[Cooker] Missing System menu entries under KDE4

[Steve Morris-5]

I have just reinstalled KDE4 (4.1.0) and it is working for the first
time since the migration, but the menu entries for 'Configure your
Computer' (drakconf) and 'System Settings' (appears to only be in
favourites) appear to no longer be in the menus. What is necessary to
get them back.
Also as an off topic issue, most of the menus have significantly
increased in length, with some of them on a 1280x1024 resolution
expanding to two columns, because a lot of the entries are duplicated.
Presumably and entry for KDE4 and one for KDE3. Is this a side effect of
/etc/profile.d/91kde3.sh adding /usr/share & /opt/kde3/share to the
XDG_DATA_DIRS environment and exporting it, and
/etc/profile.d/kde4env.sh exporting XDG_DATA_DIRS & PATH even though it
does not set them?

regards,
Steve


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[Nicolas Lécureuil-4]

Le Saturday 26 July 2008 05:16:02 Steve Morris, vous avez écrit :
> I have just reinstalled KDE4 (4.1.0) and it is working for the first
> time since the migration, but the menu entries for 'Configure your
> Computer' (drakconf) and 'System Settings' (appears to only be in
> favourites) appear to no longer be in the menus. What is necessary to
> get them back.

Please please please look on bugzilla, this have been reported, and reported a
lot of time on this list.
Kde team have a lot of work to do on our menus.

> Also as an off topic issue, most of the menus have significantly
> increased in length, with some of them on a 1280x1024 resolution
> expanding to two columns, because a lot of the entries are duplicated.
> Presumably and entry for KDE4 and one for KDE3. Is this a side effect of
> /etc/profile.d/91kde3.sh adding /usr/share & /opt/kde3/share to the
> XDG_DATA_DIRS environment and exporting it, and
> /etc/profile.d/kde4env.sh exporting XDG_DATA_DIRS & PATH even though it
> does not set them?
>
> regards,
> Steve

Already reported on bugzilla, we will add (KDE3) on old desktop files i  think


--
Cordialement,
Nicolas Lécureuil
Contributeur KDE pour Mandriva

[Steve Morris-5]

Nicolas Lécureuil wrote:

> Le Saturday 26 July 2008 05:16:02 Steve Morris, vous avez écrit :
>  
>> I have just reinstalled KDE4 (4.1.0) and it is working for the first
>> time since the migration, but the menu entries for 'Configure your
>> Computer' (drakconf) and 'System Settings' (appears to only be in
>> favourites) appear to no longer be in the menus. What is necessary to
>> get them back.
>>    
>
> Please please please look on bugzilla, this have been reported, and reported a
> lot of time on this list.
> Kde team have a lot of work to do on our menus.
>  

Sorry Nicolas, I was expecting this to have been fixed by now, given

that KDE4 had this issue when it was first introduced as a Technology
preview.

>  
>> Also as an off topic issue, most of the menus have significantly
>> increased in length, with some of them on a 1280x1024 resolution
>> expanding to two columns, because a lot of the entries are duplicated.
>> Presumably and entry for KDE4 and one for KDE3. Is this a side effect of
>> /etc/profile.d/91kde3.sh adding /usr/share & /opt/kde3/share to the
>> XDG_DATA_DIRS environment and exporting it, and
>> /etc/profile.d/kde4env.sh exporting XDG_DATA_DIRS & PATH even though it
>> does not set them?
>>
>> regards,
>> Steve
>>    
>
> Already reported on bugzilla, we will add (KDE3) on old desktop files i  think
>  

Thankyou. I have had lots of issues where I have done Cooker updates and

had issues and been told they only occur for me. I just wanted to make
sure this wasn't one of those situations.

regards,
Steve


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[Nicolas Lécureuil-4]

Le Sunday 27 July 2008 02:59:48 Steve Morris, vous avez écrit :

> Nicolas Lécureuil wrote:
> > Le Saturday 26 July 2008 05:16:02 Steve Morris, vous avez écrit :
> >> I have just reinstalled KDE4 (4.1.0) and it is working for the first
> >> time since the migration, but the menu entries for 'Configure your
> >> Computer' (drakconf) and 'System Settings' (appears to only be in
> >> favourites) appear to no longer be in the menus. What is necessary to
> >> get them back.
> >
> > Please please please look on bugzilla, this have been reported, and
> > reported a lot of time on this list.
> > Kde team have a lot of work to do on our menus.
>
> Sorry Nicolas, I was expecting this to have been fixed by now, given
> that KDE4 had this issue when it was first introduced as a Technology
> preview.

this is a mandriva issue so not related to kde4 upstream. This is a minor
issue for cooker but will be fixed for final release.

--
Cordialement,
Nicolas Lécureuil
Contributeur KDE pour Mandriva

[Steve Morris-5]

Nicolas Lécureuil wrote:

> Le Sunday 27 July 2008 02:59:48 Steve Morris, vous avez écrit :
>  
>> Nicolas Lécureuil wrote:
>>    
>>> Le Saturday 26 July 2008 05:16:02 Steve Morris, vous avez écrit :
>>>      
>>>> I have just reinstalled KDE4 (4.1.0) and it is working for the first
>>>> time since the migration, but the menu entries for 'Configure your
>>>> Computer' (drakconf) and 'System Settings' (appears to only be in
>>>> favourites) appear to no longer be in the menus. What is necessary to
>>>> get them back.
>>>>        
>>> Please please please look on bugzilla, this have been reported, and
>>> reported a lot of time on this list.
>>> Kde team have a lot of work to do on our menus.
>>>      
>> Sorry Nicolas, I was expecting this to have been fixed by now, given
>> that KDE4 had this issue when it was first introduced as a Technology
>> preview.
>>    
>
> this is a mandriva issue so not related to kde4 upstream. This is a minor
> issue for cooker but will be fixed for final release.
>
>  

Sorry Nicolas, this was one of a whole swag of issues I raised when KDE4

was first introduced, and was told that I should raise the issues
upstream because Mandriva was running a vanilla KDE4, hence the issues
were not Mandrivas.

regards,
Steve


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[Nicolas Lécureuil-4]

Le Sunday 27 July 2008 04:30:15 Steve Morris, vous avez écrit :

> Nicolas Lécureuil wrote:
> > Le Sunday 27 July 2008 02:59:48 Steve Morris, vous avez écrit :
> >> Nicolas Lécureuil wrote:
> >>> Le Saturday 26 July 2008 05:16:02 Steve Morris, vous avez écrit :
> >>>> I have just reinstalled KDE4 (4.1.0) and it is working for the first
> >>>> time since the migration, but the menu entries for 'Configure your
> >>>> Computer' (drakconf) and 'System Settings' (appears to only be in
> >>>> favourites) appear to no longer be in the menus. What is necessary to
> >>>> get them back.
> >>>
> >>> Please please please look on bugzilla, this have been reported, and
> >>> reported a lot of time on this list.
> >>> Kde team have a lot of work to do on our menus.
> >>
> >> Sorry Nicolas, I was expecting this to have been fixed by now, given
> >> that KDE4 had this issue when it was first introduced as a Technology
> >> preview.
> >
> > this is a mandriva issue so not related to kde4 upstream. This is a minor
> > issue for cooker but will be fixed for final release.
>
> Sorry Nicolas, this was one of a whole swag of issues I raised when KDE4
> was first introduced, and was told that I should raise the issues
> upstream because Mandriva was running a vanilla KDE4, hence the issues
> were not Mandrivas.

yes but you have to think by yourself, if this is a bug of 'Mandriva control
center' YES this is a mandriva bug    this seems soooooooooooo logical


--
Cordialement,
Nicolas Lécureuil
Contributeur KDE pour Mandriva

[Luc Menut]

Nicolas Lécureuil a écrit :
...

>>> this is a mandriva issue so not related to kde4 upstream. This is a minor
>>> issue for cooker but will be fixed for final release.
>> Sorry Nicolas, this was one of a whole swag of issues I raised when KDE4
>> was first introduced, and was told that I should raise the issues
>> upstream because Mandriva was running a vanilla KDE4, hence the issues
>> were not Mandrivas.
>
> yes but you have to think by yourself, if this is a bug of 'Mandriva control
> center' YES this is a mandriva bug    this seems soooooooooooo logical
>

Sorry Nicolas, I think you have mis understood the problem here. The
problem is not only with MCC here, but MCC shows the problem.
I previously explained on bugzilla
(https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=41985#c1), why drakconf AND all
applications configured to appear in the System tab of kickoff menu,
don't appear in the classical menu
(http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=809648).
It's a good design for kickoff, but with bads effects for simplelauncher.
This feature should be used only for kickoff and not for simplelauncher,
or simplelauncher should have a menu entry for System Application. We
have the choice between these 2 alternatives, and perhaps others.

The bugs or wrong features in simplelauncher concern mainly Mandriva,
because Mandriva currently uses by default the classical menu (it seems
that most of others distribs have made the choice to use kickoff, the
default menu in kde 4).
I don't say that the classical menu is a bad choice, I don't like kickoff!!

just my 2 cents.

best regards,
Luc

[Luc Menut]

Steve Morris a écrit :
> Sorry Nicolas, this was one of a whole swag of issues I raised when KDE4
> was first introduced, and was told that I should raise the issues
> upstream because Mandriva was running a vanilla KDE4, hence the issues
> were not Mandrivas.
>

Steve, have you made a bug report for this on kde bugzilla? if so, could
you tell me the report number. Thanks.

regards,
Luc

[Steve Morris-5]

Luc Menut wrote:

> Nicolas Lécureuil a écrit :
> ...
>>>> this is a mandriva issue so not related to kde4 upstream. This is a
>>>> minor
>>>> issue for cooker but will be fixed for final release.
>>> Sorry Nicolas, this was one of a whole swag of issues I raised when
>>> KDE4
>>> was first introduced, and was told that I should raise the issues
>>> upstream because Mandriva was running a vanilla KDE4, hence the issues
>>> were not Mandrivas.
>>
>> yes but you have to think by yourself, if this is a bug of 'Mandriva
>> control center' YES this is a mandriva bug    this seems
>> soooooooooooo logical
>>
>
> Sorry Nicolas, I think you have mis understood the problem here. The
> problem is not only with MCC here, but MCC shows the problem.
> I previously explained on bugzilla
> (https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=41985#c1), why drakconf AND
> all applications configured to appear in the System tab of kickoff
> menu, don't appear in the classical menu
> (http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=809648).
> It's a good design for kickoff, but with bads effects for simplelauncher.
> This feature should be used only for kickoff and not for
> simplelauncher, or simplelauncher should have a menu entry for System
> Application. We have the choice between these 2 alternatives, and
> perhaps others.
>
> The bugs or wrong features in simplelauncher concern mainly Mandriva,
> because Mandriva currently uses by default the classical menu (it
> seems that most of others distribs have made the choice to use
> kickoff, the default menu in kde 4).
> I don't say that the classical menu is a bad choice, I don't like
> kickoff!!
>
> just my 2 cents.
>
> best regards,
> Luc
>

My issue is these entries don't show up in classical menu or kickoff.

This is also not the first time this has occurred, it occurred when KDE4
was first released to Cooker.

regards,
Steve


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[Steve Morris-5]

Luc Menut wrote:

> Steve Morris a écrit :
>> Sorry Nicolas, this was one of a whole swag of issues I raised when
>> KDE4 was first introduced, and was told that I should raise the
>> issues upstream because Mandriva was running a vanilla KDE4, hence
>> the issues were not Mandrivas.
>>
>
> Steve, have you made a bug report for this on kde bugzilla? if so,
> could you tell me the report number. Thanks.
>
> regards,
> Luc
>

I haven't as yet, I will have to figure out how to, but I am not sure at

the moment whether it is an upstream issue or a Mandriva issue.

regards,
Steve


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[Nicolas Lécureuil-4]

Le Monday 28 July 2008 12:44:36 Steve Morris, vous avez écrit :

> Luc Menut wrote:
> > Steve Morris a écrit :
> >> Sorry Nicolas, this was one of a whole swag of issues I raised when
> >> KDE4 was first introduced, and was told that I should raise the
> >> issues upstream because Mandriva was running a vanilla KDE4, hence
> >> the issues were not Mandrivas.
> >
> > Steve, have you made a bug report for this on kde bugzilla? if so,
> > could you tell me the report number. Thanks.
> >
> > regards,
> > Luc
>
> I haven't as yet, I will have to figure out how to, but I am not sure at
> the moment whether it is an upstream issue or a Mandriva issue.
>
> regards,
> Steve

this is an upstream one but as upstream doesn't seems to be interested to fix
it, we should look to it .

--
Cordialement,
Nicolas Lécureuil
Contributeur KDE pour Mandriva

[Steve Morris-5]

Nicolas Lécureuil wrote:

> Le Monday 28 July 2008 12:44:36 Steve Morris, vous avez écrit :
>  
>> Luc Menut wrote:
>>    
>>> Steve Morris a écrit :
>>>      
>>>> Sorry Nicolas, this was one of a whole swag of issues I raised when
>>>> KDE4 was first introduced, and was told that I should raise the
>>>> issues upstream because Mandriva was running a vanilla KDE4, hence
>>>> the issues were not Mandrivas.
>>>>        
>>> Steve, have you made a bug report for this on kde bugzilla? if so,
>>> could you tell me the report number. Thanks.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> Luc
>>>      
>> I haven't as yet, I will have to figure out how to, but I am not sure at
>> the moment whether it is an upstream issue or a Mandriva issue.
>>
>> regards,
>> Steve
>>    
>
> this is an upstream one but as upstream doesn't seems to be interested to fix
> it, we should look to it .
>
>  

Thanks Nicolas, let me know if there is anything I can do to help.

regards,
Steve


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