[KDE Usability] Configuring toolbars

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[KDE Usability] Configuring toolbars

by David Edmundson :: Rate this Message:

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Hey all,

The other day I tried to reconfigure the icons on the toolbar in Kopete (or in
fact any KDE application) and didn't think the interface was particularly
great or quick to use.

I then tried to make a working prototype of how I think it should work. I've
got a screencast on my blog  http://www.sharpley.org.uk/page/blog/22

Effectively (though I didn't notice at the time) I've ended up designing
something identical to how toolbars are configured in Firefox.

I'm writing here because I don't claim to actually know anything about
usability, and wanted to check that you agreed with the proposed change,
before I spend  a lot of time working on a proper patch to show the kdelibs
guys.

David Edmundson
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Re: [KDE Usability] Configuring toolbars

by Bugzilla from bluedzins@wp.pl :: Rate this Message:

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On Sunday 13 September 2009 20:58:32 David Edmundson wrote:

> I then tried to make a working prototype of how I think it should
> work. I've got a screencast on my blog
> http://www.sharpley.org.uk/page/blog/22

Great work! I see one disadvantage only right away -- extensive mouse
movement. So my remarks:
* I hope it is sticky d&d (like in panel now)
* double LMB in toolbar dialog could append icon at the end of
the "active" toolbar
* double LMB in toolbar could remove the icon
* search editbox in toolbar dialog is missing

And if mechanism of toolbars someday will be extended -- management of
toolbars: adding, removing, showing/hiding, renaming.

Thank you David.

Cheers,
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Re: [KDE Usability] Configuring toolbars

by Bugzilla from agateau@kde.org :: Rate this Message:

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David Edmundson a écrit :
> Hey all,
>
> The other day I tried to reconfigure the icons on the toolbar in Kopete (or in
> fact any KDE application) and didn't think the interface was particularly
> great or quick to use.
>
> I then tried to make a working prototype of how I think it should work. I've
> got a screencast on my blog  http://www.sharpley.org.uk/page/blog/22

Looks great! I have been working on this some time ago, but didn't find
a nice solution for KPart-enabled applications, because in this case
there are quite a few restrictions on how you can move toolbuttons
around as the KPart buttons must still be grouped together.

I would be curious to see how your patch work on Konqueror for example.

Aurélien
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Re: [KDE Usability] Configuring toolbars

by David Edmundson :: Rate this Message:

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> David Edmundson a écrit :
>> Hey all,
>>
>> The other day I tried to reconfigure the icons on the toolbar in Kopete
>> (or in
>> fact any KDE application) and didn't think the interface was
>> particularly
>> great or quick to use.
>>
>> I then tried to make a working prototype of how I think it should work.
>> I've
>> got a screencast on my blog  http://www.sharpley.org.uk/page/blog/22
>
> Looks great! I have been working on this some time ago, but didn't find
> a nice solution for KPart-enabled applications, because in this case
> there are quite a few restrictions on how you can move toolbuttons
> around as the KPart buttons must still be grouped together.
>
> I would be curious to see how your patch work on Konqueror for example.

I did have a think about that, then promptly ignored it. My code was more
of a bodge mockup than a patch and it doesn't save the positions of
dragged icons. Which is where the kparts problem would occur.

I'm currently working on a proper patch where that issue should be
present. I think in it's current code design it won't allow you to drag
actions from parts into toolbars owned by the main window, and vice versa.
However there wouldn't be a clear indication to the user as to why. I'll
implement what I can, then come back here and try to come up with a
solution to that problem.


(from another email)
> * I hope it is sticky d&d (like in panel now)

What is sticky drag and drop?

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Re: [KDE Usability] Configuring toolbars

by Bugzilla from bluedzins@wp.pl :: Rate this Message:

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On Monday 14 September 2009 12:12:03 david@... wrote:

> > * I hope it is sticky d&d (like in panel now)
>
> What is sticky drag and drop?

Click to drag, click to drop (there is no holding LMB pressed while
dragging).

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