[68cat] [news] NetCAT Status Report - 5.

[Jiri Kovalsky]

Hello NetCAT team,

   if you are interested in today's newsletter, please read below.

1. *Current status*

   NetCAT feedback is back to normal. 18 people participated in various discussions and they generated ~8.1 e-mails daily. In addition to that 18 testers submitted ~8.7 bugs every day. So, less activity but this is expected at this phase. We have discussed problems in Editor, Debugger, JAX-WS, Infrastructure and of course Performance issues too. Let's inspect that in more detail.

2. *Important stuff*

   * Attention! NetBeans project will undergo the _biggest change of its infrastructure_ [1] since it has been open sourced ~10 years ago. Starting tomorrow we are going to migrate all bugs, mailing lists, users, projects, web, files and Wiki. The process will require several days so please bear with us during this period as many services will be down.

[1] http://wiki.netbeans.org/NewNBOrg

   * Nigel Leck and Michel Graciano pleased us as they both noticed _speed improvements_ while IDE was scanning sources including humble memory footprint. To paraphrase Nigel though, an instantaneous response would be the ideal state. :-)

   * Several participants continuously face _various debugging problems_ . We are aware of the fact that debugger sometimes triggers scanning (#174668) - thanks Neil for the snapshot. Besides, Ulf Zibis and Glenn Holmer said they saw rapidly en/disabling "Continue" buttons. Eric Smith also claims his Ruby debugging session terminates under certain conditions (#174409).

   * Eric with Ruby project and Daniel Sheppard with Groovy project share similar problem. Their _IDEs get locked_ for couple seconds typically when _code completion_ window is about to show up. It looks like all scripting languages are affected by this performance problem, because #174627 was originally reported against PHP sources.

   * German developers obviously think similarly ;-) since Dennis Kühn requested that _Fix Imports_ should remove unknown imports while same issue (#122658) was already reported by Georg Schmid. Fortunately this has been implemented ~2 weeks ago.

   * Some threads were dedicated to NetBeans plugins. Whereas it is still possible to install _GWT integration_ from Beta Update Center, _SOA functionality_ is no longer available.

   * Ulf Zibis complained about _resizing toolbars_ upon start of a debugging session. This [65cat] defect (#145207) is most probably in the NetBeans Core and it manifests itself after import of some old settings.

   * Daniel Sheppard asked for the same feature that Maven projects have: possibility to _re-run the project_ with a different set of parameters (#174386). Any supporters here?

3. *Bug hunting*

   * Stefan Wilfling got his _debugger into a weird state_ in 5 out of 7 sessions (#174849). We were able to reproduce it which lead to a prompt fix. This issue was also accepted as a 6.8 Beta showstopper. Good catch!

   * 10 NetCAT participants reported _CancelAbort exception_ which was typically thrown when opening a source file. This showstopper (#174362) with 150+ duplicates was hopefully fixed today.

   * Daniel Sheppard also discovered an _apparent deadlock_ (#174618) after only a few operations with the IDE. Luckily this P1 was already fixed on the submission day.

   * _Another deadlock_ (#174659) was submitted by Stefan Wilfling. It happened when breakpoint was set during classpath scanning but it was fixed quickly within ~1 hour. :-)

   * Few participants discussed recurring _out-of-date error badges_ but these defects are pretty hard to reproduce. :-( Neil Green's bug about missing error badge on a project with not compilable tests (#174636) was fixed yesterday. On the other hand, John Leed's bug for inconsistent errors in Editor (#174006) is still being investigated. Thanks John for your prompt cooperation on tracking this down so far!

   * Both Scott Palmer and Peter Nabbefeld are stuck as _JAX-WS plugin generates incompilable web services_ (#174557) because of an upgrade from version 2.1 to 2.2 but new library is not provided.

   * Best bug reporter of the previous week was again Eric Smith with 11 submitted issues.

4. *Statistics*

   Bugs submitted: 378 (+61)
   Open bugs:      184 (3/9/153/16/3)
   E-mails:        608 (+57)

Any ideas for the next status report? Let me know!

Best regards,
-Jirka

[Nigel Leck]

For me the project scan is looking much better. I have had to remove the .netbeans/var/cache directory a couple of times as the lookup database was corrupt. Should there be a way of kicking off a full scan via the UI ? deleting the cache directory is a bit of a hack.

[Ulf Zibis-2]

Am 20.10.2009 23:56, Nigel Leck schrieb:
> For me the project scan is looking much better. I have had to remove the
> .netbeans/var/cache directory a couple of times as the lookup database was
> corrupt. Should there be a way of kicking off a full scan via the UI ?
> deleting the cache directory is a bit of a hack.
>
>  

+1

[Ulf Zibis-2]

Am 20.10.2009 21:33, Jiri Kovalsky schrieb:
> Hello NetCAT team,
>
>   * Several participants continuously face _various debugging
> problems_ . We are aware of the fact that debugger sometimes triggers
> scanning (#174668) - thanks Neil for the snapshot. Besides, Ulf Zibis
> and Glenn Holmer said they saw rapidly en/disabling "Continue" buttons.

Not only "Continue" buttons, also other debug buttons.

>   * German developers obviously think similarly ;-) since Dennis Kühn
> requested that _Fix Imports_ should remove unknown imports while same
> issue (#122658) was already reported by Georg Schmid. Fortunately this
> has been implemented ~2 weeks ago.

I'm the 3rd German thinking similarly ;-) See:
http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=122109
http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=161555
http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=161557

>   * Ulf Zibis complained about _resizing toolbars_ upon start of a
> debugging session. This [65cat] defect (#145207) is most probably in
> the NetBeans Core and it manifests itself after import of some old
> settings.

Should I file exported settings, which could be cause of this?

> Any ideas for the next status report? Let me know!

File Status report in text + html format, so issue referrings could be
included as clickable links.

-Ulf

[Michael Bar-Sinai]

+1 For re-running with different parameters in normal java projects.

--Michael

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Jiri Kovalsky <Jiri.Kovalsky@...> wrote:

Hello NetCAT team,

 if you are interested in today's newsletter, please read below.

1. *Current status*

 NetCAT feedback is back to normal. 18 people participated in various discussions and they generated ~8.1 e-mails daily. In addition to that 18 testers submitted ~8.7 bugs every day. So, less activity but this is expected at this phase. We have discussed problems in Editor, Debugger, JAX-WS, Infrastructure and of course Performance issues too. Let's inspect that in more detail.

2. *Important stuff*

 * Attention! NetBeans project will undergo the _biggest change of its infrastructure_ [1] since it has been open sourced ~10 years ago. Starting tomorrow we are going to migrate all bugs, mailing lists, users, projects, web, files and Wiki. The process will require several days so please bear with us during this period as many services will be down.

[1] http://wiki.netbeans.org/NewNBOrg

 * Nigel Leck and Michel Graciano pleased us as they both noticed _speed improvements_ while IDE was scanning sources including humble memory footprint. To paraphrase Nigel though, an instantaneous response would be the ideal state. :-)

 * Several participants continuously face _various debugging problems_ . We are aware of the fact that debugger sometimes triggers scanning (#174668) - thanks Neil for the snapshot. Besides, Ulf Zibis and Glenn Holmer said they saw rapidly en/disabling "Continue" buttons. Eric Smith also claims his Ruby debugging session terminates under certain conditions (#174409).

 * Eric with Ruby project and Daniel Sheppard with Groovy project share similar problem. Their _IDEs get locked_ for couple seconds typically when _code completion_ window is about to show up. It looks like all scripting languages are affected by this performance problem, because #174627 was originally reported against PHP sources.

 * German developers obviously think similarly ;-) since Dennis Kühn requested that _Fix Imports_ should remove unknown imports while same issue (#122658) was already reported by Georg Schmid. Fortunately this has been implemented ~2 weeks ago.

 * Some threads were dedicated to NetBeans plugins. Whereas it is still possible to install _GWT integration_ from Beta Update Center, _SOA functionality_ is no longer available.

 * Ulf Zibis complained about _resizing toolbars_ upon start of a debugging session. This [65cat] defect (#145207) is most probably in the NetBeans Core and it manifests itself after import of some old settings.

 * Daniel Sheppard asked for the same feature that Maven projects have: possibility to _re-run the project_ with a different set of parameters (#174386). Any supporters here?

3. *Bug hunting*

 * Stefan Wilfling got his _debugger into a weird state_ in 5 out of 7 sessions (#174849). We were able to reproduce it which lead to a prompt fix. This issue was also accepted as a 6.8 Beta showstopper. Good catch!

 * 10 NetCAT participants reported _CancelAbort exception_ which was typically thrown when opening a source file. This showstopper (#174362) with 150+ duplicates was hopefully fixed today.

 * Daniel Sheppard also discovered an _apparent deadlock_ (#174618) after only a few operations with the IDE. Luckily this P1 was already fixed on the submission day.

 * _Another deadlock_ (#174659) was submitted by Stefan Wilfling. It happened when breakpoint was set during classpath scanning but it was fixed quickly within ~1 hour. :-)

 * Few participants discussed recurring _out-of-date error badges_ but these defects are pretty hard to reproduce. :-( Neil Green's bug about missing error badge on a project with not compilable tests (#174636) was fixed yesterday. On the other hand, John Leed's bug for inconsistent errors in Editor (#174006) is still being investigated. Thanks John for your prompt cooperation on tracking this down so far!

 * Both Scott Palmer and Peter Nabbefeld are stuck as _JAX-WS plugin generates incompilable web services_ (#174557) because of an upgrade from version 2.1 to 2.2 but new library is not provided.

 * Best bug reporter of the previous week was again Eric Smith with 11 submitted issues.

4. *Statistics*

 Bugs submitted: 378 (+61)
 Open bugs:      184 (3/9/153/16/3)
 E-mails:        608 (+57)

Any ideas for the next status report? Let me know!

Best regards,
-Jirka

[Jiri Kovalsky]

Hello everyone,

Jiri Kovalsky wrote:

>   * Attention! NetBeans project will undergo the _biggest change of its
> infrastructure_ [1] since it has been open sourced ~10 years ago.
> Starting tomorrow we are going to migrate all bugs, mailing lists,
> users, projects, web, files and Wiki. The process will require several
> days so please bear with us during this period as many services will be
> down.
>
> [1] http://wiki.netbeans.org/NewNBOrg

   I have a very hot update on this item. It has been decided just a few hours ago to postpone this migration by 2 weeks due to the upcoming Beta release. So, new date is November 4th. The Wiki has been already updated. At least all of you are now familiar with this big milestone 2 weeks in advance. ;-)

I am sorry for this last minute notice and thank you for your understanding!

Best regards,
-Jirka

[Michael Bar-Sinai]

Is it just me, or is the latest build still 200910170201?

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Jiri Kovalsky <Jiri.Kovalsky@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,

Jiri Kovalsky wrote:

 * Attention! NetBeans project will undergo the _biggest change of its infrastructure_ [1] since it has been open sourced ~10 years ago. Starting tomorrow we are going to migrate all bugs, mailing lists, users, projects, web, files and Wiki. The process will require several days so please bear with us during this period as many services will be down.

[1] http://wiki.netbeans.org/NewNBOrg

 I have a very hot update on this item. It has been decided just a few hours ago to postpone this migration by 2 weeks due to the upcoming Beta release. So, new date is November 4th. The Wiki has been already updated. At least all of you are now familiar with this big milestone 2 weeks in advance. ;-)

I am sorry for this last minute notice and thank you for your understanding!

Best regards,
-Jirka

[Vojtech Sigler]

Yes, production builds tend to fail a lot nowadays (for the last month
or so) and the last successful is from saturday. I know it looks that
daily builds changed to sometimesly builds ;) , but I'm sure build
engineering is working on it.

Vojta


Michael Bar-sinai wrote:

> Is it just me, or is the latest build still 200910170201?
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Jiri Kovalsky <Jiri.Kovalsky@...
> <mailto:Jiri.Kovalsky@...>> wrote:
>
>     Hello everyone,
>
>
>     Jiri Kovalsky wrote:
>
>          * Attention! NetBeans project will undergo the _biggest
>         change of its infrastructure_ [1] since it has been open
>         sourced ~10 years ago. Starting tomorrow we are going to
>         migrate all bugs, mailing lists, users, projects, web, files
>         and Wiki. The process will require several days so please bear
>         with us during this period as many services will be down.
>
>         [1] http://wiki.netbeans.org/NewNBOrg
>
>
>      I have a very hot update on this item. It has been decided just a
>     few hours ago to postpone this migration by 2 weeks due to the
>     upcoming Beta release. So, new date is November 4th. The Wiki has
>     been already updated. At least all of you are now familiar with
>     this big milestone 2 weeks in advance. ;-)
>
>     I am sorry for this last minute notice and thank you for your
>     understanding!
>
>     Best regards,
>     -Jirka
>
>

[Michael Bar-Sinai]

Builds are like that, I believe we all know :-)
I was just eager to have the new fixes mentioned above.


--Michael

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Vojtech Sigler <Vojtech.Sigler@...> wrote:

Yes, production builds tend to fail a lot nowadays (for the last month or so) and the last successful is from saturday. I know it looks that daily builds changed to sometimesly builds ;) , but I'm sure build engineering is working on it.

Vojta


Michael Bar-sinai wrote:

Is it just me, or is the latest build still 200910170201?

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Jiri Kovalsky <Jiri.Kovalsky@... <mailto:Jiri.Kovalsky@...>> wrote:

   Hello everyone,


   Jiri Kovalsky wrote:

        * Attention! NetBeans project will undergo the _biggest
       change of its infrastructure_ [1] since it has been open
       sourced ~10 years ago. Starting tomorrow we are going to
       migrate all bugs, mailing lists, users, projects, web, files
       and Wiki. The process will require several days so please bear
       with us during this period as many services will be down.

       [1] http://wiki.netbeans.org/NewNBOrg


    I have a very hot update on this item. It has been decided just a
   few hours ago to postpone this migration by 2 weeks due to the
   upcoming Beta release. So, new date is November 4th. The Wiki has
   been already updated. At least all of you are now familiar with
   this big milestone 2 weeks in advance. ;-)

   I am sorry for this last minute notice and thank you for your
   understanding!

   Best regards,
   -Jirka

[Vojtech Sigler]

Well, you can always get the steaming hot latest (but no stability
guaranteed) from trunk builder on deadlock. ;)

http://deadlock.netbeans.org/hudson/job/trunk/ws/nbbuild/netbeans//*zip*/netbeans.zip

Just make sure the last build was successful and that there's no build
currently running since the above link does not point to latest
successful artifact, but to current workspace of the job. ;)

Vojta


Michael Bar-sinai wrote:

> Builds are like that, I believe we all know :-)
> I was just eager to have the new fixes mentioned above.
>
>
> --Michael
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Vojtech Sigler
> <Vojtech.Sigler@... <mailto:Vojtech.Sigler@...>> wrote:
>
>     Yes, production builds tend to fail a lot nowadays (for the last
>     month or so) and the last successful is from saturday. I know it
>     looks that daily builds changed to sometimesly builds ;) , but I'm
>     sure build engineering is working on it.
>
>     Vojta
>
>
>     Michael Bar-sinai wrote:
>
>         Is it just me, or is the latest build still 200910170201?
>
>         On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Jiri Kovalsky
>         <Jiri.Kovalsky@... <mailto:Jiri.Kovalsky@...>
>         <mailto:Jiri.Kovalsky@... <mailto:Jiri.Kovalsky@...>>>
>         wrote:
>
>            Hello everyone,
>
>
>            Jiri Kovalsky wrote:
>
>                 * Attention! NetBeans project will undergo the _biggest
>                change of its infrastructure_ [1] since it has been open
>                sourced ~10 years ago. Starting tomorrow we are going to
>                migrate all bugs, mailing lists, users, projects, web,
>         files
>                and Wiki. The process will require several days so
>         please bear
>                with us during this period as many services will be down.
>
>                [1] http://wiki.netbeans.org/NewNBOrg
>
>
>             I have a very hot update on this item. It has been decided
>         just a
>            few hours ago to postpone this migration by 2 weeks due to the
>            upcoming Beta release. So, new date is November 4th. The
>         Wiki has
>            been already updated. At least all of you are now familiar with
>            this big milestone 2 weeks in advance. ;-)
>
>            I am sorry for this last minute notice and thank you for your
>            understanding!
>
>            Best regards,
>            -Jirka
>
>
>
>

[Matthies, Niklas]

On Wed, 21. Oct 2009 01:31, Ulf Zibis wrote:
> Am 20.10.2009 21:33, Jiri Kovalsky schrieb:
:
> >   * German developers obviously think similarly ;-) since Dennis Kühn
> > requested that _Fix Imports_ should remove unknown imports while same
> > issue (#122658) was already reported by Georg Schmid. Fortunately this
> > has been implemented ~2 weeks ago.
>
> I'm the 3rd German thinking similarly ;-) See:
> http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=122109
> http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=161555
> http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=161557

Fourth: http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=150773 ;)

-- Niklas Matthies

[Matthies, Niklas]

On Tue, 20. Oct 2009 23:57, Nigel Leck wrote:
> For me the project scan is looking much better. I have had to
> remove the
> .netbeans/var/cache directory a couple of times as the lookup database
was
> corrupt. Should there be a way of kicking off a full scan via the UI ?
> deleting the cache directory is a bit of a hack.

There is already a mechanism that triggers a full rescan for a given
source root, see jlahoda's last comment in
http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=104665. This generally
helps, though maybe not always. I don't know if an explicit action could
do anything different than this already does.

-- Niklas Matthies

[Nigel Leck]

I read through that bug but could not see any way of manually kicking of a scan. The case I'm looking at is that the lookup database is corrupt and the IDE can't find a number of classes that are known to exist. Currently I just delete the cache directory and restart but young players aren't going to know how to do this.

[Jiri Kovalsky]

Hi Ulf,

Ulf Zibis wrote:

[snip]

>> Any ideas for the next status report? Let me know!
>
> File Status report in text + html format, so issue referrings could be
> included as clickable links.

I am sorry but it would be unfortunately against our own etiquette. Only HTML attachment would be OK.

[1] http://www.netbeans.org/community/lists/index.html#etiquette

-Jirka

[Matthies, Niklas]

On Tue, 27. Oct 2009 12:45, Jiri.Kovalsky@... wrote:
> Hi Ulf,
>
> Ulf Zibis wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > > Any ideas for the next status report? Let me know!
> >
> > File Status report in text + html format, so issue referrings could
be
> > included as clickable links.
>
> I am sorry but it would be unfortunately against our own
> etiquette. Only HTML attachment would be OK.

While I usually prefer plain text messages myself, I don't see what harm
multipart messages (dual plain text and HTML) would do. In fact, quite a
number of posters here send just that.

-- Niklas Matthies

[P.N.]

Jiri Kovalsky wrote:

> Hi Ulf,
>
> Ulf Zibis wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>> Any ideas for the next status report? Let me know!
>>
>> File Status report in text + html format, so issue referrings could be
>> included as clickable links.
>
> I am sorry but it would be unfortunately against our own etiquette. Only
> HTML attachment would be OK.
>
> [1] http://www.netbeans.org/community/lists/index.html#etiquette
>
> -Jirka
>

Don't know which client You're using - with Seamonkey I don't have any
problems with clicking on links for the browser to open.

Regards

Peter

[JonathanGlass]

I think the idea is that one never knows what different mail clients people use, and some clients mangle HTML, especially when messages are replied to.

 Jonathan



Don't know which client You're using - with Seamonkey I don't have any
problems with clicking on links for the browser to open.

Regards

Peter

[Ulf Zibis-2]

Is "Issue 123456" a real link ?
See original NetCAT Status Report - 5. ;-)

-Ulf


Am 27.10.2009 16:11, epdv schrieb:

> Jiri Kovalsky wrote:
>> Hi Ulf,
>>
>> Ulf Zibis wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>>> Any ideas for the next status report? Let me know!
>>>
>>> File Status report in text + html format, so issue referrings could be
>>> included as clickable links.
>>
>> I am sorry but it would be unfortunately against our own etiquette. Only
>> HTML attachment would be OK.
>>
>> [1] http://www.netbeans.org/community/lists/index.html#etiquette
>>
>> -Jirka
>>
> Don't know which client You're using - with Seamonkey I don't have any
> problems with clicking on links for the browser to open.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
>
>

[P.N.]

Ulf Zibis wrote:
> Is "Issue 123456" a real link ?
> See original NetCAT Status Report - 5. ;-)
>
> -Ulf
>

Would it just be a link because HTML would be used?

Peter

>
> Am 27.10.2009 16:11, epdv schrieb:
>> Jiri Kovalsky wrote:
>>> Hi Ulf,
>>>
>>> Ulf Zibis wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>>> Any ideas for the next status report? Let me know!
>>>>
>>>> File Status report in text + html format, so issue referrings could be
>>>> included as clickable links.
>>>
>>> I am sorry but it would be unfortunately against our own etiquette. Only
>>> HTML attachment would be OK.
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.netbeans.org/community/lists/index.html#etiquette
>>>
>>> -Jirka
>>>
>> Don't know which client You're using - with Seamonkey I don't have any
>> problems with clicking on links for the browser to open.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>
>

[Jiri Kovalsky]

What do you mean? As far as I know there was no issue #123456 in the report #5.

-Jirka

Ulf Zibis wrote:

> Is "Issue 123456" a real link ?
> See original NetCAT Status Report - 5. ;-)
>
> -Ulf
>
> Am 27.10.2009 16:11, epdv schrieb:
>> Jiri Kovalsky wrote:
>>> Hi Ulf,
>>>
>>> Ulf Zibis wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>>> Any ideas for the next status report? Let me know!
>>>>
>>>> File Status report in text + html format, so issue referrings could be
>>>> included as clickable links.
>>>
>>> I am sorry but it would be unfortunately against our own etiquette. Only
>>> HTML attachment would be OK.
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.netbeans.org/community/lists/index.html#etiquette
>>>
>>> -Jirka
>>>
>> Don't know which client You're using - with Seamonkey I don't have any
>> problems with clicking on links for the browser to open.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Peter