[ANN] 4D Announces 4D 2004.8

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4D Announces 4D 2004.8

4D is pleased to announce the release of 4D 2004.8 is now available.
Featuring almost 60 bug fixes, this maintenance release will be the last
for the 4D 2004 product line.

Final 4D 2004 Release

As future development now shifts to 4D v11 SQL, this will be the final
release of the 4D 2004 product line and it will transition to the
"Sunset" phase of its lifecycle. This means that there will be no
additional development, bug fixes or any certification/adaptation for
future operating systems.

Current 4D customers can download 4D 2004.8 as a free download. A
detailed bug fix list and updated documentation are also available with
the download from: http://www.4d.com/products/downloads_4d.html

4D 2004 Sunset Options

As 4D 2004 moves into Sunset, this is the time to consider an upgrade.
We strongly urge you to move from 4D 2004 to the 4D v11 SQL product
line. 4D v11 SQL has proven to be a powerful and robust solution (check
out our latest success stories at
http://www.4d.com/solutions/success.html) that will allow you take
advantage of new operating systems such as Windows 7 and MAC OS X Snow
Leopard. Upgrading now also ensures that your data will continue to run
on the fastest and most feature-complete 4D software ever. Learn more
about 4D v11 SQL at http://www.4d.com/products/4Dv11SQLr4.html.

If short-term restrictions require you to maintain 4D 2004, we suggest
that you purchase additional 4D 2004 licenses now to take advantage of
the current price. We will be increasing the price of 4D 2004 in the
near future.

Contact 4D Sales at sales@... or 1-800-785-3303 to discuss your
business needs and how upgrading to 4D v11 SQL may be your best option.

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[Nils Kollandsrud]

Hmm, so no additional development/support is increasing the cost of
providing license numbers?

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:08 AM, 4D News<4DListAdmin@...> wrote:

> As future development now shifts to 4D v11 SQL, this will be the final
> release of the 4D 2004 product line and it will transition to the "Sunset"
> phase of its lifecycle. This means that there will be no additional
> development, bug fixes or any certification/adaptation for future operating
> systems.
>
> If short-term restrictions require you to maintain 4D 2004, we suggest that
> you purchase additional 4D 2004 licenses now to take advantage of the
> current price. We will be increasing the price of 4D 2004 in the near
> future.

--
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Ixmal Intelesis as, Karenslyst Alle 2, Postboks 527 Skoyen, 0214 Oslo, Norway
Tel: [phone] Fax: [phone] Mob: [phone]
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[Douglas von Roeder]

That which has a value has a price.

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On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Nils Kollandsrud <nilskoll@...>wrote:

> Hmm, so no additional development/support is increasing the cost of
> providing license numbers?
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:08 AM, 4D News<4DListAdmin@...> wrote:
> > As future development now shifts to 4D v11 SQL, this will be the final
> > release of the 4D 2004 product line and it will transition to the
> "Sunset"
> > phase of its lifecycle. This means that there will be no additional
> > development, bug fixes or any certification/adaptation for future
> operating
> > systems.
> >
> > If short-term restrictions require you to maintain 4D 2004, we suggest
> that
> > you purchase additional 4D 2004 licenses now to take advantage of the
> > current price. We will be increasing the price of 4D 2004 in the near
> > future.
>
> --
> Nils Kollandsrud
> Ixmal Intelesis as, Karenslyst Alle 2, Postboks 527 Skoyen, 0214 Oslo,
> Norway
> Tel: [phone] Fax: [phone] Mob: [phone]
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[Alexander Heintz]

The only person left in the company that still knows how to create  
2004 Licenses is getting older as well and propably just received an  
age triggered pay rise, also the company has to provide for geriatric  
support so, yes, the higher price is justified by rising costs.

> Hmm, so no additional development/support is increasing the cost of
> providing license numbers?
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:08 AM, 4D News<4DListAdmin@...> wrote:
>> As future development now shifts to 4D v11 SQL, this will be the  
>> final
>> release of the 4D 2004 product line and it will transition to the  
>> "Sunset"
>> phase of its lifecycle. This means that there will be no additional
>> development, bug fixes or any certification/adaptation for future  
>> operating
>> systems.
>>
>> If short-term restrictions require you to maintain 4D 2004, we  
>> suggest that
>> you purchase additional 4D 2004 licenses now to take advantage of the
>> current price. We will be increasing the price of 4D 2004 in the near
>> future.
>
> --
> Nils Kollandsrud
> Ixmal Intelesis as, Karenslyst Alle 2, Postboks 527 Skoyen, 0214  
> Oslo, Norway
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[psmith-3]

Does it therefore hold that that which has a price has value?


On 30 juin 2009, at 20:53, Douglas von Roeder <dvonroeder@...>  
wrote:

> That which has a value has a price.
>
> --
> Douglas von Roeder
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Nils Kollandsrud  
> <nilskoll@...>wrote:
>
>> Hmm, so no additional development/support is increasing the cost of
>> providing license numbers?
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:08 AM, 4D News<4DListAdmin@...> wrote:
>>> As future development now shifts to 4D v11 SQL, this will be the  
>>> final
>>> release of the 4D 2004 product line and it will transition to the
>> "Sunset"
>>> phase of its lifecycle. This means that there will be no additional
>>> development, bug fixes or any certification/adaptation for future
>> operating
>>> systems.
>>>
>>> If short-term restrictions require you to maintain 4D 2004, we  
>>> suggest
>> that
>>> you purchase additional 4D 2004 licenses now to take advantage of  
>>> the
>>> current price. We will be increasing the price of 4D 2004 in the  
>>> near
>>> future.
>>
>> --
>> Nils Kollandsrud
>> Ixmal Intelesis as, Karenslyst Alle 2, Postboks 527 Skoyen, 0214  
>> Oslo,
>> Norway
>> Tel: [phone] Fax: [phone] Mob: [phone]
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[Douglas von Roeder]

The selling price defines its value. Asking price…not so much.

A sterling example of this is the "appraised price" of a diamond.

"It was appraised at $7,000 and I talked him down to $4,000!"
"Oh, that's quite something."

--
Douglas von Roeder


On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:22 PM, psmith <psmith@...> wrote:

> Does it therefore hold that that which has a price has value?
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[psmith-3]

So, if the asking price is too high and the seller won't negotiate,  
what do you get?

Product priced out of the market.

All well and good. It is much too soon to be forcing migration to v11  
by artificially hiking the price of 2004.

Yet, that's what will happen.

On 30 juin 2009, at 21:40, Douglas von Roeder <dvonroeder@...>  
wrote:

> The selling price defines its value. Asking price…not so much.
>
> A sterling example of this is the "appraised price" of a diamond.
>
> "It was appraised at $7,000 and I talked him down to $4,000!"
> "Oh, that's quite something."
>
> --
> Douglas von Roeder
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:22 PM, psmith <psmith@...> wrote:
>
>> Does it therefore hold that that which has a price has value?
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[Nigel Greenlee]

The people in government  have their price..not sure if they have  
values...

oh we are going right off topic now.....

On 30 Jun 2009, at 20:22, psmith wrote:

> Does it therefore hold that that which has a price has value?
>
>
> On 30 juin 2009, at 20:53, Douglas von Roeder <dvonroeder@...>  
> wrote:
>
>> That which has a value has a price.
>>
>> --
>> Douglas von Roeder
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Nils Kollandsrud <nilskoll@...
>> >wrote:
>>
>>> Hmm, so no additional development/support is increasing the cost of
>>> providing license numbers?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:08 AM, 4D News<4DListAdmin@...> wrote:
>>>> As future development now shifts to 4D v11 SQL, this will be the  
>>>> final
>>>> release of the 4D 2004 product line and it will transition to the
>>> "Sunset"
>>>> phase of its lifecycle. This means that there will be no additional
>>>> development, bug fixes or any certification/adaptation for future
>>> operating
>>>> systems.
>>>>
>>>> If short-term restrictions require you to maintain 4D 2004, we  
>>>> suggest
>>> that
>>>> you purchase additional 4D 2004 licenses now to take advantage of  
>>>> the
>>>> current price. We will be increasing the price of 4D 2004 in the  
>>>> near
>>>> future.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Nils Kollandsrud
>>> Ixmal Intelesis as, Karenslyst Alle 2, Postboks 527 Skoyen, 0214  
>>> Oslo,
>>> Norway
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