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by Mikhail.Prokopenko :: Rate this Message:

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Hi,
 
Fabio asked a provocative question :) - “what benefit do we get by seeing Antonio’s system in term of information, which we would not get by seeing it via ‘traditional physics’ only?”
 
This question relates to many other "threads" that were suggested, and one way is to simply say - taking the weak IDSO view - that it is easier to compare different engineering designs by analysing information dynamics. For instance, imagine a completely centralised modular robot, controlled from a single module/segment that regularly receives data from other segments, computes the best actions for every segment, and sends the instructions back. It appears that this would not satisfy the minimal control effort principle that Antonio advocates. But how do we systematically compare this design with other, more distributed, designs? Measuring instructions' size, number of packets, memory usage, etc. would be prone to ambiguities. While doing the analysis information-theoretically introduces "the lingua franca" for multiple designs.
 
The strong IDSO view would maintain, in my interpretation, that if such "lingua franca" is possible then it's only a matter of time till evolution/self-organisation (and even human-designers) discover it, and put to use. In other words, "proto-symbols", that were mentioned in the previous message, would help in capturing the relevant bits and using it functionally. This is obviously only a conjecture.
 
Thanks,
Mikhail
 


From: Boschetti, Fabio (CMAR, Floreat)
Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2007 2:01 PM
To: Prokopenko, Mikhail (ICT Centre, North Ryde); Lafusa, Antonio
Cc: IDSO-CSIRO
Subject: RE: starting IDSO discussions: weak and strong IDSO

i also like Antonio’s point. A question could be “what benefit do we get by seeing Antonio’s system in term of information, which we would not get by seeing it via ‘traditional physics’ only?”