[Tellico-users] Tellico 2.0pre2 Released

[robbystephenson]

Hi everyone,

Tellico 2.0pre2 is available at
http://tellico-project.org/files/tellico-2.0pre2.tar.bz2

Since version 2.0pre1 was released, the following changes have been made:

    * The dependency on the QCA2 library was removed. It is no longer
necessary for running Amazon searches.
    * Default fields for entry creation and modification date were added.
    * The documentation was updated.
    * A bug that caused a crash with some large images was fixed.
    * HTML export was fixed to include correct image location.
    * A crashing bug when creating loans was fixed.
    * Saving the visible columns and ordering was fixed.

Bang on it as much as you like, please backup your data. Send your issues to
the mailing list.

Same announcement at
http://tellico-project.org/tellico-20pre2-released

It'll be about two weeks before 2.0 is out for good.

Thanks!
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[Sebastian Held]

Hi Robby,

were there problems integrating the new webcam code sent to you Aug 6th?
I'm aware the patch didn't reach the list, because it was too big, but you
should have received a copy.

Anything I can do about this?

Sebastian

Am Dienstag, 1. September 2009 16:30:46 schrieb Robby Stephenson:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Tellico 2.0pre2 is available at
> http://tellico-project.org/files/tellico-2.0pre2.tar.bz2
>
> Since version 2.0pre1 was released, the following changes have been made:
>
>     * The dependency on the QCA2 library was removed. It is no longer
> necessary for running Amazon searches.
>     * Default fields for entry creation and modification date were added.
>     * The documentation was updated.
>     * A bug that caused a crash with some large images was fixed.
>     * HTML export was fixed to include correct image location.
>     * A crashing bug when creating loans was fixed.
>     * Saving the visible columns and ordering was fixed.
>
> Bang on it as much as you like, please backup your data. Send your issues
> to the mailing list.
>
> Same announcement at
> http://tellico-project.org/tellico-20pre2-released
>
> It'll be about two weeks before 2.0 is out for good.
>
> Thanks!
> Robby
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[Robert Hancock-5]

Hi,

I have just succeeded building and running tellico-2.0pre2.
I can open and save existing data files, including modifying existing
entries. However, when I create a new entry, tellico exits with a
segmentation fault as soon as I try to save it.
(The KDE crash handler comes up but the developer information is
described as 'not useful'.)

what more information should i try to provide?

robert h.

>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Tellico 2.0pre2 is available at
>> http://tellico-project.org/files/tellico-2.0pre2.tar.bz2
>>
>> Since version 2.0pre1 was released, the following changes have been made:
>>
>>      * The dependency on the QCA2 library was removed. It is no longer
>> necessary for running Amazon searches.
>>      * Default fields for entry creation and modification date were added.
>>      * The documentation was updated.
>>      * A bug that caused a crash with some large images was fixed.
>>      * HTML export was fixed to include correct image location.
>>      * A crashing bug when creating loans was fixed.
>>      * Saving the visible columns and ordering was fixed.
>>
>> Bang on it as much as you like, please backup your data. Send your issues
>> to the mailing list.
>>
>> Same announcement at
>> http://tellico-project.org/tellico-20pre2-released
>>
>> It'll be about two weeks before 2.0 is out for good.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Robby
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[robbystephenson]

On Wednesday 02 September 2009, Sebastian Held wrote:
> Hi Robby,
>
> were there problems integrating the new webcam code sent to you Aug 6th?
> I'm aware the patch didn't reach the list, because it was too big, but
> you should have received a copy.

Ah, no. I didn't get it. Would you please resend it?

Thanks!
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[robbystephenson]

On Wednesday 02 September 2009, Robert Hancock wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have just succeeded building and running tellico-2.0pre2.
> I can open and save existing data files, including modifying existing
> entries. However, when I create a new entry, tellico exits with a
> segmentation fault as soon as I try to save it.
> (The KDE crash handler comes up but the developer information is
> described as 'not useful'.)
>
> what more information should i try to provide?

If you recompile using the -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=debug flag for the cmake
command, the crash handler should have useful info. You can send that. And
the exact steps that causes the crash? Does it matter what kind of
collection?

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[Robert Hancock-5]

On 02/09/2009 14:42, Robby Stephenson wrote:

> On Wednesday 02 September 2009, Robert Hancock wrote:
>    
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have just succeeded building and running tellico-2.0pre2.
>> I can open and save existing data files, including modifying existing
>> entries. However, when I create a new entry, tellico exits with a
>> segmentation fault as soon as I try to save it.
>> (The KDE crash handler comes up but the developer information is
>> described as 'not useful'.)
>>
>> what more information should i try to provide?
>>      
> If you recompile using the -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=debug flag for the cmake
> command, the crash handler should have useful info. You can send that. And
> the exact steps that causes the crash? Does it matter what kind of
> collection?
>
> Robby
>    

i have recompiled with debug. now the failure is different - in the
terminal where I start tellico it prints
ASSERT: "d" in file /usr/include/ksharedptr.h, line 126
KCrash: Application 'tellico' crashing...

but now it exits with an abort (signal 6) rather than a sigseg (signall
11). the crash information still appears uninteresting but here it is anyway
Application: Tellico (tellico), signal: Aborted
#0  0xb7f7d424 in __kernel_vsyscall ()
#1  0xb5d42650 in nanosleep () from /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
#2  0xb5d4248e in sleep () from /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
#3  0xb7e1e300 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.5
#4  0x00000000 in ?? ()

for a sequence of events:
my-path-to-tellico/tellico
click 'new' menu button (or ctrl-N)
type anything into any of the boxes (1 will do)
click save button (or alt-V)
crash happens

this only happens when i open an existing collection - with a new
collection everything is fine. and since the only existing collection i
have is for books, i can't answer for the other types.

i hope the "assert d" is helpful. i can see if i can make a minimal
existing collection with the same properties, but that will take a while.

robert h.
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[Sebastian Held]

I resent it to your email address.

Best regards,
Sebastian

Am Mittwoch, 2. September 2009 15:39:29 schrieb Robby Stephenson:

> On Wednesday 02 September 2009, Sebastian Held wrote:
> > Hi Robby,
> >
> > were there problems integrating the new webcam code sent to you Aug 6th?
> > I'm aware the patch didn't reach the list, because it was too big, but
> > you should have received a copy.
>
> Ah, no. I didn't get it. Would you please resend it?
>
> Thanks!
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[robbystephenson]

On Wednesday 02 September 2009, Robert Hancock wrote:

> for a sequence of events:
> my-path-to-tellico/tellico
> click 'new' menu button (or ctrl-N)
> type anything into any of the boxes (1 will do)
> click save button (or alt-V)
> crash happens
>
> this only happens when i open an existing collection - with a new
> collection everything is fine. and since the only existing collection i
> have is for books, i can't answer for the other types.

Thanks for sending me a copy of your collection privately. I just checked-in
a fix for the crash.

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[robbystephenson]

OK, got it. First comment, maybe we could use an installed version of libv4l
instead of including the source code in Tellico? I see that opensuse,
fedora, and debian do package it.

Robby


On Wednesday 02 September 2009, Sebastian Held wrote:

> I resent it to your email address.
>
> Best regards,
> Sebastian
>
> Am Mittwoch, 2. September 2009 15:39:29 schrieb Robby Stephenson:
> > On Wednesday 02 September 2009, Sebastian Held wrote:
> > > Hi Robby,
> > >
> > > were there problems integrating the new webcam code sent to you Aug
> > > 6th? I'm aware the patch didn't reach the list, because it was too
> > > big, but you should have received a copy.
> >
> > Ah, no. I didn't get it. Would you please resend it?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Robby
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[Regis Boudin]

Hi all,

Ridiculously busy at the moment, but hoping to package tellico 2.0pre2
next week and upload it to experimental.

On Thu, September 3, 2009 04:31, Robby Stephenson wrote:
> OK, got it. First comment, maybe we could use an installed version of
> libv4l instead of including the source code in Tellico? I see that
> opensuse, fedora, and debian do package it.

I fully second that.

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[robbystephenson]

On Wednesday 02 September 2009, Sebastian Held wrote:
> Hi Robby,
>
> were there problems integrating the new webcam code sent to you Aug 6th?
> I'm aware the patch didn't reach the list, because it was too big, but
> you should have received a copy.

I just checked in the updated webcam code, which should use the system
installed version of libv4l, if anyone wants to give SVN a shot.

Sebastian, thanks for the patches. I added you to the authors list, too.

Robby

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[Alex Lancaster]

>>>>> Robby Stephenson  writes:

> Hi everyone,
> Tellico 2.0pre2 is available at
> http://tellico-project.org/files/tellico-2.0pre2.tar.bz2

> Since version 2.0pre1 was released, the following changes have been made:

>     * The dependency on the QCA2 library was removed. It is no longer
> necessary for running Amazon searches.
>     * Default fields for entry creation and modification date were added.
>     * The documentation was updated.
>     * A bug that caused a crash with some large images was fixed.
>     * HTML export was fixed to include correct image location.
>     * A crashing bug when creating loans was fixed.
>     * Saving the visible columns and ordering was fixed.

> Bang on it as much as you like, please backup your data. Send your
> issues to the mailing list.

Hi Robbie,

Thanks for making the pre-release 2 available for testing.  I got the
code compiled on a Fedora 11 machine against kdelibs 4.3.0-6.fc11 (I'm
a co-maintainer of the package for Fedora).  Most things work fine,
but I am having some issues:

1. I recently got my CueCat barcode scanner (which was gathering dust
   in a closet) working for scanning for the ISBN.  It's a
   non-"defanged" one, meaning that it needs the parsing code to get
   the ISBN number.  This works well when using the entry box and
   searching against Amazon or LOC.  But when I attempt to use the
   CueCat in the "multiple ISBN" dialog tellico doesn't apparently
   decode the the CueCat output into an ISBN, it actually causes the
   multiple entry dialog to either disappear or fill with garbage.
   This severely hampers the speedy scanning of a large library (which
   I'm attempt to do) as you have to scan, add, scan add, etc.  rather
   than adding a stack of books, say, batches of 10 or 20.

2. When I choose a title in the list and right-click to update from a
   source, say, Amazon, the information in the lower pane doesn't
   update immediately, you have to mouse off the entry and back to it
   to see the updates.  This leads to user confusion as to whehter the
   update was actually performed.  I actually tried updating a title
   multiple times, thinking it wasn't working, then discovered it was
   by unselecting and then reselection the entry.

On other issues, not strictly bugs per se, more RFEs for down the
track:

1. I notice that fields never appear to auto-complete.  For example, I
   added a new field "Purchase Location" for bookstore or city in
   which I purchase a book.  I'm so used to this in other
   applications, that I expected that the field would autocomplete
   with previous entries for that field, to save retyping the name of
   cities etc. but it does not.  Does this feature exist for some
   fields, has it ever been considered for tellico?

2. The "Purchase Date" field appears to be free-form text, it doesn't
   attempt to validate the date in any way, is there anyway to enable
   this, does it need to be implemented?  It would be nice for all a
   date typed in as, say, "6 sep 2009" to be magically formatted as
   2009-09-06.  This would allow more standardized searching and the
   ability to create filters such as: finding all books for which
   "Purchase Date is between 2000-02-01 and 2009-03-27".

Thanks for the very nice piece of software, I about to attempt to
follow what this author did here:

http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/easy_library_catalog_tellico

Thanks!
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[robbystephenson]

On Sunday 06 September 2009, Alex Lancaster wrote:
> 1. I recently got my CueCat barcode scanner (which was gathering dust
>    in a closet) working for scanning for the ISBN.  It's a
>    non-"defanged" one, meaning that it needs the parsing code to get
>    the ISBN number.  This works well when using the entry box and
>    searching against Amazon or LOC.  But when I attempt to use the
>    CueCat in the "multiple ISBN" dialog tellico doesn't apparently
>    decode the the CueCat output into an ISBN, it actually causes the
>    multiple entry dialog to either disappear or fill with garbage.

Yeah, I should probably figure out how to get the validator to work there,
too.

> 2. When I choose a title in the list and right-click to update from a
>    source, say, Amazon, the information in the lower pane doesn't
>    update immediately

Ah, thanks, I'll work on that.

> 1. I notice that fields never appear to auto-complete.  For example, I
>    added a new field "Purchase Location" for bookstore or city in
>    which I purchase a book.  [...]  Does this feature exist for some
>    fields, has it ever been considered for tellico?

You have to turn on "Allow grouping.." for the field to have auto-
completion. Open up the field dialog to edit that.

> 2. The "Purchase Date" field appears to be free-form text, it doesn't
>    attempt to validate the date in any way, is there anyway to enable
>    this, does it need to be implemented?

There's no validation, but you can change it to a full Date field rather
than a free text field.

> Thanks for the very nice piece of software.

Sure, thanks for the email.

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[Jerome Quelin-2]

>     * Default fields for entry creation and modification date were added.

btw, how can we add those date fields to existing collections?
i can add some dates, but how can i set up modification date so it get
automatically updated with the entry?

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[robbystephenson]

On Sunday 06 September 2009, Jerome Quelin wrote:
> >     * Default fields for entry creation and modification date were
> > added.
>
> btw, how can we add those date fields to existing collections?
> i can add some dates, but how can i set up modification date so it get
> automatically updated with the entry?

For collections made with the 1.3.x series, it should get added
automatically. If not, let me know.

For newer files, but before the new fields were added, there are a couple of
options:
        1) Create a new collection of the same type, then import your existing
collection into it. Unless you've customized a lot of your default fields,
that's probably easiest. For translations, it's also an easy way to get your
field titles translated to default translations.
        2) Create date fields named  "cdate" and "mdate" (which are the
internal names of the new fields) and "Apply". Then you can retitle them
however you want.

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[Alex Lancaster]

>>>>> Robby Stephenson  writes:

> On Sunday 06 September 2009, Alex Lancaster wrote:
>> 1. I recently got my CueCat barcode scanner (which was gathering dust
>> in a closet) working for scanning for the ISBN.  It's a
>> non-"defanged" one, meaning that it needs the parsing code to get
>> the ISBN number.  This works well when using the entry box and
>> searching against Amazon or LOC.  But when I attempt to use the
>> CueCat in the "multiple ISBN" dialog tellico doesn't apparently
>> decode the the CueCat output into an ISBN, it actually causes the
>> multiple entry dialog to either disappear or fill with garbage.

> Yeah, I should probably figure out how to get the validator to work there,
> too.

That would be a big help, thanks.

>> 2. When I choose a title in the list and right-click to update from a
>> source, say, Amazon, the information in the lower pane doesn't
>> update immediately

> Ah, thanks, I'll work on that.

I also managed to generate a couple of crashes, the first was when
adding a particular entry (just posted the crash in a separate e-mail
report), the second occurred when I attmpted to select a number of
books and change a value across multiple entries.  I think I narrowed
this down to a single problematic entry, which crashed whenever I try
to edit it which I'll try to send the crash in a separate e-mail.

A couple of other little UI bugs I noticed:

1. I can select a grouping variable, "Author", "Title" etc. and it
   will be remembered between application restarts for all fields
   except for "<People>".  If I select that, then on restart it
   defaults back to "Author".

2. If I create a "Filter" or "Loans" and select the overall filter
   (not just elements in the filter), then in the lower right pane it
   shows only the icons for the books in that filter, but the list of
   entries in the top-right pane remains the full list.  I would
   expect that the list would also be filtered to that subset.  Either
   way, it seems inconsisent for the two right panes to be showing
   different subsets of data.  Basically it seems the list of entries
   shown in the top-right pane never changes no matter what is
   selected, which clashes with the way most cataloguing applications
   from rhythmbox to iTunes do it, which is to filter the list view
   based on the the browsed or searched entities.

>> 1. I notice that fields never appear to auto-complete.  For example, I
>> added a new field "Purchase Location" for bookstore or city in
>> which I purchase a book.  [...]  Does this feature exist for some
>> fields, has it ever been considered for tellico?

> You have to turn on "Allow grouping.." for the field to have auto-
> completion. Open up the field dialog to edit that.

Thanks for that, that seems to work as expected.

>> 2. The "Purchase Date" field appears to be free-form text, it doesn't
>> attempt to validate the date in any way, is there anyway to enable
>> this, does it need to be implemented?

> There's no validation, but you can change it to a full Date field rather
> than a free text field.

I looked for that as a "Type" under the "Collection Fields" dialog.
Under the "Type" drop-down list is: "Simple Text", "Paragraph",
"Number", "URL" and "Table", but no "Date" option.  Is there some
other way of setting the field type?

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On Sunday 06 September 2009, Alex Lancaster wrote:
> 1. I recently got my CueCat barcode scanner (which was gathering dust
>    in a closet) working for scanning for the ISBN.  It's a
>    non-"defanged" one, meaning that it needs the parsing code to get
>    the ISBN number.  This works well when using the entry box and
>    searching against Amazon or LOC.  But when I attempt to use the
>    CueCat in the "multiple ISBN" dialog tellico doesn't apparently
>    decode the the CueCat output into an ISBN, it actually causes the
>    multiple entry dialog to either disappear or fill with garbage.

Fixed.

> 2. When I choose a title in the list and right-click to update from a
>    source, say, Amazon, the information in the lower pane doesn't
>    update immediately, you have to mouse off the entry and back to it
>    to see the updates.

Fixed

> I also managed to generate a couple of crashes, the first was when
> adding a particular entry (just posted the crash in a separate e-mail
> report)

A couple of people have reported that one, should be fixed at this point.

> , the second occurred when I attmpted to select a number of
> books and change a value across multiple entries.  I think I narrowed
> this down to a single problematic entry, which crashed whenever I try
> to edit it which I'll try to send the crash in a separate e-mail.

If you could send info on that problem entry, I'd appreciate it.

>  I can select a grouping variable, "Author", "Title" etc. and it
>    will be remembered between application restarts for all fields
>    except for "<People>".  If I select that, then on restart it
>    defaults back to "Author".

Fixed.

> 2. If I create a "Filter" or "Loans" and select the overall filter
>    (not just elements in the filter), then in the lower right pane it
>    shows only the icons for the books in that filter, but the list of
>    entries in the top-right pane remains the full list.  I would
>    expect that the list would also be filtered to that subset.  Either
>    way, it seems inconsisent for the two right panes to be showing
>    different subsets of data.  Basically it seems the list of entries
>    shown in the top-right pane never changes no matter what is
>    selected, which clashes with the way most cataloguing applications
>    from rhythmbox to iTunes do it, which is to filter the list view
>    based on the the browsed or searched entities.

Well, I've never used iTunes or Rhythmbox, so I don't typically use them for
comparison. My design thinking on that was that the lower right view always
shows the selection, with details if one entry is selected or icons if
multiple are selected. Selecting a loan or filter just means select all
entries below. Filtering, on the other hand, affects what is shown in the
column view and can be turned on by right-clicking on a Filter item on the
left sidebar or by actual creating a filter in the toolbar edit box or
filter dialog.

> >> 2. The "Purchase Date" field appears to be free-form text, it doesn't
> >> attempt to validate the date in any way, is there anyway to enable
> >> this, does it need to be implemented?
> >
> > There's no validation, but you can change it to a full Date field
> > rather than a free text field.
>
> I looked for that as a "Type" under the "Collection Fields" dialog.
> Under the "Type" drop-down list is: "Simple Text", "Paragraph",
> "Number", "URL" and "Table", but no "Date" option.  Is there some
> other way of setting the field type?

Whoops, sorry, should have tried that myself first. I limited the types of
field that could be adjusted, for value validation purposes. So really, you
can either delete the field and recreate it to get it as a full date field,
or edit  the XML in the file directly. :)

Robby
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