.NET Reflector now belongs to Redgate

[Gabriel Schenker]

after years of development Lutz Roeder obviously abandons it's flag
ship an has given (sold?) it to Redgate.
Although Redgate has annouced to provide a free version also in the
future I fear that in the long run you will have to pay for the full
version of Reflector.
Do we have to say goodbye to another indispensable OSS tool? (see e.g.
what happened to NCover and Testdriven.Net)

[Aaron Erickson]

I sense an opportunity for an opportunist to step in and provide a
replacement OSS solution.

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Gabriel Schenker <gnschenker@...>wrote:

>   after years of development Lutz Roeder obviously abandons it's flag
> ship an has given (sold?) it to Redgate.
> Although Redgate has annouced to provide a free version also in the
> future I fear that in the long run you will have to pay for the full
> version of Reflector.
> Do we have to say goodbye to another indispensable OSS tool? (see e.g.
> what happened to NCover and Testdriven.Net)
>
>  
>

[sidarok]

Title made me to give blue screen for one second.

do you have news in some links ?

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Gabriel Schenker <gnschenker@...>wrote:

>   after years of development Lutz Roeder obviously abandons it's flag
> ship an has given (sold?) it to Redgate.
> Although Redgate has annouced to provide a free version also in the
> future I fear that in the long run you will have to pay for the full
> version of Reflector.
> Do we have to say goodbye to another indispensable OSS tool? (see e.g.
> what happened to NCover and Testdriven.Net)
>
>  
>

--
Sidar Ok
http://www.sidarok.com

[Geoff Taylor-3]

This is the main one, I suppose:
    http://blog.lutzroeder.com/2008/08/future-of-net-reflector.html

Geoff

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Sidar Ok <sidarok@...> wrote:

>  Title made me to give blue screen for one second.
>
> do you have news in some links ?
>
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Gabriel Schenker <gnschenker@...>wrote:
>
>>   after years of development Lutz Roeder obviously abandons it's flag
>> ship an has given (sold?) it to Redgate.
>> Although Redgate has annouced to provide a free version also in the
>> future I fear that in the long run you will have to pay for the full
>> version of Reflector.
>> Do we have to say goodbye to another indispensable OSS tool? (see e.g.
>> what happened to NCover and Testdriven.Net)
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Sidar Ok
> http://www.sidarok.com
>  
>

[SerialSeb]

Reflector has never been open source, neither has testdriven.net

I wish them well and hope they'll provide a commercial version, for example
letting you dynamically step through decompiled code. THat would be a real
time saver when dealing with unavailable code...

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Gabriel Schenker" <gnschenker@...>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 1:28 PM
To: <altdotnet@...>
Subject: [altdotnet] .NET Reflector now belongs to Redgate

> after years of development Lutz Roeder obviously abandons it's flag
> ship an has given (sold?) it to Redgate.
> Although Redgate has annouced to provide a free version also in the
> future I fear that in the long run you will have to pay for the full
> version of Reflector.
> Do we have to say goodbye to another indispensable OSS tool? (see e.g.
> what happened to NCover and Testdriven.Net)
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

[Robert Pickering]

Yep. don't quite know what to make of this one. Obviously Lutz Roeder
has put a lot of hard work into reflector, and has the right to do what
he wants with it. I hope Redgate paid him well for it. Redgate claim
there going to act responsible with it [1] but the licence they've
imposed makes me think otherwise [2]. I love clause 4.2:

4.2 Save as set out in this License, the Licensee has no right to use,
incorporate into other products, copy, publish, display, modify,
translate the Software or any modification, adaptation or copy of the
Software or any part thereof, nor to decompile, reverse engineer, or
disassemble the source code of the Software either in whole or in part,
except to the limited extent permitted by mandatory law notwithstanding
contractual prohibition.

Okay, so don't decompile the decompiler.

Anyone for starting an open source code browser? I'd love to, but not sure I have the stomach (or the time).

Cheers,

Robert

[1] http://www.simple-talk.com/opinion/opinion-pieces/the-future-of-reflector-/
[2] http://www.red-gate.com/products/reflector/license.htm

----------------------------------------
From: "Gabriel Schenker" <gnschenker@...>
Sent: 22 August 2008 00:31
To: altdotnet@...
Subject: [altdotnet] .NET Reflector now belongs to Redgate

after years of development Lutz Roeder obviously abandons it's flag

ship an has given (sold?) it to Redgate.

Although Redgate has annouced to provide a free version also in the

future I fear that in the long run you will have to pay for the full

version of Reflector.

Do we have to say goodbye to another indispensable OSS tool? (see e.g.

what happened to NCover and Testdriven.Net)

   

[Paul Batum]

I agree, this could easily work out to very good news. It would be awesome
to get a fully integrated reflector experience in Visual Studio. I would be
more than happy to pay money for that.

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Sebastien Lambla <seb@...> wrote:

>   Reflector has never been open source, neither has testdriven.net
>
> I wish them well and hope they'll provide a commercial version, for example
>
> letting you dynamically step through decompiled code. THat would be a real
> time saver when dealing with unavailable code...
>
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> From: "Gabriel Schenker" <gnschenker@... <gnschenker%40gmail.com>>
> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 1:28 PM
> To: <altdotnet@... <altdotnet%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Subject: [altdotnet] .NET Reflector now belongs to Redgate
>
> > after years of development Lutz Roeder obviously abandons it's flag
> > ship an has given (sold?) it to Redgate.
> > Although Redgate has annouced to provide a free version also in the
> > future I fear that in the long run you will have to pay for the full
> > version of Reflector.
> > Do we have to say goodbye to another indispensable OSS tool? (see e.g.
> > what happened to NCover and Testdriven.Net)
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>  
>

[bill barry]

I think it is more likely there will be integrated support with their
profiler.

Paul Batum wrote:

> I agree, this could easily work out to very good news. It would be
> awesome to get a fully integrated reflector experience in Visual
> Studio. I would be more than happy to pay money for that.
>
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Sebastien Lambla <seb@...
> <mailto:seb@...>> wrote:
>
>     Reflector has never been open source, neither has testdriven.net
>     <http://testdriven.net>
>
>     I wish them well and hope they'll provide a commercial version,
>     for example
>     letting you dynamically step through decompiled code. THat would
>     be a real
>     time saver when dealing with unavailable code...
>
>     --------------------------------------------------
>
>
>     From: "Gabriel Schenker" <gnschenker@...
>     <mailto:gnschenker%40gmail.com>>
>     Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 1:28 PM
>
>     To: <altdotnet@... <mailto:altdotnet%40yahoogroups.com>>
>     Subject: [altdotnet] .NET Reflector now belongs to Redgate
>
>     > after years of development Lutz Roeder obviously abandons it's flag
>     > ship an has given (sold?) it to Redgate.
>     > Although Redgate has annouced to provide a free version also in the
>     > future I fear that in the long run you will have to pay for the full
>     > version of Reflector.
>     > Do we have to say goodbye to another indispensable OSS tool?
>     (see e.g.
>     > what happened to NCover and Testdriven.Net)
>     >
>     >
>     > ------------------------------------
>     >
>     > Yahoo! Groups Links
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>
>
>  

[sidarok]

I would certainly be interested in starting an open source VS add-in that
has reflecting capabilities, it would provide more value than a stand alone
app. It would certainly be more difficult though.

It would also have been good if jetbrains bought it and integrated with
resharper :)

I think there is also Xenocode Fox (for commercial lovers), I know that you
can extract VS projects from dlls, but I haven't used it more than that.

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Bill Barry <after.fallout@...> wrote:

>    I think it is more likely there will be integrated support with their
> profiler.
>
> Paul Batum wrote:
>
> I agree, this could easily work out to very good news. It would be awesome
> to get a fully integrated reflector experience in Visual Studio. I would be
> more than happy to pay money for that.
>
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Sebastien Lambla <seb@...>wrote:
>
>>   Reflector has never been open source, neither has testdriven.net
>>
>> I wish them well and hope they'll provide a commercial version, for
>> example
>> letting you dynamically step through decompiled code. THat would be a real
>>
>> time saver when dealing with unavailable code...
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: "Gabriel Schenker" <gnschenker@... <gnschenker%40gmail.com>>
>>  Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 1:28 PM
>> To: <altdotnet@... <altdotnet%40yahoogroups.com>>
>> Subject: [altdotnet] .NET Reflector now belongs to Redgate
>>
>>  > after years of development Lutz Roeder obviously abandons it's flag
>> > ship an has given (sold?) it to Redgate.
>> > Although Redgate has annouced to provide a free version also in the
>> > future I fear that in the long run you will have to pay for the full
>> > version of Reflector.
>> > Do we have to say goodbye to another indispensable OSS tool? (see e.g.
>> > what happened to NCover and Testdriven.Net)
>> >
>> >
>>  > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>  
>

--
Sidar Ok
http://www.sidarok.com

[Gael Fraiteur]

You can make it one out of PostSharp, if you have the courage :).

You have a disassembler, an object model... you have to raise the
level of abstraction from MSIL to C#, i.e. you have to write the
decompiler.

And that's not simple. I think Lutz had to hardcode all patterns used
by well-known compilers...

-gael

--- In altdotnet@..., "Aaron Erickson"
<aaron.c.erickson@...> wrote:
>
> I sense an opportunity for an opportunist to step in and provide a
> replacement OSS solution.
>
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Gabriel Schenker
<gnschenker@...>wrote:
>
> >   after years of development Lutz Roeder obviously abandons it's
flag
> > ship an has given (sold?) it to Redgate.
> > Although Redgate has annouced to provide a free version also in
the
> > future I fear that in the long run you will have to pay for the
full
> > version of Reflector.
> > Do we have to say goodbye to another indispensable OSS tool? (see
e.g.
> > what happened to NCover and Testdriven.Net)
> >
> >  
> >
>

[Ayende Rahien-2]

There is Cecil Flow Analsys, which can help

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Gael Fraiteur <gael@...> wrote:

> You can make it one out of PostSharp, if you have the courage :).
>
> You have a disassembler, an object model... you have to raise the
> level of abstraction from MSIL to C#, i.e. you have to write the
> decompiler.
>
> And that's not simple. I think Lutz had to hardcode all patterns used
> by well-known compilers...
>
> -gael
>
> --- In altdotnet@..., "Aaron Erickson"
> <aaron.c.erickson@...> wrote:
> >
> > I sense an opportunity for an opportunist to step in and provide a
> > replacement OSS solution.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Gabriel Schenker
> <gnschenker@...>wrote:
> >
> > >   after years of development Lutz Roeder obviously abandons it's
> flag
> > > ship an has given (sold?) it to Redgate.
> > > Although Redgate has annouced to provide a free version also in
> the
> > > future I fear that in the long run you will have to pay for the
> full
> > > version of Reflector.
> > > Do we have to say goodbye to another indispensable OSS tool? (see
> e.g.
> > > what happened to NCover and Testdriven.Net)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

[bill barry]

I think it would be cool if you could add a dll to solution explorer and
then use it as if it was a project reference. Then when debugging you
could step into the reflected version of it. Class view would also
display the classes within it and when you open them up it would open
them as if they were source code. It could be so integrated we wouldn't
realize it is a separate product.
Sidar Ok wrote:

> I would certainly be interested in starting an open source VS add-in
> that has reflecting capabilities, it would provide more value than a
> stand alone app. It would certainly be more difficult though.
>
> It would also have been good if jetbrains bought it and integrated
> with resharper :)
>
> I think there is also Xenocode Fox (for commercial lovers), I know
> that you can extract VS projects from dlls, but I haven't used it more
> than that.
>
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Bill Barry <after.fallout@...
> <mailto:after.fallout@...>> wrote:
>
>     I think it is more likely there will be integrated support with
>     their profiler.
>
>
>     Paul Batum wrote:
>>     I agree, this could easily work out to very good news. It would
>>     be awesome to get a fully integrated reflector experience in
>>     Visual Studio. I would be more than happy to pay money for that.
>>
>>     On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Sebastien Lambla
>>     <seb@... <mailto:seb@...>> wrote:
>>
>>         Reflector has never been open source, neither has
>>         testdriven.net <http://testdriven.net>
>>
>>         I wish them well and hope they'll provide a commercial
>>         version, for example
>>         letting you dynamically step through decompiled code. THat
>>         would be a real
>>         time saver when dealing with unavailable code...
>>
>>         --------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>         From: "Gabriel Schenker" <gnschenker@...
>>         <mailto:gnschenker%40gmail.com>>
>>         Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 1:28 PM
>>
>>         To: <altdotnet@...
>>         <mailto:altdotnet%40yahoogroups.com>>
>>         Subject: [altdotnet] .NET Reflector now belongs to Redgate
>>
>>         > after years of development Lutz Roeder obviously abandons
>>         it's flag
>>         > ship an has given (sold?) it to Redgate.
>>         > Although Redgate has annouced to provide a free version
>>         also in the
>>         > future I fear that in the long run you will have to pay for
>>         the full
>>         > version of Reflector.
>>         > Do we have to say goodbye to another indispensable OSS
>>         tool? (see e.g.
>>         > what happened to NCover and Testdriven.Net)
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > ------------------------------------
>>         >
>>         > Yahoo! Groups Links
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sidar Ok
> http://www.sidarok.com
>  

[Tuna Toksoz]

Reflecting the reflector.

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Bill Barry <after.fallout@...> wrote:

>    I think it would be cool if you could add a dll to solution explorer
> and then use it as if it was a project reference. Then when debugging you
> could step into the reflected version of it. Class view would also display
> the classes within it and when you open them up it would open them as if
> they were source code. It could be so integrated we wouldn't realize it is a
> separate product.
> Sidar Ok wrote:
>
> I would certainly be interested in starting an open source VS add-in that
> has reflecting capabilities, it would provide more value than a stand alone
> app. It would certainly be more difficult though.
>
> It would also have been good if jetbrains bought it and integrated with
> resharper :)
>
> I think there is also Xenocode Fox (for commercial lovers), I know that you
> can extract VS projects from dlls, but I haven't used it more than that.
>
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Bill Barry <after.fallout@...>wrote:
>
>>   I think it is more likely there will be integrated support with their
>> profiler.
>>
>> Paul Batum wrote:
>>
>> I agree, this could easily work out to very good news. It would be awesome
>> to get a fully integrated reflector experience in Visual Studio. I would be
>> more than happy to pay money for that.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Sebastien Lambla <seb@...>wrote:
>>
>>>   Reflector has never been open source, neither has testdriven.net
>>>
>>> I wish them well and hope they'll provide a commercial version, for
>>> example
>>> letting you dynamically step through decompiled code. THat would be a
>>> real
>>> time saver when dealing with unavailable code...
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> From: "Gabriel Schenker" <gnschenker@... <gnschenker%40gmail.com>>
>>>  Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 1:28 PM
>>> To: <altdotnet@... <altdotnet%40yahoogroups.com>>
>>> Subject: [altdotnet] .NET Reflector now belongs to Redgate
>>>
>>>  > after years of development Lutz Roeder obviously abandons it's flag
>>> > ship an has given (sold?) it to Redgate.
>>> > Although Redgate has annouced to provide a free version also in the
>>> > future I fear that in the long run you will have to pay for the full
>>> > version of Reflector.
>>> > Do we have to say goodbye to another indispensable OSS tool? (see e.g.
>>> > what happened to NCover and Testdriven.Net)
>>> >
>>> >
>>>  > ------------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Sidar Ok
> http://www.sidarok.com
>
>
>  
>

--
Tuna Toksöz

Typos included to enhance the readers attention!

[Brad Wilson-2]

TestDriven.net was open source, back when it was called NUnitAddIn, but
Jamie closed the source when he changed the name.

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:50 AM, Sebastien Lambla <seb@...> wrote:

> Reflector has never been open source, neither has testdriven.net
>
> I wish them well and hope they'll provide a commercial version, for example
> letting you dynamically step through decompiled code. THat would be a real
> time saver when dealing with unavailable code...
>

[Charlie Poole]

Yes, if I were starting such a project, I'd build on Cecil.
 
Charlie


  _____  

From: altdotnet@... [mailto:altdotnet@...] On Behalf
Of Ayende Rahien
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:58 AM
To: altdotnet@...
Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [altdotnet] Re: .NET Reflector now belongs to Redgate


There is Cecil Flow Analsys, which can help


On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Gael Fraiteur <gael@...> wrote:


You can make it one out of PostSharp, if you have the courage :).

You have a disassembler, an object model... you have to raise the
level of abstraction from MSIL to C#, i.e. you have to write the
decompiler.

And that's not simple. I think Lutz had to hardcode all patterns used
by well-known compilers...

-gael

--- In altdotnet@..., "Aaron Erickson"

<aaron.c.erickson@...> wrote:
>
> I sense an opportunity for an opportunist to step in and provide a
> replacement OSS solution.
>
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Gabriel Schenker

<gnschenker@...>wrote:

>
> >   after years of development Lutz Roeder obviously abandons it's
flag
> > ship an has given (sold?) it to Redgate.
> > Although Redgate has annouced to provide a free version also in
the
> > future I fear that in the long run you will have to pay for the
full
> > version of Reflector.
> > Do we have to say goodbye to another indispensable OSS tool? (see
e.g.
> > what happened to NCover and Testdriven.Net)
> >
> >
> >
>




------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links








 

[Charlie Poole]

I presume everyone who is complaining has donated to Lutz for
his work on Reflector. ;-)

Charlie

> -----Original Message-----
> From: altdotnet@...
> [mailto:altdotnet@...] On Behalf Of Sebastien Lambla
> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 5:50 AM
> To: altdotnet@...
> Subject: Re: [altdotnet] .NET Reflector now belongs to Redgate
>
> Reflector has never been open source, neither has testdriven.net
>
> I wish them well and hope they'll provide a commercial
> version, for example letting you dynamically step through
> decompiled code. THat would be a real time saver when dealing
> with unavailable code...
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Gabriel Schenker" <gnschenker@...>
> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 1:28 PM
> To: <altdotnet@...>
> Subject: [altdotnet] .NET Reflector now belongs to Redgate
>
> > after years of development Lutz Roeder obviously abandons it's flag
> > ship an has given (sold?) it to Redgate.
> > Although Redgate has annouced to provide a free version also in the
> > future I fear that in the long run you will have to pay for
> the full
> > version of Reflector.
> > Do we have to say goodbye to another indispensable OSS
> tool? (see e.g.
> > what happened to NCover and Testdriven.Net)
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

[Gael Fraiteur]

Yes, it's the field on which PostSharp and Cecil are nearly
equivalent (competing?), Cecil with the advantage of *some* analysis.

Anyway - as long as Redgate makes it free, there is no market for
such a tool -- and even OSS needs a market.

It's amazing how Roeder managed to build a market on a tool that is
not only closed source, but with a license that automatically expires
after a number of days. It's unbelievable that he could have people
write plug-ins to that system...

(Unbelievable? The reason is just that the tool is... a goodie, not a
tool that you vitally need to build your software. If Redgate would
simply supress Reflector tomorrow, nothing would happen. Excepted
inconfort, maybe),

--- In altdotnet@..., "Charlie Poole" <charlie@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, if I were starting such a project, I'd build on Cecil.
>  
> Charlie
>
>
>   _____  
>
> From: altdotnet@... [mailto:altdotnet@...]
On Behalf
> Of Ayende Rahien
> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:58 AM
> To: altdotnet@...
> Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [altdotnet] Re: .NET Reflector now belongs
to Redgate

>
>
> There is Cecil Flow Analsys, which can help
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Gael Fraiteur <gael@...> wrote:
>
>
> You can make it one out of PostSharp, if you have the courage :).
>
> You have a disassembler, an object model... you have to raise the
> level of abstraction from MSIL to C#, i.e. you have to write the
> decompiler.
>
> And that's not simple. I think Lutz had to hardcode all patterns

used

> by well-known compilers...
>
> -gael
>
> --- In altdotnet@..., "Aaron Erickson"
>
> <aaron.c.erickson@> wrote:
> >
> > I sense an opportunity for an opportunist to step in and provide a
> > replacement OSS solution.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Gabriel Schenker
>
> <gnschenker@>wrote:
>
> >
> > >   after years of development Lutz Roeder obviously abandons it's
> flag
> > > ship an has given (sold?) it to Redgate.
> > > Although Redgate has annouced to provide a free version also in
> the
> > > future I fear that in the long run you will have to pay for the
> full
> > > version of Reflector.
> > > Do we have to say goodbye to another indispensable OSS tool?

(see

> e.g.
> > > what happened to NCover and Testdriven.Net)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

[Ayende Rahien-2]

you wouldn't believe how important Reflector is for my usual workflow

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Gael Fraiteur <gael@...> wrote:

> Yes, it's the field on which PostSharp and Cecil are nearly
> equivalent (competing?), Cecil with the advantage of *some* analysis.
>
> Anyway - as long as Redgate makes it free, there is no market for
> such a tool -- and even OSS needs a market.
>
> It's amazing how Roeder managed to build a market on a tool that is
> not only closed source, but with a license that automatically expires
> after a number of days. It's unbelievable that he could have people
> write plug-ins to that system...
>
> (Unbelievable? The reason is just that the tool is... a goodie, not a
> tool that you vitally need to build your software. If Redgate would
> simply supress Reflector tomorrow, nothing would happen. Excepted
> inconfort, maybe),
>
> --- In altdotnet@..., "Charlie Poole" <charlie@...> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, if I were starting such a project, I'd build on Cecil.
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> >
> >   _____
> >
> > From: altdotnet@... [mailto:altdotnet@...]
> On Behalf
> > Of Ayende Rahien
> > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:58 AM
> > To: altdotnet@...
> > Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [altdotnet] Re: .NET Reflector now belongs
> to Redgate
> >
> >
> > There is Cecil Flow Analsys, which can help
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Gael Fraiteur <gael@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > You can make it one out of PostSharp, if you have the courage :).
> >
> > You have a disassembler, an object model... you have to raise the
> > level of abstraction from MSIL to C#, i.e. you have to write the
> > decompiler.
> >
> > And that's not simple. I think Lutz had to hardcode all patterns
> used
> > by well-known compilers...
> >
> > -gael
> >
> > --- In altdotnet@..., "Aaron Erickson"
> >
> > <aaron.c.erickson@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I sense an opportunity for an opportunist to step in and provide a
> > > replacement OSS solution.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Gabriel Schenker
> >
> > <gnschenker@>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > >   after years of development Lutz Roeder obviously abandons it's
> > flag
> > > > ship an has given (sold?) it to Redgate.
> > > > Although Redgate has annouced to provide a free version also in
> > the
> > > > future I fear that in the long run you will have to pay for the
> > full
> > > > version of Reflector.
> > > > Do we have to say goodbye to another indispensable OSS tool?
> (see
> > e.g.
> > > > what happened to NCover and Testdriven.Net)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

[Brad Wilson-2]

It just goes to show that "free as in beer" is apparently much more
important than "free as in speech". :)

Mmmm, beer.

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Gael Fraiteur <gael@...> wrote:

> Yes, it's the field on which PostSharp and Cecil are nearly
> equivalent (competing?), Cecil with the advantage of *some* analysis.
>
> Anyway - as long as Redgate makes it free, there is no market for
> such a tool -- and even OSS needs a market.
>
> It's amazing how Roeder managed to build a market on a tool that is
> not only closed source, but with a license that automatically expires
> after a number of days. It's unbelievable that he could have people
> write plug-ins to that system...
>
> (Unbelievable? The reason is just that the tool is... a goodie, not a
> tool that you vitally need to build your software. If Redgate would
> simply supress Reflector tomorrow, nothing would happen. Excepted
> inconfort, maybe),
>

[sidarok]

+1 on that.

it is one of the 5 programs that has shortcuts on my desktop.

It is also vital for me to learn usage of a new library / framework.

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Ayende Rahien <Ayende@...> wrote:

>   you wouldn't believe how important Reflector is for my usual workflow
>
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Gael Fraiteur <gael@...> wrote:
>
>> Yes, it's the field on which PostSharp and Cecil are nearly
>> equivalent (competing?), Cecil with the advantage of *some* analysis.
>>
>> Anyway - as long as Redgate makes it free, there is no market for
>> such a tool -- and even OSS needs a market.
>>
>> It's amazing how Roeder managed to build a market on a tool that is
>> not only closed source, but with a license that automatically expires
>> after a number of days. It's unbelievable that he could have people
>> write plug-ins to that system...
>>
>> (Unbelievable? The reason is just that the tool is... a goodie, not a
>> tool that you vitally need to build your software. If Redgate would
>> simply supress Reflector tomorrow, nothing would happen. Excepted
>> inconfort, maybe),
>>
>> --- In altdotnet@..., "Charlie Poole" <charlie@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Yes, if I were starting such a project, I'd build on Cecil.
>> >
>> > Charlie
>> >
>> >
>> >   _____
>> >
>> > From: altdotnet@... [mailto:altdotnet@...]
>> On Behalf
>> > Of Ayende Rahien
>> > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:58 AM
>> > To: altdotnet@...
>> > Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [altdotnet] Re: .NET Reflector now belongs
>> to Redgate
>> >
>> >
>> > There is Cecil Flow Analsys, which can help
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Gael Fraiteur <gael@...> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > You can make it one out of PostSharp, if you have the courage :).
>> >
>> > You have a disassembler, an object model... you have to raise the
>> > level of abstraction from MSIL to C#, i.e. you have to write the
>> > decompiler.
>> >
>> > And that's not simple. I think Lutz had to hardcode all patterns
>> used
>> > by well-known compilers...
>> >
>> > -gael
>> >
>> > --- In altdotnet@..., "Aaron Erickson"
>> >
>> > <aaron.c.erickson@> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I sense an opportunity for an opportunist to step in and provide a
>> > > replacement OSS solution.
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Gabriel Schenker
>> >
>> > <gnschenker@>wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > >   after years of development Lutz Roeder obviously abandons it's
>> > flag
>> > > > ship an has given (sold?) it to Redgate.
>> > > > Although Redgate has annouced to provide a free version also in
>> > the
>> > > > future I fear that in the long run you will have to pay for the
>> > full
>> > > > version of Reflector.
>> > > > Do we have to say goodbye to another indispensable OSS tool?
>> (see
>> > e.g.
>> > > > what happened to NCover and Testdriven.Net)
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>  
>

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