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Dear Victor and Calendar People
My suggested calendar where most of the months have three days
and some have two days, could be realised by having a year of 366 dates, where
every 483rd date is omitted. The months would then have 3 dates.
This causes every 161st month to be short. This does not work with
Victor’s months of 1 or 2 days. One could time months alternating between
1 and 2 dates, so that only a 2-date month has a date omitted, but this would
produce three consecutive 1-day months, rather than two as in Victor’s
calendar.
One could instead have months alternating between 30 and 31
dates, in this cases a date would be omitted in months of either length, so
some months would have 29 days.
One can get an accurate lunar calendar cycle by omitting 11
dates every 703 dates from months of 30 dates.
I also note that the 482-day cycle of date omission in the solar
calendar is approximately one mean yerm long. So one could have a lunar
calendar where months alternate between 29 and 30 dates, except after
each omission of a date in the solar calendar when an additional month of 30
days is inserted. The mean lunar month would be (59*482)/(2*482-1) = 29.530633
days.
Also I invented a lunisolar calendar where each solar year has
372 dates, but a date is omitted at the end of each 29-day lunar month and
another date is omitted once every 13th lunar month. See http://www.hermetic.ch/cal_stud/palmen/lunar13.htm
.
Karl
10(03(13
From: East Carolina University Calendar
discussion List [mailto:CALNDR-L@...] On Behalf Of Engel,Victor
Sent: 08 January 2009 17:02
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Subject: Re: Phantom Day Ratios
Dear Karl and Calendar People,
My favorite calendar involving the number 161 is the one I
mentioned a few years ago that has alternating months of 1 and 2 days. This
pattern of alternating months repeats for 161 days, then starts over. Each year
has 244 months.
Karl then modified this calendar, making months generally twice as
long, having usually 3 days each, and occasionally 2.
These are discussed in the document http://the-light.com/cal/ve244.txt
Additionally, I came up with a lunisolar scheme of some sort.
I’ve lost my notes, so I’ll have to reconstruct it, unless someone
has a copy of the conversation where I mentioned it originally.
If you arrange the 1 and 2 day months described, above, into groups
of 20, you have what I’ll call now a standard lunation. A lunation
consists of 20 of these very short months.
The average length of a lunation with no adjustment, is 241/161*20
= 29.938 days. However, in http://the-light.com/cal/ve161m.txt
I show how the pattern can be shifted either every 3 or every 4 lunations to
get a better value for the mean lunation length. I don’t recall what the
pattern of shifts was. With some rough calculations, it looks like a shift
should occur approximately every 11/3 lunations.
I’ll see if I can find the original emails where I discussed
this.
I also crocheted a Metonic cycle using this scheme. See http://the-light.com/cal/vecrochet0.jpg
for an illustration. The crochet pattern consists of these 1 and 2 day months.
A 1 day month is simply a double crochet. A 2 day month is two double crochets
placed in the same spot, with the top loop being drawn through both stitches.
The color changes every 161 days. Each row is a new year, so the Metonic cycle
is given by 19 rows.
Victor
From: East Carolina University Calendar
discussion List [mailto:CALNDR-L@...] On Behalf Of Palmen,
KEV (Karl)
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:57 AM
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Subject: Re: Phantom Day Ratios
Dear Amos and Calendar People
Thank you Amos for giving this alternative, which I considered
for a later note.
In general the calendar will repeat in as many years as the
numerator of the ratio (e.g. 293 years for the 364 date example).
However, if the number of dates per year has a common divisor
with this numerator, the numerator divided by this common divisor would give
the number of years. This happens in Amos’s example of 483 for 366 dates,
which repeats once every 161 years and was first mentioned by Victor.
Amos has not considered any fractional approximations. Here are
some:
366
482.977 483.105 483(365.242236)
367 208.784 208.807 209(365.244019) 208.8(365.242337)
368 133.440 133.449 133(365.233083) 400/3(365.24) 1201/9(365.242298)
369 98.196 98.201 98(365.234694) 98.2(365.2423625)
370 77.767 77.770 78(365.256410) 700/9(365.242857)
311/4(365.241158) 1011/13(365.242334)
Karl
10(04(12
From: East Carolina University Calendar
discussion List [mailto:CALNDR-L@...] On Behalf Of Amos
Shapir
Sent: 08 January 2009 15:31
To: CALNDR-L@...
Subject: Re: Phantom Day Ratios
How about the opposite type of solar
calendars, those which have more dates in a year than days? (I can think
of useful calendars of at least 366 and 368 dates schemes). Then, instead
of "phantom days" which are date-less days, we'd have "phantom
dates", which are day-less dates; that is, a date is skipped every N days.
Using the same method, I get the results:
366 482.977
483.105 483(365.242236)
367 208.784 208.807 209(365.244019)
368 133.440 133.449 133(365.233083)
369 98.196 98.201 98(365.234694)
370 77.767 77.770 78(365.256410)
Amos Shapir
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:10:53 +0000
From: karl.palmen@...
Subject: Phantom Day Ratios
To: CALNDR-L@...
Dear
Calendar People
There
have been on this list a few examples of a solar calendar where a year has a
fixed number of ordinary days between which are occasionally inserted a phantom
day.
Here
I have a table that shows the ratio of ordinary days to phantom days for
various numbers of ordinary days per year (column 1) for a mean year of
365.2422 days (column 2) and a mean year of 365.2424 days (column 3). You can
get the ratio of days to phantom days by adding one to the ratio of ordinary days
to phantom days.
Subsequent
columns have a suggested approximation of the ratio followed by the resulting mean
year in
days
enclosed in().
365
1507.019 1505.776 1507 (365.242203) 1506 (365.242364)
364
293.028 292.981 293 (365.242321)
363 161.895
161.880
162 (365.240740) 1457/9 (365.242278)
362 111.653
111.646 335/3 (365.241791)
361 85.097
85.093
85.1 (365.242068) 936/11 (365.242521)
360
68.673 68.671 206/3 (365.242718)
Karl
10(04(12
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