[kopete-devel] Kopete 1.0 and beyond

Hi,

So, right now, the plan is to release Kopete 1.0 with KDE 4.4. If anybody
thinks that this shouldn't be done, then please speak up now so we can change
the plan. :)

For beyond Kopete 1.0, my current plan is to morph Kopete into the KDE
equivalent of GNOME's Empathy. This means converting Kopete to Telepathy. As
part of this conversion, I also would like to make use of the various other
kde4 technologies like akonadi, etc. I also want to resurrect Decibel in the
form of various Kopete components that are available throughout the whole KDE
stack for various purposes.

So the whole point of writing this email is to solicit feedback. So, feedback
please! :)
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[afiestas]

On Friday 02 October 2009 03:04:31 Matt Rogers wrote:

> Hi,
>
> So, right now, the plan is to release Kopete 1.0 with KDE 4.4. If anybody
> thinks that this shouldn't be done, then please speak up now so we can
>  change the plan. :)
>
> For beyond Kopete 1.0, my current plan is to morph Kopete into the KDE
> equivalent of GNOME's Empathy. This means converting Kopete to Telepathy.
>  As part of this conversion, I also would like to make use of the various
>  other kde4 technologies like akonadi, etc. I also want to resurrect
>  Decibel in the form of various Kopete components that are available
>  throughout the whole KDE stack for various purposes.
>
> So the whole point of writing this email is to solicit feedback. So,
>  feedback please! :)
>

Wow! that's sounds fantastic!

Do you have a more detailed roadmap in mind? what work is reaming for Kopete
1.0?

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[Will Stephenson]

On Friday 02 October 2009 05:04:31 Matt Rogers wrote:

> So, right now, the plan is to release Kopete 1.0 with KDE 4.4. If anybody
> thinks that this shouldn't be done, then please speak up now so we can
>  change the plan. :)
>
> For beyond Kopete 1.0, my current plan is to morph Kopete into the KDE
> equivalent of GNOME's Empathy. This means converting Kopete to Telepathy.
>  As part of this conversion, I also would like to make use of the various
>  other kde4 technologies like akonadi, etc. I also want to resurrect
>  Decibel in the form of various Kopete components that are available
>  throughout the whole KDE stack for various purposes.
>
> So the whole point of writing this email is to solicit feedback. So,
>  feedback please! :)

Strong agreement.  Kopete should organise an ev-funded sprint for the morphing
planning (and you should get a passport, hint hint).

Will
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On Friday 02 October 2009 06:43:34 Will Stephenson wrote:

> On Friday 02 October 2009 05:04:31 Matt Rogers wrote:
> > So, right now, the plan is to release Kopete 1.0 with KDE 4.4. If anybody
> > thinks that this shouldn't be done, then please speak up now so we can
> >  change the plan. :)
> >
> > For beyond Kopete 1.0, my current plan is to morph Kopete into the KDE
> > equivalent of GNOME's Empathy. This means converting Kopete to Telepathy.
> >  As part of this conversion, I also would like to make use of the various
> >  other kde4 technologies like akonadi, etc. I also want to resurrect
> >  Decibel in the form of various Kopete components that are available
> >  throughout the whole KDE stack for various purposes.
> >
> > So the whole point of writing this email is to solicit feedback. So,
> >  feedback please! :)
>
> Strong agreement.  Kopete should organise an ev-funded sprint for the
>  morphing planning (and you should get a passport, hint hint).
>
> Will

Well, you have a passport, right? :P
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[Gustavo Boiko]

Hi

Em 02/10/2009, às 00:04, Matt Rogers escreveu:

> Hi,
>
> So, right now, the plan is to release Kopete 1.0 with KDE 4.4. If  
> anybody
> thinks that this shouldn't be done, then please speak up now so we  
> can change
> the plan. :)

It is really time for 1.0 to show up.

> For beyond Kopete 1.0, my current plan is to morph Kopete into the KDE
> equivalent of GNOME's Empathy. This means converting Kopete to  
> Telepathy. As
> part of this conversion, I also would like to make use of the  
> various other
> kde4 technologies like akonadi, etc. I also want to resurrect  
> Decibel in the
> form of various Kopete components that are available throughout the  
> whole KDE
> stack for various purposes.

I'm not very familiar with all the new frameworks available, but it  
really makes sense turning Kopete into something more than just a  
standalone application.

I'm not very active latelly, but I might have a bit more time (now  
that I almost finished my master dissertation), so if you need help on  
that, please let me know.

Cheers

Boiko
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[Aleix Pol-2]

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Matt Rogers <mattr@...> wrote:

Hi,

So, right now, the plan is to release Kopete 1.0 with KDE 4.4. If anybody
thinks that this shouldn't be done, then please speak up now so we can change
the plan. :)

For beyond Kopete 1.0, my current plan is to morph Kopete into the KDE
equivalent of GNOME's Empathy. This means converting Kopete to Telepathy. As
part of this conversion, I also would like to make use of the various other
kde4 technologies like akonadi, etc. I also want to resurrect Decibel in the
form of various Kopete components that are available throughout the whole KDE
stack for various purposes.

So the whole point of writing this email is to solicit feedback. So, feedback
please! :)
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I don't want to break the party but... isn't Decibel dead already? maybe we should pick a project that's already alive and with some kind of proof that works.
Also... this might be quite some work, shouldn't we try to get it done before announcing it?

Well anyway, good luck with it :) I think that using telepathy would be a big step forward anyway. ^^
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On Friday 02 October 2009 05:04:31 Matt Rogers wrote:
> Hi,
>
> So, right now, the plan is to release Kopete 1.0 with KDE 4.4. If anybody
> thinks that this shouldn't be done, then please speak up now so we can
>  change the plan. :)

I've always wondered why Kopete isn't using the same numbering as KDE.
I don't see the point of having multiple version number but if there is a good
reason, then, I think it's a great idea to to release Kopete 1.0 :-)

> For beyond Kopete 1.0, my current plan is to morph Kopete into the KDE
> equivalent of GNOME's Empathy. This means converting Kopete to Telepathy.
>  As part of this conversion, I also would like to make use of the various
>  other kde4 technologies like akonadi, etc. I also want to resurrect
>  Decibel in the form of various Kopete components that are available
>  throughout the whole KDE stack for various purposes.

The Telepathy plugin is promising, isn't it ? Would the Decibel resurrection
make that not-really-born yet plugin a deprecated one ?


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2009/10/2 Matt Rogers <mattr@...>:
> Hi,

Hi Folks,

As the guy who is driving the work on Telepathy adoption in KDE, I
have quite a lot I'd like to contribute to this thread. I'll start
with some general information in this mail, and then address specific
points in further replies.

> So, right now, the plan is to release Kopete 1.0 with KDE 4.4. If anybody
> thinks that this shouldn't be done, then please speak up now so we can change
> the plan. :)
>
> For beyond Kopete 1.0, my current plan is to morph Kopete into the KDE
> equivalent of GNOME's Empathy. This means converting Kopete to Telepathy. As
> part of this conversion, I also would like to make use of the various other
> kde4 technologies like akonadi, etc. I also want to resurrect Decibel in the
> form of various Kopete components that are available throughout the whole KDE
> stack for various purposes.

I think this is a fantastic idea, obviously ;)

And now for a little background about Telepathy, for those who aren't
already familiar with it. Telepathy is a framework for real time
communication which is based around DBus. Its main purpose on the
desktop is to remove monolithic IM clients and replace them with deep
integration into applications and the desktop environment. Due to it's
DBus nature, you can have, for example, a plasmoid displaying your IM
account presence, A couple of chat windows open in Kopete, a buddy
list in Kopete, a voice call in KCall, a buddy list plasmoid, a
collaborative session in KWord etc etc etc and all of them
automatically gain support for all protocols Telepathy provides just
by using the abstracted Telepathy API. On the protocol side, Telepathy
has daemons called Connection Managers, which handle the actual IM
protocol, e.g MSN, Jabber, SIP etc and the Telepathy client libraries
(e.g. TelepathyQt4) talk over DBus to these Connection Managers. In
the middle there is a daemon which does all the account storage and
allows you to request channels (e.g. text/voice/video/etc channels) to
your contacts. This is called the Account Manager/Channel Dispatcher.
For a much better and more in-depth explanation of how Telepathy
works, see [1] and [2].

Where are we at with Telepathy in KDE now? I've been working along
with Abner Silva, George Kiagiadakis and others for over a year now to
get the infrastructure for Telepathy in place. We now have a
rudimentary Telepathy plugin for Kopete in playground. The point of
this was to allow Telepathy to be used in Kopete sooner than waiting a
completely Telepathy-based version of Kopete. We also have a gorgeous
plasmoid for your account presence that Abner created, and a (still
playground quality but working and getting there) VoIP app based on
Telepathy in KCall (written by George). We also have support currently
being merged into Krdc/Krfb to share your desktop over Telepathy
tubes. I have also been working with Sebastian Trueg (of Nepomuk) and
Marco Barisione and Danielle Madeley (both of Gnome) to sort out
ontologies for building meta-contacts with Nepomuk/Tracker in a way
that will be both cross-desktop compatible and also inter-application
compatible within KDE. I'll be attending the Nepomuk Workshop [3] to
finish implementing this in November, if anyone else is particularly
interested in this, then do come along too :)

So, in conclusion, I'd be very keen to contribute to make Kopete
"KDE's Empathy" :).

I hope this provides some useful context. I'll now follow up to some
of the other posts already in this thread.


Cheers,

George

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[2] http://people.collabora.co.uk/~danni/telepathy-book/ (n.b. this
document is work-in-progress)
[3] http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Nepomuk/OpenSocialSemanticDesktopWorkshop2009
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2009/10/2 Will Stephenson <wstephenson@...>:

> On Friday 02 October 2009 05:04:31 Matt Rogers wrote:
>> So, right now, the plan is to release Kopete 1.0 with KDE 4.4. If anybody
>> thinks that this shouldn't be done, then please speak up now so we can
>>  change the plan. :)
>>
>> For beyond Kopete 1.0, my current plan is to morph Kopete into the KDE
>> equivalent of GNOME's Empathy. This means converting Kopete to Telepathy.
>>  As part of this conversion, I also would like to make use of the various
>>  other kde4 technologies like akonadi, etc. I also want to resurrect
>>  Decibel in the form of various Kopete components that are available
>>  throughout the whole KDE stack for various purposes.
>>
>> So the whole point of writing this email is to solicit feedback. So,
>>  feedback please! :)
>
> Strong agreement.  Kopete should organise an ev-funded sprint for the morphing
> planning (and you should get a passport, hint hint).

Yes definitely :). I think a sprint would be by far the best way to
make a plan for what to do, since there is a lot to figure out. This
is going to be a pretty major change to Kopete. I can probably
organise one (I'll investigate more if there is interest) if people
would be able to come to the UK.

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2009/10/2 Aleix Pol <aleixpol@...>:
> I don't want to break the party but... isn't Decibel dead already? maybe we
> should pick a project that's already alive and with some kind of proof that
> works.

Decibel is dead, but that doesn't matter. The Telepathy world has
changed a lot since Decibel was started, and there is really no need
for it now. (And just for clarification, Decibel != Telepathy, and
Telepathy is extremely alive).
Decibel originally did the job of ChannelDispatcher/Account Manager
(as mentioned in my first mail to this thread). However, it was never
completed and fell unmaintained some time ago. We now have Telepathy
Mission Control 5. This is a fully functional, maintained,
cross-desktop Channel Dispatcher/Account Manager, so we have no need
to maintain our own one. Decibel was supposed to also handle the
integration into other KDE technologies (like Nepomuk), but since this
has never been implemented in Decibel, there's no reason to implement
it there.

> Also... this might be quite some work, shouldn't we try to get it done
> before announcing it?
>

Yeah, this would be a lot of work, and we should be careful to make
sure it doesn't end up being vapourware like Decibel did. But on the
other hand we need to have enough publicity for it to get more
interested people involved. There is a definite need to find a balance
here.

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2009/10/3 Detlev Casanova <detlev.casanova@...>:

> On Friday 02 October 2009 05:04:31 Matt Rogers wrote:
>> For beyond Kopete 1.0, my current plan is to morph Kopete into the KDE
>> equivalent of GNOME's Empathy. This means converting Kopete to Telepathy.
>>  As part of this conversion, I also would like to make use of the various
>>  other kde4 technologies like akonadi, etc. I also want to resurrect
>>  Decibel in the form of various Kopete components that are available
>>  throughout the whole KDE stack for various purposes.
>
> The Telepathy plugin is promising, isn't it ? Would the Decibel resurrection
> make that not-really-born yet plugin a deprecated one ?

That plugin would cease to exist if Kopete became "KDE's Empathy", but
that plugin only exists as a temporary measure until Kopete becomes
"KDE's Empathy" anyway, so it doesn't matter :)

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On Friday 02 October 2009 16:37:46 Aleix Pol wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Matt Rogers <mattr@...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > So, right now, the plan is to release Kopete 1.0 with KDE 4.4. If anybody
> > thinks that this shouldn't be done, then please speak up now so we can
> > change
> > the plan. :)
> >
> > For beyond Kopete 1.0, my current plan is to morph Kopete into the KDE
> > equivalent of GNOME's Empathy. This means converting Kopete to Telepathy.
> > As
> > part of this conversion, I also would like to make use of the various
> > other kde4 technologies like akonadi, etc. I also want to resurrect
> > Decibel in the
> > form of various Kopete components that are available throughout the whole
> > KDE
> > stack for various purposes.
> >
> > So the whole point of writing this email is to solicit feedback. So,
> > feedback
> > please! :)
> > --
> > Matt
> >
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>
> I don't want to break the party but... isn't Decibel dead already? maybe we
> should pick a project that's already alive and with some kind of proof that
> works.

Sure, Decibel as it currently is today is dead. Parts of kopete, along with
some things in playground/network would most likely become the "new" Decibel.

> Also... this might be quite some work, shouldn't we try to get it done
> before announcing it?
>

I'm not announcing anything other than my own plans and trying to get input,
feedback, etc. on whether people think this is a good idea and want to help or
if I'm just going to be wasting my time. :)

> Well anyway, good luck with it :) I think that using telepathy would be a
> big step forward anyway. ^^
> Aleix
>

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On Sunday 04 October 2009 04:04:36 George Goldberg wrote:

> 2009/10/2 Matt Rogers <mattr@...>:
> > Hi,
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> As the guy who is driving the work on Telepathy adoption in KDE, I
> have quite a lot I'd like to contribute to this thread. I'll start
> with some general information in this mail, and then address specific
> points in further replies.
>
> > So, right now, the plan is to release Kopete 1.0 with KDE 4.4. If anybody
> > thinks that this shouldn't be done, then please speak up now so we can
> > change the plan. :)
> >
> > For beyond Kopete 1.0, my current plan is to morph Kopete into the KDE
> > equivalent of GNOME's Empathy. This means converting Kopete to Telepathy.
> > As part of this conversion, I also would like to make use of the various
> > other kde4 technologies like akonadi, etc. I also want to resurrect
> > Decibel in the form of various Kopete components that are available
> > throughout the whole KDE stack for various purposes.
>
> I think this is a fantastic idea, obviously ;)
>
> And now for a little background about Telepathy, for those who aren't
> already familiar with it. Telepathy is a framework for real time
> communication which is based around DBus. Its main purpose on the
> desktop is to remove monolithic IM clients and replace them with deep
> integration into applications and the desktop environment. Due to it's
> DBus nature, you can have, for example, a plasmoid displaying your IM
> account presence, A couple of chat windows open in Kopete, a buddy
> list in Kopete, a voice call in KCall, a buddy list plasmoid, a
> collaborative session in KWord etc etc etc and all of them
> automatically gain support for all protocols Telepathy provides just
> by using the abstracted Telepathy API. On the protocol side, Telepathy
> has daemons called Connection Managers, which handle the actual IM
> protocol, e.g MSN, Jabber, SIP etc and the Telepathy client libraries
> (e.g. TelepathyQt4) talk over DBus to these Connection Managers. In
> the middle there is a daemon which does all the account storage and
> allows you to request channels (e.g. text/voice/video/etc channels) to
> your contacts. This is called the Account Manager/Channel Dispatcher.
> For a much better and more in-depth explanation of how Telepathy
> works, see [1] and [2].
>
> Where are we at with Telepathy in KDE now? I've been working along
> with Abner Silva, George Kiagiadakis and others for over a year now to
> get the infrastructure for Telepathy in place. We now have a
> rudimentary Telepathy plugin for Kopete in playground. The point of
> this was to allow Telepathy to be used in Kopete sooner than waiting a
> completely Telepathy-based version of Kopete. We also have a gorgeous
> plasmoid for your account presence that Abner created, and a (still
> playground quality but working and getting there) VoIP app based on
> Telepathy in KCall (written by George). We also have support currently
> being merged into Krdc/Krfb to share your desktop over Telepathy
> tubes. I have also been working with Sebastian Trueg (of Nepomuk) and
> Marco Barisione and Danielle Madeley (both of Gnome) to sort out
> ontologies for building meta-contacts with Nepomuk/Tracker in a way
> that will be both cross-desktop compatible and also inter-application
> compatible within KDE. I'll be attending the Nepomuk Workshop [3] to
> finish implementing this in November, if anyone else is particularly
> interested in this, then do come along too :)
>

How does the Nepomuk stuff fit in if we store contact details (include contact
to metacontact inclusion) in Akonadi?

I'm interested in this, but I won't be going to the workshop though. I have no
time budget for travel.

> So, in conclusion, I'd be very keen to contribute to make Kopete
> "KDE's Empathy" :).
>
> I hope this provides some useful context. I'll now follow up to some
> of the other posts already in this thread.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> George
>

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On Sunday 04 October 2009 04:04:36 George Goldberg wrote:

> 2009/10/2 Matt Rogers <mattr@...>:
> > Hi,
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> As the guy who is driving the work on Telepathy adoption in KDE, I
> have quite a lot I'd like to contribute to this thread. I'll start
> with some general information in this mail, and then address specific
> points in further replies.
>

Not to this thread you don't ;)

I suggest you start at least one new thread for further collaboration on this
topic. :)

> > So, right now, the plan is to release Kopete 1.0 with KDE 4.4. If anybody
> > thinks that this shouldn't be done, then please speak up now so we can
> > change the plan. :)
> >
> > For beyond Kopete 1.0, my current plan is to morph Kopete into the KDE
> > equivalent of GNOME's Empathy. This means converting Kopete to Telepathy.
> > As part of this conversion, I also would like to make use of the various
> > other kde4 technologies like akonadi, etc. I also want to resurrect
> > Decibel in the form of various Kopete components that are available
> > throughout the whole KDE stack for various purposes.
>
> I think this is a fantastic idea, obviously ;)
>
> And now for a little background about Telepathy, for those who aren't
> already familiar with it. Telepathy is a framework for real time
> communication which is based around DBus. Its main purpose on the
> desktop is to remove monolithic IM clients and replace them with deep
> integration into applications and the desktop environment. Due to it's
> DBus nature, you can have, for example, a plasmoid displaying your IM
> account presence, A couple of chat windows open in Kopete, a buddy
> list in Kopete, a voice call in KCall, a buddy list plasmoid, a
> collaborative session in KWord etc etc etc and all of them
> automatically gain support for all protocols Telepathy provides just
> by using the abstracted Telepathy API. On the protocol side, Telepathy
> has daemons called Connection Managers, which handle the actual IM
> protocol, e.g MSN, Jabber, SIP etc and the Telepathy client libraries
> (e.g. TelepathyQt4) talk over DBus to these Connection Managers. In
> the middle there is a daemon which does all the account storage and
> allows you to request channels (e.g. text/voice/video/etc channels) to
> your contacts. This is called the Account Manager/Channel Dispatcher.
> For a much better and more in-depth explanation of how Telepathy
> works, see [1] and [2].
>
> Where are we at with Telepathy in KDE now? I've been working along
> with Abner Silva, George Kiagiadakis and others for over a year now to
> get the infrastructure for Telepathy in place. We now have a
> rudimentary Telepathy plugin for Kopete in playground. The point of
> this was to allow Telepathy to be used in Kopete sooner than waiting a
> completely Telepathy-based version of Kopete. We also have a gorgeous
> plasmoid for your account presence that Abner created, and a (still
> playground quality but working and getting there) VoIP app based on
> Telepathy in KCall (written by George). We also have support currently
> being merged into Krdc/Krfb to share your desktop over Telepathy
> tubes. I have also been working with Sebastian Trueg (of Nepomuk) and
> Marco Barisione and Danielle Madeley (both of Gnome) to sort out
> ontologies for building meta-contacts with Nepomuk/Tracker in a way
> that will be both cross-desktop compatible and also inter-application
> compatible within KDE. I'll be attending the Nepomuk Workshop [3] to
> finish implementing this in November, if anyone else is particularly
> interested in this, then do come along too :)
>
> So, in conclusion, I'd be very keen to contribute to make Kopete
> "KDE's Empathy" :).
>
> I hope this provides some useful context. I'll now follow up to some
> of the other posts already in this thread.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> George
>
> --
> [1] http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/
> [2] http://people.collabora.co.uk/~danni/telepathy-book/ (n.b. this
> document is work-in-progress)
> [3]
>  http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Nepomuk/OpenSocialSemanticDesktopWorkshop
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On Sunday 04 October 2009 04:11:36 George Goldberg wrote:

> 2009/10/2 Aleix Pol <aleixpol@...>:
> > I don't want to break the party but... isn't Decibel dead already? maybe
> > we should pick a project that's already alive and with some kind of proof
> > that works.
>
> Decibel is dead, but that doesn't matter. The Telepathy world has
> changed a lot since Decibel was started, and there is really no need
> for it now. (And just for clarification, Decibel != Telepathy, and
> Telepathy is extremely alive).
> Decibel originally did the job of ChannelDispatcher/Account Manager
> (as mentioned in my first mail to this thread). However, it was never
> completed and fell unmaintained some time ago. We now have Telepathy
> Mission Control 5. This is a fully functional, maintained,
> cross-desktop Channel Dispatcher/Account Manager, so we have no need
> to maintain our own one. Decibel was supposed to also handle the
> integration into other KDE technologies (like Nepomuk), but since this
> has never been implemented in Decibel, there's no reason to implement
> it there.
>
> > Also... this might be quite some work, shouldn't we try to get it done
> > before announcing it?
>
> Yeah, this would be a lot of work, and we should be careful to make
> sure it doesn't end up being vapourware like Decibel did. But on the
> other hand we need to have enough publicity for it to get more
> interested people involved. There is a definite need to find a balance
> here.
>

I wouldn't be announcing it if my intention was to keep it being vaporware.
Currently I'm targeting KDE 4.5 or KDE 4.6 for this work to be released.

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On Sunday 04 October 2009 04:12:59 George Goldberg wrote:

> 2009/10/3 Detlev Casanova <detlev.casanova@...>:
> > On Friday 02 October 2009 05:04:31 Matt Rogers wrote:
> >> For beyond Kopete 1.0, my current plan is to morph Kopete into the KDE
> >> equivalent of GNOME's Empathy. This means converting Kopete to
> >> Telepathy. As part of this conversion, I also would like to make use of
> >> the various other kde4 technologies like akonadi, etc. I also want to
> >> resurrect Decibel in the form of various Kopete components that are
> >> available throughout the whole KDE stack for various purposes.
> >
> > The Telepathy plugin is promising, isn't it ? Would the Decibel
> > resurrection make that not-really-born yet plugin a deprecated one ?
>
> That plugin would cease to exist if Kopete became "KDE's Empathy", but
> that plugin only exists as a temporary measure until Kopete becomes
> "KDE's Empathy" anyway, so it doesn't matter :)
>

IOW, that plugin will cease to exist. :P
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On Sunday 04 October 2009 04:06:38 George Goldberg wrote:

> 2009/10/2 Will Stephenson <wstephenson@...>:
> > On Friday 02 October 2009 05:04:31 Matt Rogers wrote:
> >> So, right now, the plan is to release Kopete 1.0 with KDE 4.4. If
> >> anybody thinks that this shouldn't be done, then please speak up now so
> >> we can change the plan. :)
> >>
> >> For beyond Kopete 1.0, my current plan is to morph Kopete into the KDE
> >> equivalent of GNOME's Empathy. This means converting Kopete to
> >> Telepathy. As part of this conversion, I also would like to make use of
> >> the various other kde4 technologies like akonadi, etc. I also want to
> >> resurrect Decibel in the form of various Kopete components that are
> >> available throughout the whole KDE stack for various purposes.
> >>
> >> So the whole point of writing this email is to solicit feedback. So,
> >>  feedback please! :)
> >
> > Strong agreement.  Kopete should organise an ev-funded sprint for the
> > morphing planning (and you should get a passport, hint hint).
>
> Yes definitely :). I think a sprint would be by far the best way to
> make a plan for what to do, since there is a lot to figure out. This
> is going to be a pretty major change to Kopete. I can probably
> organise one (I'll investigate more if there is interest) if people
> would be able to come to the UK.
>

Unless it can be in Dallas, and I can get time for it, I won't be able to go
to a sprint. I get only get two weeks of vacation a year from my employer
until 2012 (and then I'll get three!) so I have a limited amount of time for a
sprint, especially considering that 80% of my vacation time is already
allocated.

IOW, the farther away it is from Dallas, the less likely it is that I'll be
there.
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