2012 Calendar Reform Questionaire ([e-mail])

[RDoug]

"Sonny Pondom" wrote: > Click to Open...

Sorry, I have no interest in taking this discussion off of the Calendar List and onto Google Docs.  Besides, they want me to log in with a different user name and password, and I am not going to do that.

-- RDoug

[Tom Peters-6]

Op 14 jan 2012, om 01:40 heeft Sonny Pondrom het volgende geschreven:

> On Jan 13, 2012, at 3:45 PM, RDoug wrote:
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> "Sonny Pondom" wrote: > Click to Open...
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> RDoug wrote:
> Sorry, I have no interest in taking this discussion off of the Calendar List and onto Google Docs.  
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> Sonny's reply:
> The discussion is not being taken off the Calendar List.  Google Docs has an application that allows us to survey everyone on the list with a little work, summaries the results in a spreadsheet and automatically generates plots of the results.  Questions can have simple or multiple responses and well as an option to add comments if you don't agree with the possible answers.
> Since this will allow us to see which calendar characteristics are important to our members, I believe it will be worth the effort.

Hear, hear.  A mailing list is a lousy way to get an inventory of everybody's opinion.  We've had these boundless discussions without a consensus so many times.  After all these years I believe that there are no more ideas that no-one hasn't proposed before and that there is no perfect solution for a calendar reform.  A survey like this makes a better chance to see what people think about the options that we have, and what balanced compromise between pro's and con's might be a winner.

I took the liberty to add columns "Contributor" and "Comments".

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Tom Peters

[Amos Shapir-2]

In all the debate about calendar reform, it seems that one important
point has not been mentioned: There are many people (like me) who have
to cope with keeping their holidays by a different calendar than the
common business one; any reform of the Gregorian calendar would add
most Christians (mainly Catholic, but also most Protestant churches)
to this group.  This is still the most influential religious group in
the world, certainly in the "Western" world.  These people will have
to adjust to living by a dual calendar, just like the rest of the
world, who already do it.

[Peter Zilahy Ingerman, PhD]

I did not answer the survey because I think that the questions asked are fundamentally irrelevant. Please consider this my response.

Pzed

On 2012-01-18 13:17, Sonny Pondrom wrote:

 

Dear Calendar Reformers,

Only a few people have responded to the survey.  Would like to answer these questions?

I think at least half of the members should respond before the results are given.  

If you have not taken it, but deleted your previous invitation, I think you can find the survey here.  

Sonny Pondrom

sonny@...

2012-01-3-3

"YYYY-MM-W-D"

[Peace Crusader]

20120119.0655

Dear Amos and Calendar People,

I agree that “these people will have to adjust to living a dual calendar, just like the rest of the world, who already do it.”  The present defacto official standard calendar of the world is the Gregorian calendar.  This Gregorian calendar is one of the dual calendars.  The other calendar is the person’s religious calendar.  Bear in mind that what we propose to reform is the Gregorian calendar and not the other calendar.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo of the Holy Spirit
Motto: pro aris et focis (for the sake of, or defense of, religion and home)
http://aristean.org/ and http://peacecrusader.wordpress.com/
"The Internet is mightier than the sword."

From: Amos Shapir <amos083@...>
To: CALNDR-L@...
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: 2012 Calendar Reform Questionaire (CALNDR-L@...)

In all the debate about calendar reform, it seems that one important
point has not been mentioned: There are many people (like me) who have
to cope with keeping their holidays by a different calendar than the
common business one; any reform of the Gregorian calendar would add
most Christians (mainly Catholic, but also most Protestant churches)
to this group.  This is still the most influential religious group in
the world, certainly in the "Western" world.  These people will have
to adjust to living by a dual calendar, just like the rest of the
world, who already do it.

[Karl Palmen]

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Dear Sonny and Calendar People

 

The link does not work for me.

 

Here are my answers

Q-1 It must use the 7-day week to be perpetual in practice. Such a perpetual calendar must be a leap week calendar.

Q-4 This question only makes sense if the calendar is perpetual and then means what day of the week should each year begin. I don’t mind, it could be Sunday, Monday or Saturday.

Q-6 I think this means should the quarters of a year have a whole number of months? I don’t mind. It is really part of Q-5.

Q-7 For a leap-day calendar, I see no compelling reason not the stay with the Gregorian rule.  If the calendar is perpetual, it needs to be a leap week calendar and there are numerous possibility for a leap year rule for this, including the years with 53 ISO weeks.

Q-3 This is really part of Q-7 because it is the leap year rule that determines the jitter. My answer is yes, unless a big gain of simplicity of the leap year rule is obtained without too big an increase in jitter.

Q-5 I don’t mind. May be no  months at all, just weeks and quarters.

Q-2 No. If too few changes are made, the improvement will be too small to be worth the effort of making any change.

 

Comments:

The new calendar should be capable of running alongside the existing calendar and be ready for use today. The dates in the new calendar must look different from the dates in the existing calendar so they are not confused with each other. The new calendar should be applicable to days in the past, so one can work out dates for birthdays and anniversaries and for use in history.

 

I do not agree with the idea of gradually changing the existing calendar to the new one by removing leap days from a number of years (or any other small change).

It would cause birthdays and anniversaries to be celebrated at the wrong time of year. This is especially problematic for 18^th or 21^st birthdays and also in reckoning prison sentences.

Also it would complicate conversions to/from other calendars or the reckoning of astronomical events.

 

Remember the change from Julian to Gregorian calendar was first made by skipping 10 days in one go and not by removing 10 leap days.

Also the Gregorian calendar coexisted with the Julian Calendar for hundreds of years.

Sweden abandoned a gradual change from Julian to Gregorian calendar.

 

Instead why not use the new calendar today?

 

Karl

 

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From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List [mailto:CALNDR-L@...] On Behalf Of Sonny Pondrom
Sent: 18 January 2012 18:17
To: CALNDR-L@...
Subject: Fwd: 2012 Calendar Reform Questionaire (CALNDR-L@...)

 

 

Dear Calendar Reformers,

Only a few people have responded to the survey.  Would like to answer these questions?

I think at least half of the members should respond before the results are given.  

If you have not taken it, but deleted your previous invitation, I think you can find the survey here.  

 

 

 

Sonny Pondrom

sonny@...

2012-01-3-3

"YYYY-MM-W-D"

 

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