: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu

Hi,

For the last months I've been coding on an application in Playground called
MathematiK(but I'm open for better name suggestions). It's a frontend for
other free software mathematics projects, giving them a nice KDE-based
Worksheet view like Maple or Mathematica offer. Lately it has matured quite a
bit, so I decided to ask you for inclusion into the KDE Edu 4.4 release, it's
not perfect yet, but following the "release early, release often" philosophy
I'm really looking forward to get more people testing it. How do you think
about this? What are the steps I have to make to get MathematiK included?

Some of the current features are:
- Nice Worksheet view for evaulating Expression
- View of plotting results inside the worksheet
- Easy plugin based structure to add different Backends
- Backends for:
  - the Sage mathematics software (http://www.sagemath.org)
  - the Maxima Computer Algebra System (http://maxima.sourceforge.net/)
  - the R project for Statistical computing (http://www.r-project.org/)
- GetHotNewStuff integration to up/download example worksheets
- Typesetting of mathematical formulas using LaTeX
- Syntax highlighting depending on the chosen backend
- Plugin based assistant dialogs for common tasks (like integrating a function
or entering a matrix)

Cheers,
Alexander Rieder
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[Vladimir Kuznetsov]

Hello Alexander,

The idea of such program have already popped up several times before: it means
there is some demand for it. As for myself, I like the description of the
program (however I have not compiled/tested it yet - will do it soon).

My vote is for inclusion.

On Friday 21 August 2009 02:45:13 Alexander Rieder wrote:

> Hi,
>
> For the last months I've been coding on an application in Playground called
> MathematiK(but I'm open for better name suggestions). It's a frontend for
> other free software mathematics projects, giving them a nice KDE-based
> Worksheet view like Maple or Mathematica offer. Lately it has matured quite
> a bit, so I decided to ask you for inclusion into the KDE Edu 4.4 release,
> it's not perfect yet, but following the "release early, release often"
> philosophy I'm really looking forward to get more people testing it. How do
> you think about this? What are the steps I have to make to get MathematiK
> included?
>
> Some of the current features are:
> - Nice Worksheet view for evaulating Expression
> - View of plotting results inside the worksheet
> - Easy plugin based structure to add different Backends
> - Backends for:
>   - the Sage mathematics software (http://www.sagemath.org)
>   - the Maxima Computer Algebra System (http://maxima.sourceforge.net/)
>   - the R project for Statistical computing (http://www.r-project.org/)
> - GetHotNewStuff integration to up/download example worksheets
> - Typesetting of mathematical formulas using LaTeX
> - Syntax highlighting depending on the chosen backend
> - Plugin based assistant dialogs for common tasks (like integrating a
> function or entering a matrix)
>
> Cheers,
> Alexander Rieder
> _______________________________________________
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> kde-edu@...
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu

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[Jeremy Bicha]

Alexander,

I'm not a KDE programmer yet (nor do I really know how to use these types of math programs) but I think I found a few minor issues:

I like how when I compile kdegames, it tells me which packages are required and which are optional. I don't think that's been implemented in Mathematik yet. (For Ubuntu, I had to install r-base-dev and libspectre-dev)

It appears that though the backends are supposed to be optional, not only is R required to start building but I think sage and maxima also end up being required. Here's my log: http://pastebin.ca/1539337

Thanks and keep up the good work,
Jeremy Bicha

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Alexander Rieder <alexanderrieder@...> wrote:

Hi,

For the last months I've been coding on an application in Playground called
MathematiK(but I'm open for better name suggestions). It's a frontend for
other free software mathematics projects, giving them a nice KDE-based
Worksheet view like Maple or Mathematica offer. Lately it has matured quite a
bit, so I decided to ask you for inclusion into the KDE Edu 4.4 release, it's
not perfect yet, but following the "release early, release often" philosophy
I'm really looking forward to get more people testing it. How do you think
about this? What are the steps I have to make to get MathematiK included?

Some of the current features are:
- Nice Worksheet view for evaulating Expression
- View of plotting results inside the worksheet
- Easy plugin based structure to add different Backends
- Backends for:
 - the Sage mathematics software (http://www.sagemath.org)
 - the Maxima Computer Algebra System (http://maxima.sourceforge.net/)
 - the R project for Statistical computing (http://www.r-project.org/)
- GetHotNewStuff integration to up/download example worksheets
- Typesetting of mathematical formulas using LaTeX
- Syntax highlighting depending on the chosen backend
- Plugin based assistant dialogs for common tasks (like integrating a function
or entering a matrix)

Cheers,
Alexander Rieder
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On Saturday 22 August 2009 22:07:38 Jeremy Bicha wrote:

> Alexander,
>
> I'm not a KDE programmer yet (nor do I really know how to use these types
>  of math programs) but I think I found a few minor issues:
>
> I like how when I compile kdegames, it tells me which packages are required
> and which are optional. I don't think that's been implemented in Mathematik
> yet. (For Ubuntu, I had to install r-base-dev and libspectre-dev)
>
> It appears that though the backends are supposed to be optional, not only
>  is R required to start building but I think sage and maxima also end up
>  being required. Here's my log: http://pastebin.ca/1539337
>

Sage and Maxima are only required at runtime. if the needed executables aren't
found, the backends don't show up. For R I thought it was optional, but my
CMake skills are limited. I'll have a look at it. LibSpectre is a hard
requirement, as it is used throughout the app to render eps files, either
generated by LaTeX, or as the result of plots.

Alexander

> Thanks and keep up the good work,
> Jeremy Bicha
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Alexander Rieder
>  <alexanderrieder@...
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > For the last months I've been coding on an application in Playground
> > called MathematiK(but I'm open for better name suggestions). It's a
> > frontend for other free software mathematics projects, giving them a nice
> > KDE-based Worksheet view like Maple or Mathematica offer. Lately it has
> > matured quite a
> > bit, so I decided to ask you for inclusion into the KDE Edu 4.4 release,
> > it's
> > not perfect yet, but following the "release early, release often"
> > philosophy
> > I'm really looking forward to get more people testing it. How do you
> > think about this? What are the steps I have to make to get MathematiK
> > included?
> >
> > Some of the current features are:
> > - Nice Worksheet view for evaulating Expression
> > - View of plotting results inside the worksheet
> > - Easy plugin based structure to add different Backends
> > - Backends for:
> >  - the Sage mathematics software (http://www.sagemath.org)
> >  - the Maxima Computer Algebra System (http://maxima.sourceforge.net/)
> >  - the R project for Statistical computing (http://www.r-project.org/)
> > - GetHotNewStuff integration to up/download example worksheets
> > - Typesetting of mathematical formulas using LaTeX
> > - Syntax highlighting depending on the chosen backend
> > - Plugin based assistant dialogs for common tasks (like integrating a
> > function
> > or entering a matrix)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alexander Rieder
> > _______________________________________________
> > kde-edu mailing list
> > kde-edu@...
> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
>

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Hi,
On Saturday 22 August 2009 22:07:38 Jeremy Bicha wrote:
> Alexander,
>
> I'm not a KDE programmer yet (nor do I really know how to use these types
>  of math programs) but I think I found a few minor issues:
>
> I like how when I compile kdegames, it tells me which packages are required
> and which are optional. I don't think that's been implemented in Mathematik
> yet. (For Ubuntu, I had to install r-base-dev and libspectre-dev)
Today I added the message about missing optional dependencies

>
> It appears that though the backends are supposed to be optional, not only
>  is R required to start building but I think sage and maxima also end up
>  being required. Here's my log: http://pastebin.ca/1539337
The second failure was the result of me forgetting to remove an old linker
flag. it's fixed in trunk.

thanks for reporting,


Alexander

>
> Thanks and keep up the good work,
> Jeremy Bicha
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Alexander Rieder
>  <alexanderrieder@...
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > For the last months I've been coding on an application in Playground
> > called MathematiK(but I'm open for better name suggestions). It's a
> > frontend for other free software mathematics projects, giving them a nice
> > KDE-based Worksheet view like Maple or Mathematica offer. Lately it has
> > matured quite a
> > bit, so I decided to ask you for inclusion into the KDE Edu 4.4 release,
> > it's
> > not perfect yet, but following the "release early, release often"
> > philosophy
> > I'm really looking forward to get more people testing it. How do you
> > think about this? What are the steps I have to make to get MathematiK
> > included?
> >
> > Some of the current features are:
> > - Nice Worksheet view for evaulating Expression
> > - View of plotting results inside the worksheet
> > - Easy plugin based structure to add different Backends
> > - Backends for:
> >  - the Sage mathematics software (http://www.sagemath.org)
> >  - the Maxima Computer Algebra System (http://maxima.sourceforge.net/)
> >  - the R project for Statistical computing (http://www.r-project.org/)
> > - GetHotNewStuff integration to up/download example worksheets
> > - Typesetting of mathematical formulas using LaTeX
> > - Syntax highlighting depending on the chosen backend
> > - Plugin based assistant dialogs for common tasks (like integrating a
> > function
> > or entering a matrix)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alexander Rieder
> > _______________________________________________
> > kde-edu mailing list
> > kde-edu@...
> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
>

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On Friday, 2009-08-21, Alexander Rieder wrote:

> Hi,
>
> For the last months I've been coding on an application in Playground called
> MathematiK(but I'm open for better name suggestions). It's a frontend for
> other free software mathematics projects, giving them a nice KDE-based
> Worksheet view like Maple or Mathematica offer. Lately it has matured quite
> a bit, so I decided to ask you for inclusion into the KDE Edu 4.4 release,
> it's not perfect yet, but following the "release early, release often"
> philosophy I'm really looking forward to get more people testing it. How do
> you think about this? What are the steps I have to make to get MathematiK
> included?

Of course this is totally up to you, but I would recommend thinking about a
different name before inclusion.

One thing is that KDE programs in general moved away from highlighting K
somewhere within the name by uppercasing it, because people never get this
right when writing about it.

Another thing is that it is extremely close to one of the competitor's name.

Maybe there is some famous mathematician with K initials or a mathematic
technique (similar to the product that it named "Derive")

Cheers,
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[Anne-Marie Mahfouf-2]

Le lundi 24 août 2009 12:29:44, Kevin Krammer a écrit :

> On Friday, 2009-08-21, Alexander Rieder wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > For the last months I've been coding on an application in Playground
> > called MathematiK(but I'm open for better name suggestions). It's a
> > frontend for other free software mathematics projects, giving them a nice
> > KDE-based Worksheet view like Maple or Mathematica offer. Lately it has
> > matured quite a bit, so I decided to ask you for inclusion into the KDE
> > Edu 4.4 release, it's not perfect yet, but following the "release early,
> > release often" philosophy I'm really looking forward to get more people
> > testing it. How do you think about this? What are the steps I have to
> > make to get MathematiK included?
>
> Of course this is totally up to you, but I would recommend thinking about a
> different name before inclusion.
>
> One thing is that KDE programs in general moved away from highlighting K
> somewhere within the name by uppercasing it, because people never get this
> right when writing about it.
>
> Another thing is that it is extremely close to one of the competitor's
>  name.
>
> Maybe there is some famous mathematician with K initials or a mathematic
> technique (similar to the product that it named "Derive")
>
> Cheers,
> Kevin
>

I totally agree with that.

A short reminder about the moving to kdeedu:

The process for inclusion in kdeedu is to first move the application to
kdereview and at the same time to describe it to kde-core-devel mailing list
and ask for inclusion in kdeedu. The basic requirements are that it's as much
as possible based on kdelibs, it builds well, it has a complete doc and it is
i18n ready. Having a usability study for it and ensuring you did some profiling
are nice additions.
The application will stay for 2 weeks in kdereview where it gets peer review
(usually in the form of answers on the kde-core-devel mailing list)
If no problems are discovered it can be moved to kdeedu and a bug component
canbe created for it as well as webpages. You might also considere to blog
about it and to aggregate your blog on Planet KDE to create a buzz!

More on http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/SVN_Guidelines

Best regards,

Anne-Marie



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On Monday, 2009-08-24, Anne-Marie Mahfouf wrote:

> A short reminder about the moving to kdeedu:
>
> The process for inclusion in kdeedu is to first move the application to
> kdereview and at the same time to describe it to kde-core-devel mailing
> list and ask for inclusion in kdeedu. The basic requirements are that it's
> as much as possible based on kdelibs, it builds well, it has a complete doc
> and it is i18n ready. Having a usability study for it and ensuring you did
> some profiling are nice additions.
> The application will stay for 2 weeks in kdereview where it gets peer
> review (usually in the form of answers on the kde-core-devel mailing list)
> If no problems are discovered it can be moved to kdeedu and a bug component
> canbe created for it as well as webpages. You might also considere to blog
> about it and to aggregate your blog on Planet KDE to create a buzz!

Additionally there is the option of going into KDE extragear, permanently or
even just for a while.

We at KDE PIM do the latter for Akonadi resources provided by new developers,
e.g the Google Data resource.
It has the advantage that the author can do more releases at the beginning,
e.g. two or three between KDE releases, can decide on release dates (e.g.
delay if a critical bug is found), etc.

The application is still being translated by KDE's localization teams, it can
be tagged to automatically be included in a source tarball at KDE releases,
etc.

Famous extregear apps are Amarok and K3b.

Cheers,
Kevin

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Alexander Rieder schrieb:
> Hi,
>
...
> Some of the current features are:
...
> - Backends for:
>   - the Sage mathematics software (http://www.sagemath.org)
>   - the Maxima Computer Algebra System (http://maxima.sourceforge.net/)
>   - the R project for Statistical computing (http://www.r-project.org/)
I just tried to compile mathematik on windows and I found some problems
- - If R is not available, currently the build fails because you use
message(FATAL_ERROR) in your FindR.cmake. I think I can try to fix this
myself, if you don't mind (so that in the end
macro_optional_find_package works).
- - In both Maxima and Sage backends you use kptyprocess to start the
runtime executables. As there are no ptys on windows, I would like to
know if you really need to use it instead of kprocess directly? If I
find the time, I will take a look into that as well, but I might need a
bit longer for that.
>
> Cheers,
> Alexander Rieder
regards,
Patrick
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On Monday 24 August 2009 14:23:19 Patrick Spendrin wrote:

> Alexander Rieder schrieb:
> > Hi,
>
> ...
>
> > Some of the current features are:
>
> ...
>
> > - Backends for:
> >   - the Sage mathematics software (http://www.sagemath.org)
> >   - the Maxima Computer Algebra System (http://maxima.sourceforge.net/)
> >   - the R project for Statistical computing (http://www.r-project.org/)
>
> I just tried to compile mathematik on windows and I found some problems
> - If R is not available, currently the build fails because you use
> message(FATAL_ERROR) in your FindR.cmake. I think I can try to fix this
> myself, if you don't mind (so that in the end
> macro_optional_find_package works).

Sure, go ahead, I don't really know how these CMake checks work anyway. The
code for the FindR.cmake was taken from the RKward project

> - In both Maxima and Sage backends you use kptyprocess to start the
> runtime executables. As there are no ptys on windows, I would like to
> know if you really need to use it instead of kprocess directly? If I
> find the time, I will take a look into that as well, but I might need a
> bit longer for that.

I was first using KProcess, but i remember having some really strange problems
with it (like some commands not working, while others do), but maybe it can be
changed so it uses kprocess on windows (as the're is very little code that
needs to be changed, and it's all in (Sage|Maxima)Session ).

Bye,
Alexander

>
> > Cheers,
> > Alexander Rieder
>
> regards,
> Patrick
>
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On Monday 24 August 2009 12:29:44 Kevin Krammer wrote:

> On Friday, 2009-08-21, Alexander Rieder wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > For the last months I've been coding on an application in Playground
> > called MathematiK(but I'm open for better name suggestions). It's a
> > frontend for other free software mathematics projects, giving them a nice
> > KDE-based Worksheet view like Maple or Mathematica offer. Lately it has
> > matured quite a bit, so I decided to ask you for inclusion into the KDE
> > Edu 4.4 release, it's not perfect yet, but following the "release early,
> > release often" philosophy I'm really looking forward to get more people
> > testing it. How do you think about this? What are the steps I have to
> > make to get MathematiK included?
>
> Of course this is totally up to you, but I would recommend thinking about a
> different name before inclusion.
>
> One thing is that KDE programs in general moved away from highlighting K
> somewhere within the name by uppercasing it, because people never get this
> right when writing about it.
>
> Another thing is that it is extremely close to one of the competitor's
>  name.
>
> Maybe there is some famous mathematician with K initials or a mathematic
> technique (similar to the product that it named "Derive")

I see, the name MathematiK was at first only chosen as a working title, as I
totally suck at naming. The only other names I could come up with are:
- Kauchy, after Augustin-Louis Cauchy
- Cantor, after Georg Cantor
- Kronecker, after Leopold Kronecker
- or Konvergenz which is the german word for convergence

I really hope somebody can give me a hint on how to call this thing.

Bye,
Alexander

>
> Cheers,
> Kevin
>
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Alexander Rieder schrieb:

> On Monday 24 August 2009 14:23:19 Patrick Spendrin wrote:
>> Alexander Rieder schrieb:
>>> Hi,
>> ...
>>
>>> Some of the current features are:
>> ...
>>
>>> - Backends for:
>>>   - the Sage mathematics software (http://www.sagemath.org)
>>>   - the Maxima Computer Algebra System (http://maxima.sourceforge.net/)
>>>   - the R project for Statistical computing (http://www.r-project.org/)
>> I just tried to compile mathematik on windows and I found some problems
>> - If R is not available, currently the build fails because you use
>> message(FATAL_ERROR) in your FindR.cmake. I think I can try to fix this
>> myself, if you don't mind (so that in the end
>> macro_optional_find_package works).
> Sure, go ahead, I don't really know how these CMake checks work anyway. The
> code for the FindR.cmake was taken from the RKward project

Ok, I will commit it directly to trunk if you don't mind.

>
>> - In both Maxima and Sage backends you use kptyprocess to start the
>> runtime executables. As there are no ptys on windows, I would like to
>> know if you really need to use it instead of kprocess directly? If I
>> find the time, I will take a look into that as well, but I might need a
>> bit longer for that.
>
> I was first using KProcess, but i remember having some really strange problems
> with it (like some commands not working, while others do), but maybe it can be
> changed so it uses kprocess on windows (as the're is very little code that
> needs to be changed, and it's all in (Sage|Maxima)Session ).

Looking at it, I just found out that Sage isn't available yet under
windows, so maxima is the only one needed.
I have a patch here that uses KProcess instead of KPtyProcess, but since
it doesn't work correctly yet, I don't want to send it to you.
If I can get it working here on windows, then we can test it under Linux
too.
>
regards,
Patrick
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[shahab shirazi]

Hi,
A few days ago I sent an email to this mailing list and asked about
using KGeography's data in my application.
Well, the data are now being used in the new version of FlashQard
(0.14.0)

You might remember this software. A few months ago I asked about
inclusion of FlashQard in kde-edu. But it was prefered to keep using
Parley.

Anyway, I thought it might be interesting for you to see how the data
are being used.
As it was mentioned in my last email, some of the maps are a bit
modified. Capital cities are added to almost every map (of countries).

Please visit the website of the project:
http://flashqard-project.org

and this is the download page:
http://flashqard-project.org/download.php

A big thank you goes to KGeography team for the great job.

Kind regards,
Shahab.

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On Monday 24 August 2009 20:49:11 Patrick Spendrin wrote:

> Alexander Rieder schrieb:
> > On Monday 24 August 2009 14:23:19 Patrick Spendrin wrote:
> >> Alexander Rieder schrieb:
> >>> Hi,
> >>
> >> ...
> >>
> >>> Some of the current features are:
> >>
> >> ...
> >>
> >>> - Backends for:
> >>>   - the Sage mathematics software (http://www.sagemath.org)
> >>>   - the Maxima Computer Algebra System (http://maxima.sourceforge.net/)
> >>>   - the R project for Statistical computing (http://www.r-project.org/)
> >>
> >> I just tried to compile mathematik on windows and I found some problems
> >> - If R is not available, currently the build fails because you use
> >> message(FATAL_ERROR) in your FindR.cmake. I think I can try to fix this
> >> myself, if you don't mind (so that in the end
> >> macro_optional_find_package works).
> >
> > Sure, go ahead, I don't really know how these CMake checks work anyway.
> > The code for the FindR.cmake was taken from the RKward project
>
> Ok, I will commit it directly to trunk if you don't mind.

Sure, go ahead.

>
> >> - In both Maxima and Sage backends you use kptyprocess to start the
> >> runtime executables. As there are no ptys on windows, I would like to
> >> know if you really need to use it instead of kprocess directly? If I
> >> find the time, I will take a look into that as well, but I might need a
> >> bit longer for that.
> >
> > I was first using KProcess, but i remember having some really strange
> > problems with it (like some commands not working, while others do), but
> > maybe it can be changed so it uses kprocess on windows (as the're is very
> > little code that needs to be changed, and it's all in
> > (Sage|Maxima)Session ).
>
> Looking at it, I just found out that Sage isn't available yet under
> windows, so maxima is the only one needed.
> I have a patch here that uses KProcess instead of KPtyProcess, but since
> it doesn't work correctly yet, I don't want to send it to you.
> If I can get it working here on windows, then we can test it under Linux
> too.
>

If there are problems, using maxima with a KProcess, I just remembered, that
maxima has the possibility to use a TcpSocket for communication (this is what
for example WxMaxima does, see "maxima -s"). Maybe this should be used to get
a portable Backend.

regards,
Alexander

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On Monday 24 August 2009 13:31:34 Anne-Marie Mahfouf wrote:

> Le lundi 24 août 2009 12:29:44, Kevin Krammer a écrit :
> > On Friday, 2009-08-21, Alexander Rieder wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > For the last months I've been coding on an application in Playground
> > > called MathematiK(but I'm open for better name suggestions). It's a
> > > frontend for other free software mathematics projects, giving them a
> > > nice KDE-based Worksheet view like Maple or Mathematica offer. Lately
> > > it has matured quite a bit, so I decided to ask you for inclusion into
> > > the KDE Edu 4.4 release, it's not perfect yet, but following the
> > > "release early, release often" philosophy I'm really looking forward to
> > > get more people testing it. How do you think about this? What are the
> > > steps I have to make to get MathematiK included?
> >
> > Of course this is totally up to you, but I would recommend thinking about
> > a different name before inclusion.
> >
> > One thing is that KDE programs in general moved away from highlighting K
> > somewhere within the name by uppercasing it, because people never get
> > this right when writing about it.
> >
> > Another thing is that it is extremely close to one of the competitor's
> >  name.
> >
> > Maybe there is some famous mathematician with K initials or a mathematic
> > technique (similar to the product that it named "Derive")
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Kevin
>
> I totally agree with that.
>
> A short reminder about the moving to kdeedu:
>
> The process for inclusion in kdeedu is to first move the application to
> kdereview and at the same time to describe it to kde-core-devel mailing
>  list and ask for inclusion in kdeedu. The basic requirements are that it's
>  as much as possible based on kdelibs, it builds well, it has a complete
>  doc and it is i18n ready. Having a usability study for it and ensuring you
>  did some profiling are nice additions.
> The application will stay for 2 weeks in kdereview where it gets peer
>  review (usually in the form of answers on the kde-core-devel mailing list)
>  If no problems are discovered it can be moved to kdeedu and a bug
>  component canbe created for it as well as webpages. You might also
>  considere to blog about it and to aggregate your blog on Planet KDE to
>  create a buzz!
>
> More on http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/SVN_Guidelines
>
> Best regards,
>
> Anne-Marie
>
>

Hi,
I've decided to rename MathematiK to Kantor (after Georg Cantor, the creator
of set theory). I have a local checkout where the names are replaced, but
what's the best way to commit it? Should I first commit the renamings, then
rename the subdir in playground/edu (and move to kdereview at a second
moment), or should I just skip the renaming of the subdir, and directly move
trunk/playground/mathematik to /trunk/kdereview/kantor? What's the best way to
do this renaming? How about the translations (at which point should
messages.sh export to kantor.po istead of mathematik.po?) Is there anything
else that needs to be done?

thanks,
Alexander

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On Monday 31 August 2009 16:21:39 Alexander Rieder wrote:

<snip>

> > A short reminder about the moving to kdeedu:
> >
> > The process for inclusion in kdeedu is to first move the application to
> > kdereview and at the same time to describe it to kde-core-devel mailing
> >  list and ask for inclusion in kdeedu. The basic requirements are that
> > it's as much as possible based on kdelibs, it builds well, it has a
> > complete doc and it is i18n ready. Having a usability study for it and
> > ensuring you did some profiling are nice additions.
> > The application will stay for 2 weeks in kdereview where it gets peer
> >  review (usually in the form of answers on the kde-core-devel mailing
> > list) If no problems are discovered it can be moved to kdeedu and a bug
> > component canbe created for it as well as webpages. You might also
> > considere to blog about it and to aggregate your blog on Planet KDE to
> > create a buzz!
> >
> > More on http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/SVN_Guidelines
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Anne-Marie
>
> Hi,
> I've decided to rename MathematiK to Kantor (after Georg Cantor, the
>  creator of set theory). I have a local checkout where the names are
>  replaced, but what's the best way to commit it? Should I first commit the
>  renamings, then rename the subdir in playground/edu (and move to kdereview
>  at a second moment), or should I just skip the renaming of the subdir, and
>  directly move trunk/playground/mathematik to /trunk/kdereview/kantor?
>  What's the best way to do this renaming? How about the translations (at
>  which point should messages.sh export to kantor.po istead of
>  mathematik.po?) Is there anything else that needs to be done?

If it were me, I'd do it in 2 steps, first rename and get the translations
going to the right po file, then move to kdereview.  But you should ask kde-
i18n-doc@... just to be sure (I've cc'ed them for ya).

Jeremy

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[Anne-Marie Mahfouf-2]

On Tuesday 01 September 2009 03:42:49 Jeremy Whiting wrote:

> >
> > Hi,
> > I've decided to rename MathematiK to Kantor (after Georg Cantor, the
> >  creator of set theory). I have a local checkout where the names are
> >  replaced, but what's the best way to commit it? Should I first commit
> > the renamings, then rename the subdir in playground/edu (and move to
> > kdereview at a second moment), or should I just skip the renaming of the
> > subdir, and directly move trunk/playground/mathematik to
> > /trunk/kdereview/kantor? What's the best way to do this renaming? How
> > about the translations (at which point should messages.sh export to
> > kantor.po istead of
> >  mathematik.po?) Is there anything else that needs to be done?
>
> If it were me, I'd do it in 2 steps, first rename and get the translations
> going to the right po file, then move to kdereview.  But you should ask
>  kde- i18n-doc@... just to be sure (I've cc'ed them for ya).

yes, the best is to rename in playground and you can maybe CC the commit to
this list so we'll test it and to i18n as well.
Then I would say maybe after 1 day you can move to kdereview. Again you can CC
i18n when you move as the translations will move as well. Same when you will
include in kdeedu.

I'll try to spend some time testing your program, this week is back to school
week so it's not easy to find time for KDE with 4 kids ;)

I talked yesterday on IRC with Jeremy about GHNS and he said you got upload to
work. This is awesome news!

Best regards,

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Why not Cantor instead of Kantor ?
and, that maybe a bad naming for brazil , it can cause a lot of
misunderstanding, since it means 'Singer' here.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:32 AM, Anne-Marie
Mahfouf<annemarie.mahfouf@...> wrote:

> On Tuesday 01 September 2009 03:42:49 Jeremy Whiting wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> > I've decided to rename MathematiK to Kantor (after Georg Cantor, the
>> >  creator of set theory). I have a local checkout where the names are
>> >  replaced, but what's the best way to commit it? Should I first commit
>> > the renamings, then rename the subdir in playground/edu (and move to
>> > kdereview at a second moment), or should I just skip the renaming of the
>> > subdir, and directly move trunk/playground/mathematik to
>> > /trunk/kdereview/kantor? What's the best way to do this renaming? How
>> > about the translations (at which point should messages.sh export to
>> > kantor.po istead of
>> >  mathematik.po?) Is there anything else that needs to be done?
>>
>> If it were me, I'd do it in 2 steps, first rename and get the translations
>> going to the right po file, then move to kdereview.  But you should ask
>>  kde- i18n-doc@... just to be sure (I've cc'ed them for ya).
> yes, the best is to rename in playground and you can maybe CC the commit to
> this list so we'll test it and to i18n as well.
> Then I would say maybe after 1 day you can move to kdereview. Again you can CC
> i18n when you move as the translations will move as well. Same when you will
> include in kdeedu.
>
> I'll try to spend some time testing your program, this week is back to school
> week so it's not easy to find time for KDE with 4 kids ;)
>
> I talked yesterday on IRC with Jeremy about GHNS and he said you got upload to
> work. This is awesome news!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Anne-Marie
>
>
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A Dimarts, 1 de setembre de 2009, Jeremy Whiting va escriure:

> On Monday 31 August 2009 16:21:39 Alexander Rieder wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > > A short reminder about the moving to kdeedu:
> > >
> > > The process for inclusion in kdeedu is to first move the application to
> > > kdereview and at the same time to describe it to kde-core-devel mailing
> > >  list and ask for inclusion in kdeedu. The basic requirements are that
> > > it's as much as possible based on kdelibs, it builds well, it has a
> > > complete doc and it is i18n ready. Having a usability study for it and
> > > ensuring you did some profiling are nice additions.
> > > The application will stay for 2 weeks in kdereview where it gets peer
> > >  review (usually in the form of answers on the kde-core-devel mailing
> > > list) If no problems are discovered it can be moved to kdeedu and a bug
> > > component canbe created for it as well as webpages. You might also
> > > considere to blog about it and to aggregate your blog on Planet KDE to
> > > create a buzz!
> > >
> > > More on http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/SVN_Guidelines
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Anne-Marie
> >
> > Hi,
> > I've decided to rename MathematiK to Kantor (after Georg Cantor, the
> >  creator of set theory). I have a local checkout where the names are
> >  replaced, but what's the best way to commit it? Should I first commit
> > the renamings, then rename the subdir in playground/edu (and move to
> > kdereview at a second moment), or should I just skip the renaming of the
> > subdir, and directly move trunk/playground/mathematik to
> > /trunk/kdereview/kantor? What's the best way to do this renaming? How
> > about the translations (at which point should messages.sh export to
> > kantor.po istead of
> >  mathematik.po?) Is there anything else that needs to be done?
>
> If it were me, I'd do it in 2 steps, first rename and get the translations
> going to the right po file, then move to kdereview.  But you should ask
>  kde- i18n-doc@... just to be sure (I've cc'ed them for ya).

Any solution is valid i18n wise, just tell us what you did :D

Albert

> Jeremy
>
> > thanks,
> > Alexander
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On Tuesday 01 September 2009 16:05:23 Tomaz Canabrava wrote:
> Why not Cantor instead of Kantor ?
don't know, I kinda like K's ;-) but it's not a strong opinion.
> and, that maybe a bad naming for brazil , it can cause a lot of
> misunderstanding, since it means 'Singer' here.
damn, why is it so difficult to find a good name?
Can this problem be solved, by using C instead of K or should I try to think
of a completely new one?

>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:32 AM, Anne-Marie
>
> Mahfouf<annemarie.mahfouf@...> wrote:
> > On Tuesday 01 September 2009 03:42:49 Jeremy Whiting wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> > I've decided to rename MathematiK to Kantor (after Georg Cantor, the
> >> >  creator of set theory). I have a local checkout where the names are
> >> >  replaced, but what's the best way to commit it? Should I first commit
> >> > the renamings, then rename the subdir in playground/edu (and move to
> >> > kdereview at a second moment), or should I just skip the renaming of
> >> > the subdir, and directly move trunk/playground/mathematik to
> >> > /trunk/kdereview/kantor? What's the best way to do this renaming? How
> >> > about the translations (at which point should messages.sh export to
> >> > kantor.po istead of
> >> >  mathematik.po?) Is there anything else that needs to be done?
> >>
> >> If it were me, I'd do it in 2 steps, first rename and get the
> >> translations going to the right po file, then move to kdereview.  But
> >> you should ask kde- i18n-doc@... just to be sure (I've cc'ed them
> >> for ya).
> >
> > yes, the best is to rename in playground and you can maybe CC the commit
> > to this list so we'll test it and to i18n as well.
> > Then I would say maybe after 1 day you can move to kdereview. Again you
> > can CC i18n when you move as the translations will move as well. Same
> > when you will include in kdeedu.
> >
> > I'll try to spend some time testing your program, this week is back to
> > school week so it's not easy to find time for KDE with 4 kids ;)
> >
> > I talked yesterday on IRC with Jeremy about GHNS and he said you got
> > upload to work. This is awesome news!
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Anne-Marie
> >
> >
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