2.6.31 kernels

[dovidhalevi]

Are these going to be "released" to SId?

Repos still list rc6-experimental. I have seen references to 2.6.31.4 !


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[Tim Tebbit]

David Baron wrote:
> Are these going to be "released" to SId?
>
> Repos still list rc6-experimental. I have seen references to 2.6.31.4 !
>
>

I don't pay close attention to what is in the repos, but I don't recall
seeing an odd numbered packaged by the Debian kernel team. I could be
wrong though. The references to 2.6.31.4 are referring to the current
stable linux kernel available at http://www.kernel.org/ . The latest
message I read from the Kernel Team indicated 2.6.32 would be included
in Squeeze.¹ So obviously Sid will see that before it enters Squeeze.

Compiling your own is not very difficult.² Have a look at the package
'kernel-package' and read over it's documentation. Of course google
seems to know everything.

¹ http://lwn.net/Articles/357623/
² http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html


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[Nate Bargmann-4]

2.6.29 was in Sid for a while earlier this year.  Obviously the kernel
team has their reasons why the 2.6.31 kernel isn't in Sid ATM, but I
doubt the "31" of the current stable version is the reason.

Under the old kernel development method prior to the 2.6 series the
so-called "odd" kernels (1.1, 1.3, 2.1, 2.3, and 2.5) were not routinely
included in Debian as a stable candidate.  The third set of digits
(0-xx) don't have a bearing on Debian inclusion beyond simple
suitability for use/bugs, etc.  At least that's how I understand it.

- Nate >>

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[dovidhalevi]

On Thursday 22 October 2009 19:23:39 debian-user-digest-
request@... wrote:

> > Are these going to be "released" to SId?
> >
> > Repos still list rc6-experimental. I have seen references to 2.6.31.4 !
> >
> >
>
> I don't pay close attention to what is in the repos, but I don't recall
> seeing an odd numbered packaged by the Debian kernel team. I could be
> wrong though. The references to 2.6.31.4 are referring to the current
> stable linux kernel available at http://www.kernel.org/ . The latest
> message I read from the Kernel Team indicated 2.6.32 would be included
> in Squeeze.¹ So obviously Sid will see that before it enters Squeeze.
>
> Compiling your own is not very difficult.² Have a look at the package
> 'kernel-package' and read over it's documentation. Of course google
> seems to know everything.
>

There are 2.6.32-rc's around as well, but not on Debian.
Why should there not be current stable kernel version on Debian?

I always compile my own. Question is that if Debian is keeping it back, is it
safe.

Another question--what do you do with kbuild packages? I have those for the
2.6.31.4 with rt patch 14 as well which I do want.


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[Dave Witbrodt]

David Baron wrote:
> There are 2.6.32-rc's around as well, but not on Debian.
> Why should there not be current stable kernel version on Debian?
>
> I always compile my own. Question is that if Debian is keeping it back, is it
> safe.

Version 2.6.31 is available in "experimental".  You can use
'kernel-package' with Debian kernel sources from "unstable" or
"experimental", or even with upstream source from tarballs or git.

My impression is that the kernel team considers 2.6.31 to have been a
bit buggier than usual, but they are feeling better about 2.6.32 and
plan to use it for Squeeze (when released).

I was using the kernel team's test-package server, kernel-archive
.buildserver.net, but that machine bit the dust with no known ETA for
restoring it to life.  I have since moved on to keeping my own upstream
git repository and building test kernels from there.


Dave W.


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[deloptes]

Dave Witbrodt wrote:

> My impression is that the kernel team considers 2.6.31 to have been a
> bit buggier than usual, but they are feeling better about 2.6.32 and
> plan to use it for Squeeze (when released).
>

I've just compiled and installed .31.5 (from kernel.org) and it seems my
notebook likes it.

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[Stan Hoeppner]

Emanoil Kotsev put forth on 11/2/2009 3:48 PM:
> Dave Witbrodt wrote:
>
>> My impression is that the kernel team considers 2.6.31 to have been a
>> bit buggier than usual, but they are feeling better about 2.6.32 and
>> plan to use it for Squeeze (when released).
>>
>
> I've just compiled and installed .31.5 (from kernel.org) and it seems my
> notebook likes it.

Running a customized (stripped) little 2.6.31.1 from kernel.org under
Lenny since Oct 3, on an old dual 550MHz i440BX board.  Fairly stripped
down install running a Postfix mail firewall and Lighty.  Been running
great, no issues.  I've probably got everything stripped out that was on
the kernel team's "buggy" list. ;)  My vmlinuz is only 1.1MB and all my
drivers (two--disk and NIC) are compiled in.  I actually went so far as
to strip module support completely out of the kernel.  No initramfs, no
this, no that.  Pretty lean and mean kernel.

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[deloptes]

Stan Hoeppner wrote:

>
> Running a customized (stripped) little 2.6.31.1 from kernel.org under
> Lenny since Oct 3, on an old dual 550MHz i440BX board.  Fairly stripped
> down install running a Postfix mail firewall and Lighty.  Been running
> great, no issues.  I've probably got everything stripped out that was on
> the kernel team's "buggy" list. ;)  My vmlinuz is only 1.1MB and all my
> drivers (two--disk and NIC) are compiled in.  I actually went so far as
> to strip module support completely out of the kernel.  No initramfs, no
> this, no that.  Pretty lean and mean kernel.
>
> --
> Stan

sounds cute.

In fact I'm using the code from kernel org most of the time, because of the
exact same reason. Except stripping off a lot of code you don't need you
can optimize (fine tune) specifically for the machine you are using.

But back to the topic. The 2.6.30 line was really buggy :-) at least for me.
But this (2.6.31.5) seems to be useful.

I'm using it on a notebook Dell D520 (lenny).

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[Alex Samad]

On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 11:29:54PM +0100, Emanoil Kotsev wrote:

> Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>
> >
> > Running a customized (stripped) little 2.6.31.1 from kernel.org under
> > Lenny since Oct 3, on an old dual 550MHz i440BX board.  Fairly stripped
> > down install running a Postfix mail firewall and Lighty.  Been running
> > great, no issues.  I've probably got everything stripped out that was on
> > the kernel team's "buggy" list. ;)  My vmlinuz is only 1.1MB and all my
> > drivers (two--disk and NIC) are compiled in.  I actually went so far as
> > to strip module support completely out of the kernel.  No initramfs, no
> > this, no that.  Pretty lean and mean kernel.
> >
> > --
> > Stan
>
> sounds cute.
>
> In fact I'm using the code from kernel org most of the time, because of the
> exact same reason. Except stripping off a lot of code you don't need you
> can optimize (fine tune) specifically for the machine you are using.
>
> But back to the topic. The 2.6.30 line was really buggy :-) at least for me.
> But this (2.6.31.5) seems to be useful.

isn't there some issue with the broadcom-sta drivers and .31 ?

>
> I'm using it on a notebook Dell D520 (lenny).
>
> regards
>
>

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[Colin-30]

Alex Samad wrote:
> isn't there some issue with the broadcom-sta drivers and .31 ?
>

The broadcom-sta source code that was included in non-free Debian would
no longer compile with kernel 2.6.31.  That's why they've been working
on the b43 driver extensively in the 2.6.32 kernel so the broadcom-sta
driver will no longer be necessary.


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[Γιώργος Πάλλας]

Colin wrote:

> Alex Samad wrote:
>> isn't there some issue with the broadcom-sta drivers and .31 ?
>>
>
> The broadcom-sta source code that was included in non-free Debian
> would no longer compile with kernel 2.6.31.  That's why they've been
> working on the b43 driver extensively in the 2.6.32 kernel so the
> broadcom-sta driver will no longer be necessary.
>
>

So, if I understand correctly, I should not upgrade to 2.6.31 stock
kernel, when that is released for testing, right?

Giorgos

[Alex Samad]

On Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 07:53:15PM -0500, Colin wrote:
> Alex Samad wrote:
> >isn't there some issue with the broadcom-sta drivers and .31 ?
> >
>
> The broadcom-sta source code that was included in non-free Debian
> would no longer compile with kernel 2.6.31.  That's why they've been
> working on the b43 driver extensively in the 2.6.32 kernel so the
> broadcom-sta driver will no longer be necessary.
any idea what the status is

>
>

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[Colin-30]

Γιώργος Πάλλας wrote:
>
> So, if I understand correctly, I should not upgrade to 2.6.31 stock
> kernel, when that is released for testing, right?
>

 From what I heard, there won't be a 2.6.31 for testing, only a 2.6.32
when it's ready.


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[Colin-30]

Alex Samad wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 07:53:15PM -0500, Colin wrote:
>> The broadcom-sta source code that was included in non-free Debian
>> would no longer compile with kernel 2.6.31.  That's why they've been
>> working on the b43 driver extensively in the 2.6.32 kernel so the
>> broadcom-sta driver will no longer be necessary.
 >
> any idea what the status is

I've tried 2.6.32-rc5 on my HP Mini 1033cl and it's not working reliably
yet.  I get a bunch of DMA errors in the system log whenever I try and
use it.  I've just downloaded 2.6.32-rc6 and going to give that a whirl.


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[deloptes]

Colin wrote:

> Alex Samad wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 07:53:15PM -0500, Colin wrote:
>>> The broadcom-sta source code that was included in non-free Debian
>>> would no longer compile with kernel 2.6.31.  That's why they've been
>>> working on the b43 driver extensively in the 2.6.32 kernel so the
>>> broadcom-sta driver will no longer be necessary.
>  >
>> any idea what the status is
>
> I've tried 2.6.32-rc5 on my HP Mini 1033cl and it's not working reliably
> yet.  I get a bunch of DMA errors in the system log whenever I try and
> use it.  I've just downloaded 2.6.32-rc6 and going to give that a whirl.

lspci | grep Broadcom
02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX (rev
02)

uname -a
Linux maistor 2.6.31.5eko2 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Oct 31 11:26:30 CET 2009 i686
GNU/Linux

Don't know if it's the card in question.

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[Colin-30]

Emanoil Kotsev wrote:

> Colin wrote:
>> I've tried 2.6.32-rc5 on my HP Mini 1033cl and it's not working reliably
>> yet.  I get a bunch of DMA errors in the system log whenever I try and
>> use it.  I've just downloaded 2.6.32-rc6 and going to give that a whirl.
>
> lspci | grep Broadcom
> 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX (rev
> 02)
>
> uname -a
> Linux maistor 2.6.31.5eko2 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Oct 31 11:26:30 CET 2009 i686
> GNU/Linux
>
> Don't know if it's the card in question.

Nope, that's a wired card.  Mine is the 4312.  I get a connection with
the rc6 kernel but the encryption is not kicking in.  I'll have to
investigate further a bit later.


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2009/11/6 Colin <cwvca_SPAMNOT@...>:

> Emanoil Kotsev wrote:
>>
>> Colin wrote:
>>>
>>> I've tried 2.6.32-rc5 on my HP Mini 1033cl and it's not working reliably
>>> yet.  I get a bunch of DMA errors in the system log whenever I try and
>>> use it.  I've just downloaded 2.6.32-rc6 and going to give that a whirl.
>>
>> lspci | grep Broadcom
>> 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX
>> (rev
>> 02)
>>
>> uname -a
>> Linux maistor 2.6.31.5eko2 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Oct 31 11:26:30 CET 2009
>> i686
>> GNU/Linux
>>
>> Don't know if it's the card in question.
>
> Nope, that's a wired card.  Mine is the 4312.  I get a connection with the
> rc6 kernel but the encryption is not kicking in.  I'll have to investigate
> further a bit later.

I have a 4312 myself. Only way I can use the card is via the hybrid wl
driver found here:
http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php

Unfortunately, it's not free. It works, though...

Cassiano


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[Colin-30]

Cassiano Leal wrote:

> I have a 4312 myself. Only way I can use the card is via the hybrid wl
> driver found here:
> http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php
>
> Unfortunately, it's not free. It works, though...

That's what the broadcom-sta package worked with and it worked fine for
me too.  Unfortunately, that package is no longer available in the
distribution.


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[Alex Samad]

On Sat, Nov 07, 2009 at 04:46:52PM -0500, Colin wrote:

> Cassiano Leal wrote:
>
> >I have a 4312 myself. Only way I can use the card is via the hybrid wl
> >driver found here:
> >http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php
> >
> >Unfortunately, it's not free. It works, though...
>
> That's what the broadcom-sta package worked with and it worked fine
> for me too.  Unfortunately, that package is no longer available in
> the distribution.

why are the maintaners so fast in dropping things like this, I rely upon
this, and b43 is supporting my wifi card yet

>
>

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2009/11/7 Alex Samad <alex@...>:

> On Sat, Nov 07, 2009 at 04:46:52PM -0500, Colin wrote:
>> Cassiano Leal wrote:
>>
>> >I have a 4312 myself. Only way I can use the card is via the hybrid wl
>> >driver found here:
>> >http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php
>> >
>> >Unfortunately, it's not free. It works, though...
>>
>> That's what the broadcom-sta package worked with and it worked fine
>> for me too.  Unfortunately, that package is no longer available in
>> the distribution.
>
> why are the maintaners so fast in dropping things like this, I rely upon
> this, and b43 is supporting my wifi card yet

And here's the wiki page explaining the whole process. It's quite
simple and quick to follow through.

http://wiki.debian.org/wl

Hope that helps.

Cassiano


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