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[mb-bugs] [MusicBrainz Bug Tracker] #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors

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	[mb-bugs] [MusicBrainz Bug Tracker] #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors by MusicBrainz Bug Tracker :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors --------------------------------+------------------------------------------- Reporter: voiceinsideyou \| Owner: Type: bug \| Status: new Priority: normal \| Milestone: Component: MusicBrainz Server \| Version: Server 2009-05-24 Keywords: \| Browser: Netscape, Firefox, Mozilla (Gecko) Os: Linux \| --------------------------------+------------------------------------------- Just as it is for artists and labels... -- Ticket URL: <http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/5212> MusicBrainz Bug Tracker <http://musicbrainz.org> MusicBrainz -- the music metadatabase _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-bugs mailing list Musicbrainz-bugs@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-bugs
	Re: [mb-bugs] [MusicBrainz Bug Tracker] #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors by MusicBrainz Bug Tracker :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Reporter: voiceinsideyou \| Owner: Type: bug \| Status: new Priority: normal \| Milestone: Component: MusicBrainz Server \| Version: Server 2009-05-24 Resolution: \| Keywords: Browser: Netscape, Firefox, Mozilla (Gecko) \| Os: Linux -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Comment (by kuno): sidenote, modbot deletes empty artists and labels, right? Does it also not do that for empty release groups then? -- Ticket URL: <http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/5212#comment:1> MusicBrainz Bug Tracker <http://musicbrainz.org> MusicBrainz -- the music metadatabase _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-bugs mailing list Musicbrainz-bugs@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-bugs
	Re: [mb-bugs] [MusicBrainz Bug Tracker] #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors by MusicBrainz Bug Tracker :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Reporter: voiceinsideyou \| Owner: Type: bug \| Status: new Priority: normal \| Milestone: Component: MusicBrainz Server \| Version: Server 2009-05-24 Resolution: \| Keywords: Browser: Netscape, Firefox, Mozilla (Gecko) \| Os: Linux -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Comment (by voiceinsideyou): It doesn't delete empty labels; a cause of much annoyance for me. Been meaning to ask for a report on them actually. -- Ticket URL: <http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/5212#comment:2> MusicBrainz Bug Tracker <http://musicbrainz.org> MusicBrainz -- the music metadatabase _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-bugs mailing list Musicbrainz-bugs@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-bugs
	Re: [mb-bugs] [MusicBrainz Bug Tracker] #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors by MusicBrainz Bug Tracker :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Reporter: voiceinsideyou \| Owner: Type: bug \| Status: new Priority: normal \| Milestone: Component: MusicBrainz Server \| Version: Server 2009-05-24 Resolution: \| Keywords: Browser: Netscape, Firefox, Mozilla (Gecko) \| Os: Linux -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Comment (by inhouseuk): voice: I've hacked a quick and dirty report for labels without releases, but it doesn't exclude any having relationships. http://www.mb.inhouse.co.uk/labels-wo-releases.html if you want me to rerun it in the future, let me know. there are 1196 without releases. -- Ticket URL: <http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/5212#comment:3> MusicBrainz Bug Tracker <http://musicbrainz.org> MusicBrainz -- the music metadatabase _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-bugs mailing list Musicbrainz-bugs@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-bugs
	Re: [mb-bugs] [MusicBrainz Bug Tracker] #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors by MusicBrainz Bug Tracker :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Reporter: voiceinsideyou \| Owner: Type: bug \| Status: new Priority: normal \| Milestone: Component: MusicBrainz Server \| Version: Server 2009-05-24 Resolution: \| Keywords: Browser: Netscape, Firefox, Mozilla (Gecko) \| Os: Linux -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Comment (by rob): inhouseuk: send me the queries for that report and I will turn them into a proper report. -- Ticket URL: <http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/5212#comment:4> MusicBrainz Bug Tracker <http://musicbrainz.org> MusicBrainz -- the music metadatabase _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-bugs mailing list Musicbrainz-bugs@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-bugs
	Re: [mb-bugs] [MusicBrainz Bug Tracker] #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors by MusicBrainz Bug Tracker :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Reporter: voiceinsideyou \| Owner: Type: bug \| Status: new Priority: normal \| Milestone: Component: MusicBrainz Server \| Version: Server 2009-05-24 Resolution: \| Keywords: Browser: Netscape, Firefox, Mozilla (Gecko) \| Os: Linux -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Comment (by voiceinsideyou): Thanks inhouseuk, that's useful. I'm surprised there's so many; that's 3% of current labels! -- Ticket URL: <http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/5212#comment:5> MusicBrainz Bug Tracker <http://musicbrainz.org> MusicBrainz -- the music metadatabase _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-bugs mailing list Musicbrainz-bugs@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-bugs
	Re: [mb-bugs] [MusicBrainz Bug Tracker] #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors by MusicBrainz Bug Tracker :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Reporter: voiceinsideyou \| Owner: Type: bug \| Status: new Priority: normal \| Milestone: Component: MusicBrainz Server \| Version: Server 2009-05-24 Resolution: \| Keywords: Browser: Netscape, Firefox, Mozilla (Gecko) \| Os: Linux -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Comment (by voiceinsideyou): Can you please re-run the report now, inhouseuk? :) -- Ticket URL: <http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/5212#comment:6> MusicBrainz Bug Tracker <http://musicbrainz.org> MusicBrainz -- the music metadatabase _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-bugs mailing list Musicbrainz-bugs@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-bugs
	Re: [mb-bugs] [MusicBrainz Bug Tracker] #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors by MusicBrainz Bug Tracker :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Reporter: voiceinsideyou \| Owner: Type: bug \| Status: new Priority: normal \| Milestone: Component: MusicBrainz Server \| Version: Server 2009-05-24 Resolution: \| Keywords: Browser: Netscape, Firefox, Mozilla (Gecko) \| Os: Linux -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Comment (by inhouseuk): done :) Down to 24 listed now. -- Ticket URL: <http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/5212#comment:7> MusicBrainz Bug Tracker <http://musicbrainz.org> MusicBrainz -- the music metadatabase _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-bugs mailing list Musicbrainz-bugs@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-bugs
	Re: [mb-bugs] [MusicBrainz Bug Tracker] #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors by MusicBrainz Bug Tracker :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Reporter: voiceinsideyou \| Owner: Type: bug \| Status: new Priority: normal \| Milestone: Component: MusicBrainz Server \| Version: Server 2009-05-24 Resolution: \| Keywords: Browser: Netscape, Firefox, Mozilla (Gecko) \| Os: Linux -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Comment (by inhouseuk): infact, it's down to zero. Those 24 had AR's to releases. This is the final set of queries to find the list of empty labels ---------------------------------------------------------------------- drop table temp_label_id; select id into temp_label_id from label where modpending =0; delete from temp_label_id where id in (select distinct label from release where label NOTNULL); delete from temp_label_id where id in (select distinct link0 from l_label_url); delete from temp_label_id where id in (select distinct link0 from l_label_label); delete from temp_label_id where id in (select distinct link1 from l_label_label); delete from temp_label_id where id in (select distinct link0 from l_label_track); delete from temp_label_id where id in (select distinct link1 from l_artist_label); delete from temp_label_id where id in (select distinct link1 from l_album_label); select id from temp_label_id; -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Ticket URL: <http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/5212#comment:8> MusicBrainz Bug Tracker <http://musicbrainz.org> MusicBrainz -- the music metadatabase _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-bugs mailing list Musicbrainz-bugs@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-bugs
	Re: [mb-bugs] [MusicBrainz Bug Tracker] #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors by MusicBrainz Bug Tracker :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Reporter: voiceinsideyou \| Owner: Type: bug \| Status: new Priority: normal \| Milestone: Component: MusicBrainz Server \| Version: Server 2009-05-24 Resolution: \| Keywords: Browser: Netscape, Firefox, Mozilla (Gecko) \| Os: Linux -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Comment (by voiceinsideyou): Was quite quick deleting 'em once I turned off GreaseMonkey, inline edits etc so I could open ten tabs at a time without the throttler kicking in ^_^ -- Ticket URL: <http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/5212#comment:9> MusicBrainz Bug Tracker <http://musicbrainz.org> MusicBrainz -- the music metadatabase _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-bugs mailing list Musicbrainz-bugs@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-bugs
	Re: [mb-bugs] [MusicBrainz Bug Tracker] #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors by MusicBrainz Bug Tracker :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Reporter: voiceinsideyou \| Owner: Type: bug \| Status: new Priority: normal \| Milestone: Component: MusicBrainz Server \| Version: Server 2009-05-24 Resolution: \| Keywords: Browser: Netscape, Firefox, Mozilla (Gecko) \| Os: Linux -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Comment (by anonymous): Can I point out that there are some currently empty labels which do exist, and ought to not be removed simply because there are not currently any releases assigned? They have (or if they've been removed now, for being empty, had) good info in their annotations, and were part of various projects a few people - myself included - were working on. Voiceinsideyou, I'd been going to run just such a script over a year ago, to remove empty labels, (before I was working on some projects myself that temporarily would be creating some) and enough people pm'd asking me to hold off, due to projects they were working on... I just hope noone has jumped the gun and just removed these, given that removing an empty label (as I found) is an autoedit, so there's no chance for the editors involved in projects which created these to comment on the remove edits, nor a chance for them to even salvage the info out of the annotation, or to add at least a single blocker AR, to make it no longer a fully empty label... -- Ticket URL: <http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/5212#comment:10> MusicBrainz Bug Tracker <http://musicbrainz.org> MusicBrainz -- the music metadatabase _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-bugs mailing list Musicbrainz-bugs@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-bugs
	Re: [mb-bugs] [MusicBrainz Bug Tracker] #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors by MusicBrainz Bug Tracker :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Reporter: voiceinsideyou \| Owner: Type: bug \| Status: new Priority: normal \| Milestone: Component: MusicBrainz Server \| Version: Server 2009-05-24 Resolution: \| Keywords: Browser: Netscape, Firefox, Mozilla (Gecko) \| Os: Linux -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Comment (by voiceinsideyou): Too bad - been removed. I removed every one manually, and I only saw one or maybe two that had annotations and they didn't look particularly informative, and IIRC were at least 6 months old. Relying on a missing cleanup script of the server to stop stuff being removed is/was foolish IMO. "In progress" edits have no real place in the data set, as far as I can see. -- Ticket URL: <http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/5212#comment:11> MusicBrainz Bug Tracker <http://musicbrainz.org> MusicBrainz -- the music metadatabase _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-bugs mailing list Musicbrainz-bugs@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-bugs
	Re: [mb-bugs] [MusicBrainz Bug Tracker] #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors by MusicBrainz Bug Tracker :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Reporter: voiceinsideyou \| Owner: Type: bug \| Status: new Priority: normal \| Milestone: Component: MusicBrainz Server \| Version: Server 2009-05-24 Resolution: \| Keywords: Browser: Netscape, Firefox, Mozilla (Gecko) \| Os: Linux -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Comment (by BrianFreud): Yes, but "implementing" your own "cleanup" script, without any notice to anyone, is not productive either - anything which involves destructive "removing because it's empty" edits, without discussion, I have some pretty hefty problems with. "In progress" edits do have a perfectly fine place... how can they not? Or are you suggesting that noone ought to take on any project where the scope of the project cannot be completed without it requiring a more prolonged period of time to complete than a single browsing session? Point blank, you removed what may have been (and in at least a few cases, definitely were) valid labels, simply because they did not yet have ARs or releases attached to them, and without any community discussion, or opportunity for input (as the remove label edit type is erroniously a destructive but auto edit). -- Ticket URL: <http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/5212#comment:12> MusicBrainz Bug Tracker <http://musicbrainz.org> MusicBrainz -- the music metadatabase _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-bugs mailing list Musicbrainz-bugs@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-bugs
	Re: [mb-bugs] [MusicBrainz Bug Tracker] #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors by MusicBrainz Bug Tracker :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Reporter: voiceinsideyou \| Owner: Type: bug \| Status: new Priority: normal \| Milestone: Component: MusicBrainz Server \| Version: Server 2009-05-24 Resolution: \| Keywords: Browser: Netscape, Firefox, Mozilla (Gecko) \| Os: Linux -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Comment (by voiceinsideyou): brian - to be honest, I couldn't care less. No-one else volunteered to clean this up, and or is there a precedent of creating orphaned MBID entities to store random text, so quit your moaning. There were only a couple such annotations and at most they had a sentence of text. There was nothing I removed that appeared to have any actual effort put into it. You're giving the impression I deleted many hours of careful research and this just wasn't the case. A single browsing session? Complete exaggeration. All the labels were months old at least. There are plenty of places where "work in progress" about a label can be kept - you may have heard of a "Wiki", or a web site. There is no need to create MBID'd entities if they aren't connected to anything else just so you can dump some text into an annotation. -- Ticket URL: <http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/5212#comment:13> MusicBrainz Bug Tracker <http://musicbrainz.org> MusicBrainz -- the music metadatabase _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-bugs mailing list Musicbrainz-bugs@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-bugs
	Re: [mb-bugs] [MusicBrainz Bug Tracker] #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors by MusicBrainz Bug Tracker :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message #5212: removing empty release groups should be an autoedit for autoeditors -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Reporter: voiceinsideyou \| Owner: Type: bug \| Status: new Priority: normal \| Milestone: Component: MusicBrainz Server \| Version: Server 2009-05-24 Resolution: \| Keywords: Browser: Netscape, Firefox, Mozilla (Gecko) \| Os: Linux -------------------------------------------------+-------------------------- Comment (by BrianFreud): Voiceinsideyou, a so-called "empty" label still can contain annotations, tags, start/end dates, aliases, etc, and yet be considered "empty" by the server. When you say noone volunteered to clean it up, there was one day that passed between the report being generated, and your removing them all. A report, as was suggested above, would perhaps have been a better solution, allowing editors to check them by hand, rather than removing them wholesale. Or, give some community notice - running a script to clear "empty" labels as modbot does for artists is, imho, a sufficient enough change to at least give advance notification. Either way, it's a problematic edit type, given that it currently is broken (treated as autoeditable), and also that there's no subscription-like heads up back to the editor who created the label (as there would be for an artist). I just feel that any wholesale change in how data is handled, such as this, where data gets irreversibly removed, should be approved by the community, or at least, have the community get prior notification - not, as in this case, notification after the fact. -- Ticket URL: <http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/5212#comment:14> MusicBrainz Bug Tracker <http://musicbrainz.org> MusicBrainz -- the music metadatabase _______________________________________________ Musicbrainz-bugs mailing list Musicbrainz-bugs@... http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-bugs