[Cooker] New printing system

[roudoudou]

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Vincent Panel <yohonet@...> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Tiago Salem Herrmann <salem@...> wrote:
>> one of our plans for 2009.0 was to find a replacement for printerdrake.
>> The most obvious choice was to use system-config-printer, as it is still
>> under development and is the default tool in other distributions as well.
>
> I'll try to test with the printer I've here, but you will have far
> more testers when beta 2 is out, make sure this new system is included
> in it and installed by default.
>
+1
This is indeed the best way to get more feedback
@Tiago: We can also relay your request for tseting on the community
forum (may be already done by Vincent by the way :) ? Is there some
specific test you want to be done besides installing
system-config-printer and checking that the printer is recognized  :-)
?

Thanks.

[Tiago Salem Herrmann]

roudoudou wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Vincent Panel <yohonet@...> wrote:
>  
>> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Tiago Salem Herrmann <salem@...> wrote:
>>    
>>> one of our plans for 2009.0 was to find a replacement for printerdrake.
>>> The most obvious choice was to use system-config-printer, as it is still
>>> under development and is the default tool in other distributions as well.
>>>      
>> I'll try to test with the printer I've here, but you will have far
>> more testers when beta 2 is out, make sure this new system is included
>> in it and installed by default.
>>
>>    
> +1
> This is indeed the best way to get more feedback
> @Tiago: We can also relay your request for tseting on the community
> forum (may be already done by Vincent by the way :) ? Is there some
> specific test you want to be done besides installing
> system-config-printer and checking that the printer is recognized  :-)
> ?
>
> Thanks.
>  

Yes, there are some triggers to recognize hp multifunctional printers
and to download and install firmware on hp laserjet 10xx series, and it
would be great if we could test if it is working properly, since these
features are supported by printerdrake, and we want to minimize the
regressions :)
It is good to remember the people who will test that this new printing
system does not make mandriva recognize printers that printerdrake does
not recognize. The same database is used, so if your printer does not
work by using printerdrake, probably it won't work in the new system too.

Thanks

[Tiago Salem Herrmann]

Fabrice Facorat wrote:
> - ability to configure CUPS-less client all sending printings to a
> central CUPS server ?
>  
No, but probably an easy feature to include, I think.
> - are we going to have finally the ability to cofnigure printers (
> especially cups-less ones ) in DrakX autoinstall ?
>  
Is it planned?

[Fabrice FACORAT]

2008/8/8 Tiago Salem Herrmann <salem@...>:
> Fabrice Facorat wrote:
>>
>> - ability to configure CUPS-less client all sending printings to a
>> central CUPS server ?
>>
>
> No, but probably an easy feature to include, I think.

I do hope this will be done ;)

>> - are we going to have finally the ability to cofnigure printers (
>> especially cups-less ones ) in DrakX autoinstall ?
>>
>
> Is it planned?
no, unfortunately. Because of this I have to configure manually my workstations



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[roudoudou]

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Fabrice Facorat
<fabrice.facorat@...> wrote:

>>> - are we going to have finally the ability to cofnigure printers (
>>> especially cups-less ones ) in DrakX autoinstall ?
>>>
>>
>> Is it planned?
> no, unfortunately. Because of this I have to configure manually my workstations
Feature removed by pixel by design IIRC ! He was in favour of using
some magic script in  the "post" section of install.cfg.pl to do the
job...
Anyway, better open a bug report (but i'm sure there's already one :)
and assign it to the install@ team

HTH,
Thanks

[Fabrice FACORAT]

2008/8/8 roudoudou <roudoudou7@...>:

> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Fabrice Facorat
> <fabrice.facorat@...> wrote:
>
>>>> - are we going to have finally the ability to cofnigure printers (
>>>> especially cups-less ones ) in DrakX autoinstall ?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Is it planned?
>> no, unfortunately. Because of this I have to configure manually my workstations
> Feature removed by pixel by design IIRC ! He was in favour of using
> some magic script in  the "post" section of install.cfg.pl to do the
> job...

i knew. But I never managed to understand how to use this post section
in the install.cfg

> Anyway, better open a bug report (but i'm sure there's already one :)
> and assign it to the install@ team

bug #38201


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2008/8/8 Tiago Salem Herrmann <salem@...>:

> Hi all,
>
> one of our plans for 2009.0 was to find a replacement for printerdrake.
> The most obvious choice was to use system-config-printer, as it is still
> under development and is the default tool in other distributions as well.
> Unfortunately it is not easy to replace a tool that is present
> in the distro for a long time, because it has a good integration
> and a lot of workarounds for many kinds of printers.
> I've been working basically in two packages to try to provide a new printing
> system,
> they are:
>
> 1) system-config-printer: provides the interface to add, remove, share
> printers. Provides
> a system tray applet which notifies the user about printing events and
> eventually asks the user to install required packages or missing firmware.
>
> 2) hal-cups-utils: in charge of detecting new printers, notify the applet to
> let the
> user know about what is going on, choose the better printer model, and so
> on.
>
> Me and Vanessa have tested some printers and it seems that it is working as
> expected,
> but as we can't have all the supported printers to test if everything is ok,
> it would be great if we could have some help from everybody.
>
> "urpmi system-config-printer" should be enough to disable the old printer
> detection system
> and enable the new one. (don't forget to restart the session)
> Usb printers are detected when you plug them in the system. To add parallel
> printers
> you must open system-config-printer and do the work manually.
>
> Some strings are not translated, both because they are not translated in
> upstream and
> because some strings were introduced only in mandriva version. I plan to put
> the po files
> in the svn soft (just like it is done in printerdrake), so then the
> contributors can
> help on translation.
>
> For a while, printerdrake and system-config-printer can coexist.
> If we decide that the new printing system is ok, we can drop printerdrake
> (or provide it in contrib?),
> and if we decide it is too early to replace printerdrake by
> system-config-printer, we can drop
> system-config-printer and go back to the place where we were before.
>
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Tiago Salem Herrmann
>
>

Hello

It seem to work fined with my HP Photosmart 3210.

But I see a major regression with this tool compared to printerdrake.
There is no auto detection system for network printer. I need to enter
manually printer IP address. Printerdrake can auto detect my printer.
So yet printerdrake is more user-friendly for network printers.

[Dick Gevers]

On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:03:11 -0300, Tiago Salem Herrmann wrote about
[Cooker] New printing system:

>but as we can't have all the supported printers to test if everything is
>ok, it would be great if we could have some help from everybody.

Lexmark Z32: managed okay; no problems.

Cheers,
=Dick Gevers=

[andres.kaaber]

Friday 08 August 2008 21:10:34 kirjutas Youp3:

> 2008/8/8 Tiago Salem Herrmann <salem@...>:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > one of our plans for 2009.0 was to find a replacement for printerdrake.
> > The most obvious choice was to use system-config-printer, as it is still
> > under development and is the default tool in other distributions as well.
> > Unfortunately it is not easy to replace a tool that is present
> > in the distro for a long time, because it has a good integration
> > and a lot of workarounds for many kinds of printers.
> > I've been working basically in two packages to try to provide a new
> > printing system,
> > they are:
> >
> > 1) system-config-printer: provides the interface to add, remove, share
> > printers. Provides
> > a system tray applet which notifies the user about printing events and
> > eventually asks the user to install required packages or missing
> > firmware.
> >
> > 2) hal-cups-utils: in charge of detecting new printers, notify the applet
> > to let the
> > user know about what is going on, choose the better printer model, and so
> > on.
> >
> > Me and Vanessa have tested some printers and it seems that it is working
> > as expected,
> > but as we can't have all the supported printers to test if everything is
> > ok, it would be great if we could have some help from everybody.
> >
> > "urpmi system-config-printer" should be enough to disable the old printer
> > detection system
> > and enable the new one. (don't forget to restart the session)
> > Usb printers are detected when you plug them in the system. To add
> > parallel printers
> > you must open system-config-printer and do the work manually.
> >
> > Some strings are not translated, both because they are not translated in
> > upstream and
> > because some strings were introduced only in mandriva version. I plan to
> > put the po files
> > in the svn soft (just like it is done in printerdrake), so then the
> > contributors can
> > help on translation.
> >
> > For a while, printerdrake and system-config-printer can coexist.
> > If we decide that the new printing system is ok, we can drop printerdrake
> > (or provide it in contrib?),
> > and if we decide it is too early to replace printerdrake by
> > system-config-printer, we can drop
> > system-config-printer and go back to the place where we were before.
> >
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > --
> > Tiago Salem Herrmann
>
> Hello
>
> It seem to work fined with my HP Photosmart 3210.
>
> But I see a major regression with this tool compared to printerdrake.
> There is no auto detection system for network printer. I need to enter
> manually printer IP address. Printerdrake can auto detect my printer.
> So yet printerdrake is more user-friendly for network printers.

Strange, it finds all my network printers (samsung's kyoceras hp) and it does
it a lot quicker then printerdrake but when it lets to chose driver there are
so few options, like no samsung and kyocera :)
--
MP
Au asi!

[Olivier Blin-2]

"Fabrice Facorat" <fabrice.facorat@...> writes:

> 2008/8/8 roudoudou <roudoudou7@...>:
>> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Fabrice Facorat
>> <fabrice.facorat@...> wrote:
>>
>>>>> - are we going to have finally the ability to cofnigure printers (
>>>>> especially cups-less ones ) in DrakX autoinstall ?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is it planned?
>>> no, unfortunately. Because of this I have to configure manually my workstations
>> Feature removed by pixel by design IIRC ! He was in favour of using
>> some magic script in  the "post" section of install.cfg.pl to do the
>> job...
>
> i knew. But I never managed to understand how to use this post section
> in the install.cfg

What's the problem with it?
You just have to put some shell commands in postInstall

--
Olivier Blin (blino) - Mandriva

[Tiago Salem Herrmann]

Major Paine wrote:

> Friday 08 August 2008 21:10:34 kirjutas Youp3:
>  
>> 2008/8/8 Tiago Salem Herrmann <salem@...>:
>>    
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> one of our plans for 2009.0 was to find a replacement for printerdrake.
>>> The most obvious choice was to use system-config-printer, as it is still
>>> under development and is the default tool in other distributions as well.
>>> Unfortunately it is not easy to replace a tool that is present
>>> in the distro for a long time, because it has a good integration
>>> and a lot of workarounds for many kinds of printers.
>>> I've been working basically in two packages to try to provide a new
>>> printing system,
>>> they are:
>>>
>>> 1) system-config-printer: provides the interface to add, remove, share
>>> printers. Provides
>>> a system tray applet which notifies the user about printing events and
>>> eventually asks the user to install required packages or missing
>>> firmware.
>>>
>>> 2) hal-cups-utils: in charge of detecting new printers, notify the applet
>>> to let the
>>> user know about what is going on, choose the better printer model, and so
>>> on.
>>>
>>> Me and Vanessa have tested some printers and it seems that it is working
>>> as expected,
>>> but as we can't have all the supported printers to test if everything is
>>> ok, it would be great if we could have some help from everybody.
>>>
>>> "urpmi system-config-printer" should be enough to disable the old printer
>>> detection system
>>> and enable the new one. (don't forget to restart the session)
>>> Usb printers are detected when you plug them in the system. To add
>>> parallel printers
>>> you must open system-config-printer and do the work manually.
>>>
>>> Some strings are not translated, both because they are not translated in
>>> upstream and
>>> because some strings were introduced only in mandriva version. I plan to
>>> put the po files
>>> in the svn soft (just like it is done in printerdrake), so then the
>>> contributors can
>>> help on translation.
>>>
>>> For a while, printerdrake and system-config-printer can coexist.
>>> If we decide that the new printing system is ok, we can drop printerdrake
>>> (or provide it in contrib?),
>>> and if we decide it is too early to replace printerdrake by
>>> system-config-printer, we can drop
>>> system-config-printer and go back to the place where we were before.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tiago Salem Herrmann
>>>      
>> Hello
>>
>> It seem to work fined with my HP Photosmart 3210.
>>
>> But I see a major regression with this tool compared to printerdrake.
>> There is no auto detection system for network printer. I need to enter
>> manually printer IP address. Printerdrake can auto detect my printer.
>> So yet printerdrake is more user-friendly for network printers.
>>    
>
> Strange, it finds all my network printers (samsung's kyoceras hp) and it does
> it a lot quicker then printerdrake but when it lets to chose driver there are
> so few options, like no samsung and kyocera :)
>  

hmm, do you have task-printing-misc installed?
what happens if you install it, and then try to reconfigure your printer?

2008/8/8 Tiago Salem Herrmann <salem@...>:

> Major Paine wrote:
>>
>> Friday 08 August 2008 21:10:34 kirjutas Youp3:
>>
>>>
>>> 2008/8/8 Tiago Salem Herrmann <salem@...>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> one of our plans for 2009.0 was to find a replacement for printerdrake.
>>>> The most obvious choice was to use system-config-printer, as it is still
>>>> under development and is the default tool in other distributions as
>>>> well.
>>>> Unfortunately it is not easy to replace a tool that is present
>>>> in the distro for a long time, because it has a good integration
>>>> and a lot of workarounds for many kinds of printers.
>>>> I've been working basically in two packages to try to provide a new
>>>> printing system,
>>>> they are:
>>>>
>>>> 1) system-config-printer: provides the interface to add, remove, share
>>>> printers. Provides
>>>> a system tray applet which notifies the user about printing events and
>>>> eventually asks the user to install required packages or missing
>>>> firmware.
>>>>
>>>> 2) hal-cups-utils: in charge of detecting new printers, notify the
>>>> applet
>>>> to let the
>>>> user know about what is going on, choose the better printer model, and
>>>> so
>>>> on.
>>>>
>>>> Me and Vanessa have tested some printers and it seems that it is working
>>>> as expected,
>>>> but as we can't have all the supported printers to test if everything is
>>>> ok, it would be great if we could have some help from everybody.
>>>>
>>>> "urpmi system-config-printer" should be enough to disable the old
>>>> printer
>>>> detection system
>>>> and enable the new one. (don't forget to restart the session)
>>>> Usb printers are detected when you plug them in the system. To add
>>>> parallel printers
>>>> you must open system-config-printer and do the work manually.
>>>>
>>>> Some strings are not translated, both because they are not translated in
>>>> upstream and
>>>> because some strings were introduced only in mandriva version. I plan to
>>>> put the po files
>>>> in the svn soft (just like it is done in printerdrake), so then the
>>>> contributors can
>>>> help on translation.
>>>>
>>>> For a while, printerdrake and system-config-printer can coexist.
>>>> If we decide that the new printing system is ok, we can drop
>>>> printerdrake
>>>> (or provide it in contrib?),
>>>> and if we decide it is too early to replace printerdrake by
>>>> system-config-printer, we can drop
>>>> system-config-printer and go back to the place where we were before.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Tiago Salem Herrmann
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> It seem to work fined with my HP Photosmart 3210.
>>>
>>> But I see a major regression with this tool compared to printerdrake.
>>> There is no auto detection system for network printer. I need to enter
>>> manually printer IP address. Printerdrake can auto detect my printer.
>>> So yet printerdrake is more user-friendly for network printers.
>>>
>>
>> Strange, it finds all my network printers (samsung's kyoceras hp) and it
>> does it a lot quicker then printerdrake but when it lets to chose driver
>> there are so few options, like no samsung and kyocera :)
>>
>
> hmm, do you have task-printing-misc installed?

It was not installed
> what happens if you install it, and then try to reconfigure your printer?
No change. I need to do all manually.

[Tiago Salem Herrmann]

>>> Strange, it finds all my network printers (samsung's kyoceras hp) and it
>>> does it a lot quicker then printerdrake but when it lets to chose driver
>>> there are so few options, like no samsung and kyocera :)
>>>
>>>      
>> hmm, do you have task-printing-misc installed?
>>    
> It was not installed
>  
>> what happens if you install it, and then try to reconfigure your printer?
>>    
> No change. I need to do all manually.
>  

What you mean manually?
The models are not shown, or not auto selected?

2008/8/8 Tiago Salem Herrmann <salem@...>:

>
>>>> Strange, it finds all my network printers (samsung's kyoceras hp) and it
>>>> does it a lot quicker then printerdrake but when it lets to chose driver
>>>> there are so few options, like no samsung and kyocera :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> hmm, do you have task-printing-misc installed?
>>>
>>
>> It was not installed
>>
>>>
>>> what happens if you install it, and then try to reconfigure your printer?
>>>
>>
>> No change. I need to do all manually.
>>
>
> What you mean manually?
> The models are not shown, or not auto selected?
>

I need to indicate manually the IP address. Printerdrake scan the
network and detect the printer.
When I enter the IP Address, the Epson entry is select for my HP
printer. I chose HP and need to select the model. With printerdrake,
all was automatic.
This is why I think printerdrake is better in my case.

[Marcelo Ricardo Leitner-3]

Fabrice Facorat escreveu:
> 2008/8/8 Tiago Salem Herrmann <salem@...>:
>> Fabrice Facorat wrote:
>>> - ability to configure CUPS-less client all sending printings to a
>>> central CUPS server ?
>>>
>> No, but probably an easy feature to include, I think.
>
> I do hope this will be done ;)

Come on guys, you know this is a 2 shell commands setup, lets try to
focus on bigger things :)

For reference, to setup a cups-less client using libcups (as
printerdrake does), just:
1) urpmi libcups2
2) echo "ServerName server.ip.or.hostname" > /etc/cups/client.conf
That's all you need..

Cya
Marcelo

[Marcelo Ricardo Leitner-3]

Youp3 escreveu:

> 2008/8/8 Tiago Salem Herrmann <salem@...>:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> one of our plans for 2009.0 was to find a replacement for printerdrake.
>> The most obvious choice was to use system-config-printer, as it is still
>> under development and is the default tool in other distributions as well.
>> Unfortunately it is not easy to replace a tool that is present
>> in the distro for a long time, because it has a good integration
>> and a lot of workarounds for many kinds of printers.
>> I've been working basically in two packages to try to provide a new printing
>> system,
>> they are:
>>
>> 1) system-config-printer: provides the interface to add, remove, share
>> printers. Provides
>> a system tray applet which notifies the user about printing events and
>> eventually asks the user to install required packages or missing firmware.
>>
>> 2) hal-cups-utils: in charge of detecting new printers, notify the applet to
>> let the
>> user know about what is going on, choose the better printer model, and so
>> on.
>>
>> Me and Vanessa have tested some printers and it seems that it is working as
>> expected,
>> but as we can't have all the supported printers to test if everything is ok,
>> it would be great if we could have some help from everybody.
>>
>> "urpmi system-config-printer" should be enough to disable the old printer
>> detection system
>> and enable the new one. (don't forget to restart the session)
>> Usb printers are detected when you plug them in the system. To add parallel
>> printers
>> you must open system-config-printer and do the work manually.
>>
>> Some strings are not translated, both because they are not translated in
>> upstream and
>> because some strings were introduced only in mandriva version. I plan to put
>> the po files
>> in the svn soft (just like it is done in printerdrake), so then the
>> contributors can
>> help on translation.
>>
>> For a while, printerdrake and system-config-printer can coexist.
>> If we decide that the new printing system is ok, we can drop printerdrake
>> (or provide it in contrib?),
>> and if we decide it is too early to replace printerdrake by
>> system-config-printer, we can drop
>> system-config-printer and go back to the place where we were before.
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Tiago Salem Herrmann
>>
>>
>
> Hello
>
> It seem to work fined with my HP Photosmart 3210.
>
> But I see a major regression with this tool compared to printerdrake.
> There is no auto detection system for network printer. I need to enter
> manually printer IP address. Printerdrake can auto detect my printer.
> So yet printerdrake is more user-friendly for network printers.

This is an open topic AFAIK. It is known to not be allowed to distribute
  some "hacker tools" (as the lawyers called them) in some countries,
like in Germany. That's why SuSE, for example, doesn't ship nmap, which
is used by printerdrake for this autodiscovery.

[Marcelo Ricardo Leitner-3]

Tiago Salem Herrmann escreveu:

> Hi all,
>
> one of our plans for 2009.0 was to find a replacement for printerdrake.
> The most obvious choice was to use system-config-printer, as it is still
> under development and is the default tool in other distributions as well.
> Unfortunately it is not easy to replace a tool that is present
> in the distro for a long time, because it has a good integration
> and a lot of workarounds for many kinds of printers.
> I've been working basically in two packages to try to provide a new
> printing system,
> they are:
>
> 1) system-config-printer: provides the interface to add, remove, share
> printers. Provides
> a system tray applet which notifies the user about printing events and
> eventually asks the user to install required packages or missing firmware.
>
> 2) hal-cups-utils: in charge of detecting new printers, notify the
> applet to let the
> user know about what is going on, choose the better printer model, and
> so on.
>
> Me and Vanessa have tested some printers and it seems that it is working
> as expected,
> but as we can't have all the supported printers to test if everything is
> ok,
> it would be great if we could have some help from everybody.
>
> "urpmi system-config-printer" should be enough to disable the old
> printer detection system
> and enable the new one. (don't forget to restart the session)
> Usb printers are detected when you plug them in the system. To add
> parallel printers
> you must open system-config-printer and do the work manually.
>
> Some strings are not translated, both because they are not translated in
> upstream and
> because some strings were introduced only in mandriva version. I plan to
> put the po files
> in the svn soft (just like it is done in printerdrake), so then the
> contributors can
> help on translation.
>
> For a while, printerdrake and system-config-printer can coexist.
> If we decide that the new printing system is ok, we can drop
> printerdrake (or provide it in contrib?),
> and if we decide it is too early to replace printerdrake by
> system-config-printer, we can drop
> system-config-printer and go back to the place where we were before.

That's a really big move, congrats to all involved, specially Salem :)

I know Salem and Vanessa probably handled theses tests on their shots,
but IMHO it's nice to make them public so people can try them out too.

There are some combinations that should work too, like:
* Boot with the unconfigured printer already plugged in (cold plug), you
should be able to setup the printer after the first graphical login.

* Remove a configured printer while on system, reboot without it, reboot
again and plug it back (it shouldn't trigger 'a new printer..' wizard)

That's what I recall for now, I'll come back if I have new ideas :)

I'll do some tests with my hp 1018 as soon as I finish upgrading my box
over here.

Thanks,
Marcelo

2008/8/9 Marcelo Ricardo Leitner <marcelo.leitner@...>:

> Youp3 escreveu:
>>
>> 2008/8/8 Tiago Salem Herrmann <salem@...>:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> one of our plans for 2009.0 was to find a replacement for printerdrake.
>>> The most obvious choice was to use system-config-printer, as it is still
>>> under development and is the default tool in other distributions as well.
>>> Unfortunately it is not easy to replace a tool that is present
>>> in the distro for a long time, because it has a good integration
>>> and a lot of workarounds for many kinds of printers.
>>> I've been working basically in two packages to try to provide a new
>>> printing
>>> system,
>>> they are:
>>>
>>> 1) system-config-printer: provides the interface to add, remove, share
>>> printers. Provides
>>> a system tray applet which notifies the user about printing events and
>>> eventually asks the user to install required packages or missing
>>> firmware.
>>>
>>> 2) hal-cups-utils: in charge of detecting new printers, notify the applet
>>> to
>>> let the
>>> user know about what is going on, choose the better printer model, and so
>>> on.
>>>
>>> Me and Vanessa have tested some printers and it seems that it is working
>>> as
>>> expected,
>>> but as we can't have all the supported printers to test if everything is
>>> ok,
>>> it would be great if we could have some help from everybody.
>>>
>>> "urpmi system-config-printer" should be enough to disable the old printer
>>> detection system
>>> and enable the new one. (don't forget to restart the session)
>>> Usb printers are detected when you plug them in the system. To add
>>> parallel
>>> printers
>>> you must open system-config-printer and do the work manually.
>>>
>>> Some strings are not translated, both because they are not translated in
>>> upstream and
>>> because some strings were introduced only in mandriva version. I plan to
>>> put
>>> the po files
>>> in the svn soft (just like it is done in printerdrake), so then the
>>> contributors can
>>> help on translation.
>>>
>>> For a while, printerdrake and system-config-printer can coexist.
>>> If we decide that the new printing system is ok, we can drop printerdrake
>>> (or provide it in contrib?),
>>> and if we decide it is too early to replace printerdrake by
>>> system-config-printer, we can drop
>>> system-config-printer and go back to the place where we were before.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tiago Salem Herrmann
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> It seem to work fined with my HP Photosmart 3210.
>>
>> But I see a major regression with this tool compared to printerdrake.
>> There is no auto detection system for network printer. I need to enter
>> manually printer IP address. Printerdrake can auto detect my printer.
>> So yet printerdrake is more user-friendly for network printers.
>
> This is an open topic AFAIK. It is known to not be allowed to distribute
>  some "hacker tools" (as the lawyers called them) in some countries, like in
> Germany. That's why SuSE, for example, doesn't ship nmap, which is used by
> printerdrake for this autodiscovery.
>

It is an open topic, so I give my opinion on the matter. ;)
If we don't ship all software that can make outlawed, we must also
remove ftp clients, web browsers, and bittorrent client which allow
customers to download illegal files. I forget tcpdump and wireshark
which allow illegal tapping of network.
A tool can often be diverted from its original vocation which did
nothing illegal.

[andres.kaaber]

Friday 08 August 2008 23:26:00 kirjutas Tiago Salem Herrmann:

> Major Paine wrote:
> > Friday 08 August 2008 21:10:34 kirjutas Youp3:
> >> 2008/8/8 Tiago Salem Herrmann <salem@...>:
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> one of our plans for 2009.0 was to find a replacement for printerdrake.
> >>> The most obvious choice was to use system-config-printer, as it is
> >>> still under development and is the default tool in other distributions
> >>> as well. Unfortunately it is not easy to replace a tool that is present
> >>> in the distro for a long time, because it has a good integration and a
> >>> lot of workarounds for many kinds of printers.
> >>> I've been working basically in two packages to try to provide a new
> >>> printing system,
> >>> they are:
> >>>
> >>> 1) system-config-printer: provides the interface to add, remove, share
> >>> printers. Provides
> >>> a system tray applet which notifies the user about printing events and
> >>> eventually asks the user to install required packages or missing
> >>> firmware.
> >>>
> >>> 2) hal-cups-utils: in charge of detecting new printers, notify the
> >>> applet to let the
> >>> user know about what is going on, choose the better printer model, and
> >>> so on.
> >>>
> >>> Me and Vanessa have tested some printers and it seems that it is
> >>> working as expected,
> >>> but as we can't have all the supported printers to test if everything
> >>> is ok, it would be great if we could have some help from everybody.
> >>>
> >>> "urpmi system-config-printer" should be enough to disable the old
> >>> printer detection system
> >>> and enable the new one. (don't forget to restart the session)
> >>> Usb printers are detected when you plug them in the system. To add
> >>> parallel printers
> >>> you must open system-config-printer and do the work manually.
> >>>
> >>> Some strings are not translated, both because they are not translated
> >>> in upstream and
> >>> because some strings were introduced only in mandriva version. I plan
> >>> to put the po files
> >>> in the svn soft (just like it is done in printerdrake), so then the
> >>> contributors can
> >>> help on translation.
> >>>
> >>> For a while, printerdrake and system-config-printer can coexist.
> >>> If we decide that the new printing system is ok, we can drop
> >>> printerdrake (or provide it in contrib?),
> >>> and if we decide it is too early to replace printerdrake by
> >>> system-config-printer, we can drop
> >>> system-config-printer and go back to the place where we were before.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thank you.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Tiago Salem Herrmann
> >>
> >> Hello
> >>
> >> It seem to work fined with my HP Photosmart 3210.
> >>
> >> But I see a major regression with this tool compared to printerdrake.
> >> There is no auto detection system for network printer. I need to enter
> >> manually printer IP address. Printerdrake can auto detect my printer.
> >> So yet printerdrake is more user-friendly for network printers.
> >
> > Strange, it finds all my network printers (samsung's kyoceras hp) and it
> > does it a lot quicker then printerdrake but when it lets to chose driver
> > there are so few options, like no samsung and kyocera :)
>
> hmm, do you have task-printing-misc installed?
> what happens if you install it, and then try to reconfigure your printer?

In my case it wasn't I urpmi'ed it and now I can see all of them. It seems
that the system-config-printer doesn't require task-printing-misc
--
MP
Au asi!

[Marcelo Ricardo Leitner-3]

Youp3 escreveu:

> 2008/8/9 Marcelo Ricardo Leitner <marcelo.leitner@...>:
>> Youp3 escreveu:
>>> 2008/8/8 Tiago Salem Herrmann <salem@...>:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> one of our plans for 2009.0 was to find a replacement for printerdrake.
>>>> The most obvious choice was to use system-config-printer, as it is still
>>>> under development and is the default tool in other distributions as well.
>>>> Unfortunately it is not easy to replace a tool that is present
>>>> in the distro for a long time, because it has a good integration
>>>> and a lot of workarounds for many kinds of printers.
>>>> I've been working basically in two packages to try to provide a new
>>>> printing
>>>> system,
>>>> they are:
>>>>
>>>> 1) system-config-printer: provides the interface to add, remove, share
>>>> printers. Provides
>>>> a system tray applet which notifies the user about printing events and
>>>> eventually asks the user to install required packages or missing
>>>> firmware.
>>>>
>>>> 2) hal-cups-utils: in charge of detecting new printers, notify the applet
>>>> to
>>>> let the
>>>> user know about what is going on, choose the better printer model, and so
>>>> on.
>>>>
>>>> Me and Vanessa have tested some printers and it seems that it is working
>>>> as
>>>> expected,
>>>> but as we can't have all the supported printers to test if everything is
>>>> ok,
>>>> it would be great if we could have some help from everybody.
>>>>
>>>> "urpmi system-config-printer" should be enough to disable the old printer
>>>> detection system
>>>> and enable the new one. (don't forget to restart the session)
>>>> Usb printers are detected when you plug them in the system. To add
>>>> parallel
>>>> printers
>>>> you must open system-config-printer and do the work manually.
>>>>
>>>> Some strings are not translated, both because they are not translated in
>>>> upstream and
>>>> because some strings were introduced only in mandriva version. I plan to
>>>> put
>>>> the po files
>>>> in the svn soft (just like it is done in printerdrake), so then the
>>>> contributors can
>>>> help on translation.
>>>>
>>>> For a while, printerdrake and system-config-printer can coexist.
>>>> If we decide that the new printing system is ok, we can drop printerdrake
>>>> (or provide it in contrib?),
>>>> and if we decide it is too early to replace printerdrake by
>>>> system-config-printer, we can drop
>>>> system-config-printer and go back to the place where we were before.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Tiago Salem Herrmann
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> It seem to work fined with my HP Photosmart 3210.
>>>
>>> But I see a major regression with this tool compared to printerdrake.
>>> There is no auto detection system for network printer. I need to enter
>>> manually printer IP address. Printerdrake can auto detect my printer.
>>> So yet printerdrake is more user-friendly for network printers.
>> This is an open topic AFAIK. It is known to not be allowed to distribute
>>  some "hacker tools" (as the lawyers called them) in some countries, like in
>> Germany. That's why SuSE, for example, doesn't ship nmap, which is used by
>> printerdrake for this autodiscovery.
>>
> It is an open topic, so I give my opinion on the matter. ;)
> If we don't ship all software that can make outlawed, we must also
> remove ftp clients, web browsers, and bittorrent client which allow
> customers to download illegal files. I forget tcpdump and wireshark
> which allow illegal tapping of network.
> A tool can often be diverted from its original vocation which did
> nothing illegal.

Thanks for your opinion, I'm with you on this but seems it should matter
  for the politicians of those countries, and not for us, which should
"simply" accept it and take some procedures.

Still, you can use a damn simple kitchen knife to eat and to do bad
things, and that's why on airplanes you don't have access to them :)