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[Grant Edwards-6]

On 2009-07-15, Chris G <cl@...> wrote:

> I have tweakui and "focus follows mouse" but I've never
> managed to disable "raise on click".

Hmm.  I'll have to double-check that next time I boot windows.
I'm pretty sure I got that working "right" -- though after I
got Cygwin's ssh server running, I often just ssh in to my
Windows box anyway.

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[Grant Edwards-6]

On 2009-07-13, Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@...> wrote:

> Can anybody could recommend other window managers that work
> well with XFCE desktop and panel?

I've been trying out openbox, and it works quite nicely so far.
Despite the claims for being ultra-lightweight, its footprint
(on my system) is probably a bit larger than xfwm4:

      PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
   
   
    17643 grante    20   0  9028 5384 3964 S  0.0  0.3   0:00.50 openbox
    17644 grante    20   0  8680 5072 3936 S  0.0  0.2   0:00.04 openbox
   
    17784 grante    20   0 15240 8312 6992 S  0.0  0.4   0:00.16 xfwm4
   
Since I have two displays, I have to run two instances of
openbox.  Since only one instanc of xfwm4 is required, it ends
up using a couple MB less total memory.  I think.  It sort of
depends on how much of the openbox shared space is actually
shared with other non-openbox applications, and how much of the
resident space is in fact shared with other apps (since what
one cares more about resident size).

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[Chris G-6]

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:14:46PM +0000, Grant Edwards wrote:

> On 2009-07-15, Chris G <cl@...> wrote:
>
> > I have tweakui and "focus follows mouse" but I've never
> > managed to disable "raise on click".
>
> Hmm.  I'll have to double-check that next time I boot windows.
> I'm pretty sure I got that working "right" -- though after I
> got Cygwin's ssh server running, I often just ssh in to my
> Windows box anyway.
>

I used to use cygwin many moons ago now but now I just have XP running
as a Virtualbox guest on my Linux box so I don't really feel the need
for Linux/Unix lookalike terminal windows in my XP.  :-)

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[Chris G-6]

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:39:18PM +0000, Grant Edwards wrote:

> On 2009-07-13, Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@...> wrote:
>
> > Can anybody could recommend other window managers that work
> > well with XFCE desktop and panel?
>
> I've been trying out openbox, and it works quite nicely so far.
> Despite the claims for being ultra-lightweight, its footprint
> (on my system) is probably a bit larger than xfwm4:
>
>       PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
>    
>    
>     17643 grante    20   0  9028 5384 3964 S  0.0  0.3   0:00.50 openbox
>     17644 grante    20   0  8680 5072 3936 S  0.0  0.2   0:00.04 openbox
>    
>     17784 grante    20   0 15240 8312 6992 S  0.0  0.4   0:00.16 xfwm4
>    
> Since I have two displays, I have to run two instances of
> openbox.  Since only one instanc of xfwm4 is required, it ends
> up using a couple MB less total memory.  I think.  It sort of
> depends on how much of the openbox shared space is actually
> shared with other non-openbox applications, and how much of the
> resident space is in fact shared with other apps (since what
> one cares more about resident size).
>

How does running openbox (or fvwm if it was me) with xfce differ from
running it with gnome?  ... and more to the point how do I set things
up to do one or the other?  If I just install (say) fvwm using apt-get
then I'll get a choice at login time of xfce *or* fvwm and if I select
fvwm I basically get a gnome system with fvwm as the window manager.

Is there a way to get an 'xfce' system with fvwm as window manager?
That would actually work well for me as then I can still (presumably)
use all the ready made xubuntu set-up/configuration tools but I can
arrange my desktops/windows using fvwm.

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[Chris G-6]

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 09:56:43AM +0100, Chris G wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:14:46PM +0000, Grant Edwards wrote:
> > On 2009-07-15, Chris G <cl@...> wrote:
> >
> > > I have tweakui and "focus follows mouse" but I've never
> > > managed to disable "raise on click".
> >
> > Hmm.  I'll have to double-check that next time I boot windows.
> > I'm pretty sure I got that working "right" -- though after I
> > got Cygwin's ssh server running, I often just ssh in to my
> > Windows box anyway.
> >
> I used to use cygwin many moons ago now but now I just have XP running

Where did that extra 'now' come from?  :-)

> as a Virtualbox guest on my Linux box so I don't really feel the need
> for Linux/Unix lookalike terminal windows in my XP.  :-)
>
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[Grant Edwards-6]

On 2009-07-16, Chris G <cl@...> wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:14:46PM +0000, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> On 2009-07-15, Chris G <cl@...> wrote:
>>
>> > I have tweakui and "focus follows mouse" but I've never
>> > managed to disable "raise on click".
>>
>> Hmm.  I'll have to double-check that next time I boot windows.
>> I'm pretty sure I got that working "right" -- though after I
>> got Cygwin's ssh server running, I often just ssh in to my
>> Windows box anyway.
>
> I used to use cygwin many moons ago now but now I just have XP
> running as a Virtualbox guest on my Linux box so I don't
> really feel the need for Linux/Unix lookalike terminal windows
> in my XP.  :-)

I find I prefer to use bash+Cygwin over Windows cmd.exe
regardless of the "hardware" upon which Windows is running.  I
even ssh into the Windows instance that I run on VMs.

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[Grant Edwards-6]

On 2009-07-16, Chris G <cl@...> wrote:

> How does running openbox (or fvwm if it was me) with xfce
> differ from running it with gnome?

I'm not exactly sure what you're asking.  

When you run openbox with xfce, you're replacing xfwm4 with
openbox.  You're still running xfce4-session, xfdesktop,
xfce4-panel, etc.  When you use openbox as the WM under gnome,
I presume (having never run gnome) there are other gnome
desktop environment components that are still being used.

> ... and more to the point how do I set things up to do one or
> the other?  If I just install (say) fvwm using apt-get then
> I'll get a choice at login time of xfce *or* fvwm and if I
> select fvwm I basically get a gnome system with fvwm as the
> window manager.

I don't use graphical logins, so I don't really know how that
works.

> Is there a way to get an 'xfce' system with fvwm as window
> manager?

I would guess you do it the same way you do for openbox: start
fvwm (passing it the option that tells it to replace the
existing wm).  Then exit xfce with the "save session" checkbox
enabled or tell xfsession via the command line to do save the
session and exit.

Here are a couple links on using openbox instead of xfwm4

  http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Help:XFCE/Openbox
  http://rubenerd.com/p1197/

I'm a bit puzzled as to why both of these links use the command

  killall xfwm4 ; openbox &

rather than

  openbox --replace

The "replace" option has been common for window managers for
ages hasn't it?
 
> That would actually work well for me as then I can still
> (presumably) use all the ready made xubuntu
> set-up/configuration tools but I can arrange my
> desktops/windows using fvwm.

I'm still using xfdesktop and xfce4-panel. [It sure would be
nice if xfce stuff was named consistently.] If you want fvwm to
handle things like paging and root menus, you'll need to shut
down xfdsktop and suchlike.

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[Chris G-6]

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 02:08:47PM +0000, Grant Edwards wrote:

> On 2009-07-16, Chris G <cl@...> wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:14:46PM +0000, Grant Edwards wrote:
> >> On 2009-07-15, Chris G <cl@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I have tweakui and "focus follows mouse" but I've never
> >> > managed to disable "raise on click".
> >>
> >> Hmm.  I'll have to double-check that next time I boot windows.
> >> I'm pretty sure I got that working "right" -- though after I
> >> got Cygwin's ssh server running, I often just ssh in to my
> >> Windows box anyway.
> >
> > I used to use cygwin many moons ago now but now I just have XP
> > running as a Virtualbox guest on my Linux box so I don't
> > really feel the need for Linux/Unix lookalike terminal windows
> > in my XP.  :-)
>
> I find I prefer to use bash+Cygwin over Windows cmd.exe
> regardless of the "hardware" upon which Windows is running.  I
> even ssh into the Windows instance that I run on VMs.
>

I do very little in my XP guest, just run my Nokia phone
synchronisation software and my Epson scanner software and that's it.
No real need for command line.

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[David Mohr-8]

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Chris G<cl@...> wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 02:08:47PM +0000, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> On 2009-07-16, Chris G <cl@...> wrote:
>> > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:14:46PM +0000, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> >> On 2009-07-15, Chris G <cl@...> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I have tweakui and "focus follows mouse" but I've never
>> >> > managed to disable "raise on click".
>> >>
>> >> Hmm.  I'll have to double-check that next time I boot windows.
>> >> I'm pretty sure I got that working "right" -- though after I
>> >> got Cygwin's ssh server running, I often just ssh in to my
>> >> Windows box anyway.
>> >
>> > I used to use cygwin many moons ago now but now I just have XP
>> > running as a Virtualbox guest on my Linux box so I don't
>> > really feel the need for Linux/Unix lookalike terminal windows
>> > in my XP.  :-)
>>
>> I find I prefer to use bash+Cygwin over Windows cmd.exe
>> regardless of the "hardware" upon which Windows is running.  I
>> even ssh into the Windows instance that I run on VMs.
>>
> I do very little in my XP guest, just run my Nokia phone
> synchronisation software and my Epson scanner software and that's it.
> No real need for command line.

Could you guys please stay a bit more on topic? Thanks!

~David
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