[rfc] "XSPF" versus "Spiff", rename libSpiff to libxspf?

[Sebastian Pipping-4]

Hello!


I have come to a point where I seriously consider
renaming libSpiff to libxspf.  I feel instead of helping
the word "Spiff" to me does

 - might be adding to the "XSPF what?" confusion

 - "spiff" does not give anything XSPF-related
   on the first 100 google results

So let me ask:

 - Is there any reason not to bury the term "spiff"
   for XSPF in general?

 - What strong reasons do you see against a rename
   of libSpiff?  Please join me in planning a
   seamless transition if that's stuff your
   head likes to play around with.

Your comments please.



Sebastian

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[Saoshyant]

The spiff part has always been intended as a market workd, an easy way
to say XSPF in everyday talk.  While I don't think that turned out
that well, I would advise against renaming a project which has reached
it's 1.0 milestone and's been around for a few years now.

Your call, either way.

-Ivo

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[Sebastian Pipping-4]

Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves wrote:
> [..] I would advise against renaming a project which has reached
> it's 1.0 milestone and's been around for a few years now.

libSpiff seems only used by three pieces of software:
- foo_xspf (plugin for Foobar2000)
- Herrie (console music player)
- OpenMoko Media Player

Without saying that libSpiff failed, I don't think there
is not much reputation to lose for libSpiff, maybe even
win from a new name?



Sebastian


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[RJ-21]

FWIW, i'm working on a content resolver atm and looking at xspf.
I think libxspf is a *much* better and more natural name, I never liked the Spiff idea.
Principle of least surprise and all that..
RJ

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Subject: Re: [Playlist] [rfc] "XSPF" versus "Spiff", rename libSpiff to libxspf?

Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves wrote:
> [..] I would advise against renaming a project which has reached
> it's 1.0 milestone and's been around for a few years now.

libSpiff seems only used by three pieces of software:
- foo_xspf (plugin for Foobar2000)
- Herrie (console music player)
- OpenMoko Media Player

Without saying that libSpiff failed, I don't think there
is not much reputation to lose for libSpiff, maybe even
win from a new name?



Sebastian


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[Saoshyant]

On 2/16/09, Sebastian Pipping <webmaster@...> wrote:
> Without saying that libSpiff failed, I don't think there
> is not much reputation to lose for libSpiff, maybe even
> win from a new name?

If you think so, go for it.  The transition won't be easy, though
(e.g. convince Debian maintainers to rename packages).

-Ivo

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[Sebastian Pipping-4]

RJ wrote:
> FWIW, i'm working on a content resolver atm and looking at xspf.
> I think libxspf is a *much* better and more natural name, I never liked the Spiff idea.
> Principle of least surprise and all that..

thanks for your voice, looking forward to hearing
from your resolver.



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[rbu]

On Monday 16 February 2009, Sebastian Pipping wrote:

> Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves wrote:
> > [..] I would advise against renaming a project which has reached
> > it's 1.0 milestone and's been around for a few years now.
>
> libSpiff seems only used by three pieces of software:
> - foo_xspf (plugin for Foobar2000)
> - Herrie (console music player)
> - OpenMoko Media Player
>
> Without saying that libSpiff failed, I don't think there
> is not much reputation to lose for libSpiff, maybe even
> win from a new name?

You're trading "being easier to find and identify for new users" at the
price of annoying everyone who ever worked with the project, i.e.:

-  authors who maintain software linking against it (they will always
   need to have special cases in their configure to find out linking
   flags)
-  packagagers who need to rename their packages
-  users who need to recompile their installed software in some
   non-obvious way
-  supporters who link to the sourceforge/freshmeat/whatever etc.  
   homepages that will all need a new URL
-  documentation authors that will need to add an extra sentence
-  yourself, as you will always have to carry that
   "libxspf (formerly libspiff)" in your software

I don't it was a smart choice naming the software libspiff, but I think
it is an even worse choice to rename it at all. However, if you want to
go ahead with renaming, rather do it now than later.


Robert


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[Lucas Gonze-3]

I think consistency in naming would probably do good things.
Function-oriented names are easier to understand.

Sebastian Pipping wrote:

> RJ wrote:
>> FWIW, i'm working on a content resolver atm and looking at xspf.
>> I think libxspf is a *much* better and more natural name, I never liked the Spiff idea.
>> Principle of least surprise and all that..
>
> thanks for your voice, looking forward to hearing
> from your resolver.
>
>
>
> sebastian
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[Bjorn Wijers]

A name change is slightly annoying, but I prefer the libxspf so I would suggest
to rename it. Perhaps keep both names for a limited period of time, so third
parties can adapt?

grtz
BjornW


Lucas Gonze wrote:

> I think consistency in naming would probably do good things.
> Function-oriented names are easier to understand.
>
> Sebastian Pipping wrote:
>> RJ wrote:
>>> FWIW, i'm working on a content resolver atm and looking at xspf.
>>> I think libxspf is a *much* better and more natural name, I never liked the Spiff idea.
>>> Principle of least surprise and all that..
>> thanks for your voice, looking forward to hearing
>> from your resolver.
>>
>>
>>
>> sebastian
>>
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[Sebastian Pipping-4]

Just so you know I have just started the transition.
I'll try to make things go smooth for everyone.

Let's hope it all goes well :-)



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[Bjorn Wijers]

Thanks for the update. Good luck with the transition.

All the best,

grtz
BjornW


Sebastian Pipping wrote:

> Just so you know I have just started the transition.
> I'll try to make things go smooth for everyone.
>
> Let's hope it all goes well :-)
>
>
>
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