[scala] ScalaDays '08

[Bill Venners]

Hi All,

Bruce Eckel and I are considering hosting an open-space Scala  
conference, tentatively called ScalaDays 2008, in or near San  
Francisco on the weekend after JavaOne. The goals of the conference are:

1. Community building - to bring people together face to face who have  
been interacting via email on this list

2. Discussion - to discuss whatever issues the community thinks are  
important, including issues about how to organize the community and of  
course technical issues

3. Spread the word - to help people understand Scala in more depth, no  
matter what level of expertise they start with when they walk in the  
door

At an open space conference, the attendees first suggest topics and  
then vote on them. The topics that get the most votes are then  
scheduled into break-out sessions. Multiple sessions are scheduled at  
the same time, and you can attend whichever interests you most. You're  
also free to get up and walk over to a different session anytime you  
want. There are no, or few, prepared presentations.

We would like to get an idea of how many people might attend, and how  
many days it should run. Martin Odersky says he could likely attend on  
Saturday. Bruce and I think that once folks get started we'll have a  
lot to talk about. Three options we're considering is a one day  
conference, a two day conference, and a one and a half day conference.  
The latter could finish early on Sunday, like at noon or 2PM, giving  
people time to catch afternoon and evening flights. We could also  
potentially start on Friday evening.

Artima and Mindview (Bruce's company) will put up the funds and  
organized, and we'll charge a nominal fee per attendee. We'd like to  
keep it as affordable as possible.

We'd like to gauge interest. If you think you'd like to attend, please  
email me at bv-jackrabbit@.... (The jackrabbit is because I  
created this email for the Apache Jackrabbit mailing list. It will fly  
past my anti-spam challenge/response system.) Let me know:

1. Would you prefer 1, 1.5, or 2 days?
2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how likely is it that you would attend?

Thanks.

Bill
----
Bill Venners
President
Artima, Inc.
http://www.artima.com

[olambo]

How about Sydney, thats near San F, isn't it : )

On 04/01/2008, at 11:00 AM, Bill Venners wrote:

> ScalaDays

[Bill Venners]

Hi Derek,

We'll probably try and record at least some of the sessions and share  
them on the net. Not everyone wants to be recorded, so we'd only do it  
if we can get permission from everyone first. I think this recording  
from the JavaPosse roundup is about what you can expect:

http://javaposse.com/index.php?post_id=199323

Thanks.

Bill

On Jan 3, 2008, at 10:22 PM, Derek Chen-Becker wrote:

> Oliver Lambert wrote:
>> How about Sydney, thats near San F, isn't it : )
>>
>
> Denver is closer. Besides, my friend says it's just pouring rain in
> Sydney these days ;) Seriously, though, this sounds like a great idea
> and I really wish I could attend. It sounds a lot more free-form than
> conferences I've been to, so is there any chance of minutes or
> recordings of the discussions?
>
> Derek
>

[olambo]

On 04/01/2008, at 11:00 AM, Bill Venners wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Bruce Eckel and I are considering hosting an open-space Scala  
> conference, tentatively called ScalaDays 2008, in or near San  
> Francisco on the weekend after JavaOne. The goals of the conference  
> are:
>
> 1. Community building - to bring people together face to face who  
> have been interacting via email on this list

People on this list are from all over the world, not just the USA, but  
I would think that many of the "super scala brains" that you are  
perhaps referring to are currently in Europe. I can't see this working  
- or perhaps you could charter a few jets ; )
Personally, I can't afford to come to San Francisco and I imagine lots  
more would be on the same boat.

> 2. Discussion - to discuss whatever issues the community thinks are  
> important, including issues about how to organize the community and  
> of course technical issues
>

I thought people were discussing and organizing things here.

> 3. Spread the word - to help people understand Scala in more depth,  
> no matter what level of expertise they start with when they walk in  
> the door

Seems like a valid thing to do, if there is enough interest in Scala  
at JavaOne, that couldn't be addressed by another "Scala is fun"  
session. Can we have a "Scala is scary, very scary" this year?

> At an open space conference, the attendees first suggest topics and  
> then vote on them. The topics that get the most votes are then  
> scheduled into break-out sessions. Multiple sessions are scheduled  
> at the same time, and you can attend whichever interests you most.  
> You're also free to get up and walk over to a different session  
> anytime you want. There are no, or few, prepared presentations.
>
> We would like to get an idea of how many people might attend, and  
> how many days it should run. Martin Odersky says he could likely  
> attend on Saturday. Bruce and I think that once folks get started  
> we'll have a lot to talk about. Three options we're considering is a  
> one day conference, a two day conference, and a one and a half day  
> conference. The latter could finish early on Sunday, like at noon or  
> 2PM, giving people time to catch afternoon and evening flights. We  
> could also potentially start on Friday evening.
>
> Artima and Mindview (Bruce's company) will put up the funds and  
> organized, and we'll charge a nominal fee per attendee. We'd like to  
> keep it as affordable as possible.
>

Does Bruce know Scala?

> We'd like to gauge interest. If you think you'd like to attend,  
> please email me at bv-jackrabbit@.... (The jackrabbit is  
> because I created this email for the Apache Jackrabbit mailing list.  
> It will fly past my anti-spam challenge/response system.) Let me know:
>
> 1. Would you prefer 1, 1.5, or 2 days?
> 2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how likely is it that you would attend?

Guess I'm sitting pretty much on 1 on the attendance.  I'd really  
prefer 0 days - However, if the set up was  multi continental  
videocast simulcast,  linking up most of the interested parties, well  
I might change my mind.

>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bill
> ----
> Bill Venners
> President
> Artima, Inc.
> http://www.artima.com
>
>
>

[Bill Venners]

Hi Oliver,

On Jan 4, 2008, at 7:42 PM, Oliver Lambert wrote:

>
> On 04/01/2008, at 11:00 AM, Bill Venners wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Bruce Eckel and I are considering hosting an open-space Scala  
>> conference, tentatively called ScalaDays 2008, in or near San  
>> Francisco on the weekend after JavaOne. The goals of the conference  
>> are:
>>
>> 1. Community building - to bring people together face to face who  
>> have been interacting via email on this list
>
> People on this list are from all over the world, not just the USA,  
> but I would think that many of the "super scala brains" that you are  
> perhaps referring to are currently in Europe. I can't see this  
> working - or perhaps you could charter a few jets ; )
> Personally, I can't afford to come to San Francisco and I imagine  
> lots more would be on the same boat.
>

It isn't intended for folks in the U.S. so much as for folks who are  
going to be at JavaOne. I'm not sure how any people will attend  
JavaOne this year, probably well over 10,000. And they will be from  
all over the world. It isn't a bad idea to have one in Europe at some  
point, though.

I'm not really referring to super Scala brains in particular, but the  
more prominent members of the community who we can bring together face-
to-face the better.

>> 2. Discussion - to discuss whatever issues the community thinks are  
>> important, including issues about how to organize the community and  
>> of course technical issues
>>
>
> I thought people were discussing and organizing things here.
>
Yes indeed, but the bandwidth is so much better in person.

>> 3. Spread the word - to help people understand Scala in more depth,  
>> no matter what level of expertise they start with when they walk in  
>> the door
>
> Seems like a valid thing to do, if there is enough interest in Scala  
> at JavaOne, that couldn't be addressed by another "Scala is fun"  
> session. Can we have a "Scala is scary, very scary" this year?
>
>
>> At an open space conference, the attendees first suggest topics and  
>> then vote on them. The topics that get the most votes are then  
>> scheduled into break-out sessions. Multiple sessions are scheduled  
>> at the same time, and you can attend whichever interests you most.  
>> You're also free to get up and walk over to a different session  
>> anytime you want. There are no, or few, prepared presentations.
>>
>> We would like to get an idea of how many people might attend, and  
>> how many days it should run. Martin Odersky says he could likely  
>> attend on Saturday. Bruce and I think that once folks get started  
>> we'll have a lot to talk about. Three options we're considering is  
>> a one day conference, a two day conference, and a one and a half  
>> day conference. The latter could finish early on Sunday, like at  
>> noon or 2PM, giving people time to catch afternoon and evening  
>> flights. We could also potentially start on Friday evening.
>>
>> Artima and Mindview (Bruce's company) will put up the funds and  
>> organized, and we'll charge a nominal fee per attendee. We'd like  
>> to keep it as affordable as possible.
>>
>
> Does Bruce know Scala?
>

I'm not sure how far along he is. I suspect I'm farther along than  
Bruce, and I still have quite a ways to go on the learning curve.  
Bruce and I would not be teaching Scala or anything like that, just  
facilitating the conference.

>> We'd like to gauge interest. If you think you'd like to attend,  
>> please email me at bv-jackrabbit@.... (The jackrabbit is  
>> because I created this email for the Apache Jackrabbit mailing  
>> list. It will fly past my anti-spam challenge/response system.) Let  
>> me know:
>>
>> 1. Would you prefer 1, 1.5, or 2 days?
>> 2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how likely is it that you would attend?
>
> Guess I'm sitting pretty much on 1 on the attendance.  I'd really  
> prefer 0 days - However, if the set up was  multi continental  
> videocast simulcast,  linking up most of the interested parties,  
> well I might change my mind.
>

You don't have to have everyone at a conference for it to be useful.  
This is just a conference for folks interested in Scala who are going  
to be at JavaOne. That's all. There will be other conferences in other  
places in the future, and many of the people who can go to this one  
won't be able to go to others held elsewhere.

Bill

>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Bill
>> ----
>> Bill Venners
>> President
>> Artima, Inc.
>> http://www.artima.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Doug Landauer-3]

On Jan 4, 2008 4:42 PM, Oliver Lambert <olambo@...> wrote:

Does Bruce know Scala?

FWIW, he's known of the existence of Scala for at least three and a half years, when I received his OK for my "Thinking in Scala" series of exercise solutions.

  http://radio.weblogs.com/0100945/2004/05/

-- Doug L.

[csar]

On Jan 5, 2008 3:33 AM, Bill Venners <bv-jackrabbit@...> wrote:

It isn't intended for folks in the U.S. so much as for folks who are
going to be at JavaOne. I'm not sure how any people will attend
JavaOne this year, probably well over 10,000. And they will be from
all over the world. It isn't a bad idea to have one in Europe at some
point, though.

Why not  making a really interesting experiment and make a simultaneous open-space somewhere in Europe? I do not even think about video conferencing, just an exchange of the topics collected at the beginning of the conference. Would be quite interesting to see what comes out of the topic if discussed in isolation.

Problem with linking up with Java One is that not all Scalaist are so heavy into Java that they will go to Java One and for the others it might be a bit too packed - not speaking of getting budget approval for two consecutive conferences.

Carsten

[Arrgh]

On 5-Jan-08, at 2:18 PM, Carsten Saager wrote:

> Problem with linking up with Java One is that not all Scalaist are  
> so heavy into Java that they will go to Java One and for the others  
> it might be a bit too packed - not speaking of getting budget  
> approval for two consecutive conferences.

I won't be going to Java One but I'm a lot more likely to go down for  
a cheaper, shorter and hugely more relevant "conference!" :)

-0xe1a

[Eric Willigers]

Oliver Lambert wrote:
> People on this list are from all over the world, not just the USA, but I
> would think that many of the "super scala brains" that you are perhaps
> referring to are currently in Europe. I can't see this working - or
> perhaps you could charter a few jets ; )
> Personally, I can't afford to come to San Francisco and I imagine lots
> more would be on the same boat.

Hi Oliver,

I'm a neighbour (living in Wollongong). There are a few more of us from
the wider Asia-Pacific:-

Australia (NSW, Queensland, Victoria)
China
Japan
New Zealand
Singapore
(apologies if I missed any)

If or when others come out to this region for a conference or the like
(ideally with lots of notice), we should hold something.

Eric.

[Andrew.Foggin]

Eric Willigers wrote:

> Oliver Lambert wrote:
>> People on this list are from all over the world, not just the USA,
>> but I would think that many of the "super scala brains" that you are
>> perhaps referring to are currently in Europe. I can't see this
>> working - or perhaps you could charter a few jets ; )
>> Personally, I can't afford to come to San Francisco and I imagine
>> lots more would be on the same boat.
>
> Hi Oliver,
>
> I'm a neighbour (living in Wollongong). There are a few more of us
> from the wider Asia-Pacific:-
>
> Australia (NSW, Queensland, Victoria)
> China
> Japan
> New Zealand
> Singapore
> (apologies if I missed any)

You can add Perth, Western Australia.  Unfortunately for me there's a
good reason why it's sometimes called the most isolated capital in the
world :-\

--Andrew
>
> If or when others come out to this region for a conference or the like
> (ideally with lots of notice), we should hold something.
>
> Eric.
>
>

[pstickne]

Some IRC rooms (and emacs-wiki?) and such have maps of where people
live displayed on a world map.

I have no idea how to set something like this up, but it would be
interesting to see where people on the Scala ML lived. I would suspect
*most* people are from the US or Europe.

[Andrés Testi]

Hi, anyone from south america? I'm from Argentina ;)

[David MacIver]

Almost all of my blog traffic at the moment is Scala related. Here's
where Google analytics says people are coming from (at least, the top
ten countries):

1. United States 2,001
2. United Kingdom 366
3. Germany 304
4. Canada 246
5. Australia 146
6. Sweden 124
7. Netherlands 101
8. India 100
9. France 95
10. Finland 84

Probably doesn't mean much, but I expect it's at least somewhat representative.

[csar]

Someone name Arrgh created a Frappr map http://www.frappr.com/scala - if everyone here adds himself we get a proper visualization how the scala grup is distributed

On Jan 6, 2008 12:59 PM, David MacIver <david.maciver@...> wrote:

Almost all of my blog traffic at the moment is Scala related. Here's
where Google analytics says people are coming from (at least, the top
ten countries):

1.      United States   2,001
2.      United Kingdom  366
3.      Germany         304
4.      Canada  246
5.      Australia       146
6.      Sweden  124
7.      Netherlands     101
8.      India   100
9.      France  95
10.     Finland 84

Probably doesn't mean much, but I expect it's at least somewhat representative.

--
"How does it feel to be right all the time? - Terrible." (Mr Monk)

[Arrgh]

On 6-Jan-08, at 5:07 AM, Carsten Saager wrote:

Someone name Arrgh created a Frappr map http://www.frappr.com/scala - if everyone here adds himself we get a proper visualization how the scala grup is distributed

That would be me... If anything is excessively annoying let me know, and if it's possible given Frappr's limited feature set I can try to address it. :)

-0xe1a

[sanity]

Obviously it needs to be in Austin, Texas, this being closest to the
US center of gravity :-)

Ian.

--
Email: ian.clarke@...
Cell: [phone]
AIM: ian.clarke@...
Skype: sanity

[olambo]

Unfortunately, I don't think there are quite enough of us around  
Sydney for a Scala Users Group. What would you call that anyway, SUG,  
ScalliUG?


On 06/01/2008, at 2:30 PM, Andrew Foggin wrote:

> Eric Willigers wrote:
>> Oliver Lambert wrote:
>>> People on this list are from all over the world, not just the USA,  
>>> but I would think that many of the "super scala brains" that you  
>>> are perhaps referring to are currently in Europe. I can't see this  
>>> working - or perhaps you could charter a few jets ; )
>>> Personally, I can't afford to come to San Francisco and I imagine  
>>> lots more would be on the same boat.
>>
>> Hi Oliver,
>>
>> I'm a neighbour (living in Wollongong). There are a few more of us  
>> from the wider Asia-Pacific:-
>>
>> Australia (NSW, Queensland, Victoria)
>> China
>> Japan
>> New Zealand
>> Singapore
>> (apologies if I missed any)
>>
>
> You can add Perth, Western Australia.  Unfortunately for me there's  
> a good reason why it's sometimes called the most isolated capital in  
> the world :-\

At least WA doesn't sometimes get forgotten on the Oz map, like  
Tasmania.
I think it is the most isolated capital in the world - still we like  
WA because the mining boom makes us lots of money.

>
>
> --Andrew
>>
>> If or when others come out to this region for a conference or the  
>> like (ideally with lots of notice), we should hold something.
>>
>> Eric.
>>
>>
>

[tmorris]

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I'm in Brisbane. I'd travel to Sydney for something worthwhile.

Tony Morris
http://tmorris.net/



Oliver Lambert wrote:

> Unfortunately, I don't think there are quite enough of us around Sydney
> for a Scala Users Group. What would you call that anyway, SUG, ScalliUG?
>
>
> On 06/01/2008, at 2:30 PM, Andrew Foggin wrote:
>
>> Eric Willigers wrote:
>>> Oliver Lambert wrote:
>>>> People on this list are from all over the world, not just the USA,
>>>> but I would think that many of the "super scala brains" that you are
>>>> perhaps referring to are currently in Europe. I can't see this
>>>> working - or perhaps you could charter a few jets ; )
>>>> Personally, I can't afford to come to San Francisco and I imagine
>>>> lots more would be on the same boat.
>>>
>>> Hi Oliver,
>>>
>>> I'm a neighbour (living in Wollongong). There are a few more of us
>>> from the wider Asia-Pacific:-
>>>
>>> Australia (NSW, Queensland, Victoria)
>>> China
>>> Japan
>>> New Zealand
>>> Singapore
>>> (apologies if I missed any)
>>>
>>
>> You can add Perth, Western Australia.  Unfortunately for me there's a
>> good reason why it's sometimes called the most isolated capital in the
>> world :-\
>
> At least WA doesn't sometimes get forgotten on the Oz map, like Tasmania.
> I think it is the most isolated capital in the world - still we like WA
> because the mining boom makes us lots of money.
>
>>
>>
>> --Andrew
>>>
>>> If or when others come out to this region for a conference or the
>>> like (ideally with lots of notice), we should hold something.
>>>
>>> Eric.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>

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[Viktor Klang]

On 1/7/08, Oliver Lambert <olambo@...> wrote:

Unfortunately, I don't think there are quite enough of us around
Sydney for a Scala Users Group. What would you call that anyway, SUG,
ScalliUG?

 

SUG means "suck" in Swedish (no joke!)

 

-Viktor

 

On 06/01/2008, at 2:30 PM, Andrew Foggin wrote:

> Eric Willigers wrote:
>> Oliver Lambert wrote:
>>> People on this list are from all over the world, not just the USA,
>>> but I would think that many of the "super scala brains" that you
>>> are perhaps referring to are currently in Europe. I can't see this
>>> working - or perhaps you could charter a few jets ; )
>>> Personally, I can't afford to come to San Francisco and I imagine
>>> lots more would be on the same boat.
>>
>> Hi Oliver,
>>
>> I'm a neighbour (living in Wollongong). There are a few more of us
>> from the wider Asia-Pacific:-
>>
>> Australia (NSW, Queensland, Victoria)
>> China
>> Japan
>> New Zealand
>> Singapore
>> (apologies if I missed any)
>>
>
> You can add Perth, Western Australia.  Unfortunately for me there's
> a good reason why it's sometimes called the most isolated capital in
> the world :-\

At least WA doesn't sometimes get forgotten on the Oz map, like
Tasmania.
I think it is the most isolated capital in the world - still we like
WA because the mining boom makes us lots of money.

>
>
> --Andrew
>>
>> If or when others come out to this region for a conference or the
>> like (ideally with lots of notice), we should hold something.
>>
>> Eric.
>>
>>
>

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[olambo]

Victor, even when you don't joke, I laugh. What does ScUG mean in Swedish.

On 07/01/2008, at 7:32 PM, Viktor Klang wrote:

On 1/7/08, Oliver Lambert <olambo@...> wrote:

Unfortunately, I don't think there are quite enough of us around
Sydney for a Scala Users Group. What would you call that anyway, SUG,
ScalliUG?

 

SUG means "suck" in Swedish (no joke!)

 

-Viktor

 

On 06/01/2008, at 2:30 PM, Andrew Foggin wrote:

> Eric Willigers wrote:
>> Oliver Lambert wrote:
>>> People on this list are from all over the world, not just the USA,
>>> but I would think that many of the "super scala brains" that you
>>> are perhaps referring to are currently in Europe. I can't see this
>>> working - or perhaps you could charter a few jets ; )
>>> Personally, I can't afford to come to San Francisco and I imagine
>>> lots more would be on the same boat.
>>
>> Hi Oliver,
>>
>> I'm a neighbour (living in Wollongong). There are a few more of us
>> from the wider Asia-Pacific:-
>>
>> Australia (NSW, Queensland, Victoria)
>> China
>> Japan
>> New Zealand
>> Singapore
>> (apologies if I missed any)
>>
>
> You can add Perth, Western Australia.  Unfortunately for me there's
> a good reason why it's sometimes called the most isolated capital in
> the world :-\

At least WA doesn't sometimes get forgotten on the Oz map, like
Tasmania.
I think it is the most isolated capital in the world - still we like
WA because the mining boom makes us lots of money.

>
>
> --Andrew
>>
>> If or when others come out to this region for a conference or the
>> like (ideally with lots of notice), we should hold something.
>>
>> Eric.
>>
>>
>

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