[Bug 212922] New: Import QIF - Security - Can't Edit/Delete

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=212922

           Summary: Import QIF - Security - Can't Edit/Delete
           Product: kmymoney2
           Version: unspecified
          Platform: openSUSE RPMs
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: UNCONFIRMED
          Severity: normal
          Priority: NOR
         Component: general
        AssignedTo: kmymoney2-developer@...
        ReportedBy: asemann@...


Version:           1.02.42 (using KDE 4.3.2)
OS:                Linux
Installed from:    openSUSE RPMs

Hi,

I'm newly user of KMM and it's great.
I import QIF files (from Quicken 2009) but I report a bug about Investment
account.
Probably I accept too quickly imported data and in one of an Investment
account, I've got 4 transactions imported that I can't edit or delete.
When I'm over one of this transaction, buttons available are : new / move to /
mark as / matching to brokerage account. Moving/marking commands work.
Total and value is correct.
When I go to matching "brokerage account" I don't have more actions.

Downgrading KMM to 0.9.3, it's very similar but I can't move or mark
transaction and I have delete button (with error closed "account ...398").

Another bug, I have three brokerage accounts and no one of these accounts share
securities of other accounts. And QIF import created another securities. For
example I have six times "duplicate" securities.
Imported securities can't be edited or deleted, other works fine.

Thanks for your help

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--- Comment #1 from Alvaro Soliverez <asoliverez gmail com>  2009-11-03 15:57:46 ---
First, check that the account is not closed. Then check the opening date of the
account and make sure it is correct and the transaction date is not prior to
the opening date.

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[allan anderson]

William wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> Another bug, I have three brokerage accounts and no one of these accounts share
> securities of other accounts. And QIF import created another securities. For
> example I have six times "duplicate" securities.
> Imported securities can't be edited or deleted, other works fine.
>
> Thanks for your help
>

I believe this is a 'feature' of KMM that I have reported a couple of
times.  Assuming the extra accounts are empty, just delete them.  Your
investment details should, hopefully be in one of the other accounts.

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--- Comment #2 from William <asemann orange fr>  2009-11-03 16:23:35 ---
Hi,

I've already checked for transaction date.
I don't know how to check closed account, but I think account isn't closed
because I can write transactions on this account and brokerage at the same
date.

As I can't modify these data, I recorded new transactions and copied these
"bugged" data in same account (no problem for recording it) -but- I had to
create security.
I think it's a part of this problem - transaction was firstly accepted without
a "valid" security.

Regards

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--- Comment #3 from William <asemann orange fr>  2009-11-05 11:02:25 ---
With yours informations, I think I can't modify some transactions because after
importing QIF files :
- I rename some accounts ;
- and delete other accounts.
Unmodifiable transactions must have reference to "old" account (I don't have
closed account).

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Hi,

Sorry for the misunderstood. I have the investment details in account.
For example if I have in all investment accounts security like "Google", I have to create, download quotes for three securities "Google". That's why I told that securities aren't shared within different accounts.
Moreover this, after importing QIF Files, my list of securities in "Tools -> Securities" have three times more "Google". And even if no transaction pointed to this security I can't delete this.
Merging similar securities should be great.

Thanks.

> Message du 03/11/09 16:53
> De : "allan"
> A : asemann@..., kmymoney2-developer@...
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> Objet : Re: [Kmymoney2-developer] [Bug 212922] New: Import QIF - Security - Can't Edit/Delete
>
>
> William wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > Another bug, I have three brokerage accounts and no one of these accounts share
> > securities of other accounts. And QIF import created another securities. For
> > example I have six times "duplicate" securities.
> > Imported securities can't be edited or deleted, other works fine.
> >
> > Thanks for your help
> >
>
> I believe this is a 'feature' of KMM that I have reported a couple of
> times. Assuming the extra accounts are empty, just delete them. Your
> investment details should, hopefully be in one of the other accounts.
>
> Allan
>
>

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[allan anderson]

SEAsemann wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Sorry for the misunderstood. I have the investment details in account.
> For example if I have in all investment accounts security like "Google", I have to create, download quotes for three securities "Google". That's why I told that securities aren't shared within different accounts.
> Moreover this, after importing QIF Files, my list of securities in "Tools -> Securities" have three times more "Google". And even if no transaction pointed to this security I can't delete this.
> Merging similar securities should be great.
>
> Thanks.
>
>> Message du 03/11/09 16:53
>> De : "allan"
>> A : asemann@..., kmymoney2-developer@...
>> Copie à :
>> Objet : Re: [Kmymoney2-developer] [Bug 212922] New: Import QIF - Security - Can't Edit/Delete
>>
>>
>> William wrote:
>>> Another bug, I have three brokerage accounts and no one of these accounts share
>>> securities of other accounts. And QIF import created another securities. For
>>> example I have six times "duplicate" securities.
>>> Imported securities can't be edited or deleted, other works fine.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help
>>>
>> I believe this is a 'feature' of KMM that I have reported a couple of
>> times. Assuming the extra accounts are empty, just delete them. Your
>> investment details should, hopefully be in one of the other accounts.
>>
>> Allan
>>
>>
>
>

Hi

To be sure I'm understanding correctly, as there seem to be a number of
issues here, I'll list them here, as I see them:-

a)  You have a security such as Google, which you have in more than one
account, and the security appears that many times in the securities
list.  Even if there are no transactions, the transaction list does not
allow you to delete them.  From what I see, you can only delete a
security from the list if you delete the corresponding investment in
Investment view.  But, are you saying you want to have one single
security appear in more than one account?  I'm not sure this is possible
at the moment.  If this is what you want, I'd suggest putting in a
'Feature Request'.  I think it may have been requested already.

b) 'And QIF import created another securities. For example I have six
times "duplicate" securities.'  I've seen and reported duplicate
accounts being created during qif import.  I'll do some more checking
and I'll file a bug report.

Allan

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[Alvaro Soliverez]

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 8:53 AM, allan <aganderson@...> wrote:

a)  You have a security such as Google, which you have in more than one
account, and the security appears that many times in the securities
list.  Even if there are no transactions, the transaction list does not
allow you to delete them.  From what I see, you can only delete a
security from the list if you delete the corresponding investment in
Investment view.  But, are you saying you want to have one single
security appear in more than one account?  I'm not sure this is possible
at the moment.  If this is what you want, I'd suggest putting in a
'Feature Request'.  I think it may have been requested already.

To make a clarification, you can share stocks among investment account.
You have to enter the stock in the second investment account as if it were a new one, but use the same symbol as the existing stock.
You will get a dialog asking whether you want to share it, and that's it. Not exactly obvious, but the feature is there, at least in the latest versions.

Regards,
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[Thomas Baumgart]

Hi,

on Thursday 05 November 2009 Alvaro Soliverez wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 8:53 AM, allan <aganderson@...> wrote:
> > a)  You have a security such as Google, which you have in more than one
> > account, and the security appears that many times in the securities
> > list.  Even if there are no transactions, the transaction list does not
> > allow you to delete them.  From what I see, you can only delete a
> > security from the list if you delete the corresponding investment in
> > Investment view.  But, are you saying you want to have one single
> > security appear in more than one account?  I'm not sure this is possible
> > at the moment.  If this is what you want, I'd suggest putting in a
> > 'Feature Request'.  I think it may have been requested already.
>
> To make a clarification, you can share stocks among investment account.
> You have to enter the stock in the second investment account as if it were
>  a new one, but use the same symbol as the existing stock.
> You will get a dialog asking whether you want to share it, and that's it.
> Not exactly obvious, but the feature is there, at least in the latest
> versions.

Still, importing from QIF might be different as it is an automated process.
The part that Alvaro describes is the manual creation of securities.


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[allan anderson]

Alvaro Soliverez wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 8:53 AM, allan <aganderson@...
> <mailto:aganderson@...>> wrote:
>
>
>
>     a)  You have a security such as Google, which you have in more than one
>     account, and the security appears that many times in the securities
>     list.  Even if there are no transactions, the transaction list does not
>     allow you to delete them.  From what I see, you can only delete a
>     security from the list if you delete the corresponding investment in
>     Investment view.  But, are you saying you want to have one single
>     security appear in more than one account?  I'm not sure this is possible
>     at the moment.  If this is what you want, I'd suggest putting in a
>     'Feature Request'.  I think it may have been requested already.
>
>
> To make a clarification, you can share stocks among investment account.
> You have to enter the stock in the second investment account as if it
> were a new one, but use the same symbol as the existing stock.
> You will get a dialog asking whether you want to share it, and that's
> it. Not exactly obvious, but the feature is there, at least in the
> latest versions.
>
> Regards,
> Alvaro
>

Ah, Ok Alvaro, thanks for that.  I knew it had been mentioned recently,
but couldn't find 'Feature Requests'!

This was from a qif import so the new method won't apply, but may help
in editing subsequently.

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--- Comment #4 from William <asemann orange fr>  2009-11-05 14:31:27 ---
I try something that resolve the problem.

I create a new account, move all transactions to the new account. The old
account without any transaction show a value different from 0 which is
incorrect.
I save my data, close KMM and launch again KMM.
Old account is with a value of 0 - I delete it.
In the new account, I can edit transactions which were "bugged".

That's all fine. Thanks

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I'm using KMM 1.02.42-1 which I think is the latest stable version.
I had already try this method and I make it again after reading this mail.
I create a security - exactly similar to a security in an another investment account (with upper caps and lower letters...) same symbol, same market, same fraction... I don't have any box or choice for sharing security between accounts.

> Alvaro Soliverez wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 8:53 AM, allan  > > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > a) You have a security such as Google, which you have in more than one
> > account, and the security appears that many times in the securities
> > list. Even if there are no transactions, the transaction list does not
> > allow you to delete them. From what I see, you can only delete a
> > security from the list if you delete the corresponding investment in
> > Investment view. But, are you saying you want to have one single
> > security appear in more than one account? I'm not sure this is possible
> > at the moment. If this is what you want, I'd suggest putting in a
> > 'Feature Request'. I think it may have been requested already.
> >
> >
> > To make a clarification, you can share stocks among investment account.
> > You have to enter the stock in the second investment account as if it
> > were a new one, but use the same symbol as the existing stock.
> > You will get a dialog asking whether you want to share it, and that's
> > it. Not exactly obvious, but the feature is there, at least in the
> > latest versions.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Alvaro
> >
>
> Ah, Ok Alvaro, thanks for that. I knew it had been mentioned recently,
> but couldn't find 'Feature Requests'!
>
> This was from a qif import so the new method won't apply, but may help
> in editing subsequently.
>
> allan
>
>

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[Thomas Baumgart]

Hi,

on Thursday 05 November 2009 Asemann wrote:


> I'm using KMM 1.02.42-1 which I think is the latest stable version.

Yep.

> I had already try this method and I make it again after reading this mail.
> I create a security - exactly similar to a security in an another
>  investment account (with upper caps and lower letters...) same symbol,
>  same market, same fraction... I don't have any box or choice for sharing
>  security between accounts.

Exactly or similar?

Once you create a new investment in a different account, enter the trading
symbol (first item on the Investment details page of the New investment
wizard) and leave it (either by pressing TAB or using the mouse to move the
focus to the next field, a dialog pops up with the following text (in the
original version):

The selected symbol is already on file. Do you want to reuse the existing
security?

>
> > Alvaro Soliverez wrote:
> > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 8:53 AM, allan  > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > a) You have a security such as Google, which you have in more than one
> > > account, and the security appears that many times in the securities
> > > list. Even if there are no transactions, the transaction list does not
> > > allow you to delete them. From what I see, you can only delete a
> > > security from the list if you delete the corresponding investment in
> > > Investment view. But, are you saying you want to have one single
> > > security appear in more than one account? I'm not sure this is possible
> > > at the moment. If this is what you want, I'd suggest putting in a
> > > 'Feature Request'. I think it may have been requested already.
> > >
> > >
> > > To make a clarification, you can share stocks among investment account.
> > > You have to enter the stock in the second investment account as if it
> > > were a new one, but use the same symbol as the existing stock.
> > > You will get a dialog asking whether you want to share it, and that's
> > > it. Not exactly obvious, but the feature is there, at least in the
> > > latest versions.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Alvaro
> >
> > Ah, Ok Alvaro, thanks for that. I knew it had been mentioned recently,
> > but couldn't find 'Feature Requests'!
> >
> > This was from a qif import so the new method won't apply, but may help
> > in editing subsequently.
> >
> > allan
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Ok thanks for this information. It was "exactly" (and not similar).

I found the "sharing" dialog box, not easily.
Like you instructed, I use only the symbol (first item), wipe all other items, typing TAB over all items/buttons once and it seems that is the twice passage over the second item (name) is the clack.
First attempt, freeze totally KMM. Second attempt was successful.

Is there tips for existing securities ? Or for sharing by default all securities ?

> Message du 05/11/09 15:09
> De : "Thomas Baumgart"
> A : kmymoney2-developer@..., "Asemann"
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>
> Hi,
>
> on Thursday 05 November 2009 Asemann wrote:
>
>
> > I'm using KMM 1.02.42-1 which I think is the latest stable version.
>
> Yep.
>
> > I had already try this method and I make it again after reading this mail.
> > I create a security - exactly similar to a security in an another
> > investment account (with upper caps and lower letters...) same symbol,
> > same market, same fraction... I don't have any box or choice for sharing
> > security between accounts.
>
> Exactly or similar?
>
> Once you create a new investment in a different account, enter the trading
> symbol (first item on the Investment details page of the New investment
> wizard) and leave it (either by pressing TAB or using the mouse to move the
> focus to the next field, a dialog pops up with the following text (in the
> original version):
>
> The selected symbol is already on file. Do you want to reuse the existing
> security?
>
>
> >
> > > Alvaro Soliverez wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 8:53 AM, allan > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > a) You have a security such as Google, which you have in more than one
> > > > account, and the security appears that many times in the securities
> > > > list. Even if there are no transactions, the transaction list does not
> > > > allow you to delete them. From what I see, you can only delete a
> > > > security from the list if you delete the corresponding investment in
> > > > Investment view. But, are you saying you want to have one single
> > > > security appear in more than one account? I'm not sure this is possible
> > > > at the moment. If this is what you want, I'd suggest putting in a
> > > > 'Feature Request'. I think it may have been requested already.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To make a clarification, you can share stocks among investment account.
> > > > You have to enter the stock in the second investment account as if it
> > > > were a new one, but use the same symbol as the existing stock.
> > > > You will get a dialog asking whether you want to share it, and that's
> > > > it. Not exactly obvious, but the feature is there, at least in the
> > > > latest versions.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Alvaro
> > >
> > > Ah, Ok Alvaro, thanks for that. I knew it had been mentioned recently,
> > > but couldn't find 'Feature Requests'!
> > >
> > > This was from a qif import so the new method won't apply, but may help
> > > in editing subsequently.
> > >
> > > allan
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[Thomas Baumgart]

Hi,

on Thursday 05 November 2009 Asemann wrote:


> Ok thanks for this information. It was "exactly" (and not similar).

I thought so.

> I found the "sharing" dialog box, not easily.
> Like you instructed, I use only the symbol (first item), wipe all other
>  items, typing TAB over all items/buttons once and it seems that is the
>  twice passage over the second item (name) is the clack. First attempt,
>  freeze totally KMM. Second attempt was successful.

Yes, it only pops up when no other field is filled. It differentiates between
adding a new investment and editing an existing one at this point.

> Is there tips for existing securities ? Or for sharing by default all
>  securities ?

Unfortunately no. The only way to solve this I know of is to modify the file
manually - which I do *not* recommend to the regular user.

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Hi,

Thanks for your help.

With yours instructions, I've found a method to merge securities, it's a little boring :
- first : going to account in order to modify "duplicate" security (like add one letter in order to create a new security with a common symbol as you teached me);
- second : erase all quotes from the first security
- third : erase the first security
- quarter : download unified quote.

For your information,

William

> Hi,
>
> on Thursday 05 November 2009 Asemann wrote:
>
>
> > Ok thanks for this information. It was "exactly" (and not similar).
>
> I thought so.
>
> > I found the "sharing" dialog box, not easily.
> > Like you instructed, I use only the symbol (first item), wipe all other
> > items, typing TAB over all items/buttons once and it seems that is the
> > twice passage over the second item (name) is the clack. First attempt,
> > freeze totally KMM. Second attempt was successful.
>
> Yes, it only pops up when no other field is filled. It differentiates between
> adding a new investment and editing an existing one at this point.
>
> > Is there tips for existing securities ? Or for sharing by default all
> > securities ?
>
> Unfortunately no. The only way to solve this I know of is to modify the file
> manually - which I do *not* recommend to the regular user.
>
> --
>
>
> Regards
>
> Thomas Baumgart
>
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