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by ~suv-2 :: Rate this Message:

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The new 'cloud' rendering of all tags on
<https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/inkscape> shows a total of 287 used
tags. Are there any guidelines to follow when adding or renaming tags
besides the visible 'official' and 'other' tags of the default interface
on <https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape>?

Is there a more suitable place to ask/discuss questions like this about
the bug tracker and bug triage?

tia, ~suv

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Re: [bug tracker] Guideslines for tags?

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Thanks for starting this. I've felt tempted to do it myself but time
constrains wouldn't allow me. My duty as a member of the bug tracker
has been to use the most common and coherent tags for new and old bug
reports. I tried to prune unnecessary tags, like those which only
pointed to one or two bugs, or when there was already another similar
tag in use. I think tags give a good all-around look of where the most
common bugs are.

Now, I've some suggestions:
- There exists the tag 'other'. I suggest to get rid of it and try to
categorize those bugs with better, more descriptive tags. I think this
is doable for many bugs there.
- We've right now the tags 'importing', 'exporting', 'export' and
'import-export'. Should we simplify this? I think, at least, 'export'
should be converted to 'exporting', as there is 'importing' already.
- Looking at the tag cloud, I see there are a lot of one-bug tags.
These can be easily categorized with better tags.
- I don't know what's the policy for platform or architecture specific
bugs. For instance: I see some bugs marked with 'linux' or 'amd64'
tags where there wasn't a proved connection between the architecture
or OS and the bug itself. I think those tags should be used only when
there is a positive proof that the bug is platform/architecture
specific.
- Maybe some new tags should be added to the official list, like
'tablet' or 'color'.

That's all I remember right now.

Regards.

2009/9/22 ~suv <suv-sf@...>:

> The new 'cloud' rendering of all tags on
> <https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/inkscape> shows a total of 287 used
> tags. Are there any guidelines to follow when adding or renaming tags
> besides the visible 'official' and 'other' tags of the default interface
> on <https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape>?
>
> Is there a more suitable place to ask/discuss questions like this about
> the bug tracker and bug triage?
>
> tia, ~suv

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Re: [bug tracker] Guideslines for tags?

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More points:

1) I searched for tags with the wildcard -*, which means "search for
bugs without tags". Turns out there are 1032, many of them recent. I
think these should be tagged because right now they're in no man's
land. The number of 'pdf', 'ui', 'livepatheffects'... tagged bugs
might grow considerably.

2) There are some tags like 'ui-text' that should be converted to 'ui
text'. I think it's better that way because Launchpad's search already
allows searching for multiple tags at once, while keeping them
separate as 'text' and 'ui' at the same time.
There are others like 'ui-toolbars-whatever' which are already covered
by the broad tag 'ui'. My opinion is that this case should be
simplified.

3) The tag 'bitmap' should be made official and used more extensively.

BTW, Launchpad was updated yesterday and the tag cloud is showing for
everyone but, where are the official tags?

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Re: [bug tracker] Guideslines for tags?

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On 24/9/09 18:35, Pajarico wrote:

> BTW, Launchpad was updated yesterday and the tag cloud is showing for
> everyone but, where are the official tags?

here is the complete tag list from 2009-09-22, before 'they' shortened
it back to the current state (whatever the criteria now are). Many
single bug tags have already been changed since. Any way such a list
could be made accessible (e.g. on a wiki page) and regularly updated? At
the moment it seems unclear what and where the 'official' and 'other'
list (as they were called in the previous launchpad version) are kept.

hth, ~suv


tags-list 2009-09-22 <https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/inkscape>

2geom
3d
3dbox
64-bit
accessibility
aim
all-platforms
alpha
amd64
angle
angular
apport-bug
apport-collected
apport-crash
arabic
automation
autosave
axonometric
bezier
bidi
bitmap
blur
bsd
build
build-compile-code-design
cairo
calligraphy
cdr
centre
chameleon
clipboard
clipping
clipping-path
clone
clones
closepath
color
compiz
cone
conic
connectors
content
coordinates
copy
copy-paste
craah
crash
creating
css
cyrillic
declaration
defs
desktop-integration
dia
dialogs
displaced
display
distort
document-properties
documentation
dxf
effects
emf
eps
erase
eraser
evince
expand
export
exporting
extension
extensions
extensions-plugins
feature
fill
filters-svg
fit
fit-page-to-selection
focus
font
fonts
free
freehand
freeze
full
fullscreen
gamma
gnome
gnuplot
gradient
grid
grids
group
grouped
grouping
gsoc2009-color
guides
hand
help
history
href
http
icons
image
imagemagick
import
import-export
importing
inkboard
inkscape
installer
internet
invisible-layer
java
kern
keyboard
keys
landscape
latex
layer
layers
licence
ligature
ligatures
line-height
link
linux
list
livepatheffects
load
localisation
locking
logo
lpe
mac
macosx
management
marker
markers
maximize
maximum
memory
menu
metadata
motif
mouse
needs-confirm-on-svn-head
netbook
node
node-editing
nodes
non-grouped
object
object-shape
object-text
object-to-pattern
objects
objects-freehand-calligraphic
objects-gradients
objects-markers
objects-nodes
objects-pattern
odg
on
opacity
openclipart
orientation
ornemantal
osx
other
oversampling
packaging
page
paper
paste
patch
path
pattern
pdf
pdf-import
pencil
performance
perspective
planes
png
poppler
portable
position
positioning
preview
print
printing
problem
process
proxy
ps
psfrag
python
quality
radial-gradient-fill
radialgradient
reference
regression
remember
remove
render
renderer
request
resize
restore
romanian
rotation
rulers
save
saving
script
scripts
select
selection
serbian
shape-editing
single-dots
size
slider
slovenian
snapping
snapshot
soc-2008-juca
solaris
solarize
sparse
spiral
spiro
stamp
stroke
stroke-width
style
styles
svg
svg-xml
symmetry
tablet
text
text-tool
tiled-clones
tool
tools
transformations
translation
translation-geometry
transparency
tutorials
ubuntu
ui
ui-dialogs-toolbars
ui-guide-grid-ruler
ui-palette-color
ui-preferences
ui-preview
ui-selection-group-layer
ui-shortcuts
ui-text
ui-xml
undo
unexpected-error
ungroup
usability
usb
value
version
vertical
viewbox
vista
vml
website
wiki
win32
win32-vista
window
wishlist
with
wmf
x11
xaml
xlink
xmleditor
zoom

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Re: [bug tracker] Guideslines for tags?

by Pajarico :: Rate this Message:

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I agree. We should start using it extensively. There are many bugs
like that. Don't forget about problems with many fonts installed!

I would ask you to reply to the mailing list thread instead of
personally. That way everyone can read it.

Regards.

2009/9/27 ~suv <suv-sf@...>:

> What do you think about using the tag 'performance' more often? It does
> exist (currently only 2 bugs) and there have been an increasing number
> of bug reports about lack of performance with e.g.
> - many filters
> - big files (specially maps)
> - imported ai-files (nested groups with transparency)
> - on OS X: slow screen redrawing under X11
> - slow file dialog opening with many files
> - ...
>
> In the thread about the roadmap for 0.48 on the mailing list this issue
> was discussed as well:
> <http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.graphics.inkscape.devel/31350>
>
> ~suv
>

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Re: [bug tracker] Guideslines for tags?

by Joshua A. Andler-2 :: Rate this Message:

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One more tag that I would like for us to use, and will be tagging a bug
with it right now, is "blocker". By the way, if you feel the tag should
change to a different name feel free to do so. To me, having a tag for
release blocker bugs will reduce the need for having to search emails
and for people to repeat themselves to know which blocker bugs still
stand.

Cheers,
Josh

On Sun, 2009-09-27 at 19:30 +0200, Pajarico wrote:

> I agree. We should start using it extensively. There are many bugs
> like that. Don't forget about problems with many fonts installed!
>
> I would ask you to reply to the mailing list thread instead of
> personally. That way everyone can read it.
>
> Regards.
>
> 2009/9/27 ~suv <suv-sf@...>:
> > What do you think about using the tag 'performance' more often? It does
> > exist (currently only 2 bugs) and there have been an increasing number
> > of bug reports about lack of performance with e.g.
> > - many filters
> > - big files (specially maps)
> > - imported ai-files (nested groups with transparency)
> > - on OS X: slow screen redrawing under X11
> > - slow file dialog opening with many files
> > - ...
> >
> > In the thread about the roadmap for 0.48 on the mailing list this issue
> > was discussed as well:
> > <http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.graphics.inkscape.devel/31350>
> >
> > ~suv
> >
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Re: [bug tracker] Guideslines for tags?

by Pajarico :: Rate this Message:

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~suv: I've been using the performance tag. I think all the old bugs
are already categorized (at the time there are 31).

J.A. Andler: I will keep an eye on bugs mentioned on the mailing list.

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Re: [bug tracker] Guideslines for tags?

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On 24/9/09 18:35, Pajarico wrote:

> 1) I searched for tags with the wildcard -*, which means "search for
> bugs without tags". Turns out there are 1032, many of them recent. I
> think these should be tagged because right now they're in no man's
> land. The number of 'pdf', 'ui', 'livepatheffects'... tagged bugs
> might grow considerably.

As you mention 'pdf':

question about _filetypes_: should we use the file extensions as tags or
delete them in general and only keep an agreed-upon subset of major ones
like 'pdf' and 'eps' ('ps')? At the moment I'd favour to always add them
as separate tag when relevant.

question about importing/exporting/import-export and
_extensions/plugins_: many of the import-export bug reports are related
to (python) extensions or their helper applications - how to tag these
bugs? Always add both im/ex and ext-pl plus the filetype?

[ Background of above questions: there have recently been several (?)
bug reports about importing failures (cdr, 0.47pre) that are really
_UniConverter_ bugs. On windows, UniConverter is part of the Inkscape
package - who is now responsible for handling the bug reports? How to
tag them? ]

> BTW, Launchpad was updated yesterday and the tag cloud is showing for
> everyone but, where are the official tags?

The criteria for a tag to appear in the cloud remain mysterious ;-)

>From looking at google search results for launchpad bugs I gather that
previous Launchpad versions did allow to search for partial tags like
'ui-*' or 'objects-*'. These kind of queries are not possible with the
current Launchpad 3.0 advanced bug search (at least I could not figure
out how ;-). AFAIU that means that only _fully known_ tags are now
useful for bug management. It would be convenient if we had a way to
query the launchpad inkscape bug database for all used tags and keep an
updated list as reference somewhere on launchpad or the wiki.

Does anybody from the Inkscape bug team have more insight what is/isn't
possible within the (somewhat) limited tools Launchpad 3.0 offers for
the bug tracker? (yes, I'm critical because I don't understand their
priorities for launching v3.0 with gimmicks like in-page-editing of
summary etc. but at the same time removing tools like 'bug activity' -
at least I can't find it anymore. Do members of the bug team have a
different set of tools when logged in?)

~suv

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Re: [bug tracker] Guideslines for tags?

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~suv: I haven't forgotten about your reply, I didn't have time to
think about it.

> question about _filetypes_: should we use the file extensions as tags or
> delete them in general and only keep an agreed-upon subset of major ones
> like 'pdf' and 'eps' ('ps')? At the moment I'd favour to always add them
> as separate tag when relevant.

I think we should use the major ones. But then there are tags like
'javafx' (1 bug only), what to do with those??. There was 'cdr' too
(it is part of UniConvertor, not Inkscape). Let's leave UniConvertor
formats (like cdr) to the tag 'uniconvertor'. The problem that might
happen is when a bug is not in uniconvertor but in the extension that
manages it. In that case we could use tags 'extensions-plugins' (or
'import-export'/'exporting'/'importing', see next point).

> question about importing/exporting/import-export and
> _extensions/plugins_: many of the import-export bug reports are related
> to (python) extensions or their helper applications - how to tag these
> bugs? Always add both im/ex and ext-pl plus the filetype?

I always use 'extensions-plugins' for bugs related to the Extensions
menu only. I see your point since some file filters are based on
python proxy scripts. Which is better?:
* Use 'extensions-plugins' only for Extensions; index reports with a
tag related to the file format: pdf, eps, emf, uniconvertor...
accompanied by 'import-export', 'exporting' or 'importing'.
* Use 'extensions-plugins' for both Extensions and import/export
formats based on scripts.

I'm unsure. It seems clearer to me to use the first method.

> [ Background of above questions: there have recently been several (?)
> bug reports about importing failures (cdr, 0.47pre) that are really
> _UniConverter_ bugs. On windows, UniConverter is part of the Inkscape
> package - who is now responsible for handling the bug reports? How to
> tag them? ]

See above.

I see you started using the tag renderer. I will make some searches
and add to that category.

Regards.

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Re: [bug tracker] Guideslines for tags?

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On 12/10/09 22:38, Pajarico wrote:
> * Use 'extensions-plugins' only for Extensions; index reports with a
> tag related to the file format: pdf, eps, emf, uniconvertor...
> accompanied by 'import-export', 'exporting' or 'importing'.

agreed - much clearer this way!

> I see you started using the tag renderer. I will make some searches
> and add to that category.

I found it in a number of older confirmed bugs - it seems to me an
important module of Inkscape and a good tag for reports about visual
glitches e.g. when rendering complex paths. Do you know how much of it
already falls into 'cairo' or is this transition still on-going?

btw - trying to keep track of known used (and missing) tags here:
<http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/User:~suv#bug_tracker:_tags>
- maybe this could turn into its own page?

~suv

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Re: [bug tracker] Guideslines for tags?

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On 12/10/09 22:38, Pajarico wrote:
> On 6/10/09 07:38, ~suv wrote:
>> question about _filetypes_: should we use the file extensions as tags or
>> delete them in general and only keep an agreed-upon subset of major ones
>> like 'pdf' and 'eps' ('ps')? At the moment I'd favour to always add them
>> as separate tag when relevant.
>
> I think we should use the major ones. But then there are tags like
> 'javafx' (1 bug only), what to do with those??.

javafx: new internal extension, suggest to keep as tag
<http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.graphics.inkscape.devel/31574>

> There was 'cdr' too (it is part of UniConvertor, not Inkscape). Let's
> leave UniConvertor formats (like cdr) to the tag 'uniconvertor'.

UniConverter is currently used for
input:  ccx, cdr, cdt, cgm, cmx, plt, sk1, wmf
output: plt, sk1, wmf

I just checked the UniConverter website - they have a link to their bug
tracker on launchpad which could make it easier to link Inkscape export
bug reports to <https://bugs.launchpad.net/uniconvertor/>. However the
launchpad UniConverter project doesn't seem to be used at all. There's
still the 'sK1 Project - Support Forum: UniConvertor bugreports' at
<http://sk1project.org/forum/viewforum.php?forum_id=6> which has more
recent activity. Should we mark uniconvertor bugs as 'Invalid' and refer
to the sK1 website?

~suv

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Re: [bug tracker] Guideslines for tags?

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> UniConverter is currently used for
> input:  ccx, cdr, cdt, cgm, cmx, plt, sk1, wmf
> output: plt, sk1, wmf

Oh, I thought wmf was internal. That's why I used it on my example on
my previous post.

> I just checked the UniConverter website - they have a link to their bug
> tracker on launchpad which could make it easier to link Inkscape export
> bug reports to <https://bugs.launchpad.net/uniconvertor/>. However the
> launchpad UniConverter project doesn't seem to be used at all. There's
> still the 'sK1 Project - Support Forum: UniConvertor bugreports' at
> <http://sk1project.org/forum/viewforum.php?forum_id=6> which has more
> recent activity. Should we mark uniconvertor bugs as 'Invalid' and refer
> to the sK1 website?
>
> ~suv

I would drop a letter to UniConvertor developers suggesting them to
use the bug tracker at Launchpad more (best solution) or inviting them
to take a look at the 'uniconvertor' tag in our Launchpad's section
now and then. The forum they're using would force us to get an account
and forums are not the best way to manage bugs anyway (no duplicates,
status, patches, attachments...)

The first step is to tag bugs with 'uniconvertor' and see how many of
them there are. At first I'm going to tag them without removing any
previous tag.Then will write a letter to UniConvertor authors exposing
them the situation. But that will be in some hours, I've yet to take
my bike from the repairman (who hadn't good news...)

Regards.

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Re: [bug tracker] Guideslines for tags?

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On 13/10/09 10:23, Pajarico wrote:
>> UniConverter is currently used for
>> input:  ccx, cdr, cdt, cgm, cmx, plt, sk1, wmf
>> output: plt, sk1, wmf
>
> Oh, I thought wmf was internal. That's why I used it on my example on
> my previous post.

oops - my fault - looks like wmf support on win32 is internal... else
based on UniConverter (share/extensions/wmf_*put.inx):

current internal extensions (r22457 src/extension/internal/*.cpp):
org.inkscape.effect.bluredge
org.inkscape.output.png.cairo
org.inkscape.output.pdf.cairorenderer
org.inkscape.input.emf.win32
org.inkscape.input.wmf.win32
org.inkscape.output.emf.win32
org.inkscape.print.emf.win32
org.inkscape.input.gdkpixbuf.%s
org.inkscape.input.gimpgrad
org.inkscape.effect.grid
org.inkscape.output.jfx
org.inkscape.output.latex
org.inkscape.output.odf
org.inkscape.input.pdf
org.inkscape.output.pov
org.inkscape.input.wpg

and input/output/print (r22457 'src/extension/extension.h'):
SP_MODULE_KEY_INPUT_SVG             "org.inkscape.input.svg"
SP_MODULE_KEY_INPUT_SVGZ            "org.inkscape.input.svgz"
SP_MODULE_KEY_OUTPUT_SVG            "org.inkscape.output.svg.plain"
SP_MODULE_KEY_OUTPUT_SVGZ           "org.inkscape.output.svgz.plain"
SP_MODULE_KEY_OUTPUT_SVG_INKSCAPE   "org.inkscape.output.svg.inkscape"
SP_MODULE_KEY_OUTPUT_SVGZ_INKSCAPE  "org.inkscape.output.svgz.inkscape"
SP_MODULE_KEY_PRINT_PS              "org.inkscape.print.ps"
SP_MODULE_KEY_PRINT_CAIRO_PS        "org.inkscape.print.ps.cairo"
SP_MODULE_KEY_PRINT_CAIRO_EPS       "org.inkscape.print.eps.cairo"
SP_MODULE_KEY_PRINT_PDF             "org.inkscape.print.pdf"
SP_MODULE_KEY_PRINT_CAIRO_PDF       "org.inkscape.print.pdf.cairo"
SP_MODULE_KEY_PRINT_LATEX           "org.inkscape.print.latex"
SP_MODULE_KEY_PRINT_GNOME           "org.inkscape.print.gnome"
SP_MODULE_KEY_PRINT_WIN32           "org.inkscape.print.win32"

> But that will be in some hours, I've yet to take
> my bike from the repairman (who hadn't good news...)

:(

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Re: [bug tracker] Guideslines for tags?

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On 13/10/09 10:23, Pajarico wrote:

> I would drop a letter to UniConvertor developers suggesting them to
> use the bug tracker at Launchpad more (best solution) or inviting them
> to take a look at the 'uniconvertor' tag in our Launchpad's section
> now and then. The forum they're using would force us to get an account
> and forums are not the best way to manage bugs anyway (no duplicates,
> status, patches, attachments...)

The sK1 project on <https://launchpad.net/sk1> has recent activity, and
its maintainer <https://launchpad.net/~igor-e-novikov> has commented on
Inkscape/UniConverter bug reports before (see bug #387946
<https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/387946>).

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Re: [bug tracker] Guideslines for tags?

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I started using the tag 'cli' for command line problems.

Regards.

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Re: [bug tracker] Guideslines for tags?

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2009/10/25 Pajarico <pajarico@...>:
> I started using the tag 'cli' for command line problems.

Wouldn't it be better to use a more descriptive name? Frankly, if I
hadn't read this email I'd have no clue what it is supposed to mean.

Max

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Re: [bug tracker] Guideslines for tags?

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> 2009/10/25 Pajarico <pajarico@...>:
>
> Wouldn't it be better to use a more descriptive name? Frankly, if I
> hadn't read this email I'd have no clue what it is supposed to mean.
>
> Max

CLI is an often used acronym for Command Line Interface. This
expansion comes up in a Google search and is the first item on
Wikipedia's 'CLI' disambiguation page. I think it's OK, especially
since the tags are mainly useful for developers, who are likely to
know this acronym.

Regards, Krzysztof

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Re: [bug tracker] Guideslines for tags?

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Maximilian Albert [mailto:maximilian.albert@...]
> Sent: zondag 25 oktober 2009 18:44
> To: Pajarico
> Cc: inkscape-devel@...
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [bug tracker] Guideslines for tags?
>
> 2009/10/25 Pajarico <pajarico@...>:
> > I started using the tag 'cli' for command line problems.
>
> Wouldn't it be better to use a more descriptive name?
> Frankly, if I hadn't read this email I'd have no clue what it
> is supposed to mean.

I agree with Max. Just write it out "command line", like we do with the
other tags.
(I read it as "clear interrupts" assembly ;)

Cheers,
  Johan

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Parent Message unknown Re: [bug tracker] Guideslines for tags?

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-----Original Message-----
From: suv@... [mailto:suv@...] On Behalf Of ~suv
Sent: zondag 25 oktober 2009 21:35
To: Engelen, J.B.C. (Johan)
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [bug tracker] Guideslines for tags?

On 25/10/09 21:11, J.B.C.Engelen@... wrote:

> From: Maximilian Albert [mailto:maximilian.albert@...]
>> 2009/10/25 Pajarico <pajarico@...>:
>>> I started using the tag 'cli' for command line problems.
>> Wouldn't it be better to use a more descriptive name?
>> Frankly, if I hadn't read this email I'd have no clue what it is
>> supposed to mean.
>
> I agree with Max. Just write it out "command line", like we do with
> the other tags.
> (I read it as "clear interrupts" assembly ;)

'command-line' or 'commandline' - Launchpad doesn't allow spaces in
tags, and 'command' and 'line' don't make much sense as separate tags
imho.

~suv

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Re: [bug tracker] Guideslines for tags?

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Maximilian Albert: I'm really surprised that you didn't know that
'cli' stood for 'command line interface'.

> 'command-line' or 'commandline' - Launchpad doesn't allow spaces in
> tags, and 'command' and 'line' don't make much sense as separate tags
> imho.
>
> ~suv

Exactly, that's why I choose 'cli' because it is really short and well
known (at least I've been reading it for ages). The problem with
'command-line' or 'commandline' is that it is too long and I would
have too write it entirely every time I want to add that tag, unless
it's added to the official tags list. For example, starting typing
'node...' will suggest and autocomplete 'node-editing', which is kinda
handy, but this mechanism doesn't kick in for unofficial tags (AFAIK).

If 'cli' is really that hard to understand, then suggest something
else and add it to the official tags so it autocompletes. Already
tagged bugs will be have to be changed, which brings to my memory a
conversation I heard about managing simple bug tracking tasks with
bots and scripts, is there any news about this? For example, is it
possible to batch convert a tag into another?

Another tag I propose is 'boolops' for boolean operations related bugs
(there quite a few). But there are also bugs related too Simplify,
which technically is not a boolean operation, so I don't know if we
should look for a better tag that includes about every node operation.

Best regards.

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