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[PATCH] antispam attribute
by VMiklos-3
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hi,
http://frugalware.org/~vmiklos/patches/antispam.diff this simple patch allows one to use asciidoc -a antispam so that the email address won't be shown directly in html pages. opinions? thanks _______________________________________________ asciidoc-discuss mailing list asciidoc-discuss@... http://lists.metaperl.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/asciidoc-discuss |
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Re: [PATCH] antispam attribute
by VMiklos-3
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On 4/4/08, VMiklos <vmiklos@...> wrote:
> http://frugalware.org/~vmiklos/patches/antispam.diff > > this simple patch allows one to use asciidoc -a antispam so that the > email address won't be shown directly in html pages. Stuart, could you please commit it? :) i think some kind of such antispam feature would be useful, but if you would like a different implementation, i'm interested as well. thanks _______________________________________________ asciidoc-discuss mailing list asciidoc-discuss@... http://lists.metaperl.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/asciidoc-discuss |
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Re: [PATCH] antispam attribute
by VMiklos-3
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On 4/14/08, VMiklos <vmiklos@...> wrote:
> Stuart, could you please commit it? :) err, i wanted to write 'comment', sorry. _______________________________________________ asciidoc-discuss mailing list asciidoc-discuss@... http://lists.metaperl.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/asciidoc-discuss |
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Re: [PATCH] antispam attribute
by Stuart Rackham
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VMiklos wrote:
> On 4/4/08, VMiklos <vmiklos@...> wrote: >> http://frugalware.org/~vmiklos/patches/antispam.diff >> >> this simple patch allows one to use asciidoc -a antispam so that the >> email address won't be shown directly in html pages. > > Stuart, could you please commit it? :) > > i think some kind of such antispam feature would be useful, but if you > would like a different implementation, i'm interested as well. Sorry I haven't been able to get back sooner. My first thought was (bear in mind that I don't know much about spam) that any email address harvester worth it's salt would already know how translate obfusticated addresses. I'm more than happy to put the patch in if it's going to be effective -- so I guess my question is is there any quantifiable evidence out there that this technique would actually work? Cheers, Stuart > > thanks > _______________________________________________ > asciidoc-discuss mailing list > asciidoc-discuss@... > http://lists.metaperl.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/asciidoc-discuss > _______________________________________________ asciidoc-discuss mailing list asciidoc-discuss@... http://lists.metaperl.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/asciidoc-discuss |
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Re: [PATCH] antispam attribute
by Alex Efros-4
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On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 08:01:10PM +0200, VMiklos wrote: > > http://frugalware.org/~vmiklos/patches/antispam.diff > > > > this simple patch allows one to use asciidoc -a antispam so that the > > email address won't be shown directly in html pages. AFAIK spam robots able to process all email modified in such simple way. So only change will be is making life more complex for normal users (they will not be able to just copy&paste to send email). If you wish to really hide email, you probably should play with JavaScript. Such sort of protection will not hacked by spammers (yet) AFAIK. But you'll have to decide what to do in case user doesn't have JavaScript enabled. -- WBR, Alex. _______________________________________________ asciidoc-discuss mailing list asciidoc-discuss@... http://lists.metaperl.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/asciidoc-discuss |
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Re: [PATCH] antispam attribute
by Stuart Rackham
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Alex Efros wrote:
> Hi! > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 08:01:10PM +0200, VMiklos wrote: >>> http://frugalware.org/~vmiklos/patches/antispam.diff >>> >>> this simple patch allows one to use asciidoc -a antispam so that the >>> email address won't be shown directly in html pages. > > AFAIK spam robots able to process all email modified in such simple way. > So only change will be is making life more complex for normal users (they > will not be able to just copy&paste to send email). Why not just explicitly specify your obfusticated address in the document header? For example: :email: me-at-mydomain-dot-com or even (all one line): :email: {amp}#x61;{amp}#x40;{amp}#x62;{amp}#x2e;{amp}#x63;{amp}#x6f;{amp}#x6d; This way the obfustication scheme is not hard wired into AsciiDoc and the obfustication can be seen in the source document. > > If you wish to really hide email, you probably should play with JavaScript. > Such sort of protection will not hacked by spammers (yet) AFAIK. > But you'll have to decide what to do in case user doesn't have JavaScript > enabled. > There a nice description of the basic techniques here: http://labnol.blogspot.com/2006/03/hide-your-email-address-on-websites.html Cheers, Stuart _______________________________________________ asciidoc-discuss mailing list asciidoc-discuss@... http://lists.metaperl.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/asciidoc-discuss |
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Re: [PATCH] antispam attribute
by Alex Efros-4
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On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 06:55:33PM +1200, Stuart Rackham wrote: > Why not just explicitly specify your obfusticated address in the > document header? For example: Because that obfuscation isn't something I should think about while writing documents. Robots should fight robots, not people. One more reason - this obfuscation is usually needed only for one backend - html. So, it's much better behaviour when I write email in document as is, and after converting to html I also see it in browser as is, able to copy&paste it, able to click to execute mailto:... but at same time it's hard for spam robots to find this email in html source. Of course, if such feature will be added, it should be possible to use it for any email in document body, not only author's email. -- WBR, Alex. _______________________________________________ asciidoc-discuss mailing list asciidoc-discuss@... http://lists.metaperl.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/asciidoc-discuss |
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Re: [PATCH] antispam attribute
by VMiklos-3
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On 4/15/08, Stuart Rackham <srackham@...> wrote:
> Why not just explicitly specify your obfusticated address in the > document header? For example: > > :email: me-at-mydomain-dot-com > > or even (all one line): > > :email: > {amp}#x61;{amp}#x40;{amp}#x62;{amp}#x2e;{amp}#x63;{amp}#x6f;{amp}#x6d; > > This way the obfustication scheme is not hard wired into AsciiDoc and > the obfustication can be seen in the source document. heh, good idea. somehow i remembered (incorrectly) about asciidoc does some syntax check, so the email must be in a foo@... form. thanks for pointing this out! _______________________________________________ asciidoc-discuss mailing list asciidoc-discuss@... http://lists.metaperl.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/asciidoc-discuss |
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Re: [PATCH] antispam attribute
by Stuart Rackham
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VMiklos wrote:
> On 4/15/08, Stuart Rackham <srackham@...> wrote: >> Why not just explicitly specify your obfusticated address in the >> document header? For example: >> >> :email: me-at-mydomain-dot-com >> >> or even (all one line): >> >> :email: >> {amp}#x61;{amp}#x40;{amp}#x62;{amp}#x2e;{amp}#x63;{amp}#x6f;{amp}#x6d; >> >> This way the obfustication scheme is not hard wired into AsciiDoc and >> the obfustication can be seen in the source document. > > heh, good idea. somehow i remembered (incorrectly) about asciidoc does > some syntax check, so the email must be in a foo@... form. thanks > for pointing this out! The syntax check is only performed if you put the email address in the header author line, if you use an attribute entry it's not checked. Cheers, Stuart _______________________________________________ asciidoc-discuss mailing list asciidoc-discuss@... http://lists.metaperl.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/asciidoc-discuss |
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Re: [PATCH] antispam attribute
by Stuart Rackham
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Alex Efros wrote:
> Hi! > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 06:55:33PM +1200, Stuart Rackham wrote: >> Why not just explicitly specify your obfusticated address in the >> document header? For example: > > Because that obfuscation isn't something I should think about while > writing documents. Robots should fight robots, not people. > One more reason - this obfuscation is usually needed only for one backend - > html. > > So, it's much better behaviour when I write email in document as is, and > after converting to html I also see it in browser as is, able to > copy&paste it, able to click to execute mailto:... but at same time it's > hard for spam robots to find this email in html source. > > Of course, if such feature will be added, it should be possible to use it > for any email in document body, not only author's email. > I agree and I think the best place for these mechanisms is a separate program i.e. a utility for post processing the html or in a Web server plugin. Cheers, Stuart _______________________________________________ asciidoc-discuss mailing list asciidoc-discuss@... http://lists.metaperl.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/asciidoc-discuss |
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