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4D Insider v2004 and an old structure
by George Tiller-2
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I'm currently bug-swatting in a 4D program that was originally created
(by my client himself) in 4D v1 or v2 (US version) and simply upgraded with each new 4D version. The previous version was v2003 and v6.x before that, and I'm trying to get it cleaned up by making variable names descriptive and consistent, fixing variable typing errors, etc. I've been using 4D Insider v2004 for a lot of the renaming, and it appears to be working ok. However, I've been seeing variables that should no longer exist still appearing in the 4D Insider variable list, even though no occurrences show in the left-hand list when I click on the var in the center list. Any suggestions for how a variable can exist in a structure without being referenced anywhere? George Tiller 911 East A Street Brunswick, Maryland 21716 ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: 4D Insider v2004 and an old structure
by Doug Hall-6
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On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:45 AM, George Tiller <gtiller_erols@...> wrote:
> I'm currently bug-swatting in a 4D program that was originally created > (by my client himself) in 4D v1 or v2 (US version) and simply upgraded > with each new 4D version. The previous version was v2003 and v6.x before > that, and I'm trying to get it cleaned up by making variable names > descriptive and consistent, fixing variable typing errors, etc. > > I've been using 4D Insider v2004 for a lot of the renaming, and it > appears to be working ok. However, I've been seeing variables that should > no longer exist still appearing in the 4D Insider variable list, even > though no occurrences show in the left-hand list when I click on the var > in the center list. > > Any suggestions for how a variable can exist in a structure without being > referenced anywhere? What if it's in a component or extension? I forgot what they were called before components came out, but I think they were called extensions. I'm not sure if Insider could access variables in extensions, but I'm pretty sure it will find them in components. If they're private components, it won't show you the contents. I'd run it against SanityCheck just in case some orphaned items are hanging around. (Back it up first, obviously.) Doug ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: 4D Insider v2004 and an old structure
by Douglas Davis-2
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Just "plug-in" any old name and we will understand what you are talking
about. Doug ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: 4D Insider v2004 and an old structure
by Doug Hall-6
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On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Douglas Davis <dsdavis@...> wrote:
> Just "plug-in" any old name and we will understand what you are talking > about. They may have been called plugins, I don't remember. But, unlike today's plugins, this was something you grafted into the structure file, like you can a component now. I think it involved using Resedit or Insider. It was probably compiled C code, so I doubt it would have variable names that Insider would detect. But I DO remember the headache of replacing them and having to remove them from an otherwise outdated structure file. Seems like it was around the time we went from 4D 6.0 to 6.5. George, if you're on a recent Mac and need to run those older copies of 4D/Resedit, etc., a copy of SheepShaver might come in handy. Doug ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: 4D Insider v2004 and an old structure
by Douglas von Roeder
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Those were "externals" and they were moved in and out of a structure using
External Mover. Sheesh guys, it hasn't been THAT long, has it? ;-) -- Douglas von Roeder #15826 On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Doug Hall <doughalldev@...> wrote: > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Douglas Davis <dsdavis@...> > wrote: > > Just "plug-in" any old name and we will understand what you are talking > > about. > > They may have been called plugins, I don't remember. But, unlike > today's plugins, this was something you grafted into the structure > file, like you can a component now. I think it involved using Resedit > or Insider. It was probably compiled C code, so I doubt it would have > variable names that Insider would detect. But I DO remember the > headache of replacing them and having to remove them from an otherwise > outdated structure file. Seems like it was around the time we went > from 4D 6.0 to 6.5. > > George, if you're on a recent Mac and need to run those older copies > of 4D/Resedit, etc., a copy of SheepShaver might come in handy. > > Doug > ********************************************************************** > Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL > before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com > > > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html > Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... > ********************************************************************** > Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: 4D Insider v2004 and an old structure
by Doug Cottrill
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Do you have any methods in the trash can that have not
yet been deleted? Variables and methods (and forms I think) will still register as being used, but no longer cross referenced. DKC >I'm currently bug-swatting in a 4D program that was originally created >(by my client himself) in 4D v1 or v2 (US version) and simply upgraded >with each new 4D version. The previous version was v2003 and v6.x before >that, and I'm trying to get it cleaned up by making variable names >descriptive and consistent, fixing variable typing errors, etc. > >I've been using 4D Insider v2004 for a lot of the renaming, and it >appears to be working ok. However, I've been seeing variables that should >no longer exist still appearing in the 4D Insider variable list, even >though no occurrences show in the left-hand list when I click on the var >in the center list. > >Any suggestions for how a variable can exist in a structure without being >referenced anywhere? > > > >George Tiller >911 East A Street >Brunswick, Maryland 21716 > > >********************************************************************** >Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL >before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com > > >4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) >FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html >Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html >Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech >Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... >********************************************************************** -- Doug Cottrill PTM Software, LLC ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: 4D Insider v2004 and an old structure
by Peter Jakobsson-2
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Ouch ! You just pressed my tech-nostalgia button - apologies for the
brief indulgence. On 3 Nov 2009, at 21:34, Douglas von Roeder wrote: > Those were "externals" and they were moved in and out of a structure > using > External Mover. ... and you * didn't * have to install them in the structure file. They worked exactly like the plugins of today except they had to be installed in a document called 'procext' which you then just dropped into the structure folder. The v1 language reference was about the only time I've ever read a manual from cover to cover since I had a pretty bad flu in the summer of 1988 and spent a week in convalescence with nothing else to do. Other interesting 'artifacts' of the day included: ACTIVATE LINK - you had to call this when you saved a record with a related one so that 4D would store the address of the related record in the many file INDEXES WERE DOCUMENTS - yes, 20 years ahead of their time. You just had to drag them to the wastebasket to delete an index FLOWCHARTS - write your code in inside big squares and diamond shapes if you didn't want to type 'IF' and 'Else' !! LOAD LINKED RECORD - yesterday's 'RELATE ONE' HORRIBLE BLACK RUBBERY WALLETS - for storing your 4D floppies, possibly inspired by Lotus Jazz (Maybe that came with v2 ?) All pretty amazing stuff for it's day though. Peter ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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