[Bug 211192] New: Wrong arrows used for RTL languages

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[Bug 211192] New: Wrong arrows used for RTL languages

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           Summary: Wrong arrows used for RTL languages
           Product: kget
           Version: unspecified
          Platform: SuSE RPMs
        OS/Version: unspecified
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: NOR
         Component: general
        AssignedTo: kget@...
        ReportedBy: zayed.alsaidi@...


Version:            (using KDE 4.3.1)
Installed from:    SuSE RPMs

Kget uses right arrows in RTL mode (see the attached screenshot). Kget should
use left arrows instead.

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[Bug 211192] Wrong arrows used for RTL languages

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--- Comment #1 from Zayed Al-Saidi <zayed alsaidi gmail com>  2009-10-20 12:54:28 ---
Created an attachment (id=37683)
 --> (http://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=37683)
wrong arrows used in RTL mode.


You can run kget in RTL mode by: kget -reverse

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[Bug 211192] Wrong arrows used for RTL languages

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[Bug 211192] Wrong arrows used for RTL languages

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--- Comment #2 from Matthias Fuchs <mat69 gmx net>  2009-11-11 02:33:29 ---
Is there any KDE application that correctly uses these arrows, so that I could
take a look at the way they solved it? As it should be a nice solution and not
a hack.
Additionally is the play arrow in languages that are RTL also from RTL?

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[Bug 211192] Wrong arrows used for RTL languages

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--- Comment #3 from Zayed Al-Saidi <zayed alsaidi gmail com>  2009-11-11 07:46:25 ---
(In reply to comment #2)
> Is there any KDE application that correctly uses these arrows, so that I could
> take a look at the way they solved it? As it should be a nice solution and not
> a hack.

Unfortunately, all the KDE programs that I see do not use these arrows
correctly. It is common problem. Kaffeine, Dragon, Amarok, and kdenlive all of
them suffer from this problem.

> Additionally is the play arrow in languages that are RTL also from RTL?

Yes, it is. It is simply in RTL languages, we start from right to left.

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[Bug 211192] Wrong arrows used for RTL languages

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--- Comment #4 from Matthias Fuchs <mat69 gmx net>  2009-11-11 14:17:42 ---
And what is with the check mark [1] should it also be mirrored?

[1] http://mat69.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/signature.png next to Verified

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--- Comment #5 from Zayed Al-Saidi <zayed alsaidi gmail com>  2009-11-11 14:34:44 ---
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> And what is with the check mark [1] should it also be mirrored?
>
> [1] http://mat69.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/signature.png next to Verified

It does not need to be mirrored.

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[Bug 211192] Wrong arrows used for RTL languages

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--- Comment #6 from Anne-Marie Mahfouf <annma kde org>  2009-11-11 14:48:50 ---
Zayed, this is not a KGet bug as other KDE apps have it. This means it's a
kdelibs bug.

We need a list for all icons/marks that should be reversed in any app, thanks.

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[Bug 211192] Wrong arrows used for RTL languages

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[Bug 211192] Wrong arrows used for RTL languages

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--- Comment #7 from Thiago Macieira <thiago kde org>  2009-11-11 15:01:03 ---
The black-and-white arrow is a "Play" arrow, which is the direction a tape
(cassette, VHS, etc.) turns. It should not change according to the language.
I'm pretty sure tapes turn in the same direction in Arabic-speaking countries.
Unless, of course, VCR makers decided to invert the arrows when creating
stickers and their OSD displays.

The green arrow is an expand-collapse arrow. That one should either be inverted
or use a different metaphor.

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[Bug 211192] Wrong arrows used for RTL languages

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--- Comment #8 from Zayed Al-Saidi <zayed alsaidi gmail com>  2009-11-11 18:55:58 ---
(In reply to comment #7)
> The black-and-white arrow is a "Play" arrow, which is the direction a tape
> (cassette, VHS, etc.) turns. It should not change according to the language.
> I'm pretty sure tapes turn in the same direction in Arabic-speaking countries.
> Unless, of course, VCR makers decided to invert the arrows when creating
> stickers and their OSD displays.

I agree with you on the "Play" arrow should be in the the direction a tape
turns but that for cassette,VHS, etc only and does not applicable for software.
Right now, I feel all the KDE applications are weird regarding this issue.
GNOME solves this issue. Please have a look on the attached screenshot below to
see how GNOME's applications put "play" icon in RTL mode.

From Stock Items Documentation "Stock icons may have a RTL variant which gets
used for right-to-left locales. "
http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/gtk-Stock-Items.html

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--- Comment #9 from Zayed Al-Saidi <zayed alsaidi gmail com>  2009-11-11 18:57:17 ---
Created an attachment (id=38265)
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GTK+ applection in RTL mode

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[Bug 211192] Wrong arrows used for RTL languages

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--- Comment #10 from Markus S. <kamikazow web de>  2009-11-12 10:49:36 ---
(In reply to comment #7)
> The black-and-white arrow is a "Play" arrow, which is the direction a tape
> (cassette, VHS, etc.) turns. It should not change according to the language.

No matter how it's been in the 1980s, the position slider moves from right to
left in Dragon Player when in RTL mode.

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--- Comment #11 from Zayed Al-Saidi <zayed alsaidi gmail com>  2009-11-12 11:18:59 ---
(In reply to comment #6)
> Zayed, this is not a KGet bug as other KDE apps have it. This means it's a
> kdelibs bug.
>
> We need a list for all icons/marks that should be reversed in any app, thanks.

From http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/gtk-Stock-Items.html

We need these:
goto-first
goto-last
go-back
go-forward
indent
unindent
jump-to
media-forward
media-next
media-play
media-previous
media-rewind
redo
revert-to-saved
undelete
undo

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[Bug 211192] Wrong arrows used for RTL languages

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--- Comment #12 from Christoph Feck <christoph maxiom de>  2009-11-12 22:16:15 ---
I think there should be icons such as "media-play-rtl" etc. which are mirrored
and used for RTL mode. We could also mirror them algorithmically, but that
would also mirror any light direction in case light/shadow effects are applied
to the icons. More work for Nuno :)

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