over 60s who were re-hired.

Vicki in Zhuhai.

[Don williamson-2]

Well Sandy, for chit-chat purposes; at age 76 I'm looking to return again to my long time university in Wuhan, Hubei, Pv where I first taught at age 67. However, this past spring semester I had a severe cold and then got food poisoning. In both cases, one of my good Chinese friends insisted I go to the univ-campus clinic. So these incidents became a matter of record and, frankly, got blown out of proportion thru the campus rumor mill.

 I wish to return for spring 2010 and regard myself as fit and healthy but...I am sensing 'official reluctance' due to my age and this past record. Of course, and as remarked on by other list members, the Chinese are well aware of the health (somtimes fatal) problems older people can experience. They don't want the hassle and who can blame them. It will be interesting to see if my quanxi (if any???) is still viable. Then there is the H1N1 issue which, I'm sure, will figure into new F.Ts entering China. I think the government may be paranoid now due to the big SARS fiasco back in 03.

 As an aside, I do chuckle over disclaimers of "we are an equal opportunity employer." On the age and race aspect, one would be naive to think otherwise. Yet, we all know to...there are exceptions on the ageism issue.  I have been one of them to date. The Univ currently has four F.Ts in their late 60s. Said another way; rules, regulations, government edicts
are not universal in China. We shall see.

Don

<<<<< On Sat, 10/17/09, Sandy Harris <sandyinchina@...> wrote:


A friend who is about 70 and moved from Zhejiang to Jiangsu
this year says the issue was never raised in either place.
The school and the PSB both saw his passport, so they
knew his age, but it just was not a problem.

Can anyone chime in about other provinces? Has anyone
got something different to report for the ones I mention?





     

[Leslie Warren]

Shanghai is 60 for men and 55 for women.. new hires.. if visa is continued by same employer.. no problem as of yet

Leslie Warren
JX Learning
China

--- On Sun, 10/18/09, vicki_steven2005 <vicki_steven2005@...> wrote:


From: vicki_steven2005 <vicki_steven2005@...>
Subject: (job) Re: Teaching over 60
To: TEFLChinaJob@...
Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 6:49 AM

--- In TEFLChinaJob@ yahoogroups. com, Sandy Harris <sandyinchina@ ...> wrote:

> Can anyone chime in about other provinces? Has anyone
> got something different to report for the ones I mention?
>

I can confirm that in my part of Guangdong Province they are being very strict about the over 60 limit for new hires and have relaxed a little on returning teachers IF the university fights hard enough to keep them. We lost at least 10 good teachers, some full professors with reputable PhDs. I still am aware of another 10 over 60s who were re-hired.

Vicki in Zhuhai.