[ANNOUNCE] New Shale PMC Chair

[Greg Reddin-4]

In its meeting yesterday the Apache Board of Directors unanimously
approved a resolution naming Gary VanMatre the new chair of the Apache
Shale Project Management Committee.  Please join us in congratulating
Gary for this new role.

In addition we would like to publicly thank Craig McClanahan for his
service to this project and his invaluable contribution to the Java
web application development community. We are endlessly grateful to
him for his role in defining the JavaServer Faces framework and, more
specifically, in birthing the Shale project. It is no small loss to
this community that his work has made it difficult for him to be as
involved as he once was. At his own request, Craig is now an emeritus
member of the Shale PMC.

Thank you,
Greg Reddin
Apache Shale PMC Member

[kito99]

Excellent news. Congrats, Gary!

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Reddin [mailto:gredbug@...]
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 10:41 AM
> To: user@...; dev@...
> Subject: [ANNOUNCE] New Shale PMC Chair
>
> In its meeting yesterday the Apache Board of Directors unanimously
> approved a resolution naming Gary VanMatre the new chair of the Apache
> Shale Project Management Committee.  Please join us in congratulating
> Gary for this new role.
>
> In addition we would like to publicly thank Craig McClanahan for his
> service to this project and his invaluable contribution to the Java
> web application development community. We are endlessly grateful to
> him for his role in defining the JavaServer Faces framework and, more
> specifically, in birthing the Shale project. It is no small loss to
> this community that his work has made it difficult for him to be as
> involved as he once was. At his own request, Craig is now an emeritus
> member of the Shale PMC.
>
> Thank you,
> Greg Reddin
> Apache Shale PMC Member

[Niall Pemberton-2]

Congratulations Gary :)

Niall

On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Greg Reddin <gredbug@...> wrote:

> In its meeting yesterday the Apache Board of Directors unanimously
>  approved a resolution naming Gary VanMatre the new chair of the Apache
>  Shale Project Management Committee.  Please join us in congratulating
>  Gary for this new role.
>
>  In addition we would like to publicly thank Craig McClanahan for his
>  service to this project and his invaluable contribution to the Java
>  web application development community. We are endlessly grateful to
>  him for his role in defining the JavaServer Faces framework and, more
>  specifically, in birthing the Shale project. It is no small loss to
>  this community that his work has made it difficult for him to be as
>  involved as he once was. At his own request, Craig is now an emeritus
>  member of the Shale PMC.
>
>  Thank you,
>  Greg Reddin
>  Apache Shale PMC Member
>

[mario.buonopane]

Congrats Gary! I hope Shale restart the development.

Mario

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Reddin [mailto:gredbug@...]
Sent: 20 marzo 2008 15.41
To: user@...; dev@...
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] New Shale PMC Chair

In its meeting yesterday the Apache Board of Directors unanimously
approved a resolution naming Gary VanMatre the new chair of the Apache
Shale Project Management Committee.  Please join us in congratulating
Gary for this new role.

In addition we would like to publicly thank Craig McClanahan for his
service to this project and his invaluable contribution to the Java
web application development community. We are endlessly grateful to
him for his role in defining the JavaServer Faces framework and, more
specifically, in birthing the Shale project. It is no small loss to
this community that his work has made it difficult for him to be as
involved as he once was. At his own request, Craig is now an emeritus
member of the Shale PMC.

Thank you,
Greg Reddin
Apache Shale PMC Member



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[Hermod Opstvedt]

Congratulations, Gary - Keep up the good work for the community.

Hermod

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Fra: Greg Reddin [mailto:gredbug@...]
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Emne: [ANNOUNCE] New Shale PMC Chair

In its meeting yesterday the Apache Board of Directors unanimously approved
a resolution naming Gary VanMatre the new chair of the Apache Shale Project
Management Committee.  Please join us in congratulating Gary for this new
role.

In addition we would like to publicly thank Craig McClanahan for his service
to this project and his invaluable contribution to the Java web application
development community. We are endlessly grateful to him for his role in
defining the JavaServer Faces framework and, more specifically, in birthing
the Shale project. It is no small loss to this community that his work has
made it difficult for him to be as involved as he once was. At his own
request, Craig is now an emeritus member of the Shale PMC.

Thank you,
Greg Reddin
Apache Shale PMC Member

[Gary%20VanMatre]

>From: <mario.buonopane@...>
>
> Congrats Gary! I hope Shale restart the development.
>

Yeah, I have a few new Clay ideas but all are JSF 1.2ish.
   * Refactor clay config beans with interfaces and impl.  Way back I started looking at using JPA entity beans to define clay configs.  My hope was to make the entity beans implement common interfaces making them config beans.
   * Custom EL function support.
   * Defining template config using annotations.

I sorta lost momentum with the popularity of facelets and JSF 2.0 planning.  I think the last Clay feature that I added was metadata to represent the java final modifier [1].

The template "inheritance", symbols and pre-htmlx support are really the only unique features over the others (facelets & JSF templating) and they are now the de facto standard.  

[1] https://issues.apache.org/struts/browse/SHALE-353


Gary

> Mario
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Reddin [mailto:gredbug@...]
> Sent: 20 marzo 2008 15.41
> To: user@...; dev@...
> Subject: [ANNOUNCE] New Shale PMC Chair
>
> In its meeting yesterday the Apache Board of Directors unanimously
> approved a resolution naming Gary VanMatre the new chair of the Apache
> Shale Project Management Committee. Please join us in congratulating
> Gary for this new role.
>
> In addition we would like to publicly thank Craig McClanahan for his
> service to this project and his invaluable contribution to the Java
> web application development community. We are endlessly grateful to
> him for his role in defining the JavaServer Faces framework and, more
> specifically, in birthing the Shale project. It is no small loss to
> this community that his work has made it difficult for him to be as
> involved as he once was. At his own request, Craig is now an emeritus
> member of the Shale PMC.
>
> Thank you,
> Greg Reddin
> Apache Shale PMC Member
>
>
>
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[Bernhard Slominski]

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Gary VanMatre [mailto:gvanmatre@...]
> Gesendet: Montag, 24. März 2008 19:31
> An: user@...
> Betreff: RE: [ANNOUNCE] New Shale PMC Chair
>
>
> >From: <mario.buonopane@...>
> >
> > Congrats Gary! I hope Shale restart the development.
> >
>
> Yeah, I have a few new Clay ideas but all are JSF 1.2ish.

I also hope that Shale has some future (that were my last words at the JSF days presentation about Shale: It's not yet dead !).
For the Clay vs. Facelets: I think one major problem is really the confusing naming (HTML, full HTML, full XML ...) and documentation of Clay, there should be put some effort in there.

Bernhard

[Gary%20VanMatre]

>From: "Bernhard Slominski" <bernhard.slominski@...>
>
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Gary VanMatre [mailto:gvanmatre@...]
> > Gesendet: Montag, 24. März 2008 19:31
> > An: user@...
> > Betreff: RE: [ANNOUNCE] New Shale PMC Chair
> >
> >
> > >From:
> > >
> > > Congrats Gary! I hope Shale restart the development.
> > >
> >
> > Yeah, I have a few new Clay ideas but all are JSF 1.2ish.
>
> I also hope that Shale has some future (that were my last words at the JSF days
> presentation about Shale: It's not yet dead !).
> For the Clay vs. Facelets: I think one major problem is really the confusing
> naming (HTML, full HTML, full XML ...) and documentation of Clay, there should
> be put some effort in there.
>

Good point.  Bad terms with probably too many options.  Clay can be used with JSP or as a page entry point like facelets.  The template can be non-xhtml, xhtml or an abstract reference defined in XML that doesn't correspond to a physical resource similar to tiles.  The templates can be loaded from the context root or from the classpath.  Clay templates allow inheritance in addition to composition.

Many have told me that Facelets has clearly won and we should just try to help them out.... JSF 2 will be featured from facelets.




> Bernhard


Gary

[Greg Reddin-4]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Gary VanMatre <gvanmatre@...> wrote:
>
>  Many have told me that Facelets has clearly won and we should just try to help them out.... JSF 2 will be featured from facelets.

Yeah, but... Many have also complained that there hasn't been much
movement in Facelets of late and the project has been hard to get
into, so maybe... :-)

Greg

[Tomasz Pasierb]

Gary VanMatre wrote:
> Many have told me that Facelets has clearly won and we should just try
> to help them out.... JSF 2 will be featured from facelets.

Gary, are you saying that you're thinking about stopping the development
of clay? Should we switch to facelets?

Regadrds,
Tom

[Gary%20VanMatre]

>From: Tomasz Pasierb <tompasik@...>
>
> Gary VanMatre wrote:
> > Many have told me that Facelets has clearly won and we should just try
> > to help them out.... JSF 2 will be featured from facelets.
>
> Gary, are you saying that you're thinking about stopping the development
> of clay? Should we switch to facelets?
>

When JSF 2 is released, it might be worth looking into the new page definition languange (PDL).  In terms of new clay developement, that will depend on the community.  I've not had a chance to use Clay outside of just building it.  Ryan and others pushed for many of the features.

 
> Regadrds,
> Tom

Gary