[release] Last release of Shale?

[Matthias Wessendorf-4]

Hi,

as discussed already (here/dev@...) there will be a move of
Shale (or some parts of it),
into MyFaces.

But, before a thing like that will happen, we should release
1.0.5
1.1.0

WDYT?

--
Matthias Wessendorf

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[Paul Spencer-3]

As I have posted on this list before, I am in favor of releasing Shale
in it's current state before moving any parts of it to MyFaces.

Paul Spencer

Matthias Wessendorf wrote:

> Hi,
>
> as discussed already (here/dev@...) there will be a move of
> Shale (or some parts of it),
> into MyFaces.
>
> But, before a thing like that will happen, we should release
> 1.0.5
> 1.1.0
>
> WDYT?
>

[Gary%20VanMatre]

>From: "Matthias Wessendorf" <matzew@...>
>
> Hi,
>
> as discussed already (here/dev@...) there will be a move of
> Shale (or some parts of it),
> into MyFaces.
>
> But, before a thing like that will happen, we should release
> 1.0.5
> 1.1.0
>

I'd like to see another release.  I know there are several outstanding bugs logged that need addressed.  I hammered down a few several months ago but have not made the time to dig in again.  I saw that Rahul did some work last week too.  

I think another release would be important on both branches.  If we decide to merge with myfaces and don't take all of the existing modules, I'm not sure what that will do to people have investments in shale.  For example, Ryan Wynn has shared that they have developed a very large portal (man years of development) using Clay.  That's just one example and I'm sure there are others that have taken advantage of other parts of shale.

For this reason, I'm rethinking the "cafeteria" proposal.  I plan to be more active in the future.   IMO, Shale is a lost leader now.  Maybe Shale should consider pulling in more volunteers.   That seems to be a secret to Struts success over the years.  That leads to the next question, would they all be myfaces commiter anyway and would it just make sense to join communities.


Gary


> WDYT?
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
>
> further stuff:
> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ 
> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf 
> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org

[Matthias Wessendorf-4]

myfaces is already pretty large,
so if you feel, that Shale should stay a TLP, I have no problems with that.

I just came back to this idea, b/c was discussed in the past, nothing happened,
and Shale is pretty ... quite, these days.

-M

On Dec 6, 2007 5:13 PM, Gary VanMatre <gvanmatre@...> wrote:

> >From: "Matthias Wessendorf" <matzew@...>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > as discussed already (here/dev@...) there will be a move of
> > Shale (or some parts of it),
> > into MyFaces.
> >
> > But, before a thing like that will happen, we should release
> > 1.0.5
> > 1.1.0
> >
>
> I'd like to see another release.  I know there are several outstanding bugs logged that need addressed.  I hammered down a few several months ago but have not made the time to dig in again.  I saw that Rahul did some work last week too.
>
> I think another release would be important on both branches.  If we decide to merge with myfaces and don't take all of the existing modules, I'm not sure what that will do to people have investments in shale.  For example, Ryan Wynn has shared that they have developed a very large portal (man years of development) using Clay.  That's just one example and I'm sure there are others that have taken advantage of other parts of shale.
>
> For this reason, I'm rethinking the "cafeteria" proposal.  I plan to be more active in the future.   IMO, Shale is a lost leader now.  Maybe Shale should consider pulling in more volunteers.   That seems to be a secret to Struts success over the years.  That leads to the next question, would they all be myfaces commiter anyway and would it just make sense to join communities.
>
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> > WDYT?
> >
> > --
> > Matthias Wessendorf
> >
> > further stuff:
> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> > mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org

--
Matthias Wessendorf

further stuff:
blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org

[Gary%20VanMatre]

>From: "Matthias Wessendorf" <matzew@...>
>
> myfaces is already pretty large,
> so if you feel, that Shale should stay a TLP, I have no problems with that.
>
> I just came back to this idea, b/c was discussed in the past, nothing happened,
> and Shale is pretty ... quite, these days.
>

There hasn't been allot of activity.  Although, I think that other apache projects have periods of less activity.  But, I've not seen many request on the mailing lists for features to be implemented and releases to be made.

> -M
>
> On Dec 6, 2007 5:13 PM, Gary VanMatre wrote:
> > >From: "Matthias Wessendorf"
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > as discussed already (here/dev@...) there will be a move of
> > > Shale (or some parts of it),
> > > into MyFaces.
> > >
> > > But, before a thing like that will happen, we should release
> > > 1.0.5
> > > 1.1.0
> > >
> >
> > I'd like to see another release. I know there are several outstanding bugs
> logged that need addressed. I hammered down a few several months ago but have
> not made the time to dig in again. I saw that Rahul did some work last week
> too.
> >
> > I think another release would be important on both branches. If we decide to
> merge with myfaces and don't take all of the existing modules, I'm not sure what
> that will do to people have investments in shale. For example, Ryan Wynn has
> shared that they have developed a very large portal (man years of development)
> using Clay. That's just one example and I'm sure there are others that have
> taken advantage of other parts of shale.
> >
> > For this reason, I'm rethinking the "cafeteria" proposal. I plan to be more
> active in the future. IMO, Shale is a lost leader now. Maybe Shale should
> consider pulling in more volunteers. That seems to be a secret to Struts
> success over the years. That leads to the next question, would they all be
> myfaces commiter anyway and would it just make sense to join communities.
> >
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >
> > > WDYT?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > >
> > > further stuff:
> > > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ 
> > > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf 
> > > mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
>
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
>
> further stuff:
> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ 
> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf 
> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org

[Paul Spencer-3]

Gary VanMatre wrote:

>> From: "Matthias Wessendorf" <matzew@...>
>>
>> myfaces is already pretty large, so if you feel, that Shale should
>> stay a TLP, I have no problems with that.
>>
>> I just came back to this idea, b/c was discussed in the past,
>> nothing happened, and Shale is pretty ... quite, these days.
>>
>
> There hasn't been allot of activity.  Although, I think that other
> apache projects have periods of less activity.  But, I've not seen
> many request on the mailing lists for features to be implemented and
> releases to be made.
>

 From the stand point of finding what you need from a mailing list, a
low traffic mailing list is a good thing.  The MyFaces lists are
contains MyFaces for JSF 1.1, MyFaces for JSF 1.2, Tomahawk, Trinidad,
Orchestra, and JSF Commons traffic.  Adding Shale and it's sub projects
will just increase the traffic and user frustration.

A wild thought. Why not move JSF Commons, in whole or part, into Shale?
This is a way of strengthen the Shale community.

>
>> -M
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2007 5:13 PM, Gary VanMatre wrote:
>>>> From: "Matthias Wessendorf"
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> as discussed already (here/dev@...) there will be a
>>>> move of Shale (or some parts of it), into MyFaces.
>>>>
>>>> But, before a thing like that will happen, we should release
>>>> 1.0.5 1.1.0
>>>>
>>> I'd like to see another release. I know there are several
>>> outstanding bugs
>> logged that need addressed. I hammered down a few several months
>> ago but have not made the time to dig in again. I saw that Rahul
>> did some work last week too.
>>> I think another release would be important on both branches. If
>>> we decide to
>> merge with myfaces and don't take all of the existing modules, I'm
>> not sure what that will do to people have investments in shale. For
>> example, Ryan Wynn has shared that they have developed a very large
>> portal (man years of development) using Clay. That's just one
>> example and I'm sure there are others that have taken advantage of
>> other parts of shale.
>>> For this reason, I'm rethinking the "cafeteria" proposal. I plan
>>> to be more
>> active in the future. IMO, Shale is a lost leader now. Maybe Shale
>> should consider pulling in more volunteers. That seems to be a
>> secret to Struts success over the years. That leads to the next
>> question, would they all be myfaces commiter anyway and would it
>> just make sense to join communities.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> WDYT?
>>>>
>>>> -- Matthias Wessendorf
>>>>
>>>> further stuff: blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ 
>>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf mail:
>>>> matzew-at-apache-dot-org
>>
>>
>> -- Matthias Wessendorf
>>
>> further stuff: blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ 
>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf mail:
>> matzew-at-apache-dot-org

[Paul Spencer-3]

Paul Spencer wrote:
> Gary VanMatre wrote:

<snip>

>>
>> There hasn't been allot of activity.  Although, I think that other
>> apache projects have periods of less activity.  But, I've not seen
>> many request on the mailing lists for features to be implemented and
>> releases to be made.
>>
>
>  From the stand point of finding what you need from a mailing list, a
> low traffic mailing list is a good thing.  The MyFaces lists are
> contains MyFaces for JSF 1.1, MyFaces for JSF 1.2, Tomahawk, Trinidad,
> Orchestra, and JSF Commons traffic.  Adding Shale and it's sub projects
> will just increase the traffic and user frustration.
>

On the first sentence I meant to say:
    From the stand point of finding what you need from a mailing list, a
    focused mailing list is a good thing.

<snip>

Paul Spencer

[Matthias Wessendorf-4]

>  From the stand point of finding what you need from a mailing list, a
> low traffic mailing list is a good thing.  The MyFaces lists are
> contains MyFaces for JSF 1.1, MyFaces for JSF 1.2, Tomahawk, Trinidad,
> Orchestra, and JSF Commons traffic.  Adding Shale and it's sub projects
> will just increase the traffic and user frustration.

yes; the board warned us, but... looks like MyFaces becomes the next Jakarta :-)

>
> A wild thought. Why not move JSF Commons, in whole or part, into Shale?
> This is a way of strengthen the Shale community.

hrm... I don't know

>
>
>
> >
> >> -M
> >>
> >> On Dec 6, 2007 5:13 PM, Gary VanMatre wrote:
> >>>> From: "Matthias Wessendorf"
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> as discussed already (here/dev@...) there will be a
> >>>> move of Shale (or some parts of it), into MyFaces.
> >>>>
> >>>> But, before a thing like that will happen, we should release
> >>>> 1.0.5 1.1.0
> >>>>
> >>> I'd like to see another release. I know there are several
> >>> outstanding bugs
> >> logged that need addressed. I hammered down a few several months
> >> ago but have not made the time to dig in again. I saw that Rahul
> >> did some work last week too.
> >>> I think another release would be important on both branches. If
> >>> we decide to
> >> merge with myfaces and don't take all of the existing modules, I'm
> >> not sure what that will do to people have investments in shale. For
> >> example, Ryan Wynn has shared that they have developed a very large
> >> portal (man years of development) using Clay. That's just one
> >> example and I'm sure there are others that have taken advantage of
> >> other parts of shale.
> >>> For this reason, I'm rethinking the "cafeteria" proposal. I plan
> >>> to be more
> >> active in the future. IMO, Shale is a lost leader now. Maybe Shale
> >> should consider pulling in more volunteers. That seems to be a
> >> secret to Struts success over the years. That leads to the next
> >> question, would they all be myfaces commiter anyway and would it
> >> just make sense to join communities.
> >>>
> >>> Gary
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> WDYT?
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Matthias Wessendorf
> >>>>
> >>>> further stuff: blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf mail:
> >>>> matzew-at-apache-dot-org
> >>
> >>
> >> -- Matthias Wessendorf
> >>
> >> further stuff: blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf mail:
> >> matzew-at-apache-dot-org
>
>

--
Matthias Wessendorf

further stuff:
blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org

[Wendy Smoak-3]

On Dec 6, 2007 8:15 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@...> wrote:

> as discussed already (here/dev@...) there will be a move of
> Shale (or some parts of it),
> into MyFaces.
>
> But, before a thing like that will happen, we should release
> 1.0.5
> 1.1.0
>
> WDYT?

I'm looking at the 1.0.x branch, trying to get everything into a
single distribution so that it's easy to release.

I'm not sure about releasing the 1.1 trunk.  It hasn't had a release
so far, is anyone really using it?

--
Wendy

[Wendy Smoak-3]

On Dec 8, 2007 6:40 PM, Wendy Smoak <wsmoak@...> wrote:

> I'm looking at the 1.0.x branch, trying to get everything into a
> single distribution so that it's easy to release.

Or not.  I didn't realize how many example apps we have!  I put them
back in a profile so they're not part of the default build.  Use
-Dapps to activate the profile.

I switched to the latest assembly plugin version (2.2-beta-1) and
attached the framework distribution assembly so it should build during
the normal lifecycle (i.e., when you type 'mvn site install' instead
of having to type 'cd shale-dist; mvn assembly:assembly'.)  The
contents need to be verified, though.  It might not be picking up the
documentation.

Looks like the two remaining issues are the snapshot version of the
shale-master pom, and the Tiles dependency which is on an old
snapshot.  Shale Tiles does not compile against any release of Tiles
2.  Is anyone planning to work on the Tiles integration?

--
Wendy

[Paul Spencer-3]

Wendy,
1.1.0-SNAPSHOT contains the testing-framework enhancement I would like
to use with MyFaces.  Please release this version of Shale.

Paul Spencer

Wendy Smoak wrote:

> On Dec 6, 2007 8:15 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@...> wrote:
>
>> as discussed already (here/dev@...) there will be a move of
>> Shale (or some parts of it),
>> into MyFaces.
>>
>> But, before a thing like that will happen, we should release
>> 1.0.5
>> 1.1.0
>>
>> WDYT?
>
> I'm looking at the 1.0.x branch, trying to get everything into a
> single distribution so that it's easy to release.
>
> I'm not sure about releasing the 1.1 trunk.  It hasn't had a release
> so far, is anyone really using it?
>

[samju]

Hello!

we are using the shale-**-1.1.0-SNAPSHOT.jar. it will be nice to have a stable release.
i believe in Shale ;-)
Sam

Wendy Smoak-3 wrote:

On Dec 6, 2007 8:15 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <[e-mail]> wrote:

> as discussed already (here/dev@myfaces.a.o) there will be a move of
> Shale (or some parts of it),
> into MyFaces.
>
> But, before a thing like that will happen, we should release
> 1.0.5
> 1.1.0
>
> WDYT?

I'm looking at the 1.0.x branch, trying to get everything into a
single distribution so that it's easy to release.

I'm not sure about releasing the 1.1 trunk.  It hasn't had a release
so far, is anyone really using it?

--
Wendy

[mario.buonopane]

+1

-----Original Message-----
From: samju [mailto:julsamusa@...]
Sent: 12 dicembre 2007 00.17
To: dev@...
Subject: Re: [release] Last release of Shale?


Hello!

we are using the shale-**-1.1.0-SNAPSHOT.jar. it will be nice to have a
stable release.
i believe in Shale ;-)
Sam

Wendy Smoak-3 wrote:

>
> On Dec 6, 2007 8:15 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@...> wrote:
>
>> as discussed already (here/dev@...) there will be a move of
>> Shale (or some parts of it),
>> into MyFaces.
>>
>> But, before a thing like that will happen, we should release
>> 1.0.5
>> 1.1.0
>>
>> WDYT?
>
> I'm looking at the 1.0.x branch, trying to get everything into a
> single distribution so that it's easy to release.
>
> I'm not sure about releasing the 1.1 trunk.  It hasn't had a release
> so far, is anyone really using it?
>
> --
> Wendy
>
>

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Hello!

we are using the shale-**-1.1.0-SNAPSHOT.jar. it will be nice to have a
stable release. i believe in Shale ;-) Sam

Wendy Smoak-3 wrote:

>
> On Dec 6, 2007 8:15 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@...> wrote:
>
>> as discussed already (here/dev@...) there will be a move of
>> Shale (or some parts of it), into MyFaces.
>>
>> But, before a thing like that will happen, we should release 1.0.5
>> 1.1.0
>>
>> WDYT?
>
> I'm looking at the 1.0.x branch, trying to get everything into a
> single distribution so that it's easy to release.
>
> I'm not sure about releasing the 1.1 trunk.  It hasn't had a release
> so far, is anyone really using it?
>
> --
> Wendy
>
>

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[Rahul Akolkar]

On 12/6/07, Gary VanMatre <gvanmatre@...> wrote:

> >From: "Matthias Wessendorf" <matzew@...>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > as discussed already (here/dev@...) there will be a move of
> > Shale (or some parts of it),
> > into MyFaces.
> >
> > But, before a thing like that will happen, we should release
> > 1.0.5
> > 1.1.0
> >
>
> I'd like to see another release.  I know there are several outstanding bugs logged that need addressed.  I hammered down a few several months ago but have not made the time to dig in again.  I saw that Rahul did some work last week too.
>
> I think another release would be important on both branches.  If we decide to merge with myfaces and don't take all of the existing modules, I'm not sure what that will do to people have investments in shale.  For example, Ryan Wynn has shared that they have developed a very large portal (man years of development) using Clay.  That's just one example and I'm sure there are others that have taken advantage of other parts of shale.
>
> For this reason, I'm rethinking the "cafeteria" proposal.  I plan to be more active in the future.   IMO, Shale is a lost leader now.  Maybe Shale should consider pulling in more volunteers.   That seems to be a secret to Struts success over the years.  That leads to the next question, would they all be myfaces commiter anyway and would it just make sense to join communities.
>

<snip/>

Glad to know that you're planning to be more active in the future, in
the "activity begets activity" vein ( rather than launch into any new
text, let me just point to Hen's notes [1] ).

Also, I don't think we should be calling out releases as last releases
(unless the PMC makes / has made that decision).

I was occupied elsewhere in Apache land for a couple of weeks (and
will be till the weekend), but I want to help with a release from one
of the branches (say, 1_0_X). If this can happen at the year end, I
will have more time.

-Rahul

[1] http://blog.generationjava.com/roller/bayard/entry/activity-begets-activity

>
> Gary
>
>
> > WDYT?
> >
> > --
> > Matthias Wessendorf
> >
> > further stuff:
> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> > mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org

[Rahul Akolkar]

On 12/8/07, Wendy Smoak <wsmoak@...> wrote:

> On Dec 8, 2007 6:40 PM, Wendy Smoak <wsmoak@...> wrote:
>
> > I'm looking at the 1.0.x branch, trying to get everything into a
> > single distribution so that it's easy to release.
>
> Or not.  I didn't realize how many example apps we have!  I put them
> back in a profile so they're not part of the default build.  Use
> -Dapps to activate the profile.
>
> I switched to the latest assembly plugin version (2.2-beta-1) and
> attached the framework distribution assembly so it should build during
> the normal lifecycle (i.e., when you type 'mvn site install' instead
> of having to type 'cd shale-dist; mvn assembly:assembly'.)  The
> contents need to be verified, though.  It might not be picking up the
> documentation.
>

<snip/>

OK, I intend to take a look at the changes over the weekend.


> Looks like the two remaining issues are the snapshot version of the
> shale-master pom, and the Tiles dependency which is on an old
> snapshot.  Shale Tiles does not compile against any release of Tiles
> 2.  Is anyone planning to work on the Tiles integration?
>
<snap/>

This seems to be on the critical path. Anyone?

-Rahul



> --
> Wendy
>

[Greg Reddin-4]

On Dec 19, 2007 4:32 PM, Rahul Akolkar <rahul.akolkar@...> wrote:
> > Looks like the two remaining issues are the snapshot version of the
> > shale-master pom, and the Tiles dependency which is on an old
> > snapshot.  Shale Tiles does not compile against any release of Tiles
> > 2.  Is anyone planning to work on the Tiles integration?
> >
> <snap/>
>
> This seems to be on the critical path. Anyone?

I'm listening, but having a hard time making time to do the Tiles
thing. My work is starting to slow down a bit. Maybe I can jump in and
upgrade the Tiles support by the end of the week.

Greg

[Rahul Akolkar]

On 12/20/07, Greg Reddin <gredbug@...> wrote:
<snip/>
>
> I'm listening, but having a hard time making time to do the Tiles
> thing. My work is starting to slow down a bit. Maybe I can jump in and
> upgrade the Tiles support by the end of the week.
>
<snap/>

That'd be great, thanks in advance!

-Rahul


> Greg
>