[VOTE] Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator

[Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez-2]

Hello all,

The Apache JSPWiki project entered Incubator in October of 2007. Since then
we have added two new committers from diverse organizations. The codebase
of our product has been growing slowly but surely, and we think is mature
enough to go through graduation; also, we have made two releases following
the ASF policies and guidelines. Thanks to the mentorship we have received
through this period, we have learnt to self-govern and grow our community
using accepted Apache practices.

Given these milestones, I feel that JSPWiki is ready to graduate from
Incubator.

The first step towards graduation is to vote as a community that JSPWiki is
ready to graduate. If the vote is successful, we will draft a board
resolution proposal and call it to vote on the general Incubator list. The
complete graduation process is described [1].

Please cast your votes:

[  ]  +1 Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
[  ]  +0 Indifferent to graduation status of JSPWiki
[  ]  +1 Reject graduation of JSPWiki from Incubator

This vote will remain open for at least 72 hours from now.

[1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html


Thanks,
juan pablo

[Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez-2]

+1


regards,
juan pablo


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Michael Gerzabek
<michael.gerzabek@...>wrote:

> +1
>
> Am 16.04.2012 00:04, schrieb Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > The Apache JSPWiki project entered Incubator in October of 2007. Since
> then
> > we have added two new committers from diverse organizations. The codebase
> > of our product has been growing slowly but surely, and we think is mature
> > enough to go through graduation; also, we have made two releases
> following
> > the ASF policies and guidelines. Thanks to the mentorship we have
> received
> > through this period, we have learnt to self-govern and grow our community
> > using accepted Apache practices.
> >
> > Given these milestones, I feel that JSPWiki is ready to graduate from
> > Incubator.
> >
> > The first step towards graduation is to vote as a community that JSPWiki
> is
> > ready to graduate. If the vote is successful, we will draft a board
> > resolution proposal and call it to vote on the general Incubator list.
> The
> > complete graduation process is described [1].
> >
> > Please cast your votes:
> >
> > [  ]  +1 Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
> > [  ]  +0 Indifferent to graduation status of JSPWiki
> > [  ]  +1 Reject graduation of JSPWiki from Incubator
> >
> > This vote will remain open for at least 72 hours from now.
> >
> > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > juan pablo
> >
>
>

[Ross Gardler-5]

Looking at the community activity this project looks like it lacks the
diversity required. For example, on the vote thread on the projects
own dev list there were only three +1 votes, one of which came from
someone who has only ever posted to the dev list on two other
occasions.

Furthermore I'm worried that in Janne said:

"The point of Apache Incubation is to incubate a community of people who can
create good software. So far our community seems to be dwindling more than
increasing (and I accept the blame for that - I just haven't had the time nor
the interest to put into this project). So I don't think it's wrong to say that
our incubation has essentially failed, and that we should consider some other
avenue, and go away from messing up the Apache Incubator."

and Harry said:

"We simply can't get people interested in doing the necessary things, both
the tech work and the non-tech work, and I personally do not have that much
time for the project either anymore.
So moving over to github is fine for me. (what will be the starting point
in github BTW, the current trunk, or 2.8.4 ?)"

Now we have this proposal to graduate. Juan Pablo didn't like the idea
of saying incubation had failed and has championed graduation.

Can I ask for someone more aware of JSPWiki activities please provide
a summary of why the proposals to declare failure in Jan were rejected
and what activities have been undertaken to turn this "failure" to
graduation. Please don't feel you need to defend the proposal, I'm
just looking for information to support my vote and also to help me
think about the discussions a couple of months ago about different
styles of incubation activity.

Ross

On 15 April 2012 23:46, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez
<juanpablo@...> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> The Apache JSPWiki project entered Incubator in October of 2007. Since then
> we have added two new committers from diverse organizations. The codebase
> of our product has been growing slowly but surely, and we think is mature
> enough to go through graduation; also, we have made two releases following
> the ASF policies and guidelines. Thanks to the mentorship we have received
> through this period, we have learnt to self-govern and grow our community
> using accepted Apache practices.
>
> Given these milestones, I feel that JSPWiki is ready to graduate from
> Incubator.
>
> The first step towards graduation is to vote as a community that JSPWiki is
> ready to graduate. If the vote is successful, we will draft a board
> resolution proposal and call it to vote on the general Incubator list. The
> complete graduation process is described [1].
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [  ]  +1 Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
> [  ]  +0 Indifferent to graduation status of JSPWiki
> [  ]  +1 Reject graduation of JSPWiki from Incubator
>
> This vote will remain open for at least 72 hours from now.
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>
>
> Thanks,
> juan pablo

--
Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Programme Leader (Open Development)
OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

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[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Ross Gardler
<rgardler@...> wrote:
> Can I ask for someone more aware of JSPWiki activities please provide
> a summary of why the proposals to declare failure in Jan were rejected
> and what activities have been undertaken to turn this "failure" to
> graduation. Please don't feel you need to defend the proposal, I'm
> just looking for information to support my vote and also to help me
> think about the discussions a couple of months ago about different
> styles of incubation activity.

+1 See also my related comments on the recent JSPWiki report:
http://markmail.org/message/xp34re25nadi4w6q

Are any of the JSPWiki mentors (I see Dave Johnson, Craig Russell,
Henning Schmiedehausen and Sam Ruby listed) still actively following
the project? Nobody signed off the JSPWiki report and I got no
responses to my status update question on general@.

IIIUC JSPWiki still hasn't made an official Apache release. Besides
being a graduation blocker ("Demonstrate ability to create Apache
releases" [1]), completing that task should also be a good way to both
demonstrate and increase community activity. Thus I recommend that you
cut a release before targeting graduation.

[1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#checklist

BR,

Jukka Zitting

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[Craig L Russell-2]

Hi Jukka,

I still follow JSPWiki. Apologies for not signing off on the report(s).

There is still activity on the mail lists; a viable project plan;  
several contributors active on the code and mail lists.

I'd let the vote continue to its conclusion before drawing other  
conclusions.

Craig

On Apr 16, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Ross Gardler
> <rgardler@...> wrote:
>> Can I ask for someone more aware of JSPWiki activities please provide
>> a summary of why the proposals to declare failure in Jan were  
>> rejected
>> and what activities have been undertaken to turn this "failure" to
>> graduation. Please don't feel you need to defend the proposal, I'm
>> just looking for information to support my vote and also to help me
>> think about the discussions a couple of months ago about different
>> styles of incubation activity.
>
> +1 See also my related comments on the recent JSPWiki report:
> http://markmail.org/message/xp34re25nadi4w6q
>
> Are any of the JSPWiki mentors (I see Dave Johnson, Craig Russell,
> Henning Schmiedehausen and Sam Ruby listed) still actively following
> the project? Nobody signed off the JSPWiki report and I got no
> responses to my status update question on general@.
>
> IIIUC JSPWiki still hasn't made an official Apache release. Besides
> being a graduation blocker ("Demonstrate ability to create Apache
> releases" [1]), completing that task should also be a good way to both
> demonstrate and increase community activity. Thus I recommend that you
> cut a release before targeting graduation.
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#checklist
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting

Craig L Russell
Architect, Oracle
http://db.apache.org/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@...
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[Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez]

Hi Ross,

no worries, community voting is also meant to bring up this kind of
conversations too. I will try to -briefly- express my opinion.

You are quoting the discussion started at [1], followed up at [2]. I would
like to highlight Florian's comments on first thread at [3], which
summarize pretty well the state of the project. We took Roller as an
example of a succesful Apache project, which is close to what happens to
JSPWiki: mature project + small numbers of committers, with little time.

So, as a community, we decided to proceed with graduation (thread at [2]).
In that sense, is not that I have championed anything, just proceeded with
what we decided previously.

JSPWiki, unlike most Apache projects, is backed by several individuals who
work on it only on their free time, so the absence of committers is felt
deeper than in other projects. The first thing we should do after we
graduate is to somehow ease the initial jump-in into the project. We have
postponed this step after graduation because we needed to set a line
somewhere in our long journey through incubation, and we felt that current
trunk is mature enough to be considered as an Apache TLP ([2] again,
heavily summarized).


kind regards,
juan pablo

[1]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jspwiki-dev/201201.mbox/%3C24918B2E-766A-4F7D-9C8D-F16EA030F392%40ecyrd.com%3E

[2]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jspwiki-dev/201201.mbox/%3CCABp47Es8BGj5jcx6ysP7RxFxBw7_zkrHb8Rbz-Fn7noueutA%3DQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E

[3]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jspwiki-dev/201201.mbox/%3Cbdd708d4-057d-4d20-acc2-24cc55cb3782%40vm103%3E



On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Ross Gardler <rgardler@...>wrote:

> Looking at the community activity this project looks like it lacks the
> diversity required. For example, on the vote thread on the projects
> own dev list there were only three +1 votes, one of which came from
> someone who has only ever posted to the dev list on two other
> occasions.
>
> Furthermore I'm worried that in Janne said:
>
> "The point of Apache Incubation is to incubate a community of people who
> can
> create good software. So far our community seems to be dwindling more than
> increasing (and I accept the blame for that - I just haven't had the time
> nor
> the interest to put into this project). So I don't think it's wrong to say
> that
> our incubation has essentially failed, and that we should consider some
> other
> avenue, and go away from messing up the Apache Incubator."
>
> and Harry said:
>
> "We simply can't get people interested in doing the necessary things, both
> the tech work and the non-tech work, and I personally do not have that much
> time for the project either anymore.
> So moving over to github is fine for me. (what will be the starting point
> in github BTW, the current trunk, or 2.8.4 ?)"
>
> Now we have this proposal to graduate. Juan Pablo didn't like the idea
> of saying incubation had failed and has championed graduation.
>
> Can I ask for someone more aware of JSPWiki activities please provide
> a summary of why the proposals to declare failure in Jan were rejected
> and what activities have been undertaken to turn this "failure" to
> graduation. Please don't feel you need to defend the proposal, I'm
> just looking for information to support my vote and also to help me
> think about the discussions a couple of months ago about different
> styles of incubation activity.
>
> Ross
>
> On 15 April 2012 23:46, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez
> <juanpablo@...> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > The Apache JSPWiki project entered Incubator in October of 2007. Since
> then
> > we have added two new committers from diverse organizations. The codebase
> > of our product has been growing slowly but surely, and we think is mature
> > enough to go through graduation; also, we have made two releases
> following
> > the ASF policies and guidelines. Thanks to the mentorship we have
> received
> > through this period, we have learnt to self-govern and grow our community
> > using accepted Apache practices.
> >
> > Given these milestones, I feel that JSPWiki is ready to graduate from
> > Incubator.
> >
> > The first step towards graduation is to vote as a community that JSPWiki
> is
> > ready to graduate. If the vote is successful, we will draft a board
> > resolution proposal and call it to vote on the general Incubator list.
> The
> > complete graduation process is described [1].
> >
> > Please cast your votes:
> >
> > [  ]  +1 Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
> > [  ]  +0 Indifferent to graduation status of JSPWiki
> > [  ]  +1 Reject graduation of JSPWiki from Incubator
> >
> > This vote will remain open for at least 72 hours from now.
> >
> > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > juan pablo
>
>
>
> --
> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
>
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[bimargulies]

Graduation is very much *not* about maturity of the code, and very
much about maturity of the community.

2012/4/16 Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez <juanpablo.santos@...>:

> Hi Ross,
>
> no worries, community voting is also meant to bring up this kind of
> conversations too. I will try to -briefly- express my opinion.
>
> You are quoting the discussion started at [1], followed up at [2]. I would
> like to highlight Florian's comments on first thread at [3], which
> summarize pretty well the state of the project. We took Roller as an
> example of a succesful Apache project, which is close to what happens to
> JSPWiki: mature project + small numbers of committers, with little time.
>
> So, as a community, we decided to proceed with graduation (thread at [2]).
> In that sense, is not that I have championed anything, just proceeded with
> what we decided previously.
>
> JSPWiki, unlike most Apache projects, is backed by several individuals who
> work on it only on their free time, so the absence of committers is felt
> deeper than in other projects. The first thing we should do after we
> graduate is to somehow ease the initial jump-in into the project. We have
> postponed this step after graduation because we needed to set a line
> somewhere in our long journey through incubation, and we felt that current
> trunk is mature enough to be considered as an Apache TLP ([2] again,
> heavily summarized).
>
>
> kind regards,
> juan pablo
>
> [1]
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jspwiki-dev/201201.mbox/%3C24918B2E-766A-4F7D-9C8D-F16EA030F392%40ecyrd.com%3E
>
> [2]
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jspwiki-dev/201201.mbox/%3CCABp47Es8BGj5jcx6ysP7RxFxBw7_zkrHb8Rbz-Fn7noueutA%3DQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>
> [3]
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jspwiki-dev/201201.mbox/%3Cbdd708d4-057d-4d20-acc2-24cc55cb3782%40vm103%3E
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Ross Gardler <rgardler@...>wrote:
>
>> Looking at the community activity this project looks like it lacks the
>> diversity required. For example, on the vote thread on the projects
>> own dev list there were only three +1 votes, one of which came from
>> someone who has only ever posted to the dev list on two other
>> occasions.
>>
>> Furthermore I'm worried that in Janne said:
>>
>> "The point of Apache Incubation is to incubate a community of people who
>> can
>> create good software. So far our community seems to be dwindling more than
>> increasing (and I accept the blame for that - I just haven't had the time
>> nor
>> the interest to put into this project). So I don't think it's wrong to say
>> that
>> our incubation has essentially failed, and that we should consider some
>> other
>> avenue, and go away from messing up the Apache Incubator."
>>
>> and Harry said:
>>
>> "We simply can't get people interested in doing the necessary things, both
>> the tech work and the non-tech work, and I personally do not have that much
>> time for the project either anymore.
>> So moving over to github is fine for me. (what will be the starting point
>> in github BTW, the current trunk, or 2.8.4 ?)"
>>
>> Now we have this proposal to graduate. Juan Pablo didn't like the idea
>> of saying incubation had failed and has championed graduation.
>>
>> Can I ask for someone more aware of JSPWiki activities please provide
>> a summary of why the proposals to declare failure in Jan were rejected
>> and what activities have been undertaken to turn this "failure" to
>> graduation. Please don't feel you need to defend the proposal, I'm
>> just looking for information to support my vote and also to help me
>> think about the discussions a couple of months ago about different
>> styles of incubation activity.
>>
>> Ross
>>
>> On 15 April 2012 23:46, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez
>> <juanpablo@...> wrote:
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > The Apache JSPWiki project entered Incubator in October of 2007. Since
>> then
>> > we have added two new committers from diverse organizations. The codebase
>> > of our product has been growing slowly but surely, and we think is mature
>> > enough to go through graduation; also, we have made two releases
>> following
>> > the ASF policies and guidelines. Thanks to the mentorship we have
>> received
>> > through this period, we have learnt to self-govern and grow our community
>> > using accepted Apache practices.
>> >
>> > Given these milestones, I feel that JSPWiki is ready to graduate from
>> > Incubator.
>> >
>> > The first step towards graduation is to vote as a community that JSPWiki
>> is
>> > ready to graduate. If the vote is successful, we will draft a board
>> > resolution proposal and call it to vote on the general Incubator list.
>> The
>> > complete graduation process is described [1].
>> >
>> > Please cast your votes:
>> >
>> > [  ]  +1 Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
>> > [  ]  +0 Indifferent to graduation status of JSPWiki
>> > [  ]  +1 Reject graduation of JSPWiki from Incubator
>> >
>> > This vote will remain open for at least 72 hours from now.
>> >
>> > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > juan pablo
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
>> Programme Leader (Open Development)
>> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
>>
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[Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez]

100% agree; I was intending to solely stress the fact that we had the same
concerns pointed by Ross, but we felt JSPWiki could still stand as an
Apache TLP (hence the decision to graduate), and, most important, all of
this was community-driven, not as the result of some individuals likings.


kind regards,
juan pablo


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@...>wrote:

> Graduation is very much *not* about maturity of the code, and very
> much about maturity of the community.
>
> 2012/4/16 Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez <juanpablo.santos@...>:
> > Hi Ross,
> >
> > no worries, community voting is also meant to bring up this kind of
> > conversations too. I will try to -briefly- express my opinion.
> >
> > You are quoting the discussion started at [1], followed up at [2]. I
> would
> > like to highlight Florian's comments on first thread at [3], which
> > summarize pretty well the state of the project. We took Roller as an
> > example of a succesful Apache project, which is close to what happens to
> > JSPWiki: mature project + small numbers of committers, with little time.
> >
> > So, as a community, we decided to proceed with graduation (thread at
> [2]).
> > In that sense, is not that I have championed anything, just proceeded
> with
> > what we decided previously.
> >
> > JSPWiki, unlike most Apache projects, is backed by several individuals
> who
> > work on it only on their free time, so the absence of committers is felt
> > deeper than in other projects. The first thing we should do after we
> > graduate is to somehow ease the initial jump-in into the project. We have
> > postponed this step after graduation because we needed to set a line
> > somewhere in our long journey through incubation, and we felt that
> current
> > trunk is mature enough to be considered as an Apache TLP ([2] again,
> > heavily summarized).
> >
> >
> > kind regards,
> > juan pablo
> >
> > [1]
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jspwiki-dev/201201.mbox/%3C24918B2E-766A-4F7D-9C8D-F16EA030F392%40ecyrd.com%3E
> >
> > [2]
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jspwiki-dev/201201.mbox/%3CCABp47Es8BGj5jcx6ysP7RxFxBw7_zkrHb8Rbz-Fn7noueutA%3DQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> >
> > [3]
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jspwiki-dev/201201.mbox/%3Cbdd708d4-057d-4d20-acc2-24cc55cb3782%40vm103%3E
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Ross Gardler <
> rgardler@...>wrote:
> >
> >> Looking at the community activity this project looks like it lacks the
> >> diversity required. For example, on the vote thread on the projects
> >> own dev list there were only three +1 votes, one of which came from
> >> someone who has only ever posted to the dev list on two other
> >> occasions.
> >>
> >> Furthermore I'm worried that in Janne said:
> >>
> >> "The point of Apache Incubation is to incubate a community of people who
> >> can
> >> create good software. So far our community seems to be dwindling more
> than
> >> increasing (and I accept the blame for that - I just haven't had the
> time
> >> nor
> >> the interest to put into this project). So I don't think it's wrong to
> say
> >> that
> >> our incubation has essentially failed, and that we should consider some
> >> other
> >> avenue, and go away from messing up the Apache Incubator."
> >>
> >> and Harry said:
> >>
> >> "We simply can't get people interested in doing the necessary things,
> both
> >> the tech work and the non-tech work, and I personally do not have that
> much
> >> time for the project either anymore.
> >> So moving over to github is fine for me. (what will be the starting
> point
> >> in github BTW, the current trunk, or 2.8.4 ?)"
> >>
> >> Now we have this proposal to graduate. Juan Pablo didn't like the idea
> >> of saying incubation had failed and has championed graduation.
> >>
> >> Can I ask for someone more aware of JSPWiki activities please provide
> >> a summary of why the proposals to declare failure in Jan were rejected
> >> and what activities have been undertaken to turn this "failure" to
> >> graduation. Please don't feel you need to defend the proposal, I'm
> >> just looking for information to support my vote and also to help me
> >> think about the discussions a couple of months ago about different
> >> styles of incubation activity.
> >>
> >> Ross
> >>
> >> On 15 April 2012 23:46, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez
> >> <juanpablo@...> wrote:
> >> > Hello all,
> >> >
> >> > The Apache JSPWiki project entered Incubator in October of 2007. Since
> >> then
> >> > we have added two new committers from diverse organizations. The
> codebase
> >> > of our product has been growing slowly but surely, and we think is
> mature
> >> > enough to go through graduation; also, we have made two releases
> >> following
> >> > the ASF policies and guidelines. Thanks to the mentorship we have
> >> received
> >> > through this period, we have learnt to self-govern and grow our
> community
> >> > using accepted Apache practices.
> >> >
> >> > Given these milestones, I feel that JSPWiki is ready to graduate from
> >> > Incubator.
> >> >
> >> > The first step towards graduation is to vote as a community that
> JSPWiki
> >> is
> >> > ready to graduate. If the vote is successful, we will draft a board
> >> > resolution proposal and call it to vote on the general Incubator list.
> >> The
> >> > complete graduation process is described [1].
> >> >
> >> > Please cast your votes:
> >> >
> >> > [  ]  +1 Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
> >> > [  ]  +0 Indifferent to graduation status of JSPWiki
> >> > [  ]  +1 Reject graduation of JSPWiki from Incubator
> >> >
> >> > This vote will remain open for at least 72 hours from now.
> >> >
> >> > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > juan pablo
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> >> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> >> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
> >>
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[Christophe Dupriez-3]

+1 for me

Le 16/04/2012 00:46, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez a écrit :

> Hello all,
>
> The Apache JSPWiki project entered Incubator in October of 2007. Since then
> we have added two new committers from diverse organizations. The codebase
> of our product has been growing slowly but surely, and we think is mature
> enough to go through graduation; also, we have made two releases following
> the ASF policies and guidelines. Thanks to the mentorship we have received
> through this period, we have learnt to self-govern and grow our community
> using accepted Apache practices.
>
> Given these milestones, I feel that JSPWiki is ready to graduate from
> Incubator.
>
> The first step towards graduation is to vote as a community that JSPWiki is
> ready to graduate. If the vote is successful, we will draft a board
> resolution proposal and call it to vote on the general Incubator list. The
> complete graduation process is described [1].
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [  ]  +1 Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
> [  ]  +0 Indifferent to graduation status of JSPWiki
> [  ]  +1 Reject graduation of JSPWiki from Incubator
>
> This vote will remain open for at least 72 hours from now.
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>
>
> Thanks,
> juan pablo
>

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[Janne Jalkanen]

+1.

On 16 Apr 2012, at 01:46, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> The Apache JSPWiki project entered Incubator in October of 2007. Since then
> we have added two new committers from diverse organizations. The codebase
> of our product has been growing slowly but surely, and we think is mature
> enough to go through graduation; also, we have made two releases following
> the ASF policies and guidelines. Thanks to the mentorship we have received
> through this period, we have learnt to self-govern and grow our community
> using accepted Apache practices.
>
> Given these milestones, I feel that JSPWiki is ready to graduate from
> Incubator.
>
> The first step towards graduation is to vote as a community that JSPWiki is
> ready to graduate. If the vote is successful, we will draft a board
> resolution proposal and call it to vote on the general Incubator list. The
> complete graduation process is described [1].
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [  ]  +1 Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
> [  ]  +0 Indifferent to graduation status of JSPWiki
> [  ]  +1 Reject graduation of JSPWiki from Incubator
>
> This vote will remain open for at least 72 hours from now.
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>
>
> Thanks,
> juan pablo

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[rubys]

On Apr 16, 2012 11:26 AM, "Jukka Zitting" <jukka.zitting@...> wrote:

>
> Are any of the JSPWiki mentors (I see Dave Johnson, Craig Russell,
> Henning Schmiedehausen and Sam Ruby listed) still actively following
> the project? Nobody signed off the JSPWiki report and I got no
> responses to my status update question on general@.
>
> IIIUC JSPWiki still hasn't made an official Apache release. Besides
> being a graduation blocker ("Demonstrate ability to create Apache
> releases" [1]), completing that task should also be a good way to both
> demonstrate and increase community activity. Thus I recommend that you
> cut a release before targeting graduation.

+1

> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#checklist
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting

- Sam Ruby

[Ross Gardler-5]

-1

Unless I am mistaken JSPWiki has not yet made a release under the
Apache license:

"Release 2.9 as first Apache release"
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-717

In addition the home page says "It is currently ongoing a
transformation from an LGPL project to an Apache project" which
implies the process is not complete.

As Jukka says in the discuss thread:

"IIIUC JSPWiki still hasn't made an official Apache release. Besides
being a graduation blocker ("Demonstrate ability to create Apache
releases" [1]), completing that task should also be a good way to both
demonstrate and increase community activity. Thus I recommend that you
cut a release before targeting graduation.

I might be missing something though since the VOTE description says
"we have made two releases following
the ASF policies and guidelines", please point me to these releases if
I've made a mistake. I can't see them linked from the project page and
clutch indicates release and keys are both missing [2]

Ross

[1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#checklist"
[2] http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html
Ross


On 15 April 2012 23:46, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez
<juanpablo@...> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> The Apache JSPWiki project entered Incubator in October of 2007. Since then
> we have added two new committers from diverse organizations. The codebase
> of our product has been growing slowly but surely, and we think is mature
> enough to go through graduation; also, we have made two releases following
> the ASF policies and guidelines. Thanks to the mentorship we have received
> through this period, we have learnt to self-govern and grow our community
> using accepted Apache practices.
>
> Given these milestones, I feel that JSPWiki is ready to graduate from
> Incubator.
>
> The first step towards graduation is to vote as a community that JSPWiki is
> ready to graduate. If the vote is successful, we will draft a board
> resolution proposal and call it to vote on the general Incubator list. The
> complete graduation process is described [1].
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [  ]  +1 Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
> [  ]  +0 Indifferent to graduation status of JSPWiki
> [  ]  +1 Reject graduation of JSPWiki from Incubator
>
> This vote will remain open for at least 72 hours from now.
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>
>
> Thanks,
> juan pablo

--
Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Programme Leader (Open Development)
OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

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[rubys]

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Sam Ruby <rubys@...> wrote:

>
> On Apr 16, 2012 11:26 AM, "Jukka Zitting" <jukka.zitting@...> wrote:
>>
>> Are any of the JSPWiki mentors (I see Dave Johnson, Craig Russell,
>> Henning Schmiedehausen and Sam Ruby listed) still actively following
>> the project? Nobody signed off the JSPWiki report and I got no
>> responses to my status update question on general@.
>>
>> IIIUC JSPWiki still hasn't made an official Apache release. Besides
>> being a graduation blocker ("Demonstrate ability to create Apache
>> releases" [1]), completing that task should also be a good way to both
>> demonstrate and increase community activity. Thus I recommend that you
>> cut a release before targeting graduation.
>
> +1

Just so it is clear: my +1 is to Jukka's comment, not to the [VOTE].
I see that Ross has expressed a -1 on the vote, and I will now do
likewise:

  -1 on graduating without ever producing a release.  I don't believe
that this vote demonstrates what it means to be an Apache community.

>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#checklist
>>
>> BR,
>>
>> Jukka Zitting

- Sam Ruby

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[William A. Rowe Jr.]

On 4/17/2012 3:57 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> -1
>
> Unless I am mistaken JSPWiki has not yet made a release under the
> Apache license:
>
> "Release 2.9 as first Apache release"
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-717

http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/jspwiki/

Apparently this was released.

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[Dave Fisher-5]

On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:43 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:

> On 4/17/2012 3:57 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>> -1
>>
>> Unless I am mistaken JSPWiki has not yet made a release under the
>> Apache license:
>>
>> "Release 2.9 as first Apache release"
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-717
>
> http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/jspwiki/
>
> Apparently this was released.

On April 17, 2012? Where is the VOTE thread - PPMC and IPMC results?

Regards,
Dave

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[Ross Gardler-5]

On 18 April 2012 05:43, William A. Rowe Jr. <wrowe@...> wrote:

> On 4/17/2012 3:57 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>> -1
>>
>> Unless I am mistaken JSPWiki has not yet made a release under the
>> Apache license:
>>
>> "Release 2.9 as first Apache release"
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-717
>
> http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/jspwiki/
>
> Apparently this was released.

Interesting.

My -1 was posted to this list at  4/17/2012 3:57 AM the last update
timestamp 2012-04-17 19:26

A little investigation on the JSP dev list is revealing, in short no
vote (I don't believe there is ill intent either, just a
misunderstanding of how we work)
http://markmail.org/message/lkz77tzyk4onks3f

My -1 stands, this is not a release and is not sanctioned by the ASF
(I'll forward this to infra to ensure they know it is there).

Ross

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[Daniel Shahaf-2]

Ross Gardler wrote on Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 21:25:06 +0100:

> On 18 April 2012 05:43, William A. Rowe Jr. <wrowe@...> wrote:
> > On 4/17/2012 3:57 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> >> -1
> >>
> >> Unless I am mistaken JSPWiki has not yet made a release under the
> >> Apache license:
> >>
> >> "Release 2.9 as first Apache release"
> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-717
> >
> > http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/jspwiki/
> >
> > Apparently this was released.
>
> Interesting.
>
> My -1 was posted to this list at  4/17/2012 3:57 AM the last update
> timestamp 2012-04-17 19:26
>
> A little investigation on the JSP dev list is revealing, in short no
> vote (I don't believe there is ill intent either, just a
> misunderstanding of how we work)
> http://markmail.org/message/lkz77tzyk4onks3f
>
> My -1 stands, this is not a release and is not sanctioned by the ASF
> (I'll forward this to infra to ensure they know it is there).

What do you want to do about the archive.a.o copy of the release?
rm *?  chmod 0 *?  touch VERSION-x.y-IS-NOT-AN-ASF-RELEASE?

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[Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Ross Gardler
<rgardler@...>wrote:

> On 18 April 2012 05:43, William A. Rowe Jr. <wrowe@...> wrote:
> > On 4/17/2012 3:57 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> >> -1
> >>
> >> Unless I am mistaken JSPWiki has not yet made a release under the
> >> Apache license:
> >>
> >> "Release 2.9 as first Apache release"
> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JSPWIKI-717
> >
> > http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/jspwiki/
> >
> > Apparently this was released.
>
> Interesting.
>
> My -1 was posted to this list at  4/17/2012 3:57 AM the last update
> timestamp 2012-04-17 19:26
>
> A little investigation on the JSP dev list is revealing, in short no
> vote (I don't believe there is ill intent either, just a
> misunderstanding of how we work)
> http://markmail.org/message/lkz77tzyk4onks3f
>

Indeed. Also, regarding the " we have made two releases following
the ASF policies and guidelines " should have been written as " two
releases were made following ASF *voting* policies ". My mistake.
They were community-voted but, for example, weren't signed or
correctly mirrored.

Of course, (at least) one release following ASF guidelines will be
made before IPMC voting and going into TLP.


regards,
juan pablo



>
> My -1 stands, this is not a release and is not sanctioned by the ASF
> (I'll forward this to infra to ensure they know it is there).
>

> Ross
>
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> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
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[William A. Rowe Jr.]

On 4/15/2012 5:46 PM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez wrote:
> we have made two releases following
> the ASF policies and guidelines. Thanks to the mentorship we have received
> through this period, we have learnt to self-govern and grow our community
> using accepted Apache practices.

As noted by others, this seems counter-factual.  Although candidates
may have been prepared, no candidate was voted for release and therefore
no candidate was a release.  "Made no releases" would be an accurate
statement, as would "Made two candidates".  Candidates are not sufficient
for graduation as I understand incubator policy.

Due to placing an unapproved candidate into distribution, I trust that
the second comment, finishing 'learning... accepted Apache practices'
is also a statement due to be revisited.  I'm sure JSPwiki mentors will
be circling the wagons, and working out what went wrong, and ensuring
everyone involved understands how the mistakes occurred, and any missing
documentation will be added to incubator guidance documents.

> Please cast your votes:
>
> [  ]  +1 Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
> [  ]  +0 Indifferent to graduation status of JSPWiki
> [  ]  +1 Reject graduation of JSPWiki from Incubator
>
> This vote will remain open for at least 72 hours from now.

At this time, it would be prudent to withdraw this vote from consideration
address all identified concerns, and wait for another day to put forward
this vote again, once i's are dotted, and t's are crossed.



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[Bertrand Delacretaz]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:38 PM, William A. Rowe Jr.
<wrowe@...> wrote:
> ...At this time, it would be prudent to withdraw this vote from consideration
> address all identified concerns, and wait for another day to put forward
> this vote again, once i's are dotted, and t's are crossed....

+1

To me, the stats at [1] and [2] show a steady decrease in activity
since 2009, but it seems like the project started being slightly more
active again in 2012. If it's actually the case, waiting until there's
steady activity and proper apache releases might help convince the
project mentors that it's ready for graduation.

-Bertrand

[1] http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/ASF/search?path=%2Fincubator%2Fjspwiki
[2] http://jspwiki.markmail.org/

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