[DRAFT] HiveMind Board Report - March 2009

[jwcarman]

Here's what I have:

The HiveMind PMC has voted to move HiveMind into the "Attic."  Henri
Yandell has graciously offered to take care of presenting HiveMind to
the Attic PMC and the board for inclusion in the Attic.

James Carman

[Massimo Lusetti]

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:26 PM, James Carman
<james@...> wrote:

> Here's what I have:
>
> The HiveMind PMC has voted to move HiveMind into the "Attic."  Henri
> Yandell has graciously offered to take care of presenting HiveMind to
> the Attic PMC and the board for inclusion in the Attic.
>
> James Carman

It has been a good library/framework to work with and served as a
launch pad for next generation IoC but this seems the right decision.

Thanks to all HiveMind developers!

Regards
--
Massimo
http://meridio.blogspot.com

[Jochen_Z]

I don't get it ... could some one explain this decision?
There were some discussions on this list about HiveMind.
There was even the effort to do a maintenance release.
I grant you that there was not much reaction to it, but at least the HiveMind PMC should have reacted in some way ... no one cared to answer to even direct questions about help on this topic ...

If you planned this anyway for some reasons you could have explained this in the past instead of encourage further work and then simply stop answering questions ... that's sort of weird, I think :-(

Cheers,
Jochen




-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:31:38 +0100
> Von: Massimo Lusetti <mlusetti@...>
> An: dev@...
> Betreff: Re: [DRAFT] HiveMind Board Report - March 2009

> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:26 PM, James Carman
> <james@...> wrote:
>
> > Here's what I have:
> >
> > The HiveMind PMC has voted to move HiveMind into the "Attic."  Henri
> > Yandell has graciously offered to take care of presenting HiveMind to
> > the Attic PMC and the board for inclusion in the Attic.
> >
> > James Carman
>
> It has been a good library/framework to work with and served as a
> launch pad for next generation IoC but this seems the right decision.
>
> Thanks to all HiveMind developers!
>
> Regards
> --
> Massimo
> http://meridio.blogspot.com

[Raffael Herzog-2]

Am Mittwoch, 4. März 2009 22.26:27 schrieb James Carman:
> Here's what I have:
>
> The HiveMind PMC has voted to move HiveMind into the "Attic."  Henri
> Yandell has graciously offered to take care of presenting HiveMind to
> the Attic PMC and the board for inclusion in the Attic.
>
> James Carman

That's a pity ... but no surprise, it was only a question of time ... :(

To explain myself, as I am one who at least talked about contributing to
HiveMind, but never did:

What I am using and developing is an extension to HiveMind, a thing, that
would always be a separate project. HiveApp, is I uninspiredly call it, is
in production about 20 times, and that number is growing and will continue
to grow.

I needed some things to be done differently, but those were things that the
majority of "plain HiveMind" users wouldn't care about. This fact makes it
very difficult for me to start contributing to HiveMind itself, because I'm
often looking at things from a different perspective. Where some people
wanted new features, my focus would rather be to open HiveMind to provide
hooks at implementation-level, where I and possibly other people working at
low-level could hook into and extend HiveMind.

As an example: HiveMind is largely designed to run within a web application
server. The way I'm using it, I reverse things: Jetty is running within the
HiveMind container. Therefore, it's very difficult for me to contribute "my
things", as most people don't use HiveMind like that.

In the end, HiveMind is a great piece of code that "just works". One might
actually consider to release HiveMind 3.1416 ... ;)

Cheers,
   Raffi

--
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no difference, but in practice, there is.

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[Henri Yandell]

It's a direct reaction to the effort.

Users are trying to put together the release. There is no one in the
project committers to support them. Therefore the project needs to be
moved to the Attic which will have clear instructions and support for
others to fork the project with Apache's blessing. Ideally it's not a
fork but rather a closing down at Apache and a starting up elsewhere
with a new group.

So now that the HiveMind committers have voted for that, the Attic
group will be able to use it as a first use case to put together those
instructions/blessing/steps.

Hope that helps - this is specifically to try to help the situation
where a project has an active user base but no developer base, as with
HiveMind.

Hen

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:29 AM, Jochen Zimmermann <zet4080@...> wrote:

> I don't get it ... could some one explain this decision?
> There were some discussions on this list about HiveMind.
> There was even the effort to do a maintenance release.
> I grant you that there was not much reaction to it, but at least the HiveMind PMC should have reacted in some way ... no one cared to answer to even direct questions about help on this topic ...
>
> If you planned this anyway for some reasons you could have explained this in the past instead of encourage further work and then simply stop answering questions ... that's sort of weird, I think :-(
>
> Cheers,
> Jochen
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>> Datum: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:31:38 +0100
>> Von: Massimo Lusetti <mlusetti@...>
>> An: dev@...
>> Betreff: Re: [DRAFT] HiveMind Board Report - March 2009
> - Show quoted text -
>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:26 PM, James Carman
>> <james@...> wrote:
>>
>> > Here's what I have:
>> >
>> > The HiveMind PMC has voted to move HiveMind into the "Attic."  Henri
>> > Yandell has graciously offered to take care of presenting HiveMind to
>> > the Attic PMC and the board for inclusion in the Attic.
>> >
>> > James Carman
>>
>> It has been a good library/framework to work with and served as a
>> launch pad for next generation IoC but this seems the right decision.
>>
>> Thanks to all HiveMind developers!
>>
>> Regards
>> --
>> Massimo
>> http://meridio.blogspot.com
>

[Jochen_Z]

Thanks for that explanation - it makes the intention clear now :-)

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 19:26:13 -0800
> Von: Henri Yandell <flamefew@...>
> An: dev@...
> Betreff: Re: [DRAFT] HiveMind Board Report - March 2009

> It's a direct reaction to the effort.
>
> Users are trying to put together the release. There is no one in the
> project committers to support them. Therefore the project needs to be
> moved to the Attic which will have clear instructions and support for
> others to fork the project with Apache's blessing. Ideally it's not a
> fork but rather a closing down at Apache and a starting up elsewhere
> with a new group.
>
> So now that the HiveMind committers have voted for that, the Attic
> group will be able to use it as a first use case to put together those
> instructions/blessing/steps.
>
> Hope that helps - this is specifically to try to help the situation
> where a project has an active user base but no developer base, as with
> HiveMind.
>
> Hen
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:29 AM, Jochen Zimmermann <zet4080@...> wrote:
> > I don't get it ... could some one explain this decision?
> > There were some discussions on this list about HiveMind.
> > There was even the effort to do a maintenance release.
> > I grant you that there was not much reaction to it, but at least the
> HiveMind PMC should have reacted in some way ... no one cared to answer to
> even direct questions about help on this topic ...
> >
> > If you planned this anyway for some reasons you could have explained
> this in the past instead of encourage further work and then simply stop
> answering questions ... that's sort of weird, I think :-(
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jochen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> >> Datum: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:31:38 +0100
> >> Von: Massimo Lusetti <mlusetti@...>
> >> An: dev@...
> >> Betreff: Re: [DRAFT] HiveMind Board Report - March 2009
> > - Show quoted text -
> >> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:26 PM, James Carman
> >> <james@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Here's what I have:
> >> >
> >> > The HiveMind PMC has voted to move HiveMind into the "Attic."  Henri
> >> > Yandell has graciously offered to take care of presenting HiveMind to
> >> > the Attic PMC and the board for inclusion in the Attic.
> >> >
> >> > James Carman
> >>
> >> It has been a good library/framework to work with and served as a
> >> launch pad for next generation IoC but this seems the right decision.
> >>
> >> Thanks to all HiveMind developers!
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> --
> >> Massimo
> >> http://meridio.blogspot.com
> >

[Johan Lindquist]

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Hi Henry,

So while the Attic group picks the project up, would you actively be
looking for a group to pick it up, or does a group have to 'announce'
itself to be considered?

Also, for practical things such as patches etc supplied, would these be
available after a closure?

Cheers,

Johan

Henri Yandell wrote:

> It's a direct reaction to the effort.
>
> Users are trying to put together the release. There is no one in the
> project committers to support them. Therefore the project needs to be
> moved to the Attic which will have clear instructions and support for
> others to fork the project with Apache's blessing. Ideally it's not a
> fork but rather a closing down at Apache and a starting up elsewhere
> with a new group.
>
> So now that the HiveMind committers have voted for that, the Attic
> group will be able to use it as a first use case to put together those
> instructions/blessing/steps.
>
> Hope that helps - this is specifically to try to help the situation
> where a project has an active user base but no developer base, as with
> HiveMind.
>
> Hen
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:29 AM, Jochen Zimmermann <zet4080@...> wrote:
>> I don't get it ... could some one explain this decision?
>> There were some discussions on this list about HiveMind.
>> There was even the effort to do a maintenance release.
>> I grant you that there was not much reaction to it, but at least the HiveMind PMC should have reacted in some way ... no one cared to answer to even direct questions about help on this topic ...
>>
>> If you planned this anyway for some reasons you could have explained this in the past instead of encourage further work and then simply stop answering questions ... that's sort of weird, I think :-(
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jochen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>>> Datum: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:31:38 +0100
>>> Von: Massimo Lusetti <mlusetti@...>
>>> An: dev@...
>>> Betreff: Re: [DRAFT] HiveMind Board Report - March 2009
>> - Show quoted text -
>>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:26 PM, James Carman
>>> <james@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's what I have:
>>>>
>>>> The HiveMind PMC has voted to move HiveMind into the "Attic."  Henri
>>>> Yandell has graciously offered to take care of presenting HiveMind to
>>>> the Attic PMC and the board for inclusion in the Attic.
>>>>
>>>> James Carman
>>> It has been a good library/framework to work with and served as a
>>> launch pad for next generation IoC but this seems the right decision.
>>>
>>> Thanks to all HiveMind developers!
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> --
>>> Massimo
>>> http://meridio.blogspot.com
>
>

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