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Re: Safar JavaScript debugger, who knew?

2009-12-22T19:02:04Z

On Dec 22, 2009, at 6:28 PM, David Adams wrote:
> For sure, 4D will have to radically rethink their current debugger. I
> actually really like the 4D debugger now, but it won't be up to the
> task of JavaScript debugging without DOM searches and so on.

I too have tried Aptana and it still feels like oil + water trying to
mix.

There are many things I like about 4D's debugger and if they could
pickoff the good parts from it and add some more they could take the
JS by storm.

One thing I think would be nice is if you could mouse over a var for
example and have a "tool tip" like reading as to what the current
value is and it's type would be nice.

I agree the big turn off to all JS browser debuggers is they dump you
down soooooo deep into the browser's DOM with more data points than
the average geek will ever need, want or can make sense from.

I was talking with a .NET tester today and do have to say that MS has
given .NET folks a great set of tools to do auto website testing such
as data input test etc..

It sure would be nice to see Apple or Wakanda give that same kind test
suite access to OS X geeks.

-Kevin

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Re: Getting the Pointer to an Array Element

2009-12-22T18:59:53Z

Cool, but will it also work with local arrays in compiled mode?

To be really generic you'd need to do

RESOLVE POINTER($rootArray;$rootArrayName;...)

Then

$Element:=Get pointer($rootArrayName+"{"+string($index)+"}")

If $rootArray points to a process/ip array all's well; if it points to
a local I don't think it will work when running compiled, because the
compilation process throws away the names of all local objects.

David Dancy
Sydney, Australia

2009/12/23 miyako <miyako@...>:

> Hello,
> you can use Get pointer.
> the curly brackets are supported since 2004.1.
>
> miyako
>
> $ArrayElemnt_Ptr:=Get pointer("myArray_at{3}")
>
> On 2009/12/23, at 3:18, David Nasralla wrote:
>
>> But what do you do when you only have a pointer to an array, and you
>> want the pointer to an array element?

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Re: Inline images in HTML e-mail

2009-12-22T18:59:16Z

Hello,

a good starting point would be
to send an image embedded e-mail to yourself
from a full feathered e-mail client
and study the source.

after all, all e-mail messages
whether they are plain or rich text, with or without attachment,
are all made of standard ASCII characters at the source level.

miyako

On 2009/12/22, at 22:51, Tomas wrote:

Re: A little off subject ... "Spaces" in OS X

2009-12-22T18:49:08Z

Hello,

the name of the application package is irrelevant.
the bundle identifier (com.4d.4d for 4D) in the info.plist is the application's name.

miyako

On 2009/12/23, at 5:50, Michael Cook wrote:

> Yes, I made another copy of 4D Client, and changed the name to 5D Client.
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Re: Getting the Pointer to an Array Element

2009-12-22T18:40:50Z

Hello,
you can use Get pointer.
the curly brackets are supported since 2004.1.

miyako

$ArrayElemnt_Ptr:=Get pointer("myArray_at{3}")

On 2009/12/23, at 3:18, David Nasralla wrote:

> But what do you do when you only have a pointer to an array, and you
> want the pointer to an array element?

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Re: Safar JavaScript debugger, who knew?

2009-12-22T18:28:03Z

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Kevin LaTona <4dlist@...> wrote:

> David,
>
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 5:30 PM, David Adams wrote:
>>
>> Is anyone using the Safari debugger and, if so, is there any reason to
>> use it instead of Firebug with Firefox, apart from tracking down
>> Safari-specific issues?
>
> I tend to use both debuggers as I've yet to find a really good JS debugger
> to my liking.
>
> I'm hoping the "Wakanda Team" comes up something better that what is
> currently available.

Fair enough. The last time I looked, Firebug was better than the
debugger in Aptana or anywhere else. Aptana was the closest thing I
could find to a reasonable JavaScript IDE at the time. This is a few
years back.

One thing I don't enjoy about JavaScript debuggers is the depth of the
DOM tree you end up working with. (Same story in Flex.) The object
paths can be so deep and nested it gets overwhelming in a hurry.

I'll tell you one feature that would be great in a JavaScript
debugger: Search for *values* in the tree. The Safari debugger and
Firebug (as I recall) let you search for scripts, but not values.
Hopefully I'm wrong.

For sure, 4D will have to radically rethink their current debugger. I
actually really like the 4D debugger now, but it won't be up to the
task of JavaScript debugging without DOM searches and so on.
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Re: Safar JavaScript debugger, who knew?

2009-12-22T18:12:06Z

Check out what Chrome has.. very slick inspector too.. perhaps an arms-race for the hearts and minds of developers.. the best developer tools may lead to greater compliance and adoption..?
sincerely,
mehboob alam

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From: David Adams <dpadams@...>
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Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 8:30:23 PM
Subject: Safar JavaScript debugger, who knew?

Safari on Mac has had an increasingly useful Web inspector feature for
some time. I just discovered by accident that it's now got a pretty
decent looking integrated JavaScript debugger and JavaScript profiler.
Who knew? I haven't checked to see if the Windows version has this
stuff.

Is anyone using the Safari debugger and, if so, is there any reason to
use it instead of Firebug with Firefox, apart from tracking down
Safari-specific issues?
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Re: Safar JavaScript debugger, who knew?

2009-12-22T17:42:41Z

David,

On Dec 22, 2009, at 5:30 PM, David Adams wrote:
> Is anyone using the Safari debugger and, if so, is there any reason to
> use it instead of Firebug with Firefox, apart from tracking down
> Safari-specific issues?

I tend to use both debuggers as I've yet to find a really good JS
debugger to my liking.

I'm hoping the "Wakanda Team" comes up something better that what is
currently available.

-Kevin

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Safar JavaScript debugger, who knew?

2009-12-22T17:30:23Z

Safari on Mac has had an increasingly useful Web inspector feature for
some time. I just discovered by accident that it's now got a pretty
decent looking integrated JavaScript debugger and JavaScript profiler.
Who knew? I haven't checked to see if the Windows version has this
stuff.

Is anyone using the Safari debugger and, if so, is there any reason to
use it instead of Firebug with Firefox, apart from tracking down
Safari-specific issues?
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Restoring a Backup: 2004.7

2009-12-22T17:21:29Z

Like many of you, I am paranoid about data integrity and backups. Every
weekend, I shut down my client's server, run Datacheck, and fix any
problems: gremlins, NANs, etc.
(For Paul Carnine: many of us are anxiously awaiting DataCheck for v11 !!!)

This week, I decided to also do a trial run of Backup Restore, just to make
sure things are working properly.

As a test, I did the type of restore where you take the previous night's
backup and the current log file, and integrate the two. When I do that, I
get the following error during the Restore Log phase:

====================
"Record# is out of range.

Table: Activity_Log Record# 710051071

The address of the record cannot be read."
====================

I have tried to restore three days in a row, and each time I get the same
message. The table name and record numbers change, but the format and
content are the same: valid table name, record number out of range. AFIAK,
710051071 is a valid record number, since it is within the Longint number
range. All of the offending record numbers are very high numbers, but still
within Longint range. (Usually, when I see record numbers that high, it is
within a Transaction. I don't know if that has any bearing here. We do have
several Transactions that run in this application, and the tables mentioned
are involved in some transactions.)

If I click the OK button, the same message comes up again. In other words,
the message is repeated for several records.

I tried to search for the Bug Fix docs of 2004.8, to see if this was a fixed
bug, but they have changed the format of the Downloads page for 2004, and
the Bugs Fixed PDF's are no longer available from that page. I don't know
the new location of Bug Fixed PDF's, So I have no idea if this was a bug
that was fixed in 2004.8.

I am not one to arbitrarily upgrade to the "latest version" without a very
good reason to do so, and that's why I am still on 2004.7. "If it ain't
broke, don't fix it" is my motto.

Anyway: has anyone ever seen this before when restoring with the previous
backup and the current log file?

Walt Nelson - Guam

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Re: email address (pre) validation

2009-12-22T17:01:05Z

Not these days; since the rise of address harvesting address
verification is off in most mailservers.

The only thing you can do is test the well-formness of the address;
there are several regex implementations to do this.
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Re: [OFF] Downgrade a New Mac Mini to 10.5.8?

2009-12-22T16:26:50Z

Tom Benedict wrote:

> Chuck Miller writes:
>
>
>> You are right the fastest PC is a MAC. I continually amaze clients when I boot my virtual
>> machine on my laptop and it boots faster than their PCs
>>
>
> In our environment, boot time is not important. Our XP machine are rarely rebooted. Maybe once a month. So boot time is irrelevant.
>
> I haven't followed recent benchmarks. Does an Apple machine running any type of Windows OS really run faster than a Dell/HP/Lenovo/etc running the same CPU and graphics chipset?
>
> Can someone point me to some recent benchmarks?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom Benedict
> Free & Clear, Inc
>
>

I bought a 17" MacBook Pro in August 2007. It was reviewed by CNET
shortly thereafter against other high end laptops and it was marginally
faster than the other that they tested.

When they ran the Windows tests, I think they booted up under BootCamp.
When you're using Parallels or Fusion, there is a performance drop off
but it's still extremely usable.

I haven't seen anything about comparing desktops.

Back to my old tag line:
"Nothing is slow at 2GHz."

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Re: A little off subject ... "Spaces" in OS X

2009-12-22T15:57:25Z

Thanks Randy,

Your idea worked. I was trying to do it through the preference pane with no
success.

Michael

On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Randy Jaynes <randy@...> wrote:

> Michael,
>
> It sounds like you're trying to use the Expose & Spaces preference pane to
> set the apps to run in a specific Space when you launch them. I can't choose
> a second copy of an application here in the preference pane, but I can
> easily run any number of copies of an application in different Spaces at the
> same time by switching over to a Space before launching the application I
> want to have running in that Space.
>
> I use hot keys to move between Spaces quickly and easily, then launch the
> app. I often have 2 or 3 copies of 4D v11 running in 2 or more Spaces at the
> same time.
>
> If you are trying to use the preference pane to assign a specific Space to
> run in, the best suggestion I can give is to assign the second copy to
> Space 2, 3, or 4 and simply do the majority of your work in Space 1. Then
> when you go to open the second copy of 4D, it will automatically open in the
> assigned Space instead of opening in your currently displayed Space.
>
> I very seldom go to the preference pane, so I wasn't even aware of this
> restriction until now.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Randy
>
> ---------------------------------
> Randy Jaynes
> Senior Programmer and Customer Support
>
> PrintPoint, Inc.
> 57 Ludlow Lane
> Palisades, NY 10964
> USA
>
> Tel: 845 359-0298
> Fax: 845 359-3468
> Mailto:randy@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Michael Cook wrote:
>
> Chuck,
>>
>> Yes, I made another copy of 4D Client, and changed the name to 5D Client.
>>
>> I run two copies of 4D/4D Client all the time but I cannot find a way to
>> assign each copy to a different "Space". OS X apparently will only allow
>> one
>> instance of an application to run in "Spaces".
>>
>> That is the issue.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>

Re: [OFF] Downgrade a New Mac Mini to 10.5.8?

2009-12-22T15:34:48Z

On 12/22/09 6:05 PM, Tom.Benedict@... wrote:

>I haven't followed recent benchmarks. Does an Apple machine running any
>type of Windows OS really run faster than a Dell/HP/Lenovo/etc running the
>same CPU and graphics chipset?
>
>Can someone point me to some recent benchmarks?

Tom, PC World has rated a Mac as the fastest Windows machine in two cases
that I have seen. One case was a year or two ago, when they rated the
MacBook Pro as the fastest Windows laptop (by only one point, but still
fastest). The other was recently when they reviewed all-in-one desktops,
and the iMac was the fastest running Windows. The link is not on the PC
World home page any more, but I'm sure that you could find the review by
searching their site. They didn't rate the iMac the best overall, due to
high price and fewer features, but it was the fastest.

George Tiller
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Re: [OFF] Downgrade a New Mac Mini to 10.5.8?

2009-12-22T15:05:36Z

Chuck Miller writes:

>You are right the fastest PC is a MAC. I continually amaze clients when I boot my virtual
>machine on my laptop and it boots faster than their PCs

In our environment, boot time is not important. Our XP machine are rarely rebooted. Maybe once a month. So boot time is irrelevant.

I haven't followed recent benchmarks. Does an Apple machine running any type of Windows OS really run faster than a Dell/HP/Lenovo/etc running the same CPU and graphics chipset?

Can someone point me to some recent benchmarks?

Thanks,

Tom Benedict
Free & Clear, Inc

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Re: Getting the Pointer to an Array Element

2009-12-22T14:59:15Z

Hey David,

David Dancy <david.dancy@...> wrote:
> Use API Pack (www.pluggers.nl) - it has a command for this exact
> purpose. AFAIK, It's impossible in native 4D.

Thanks David. Sure enough, API pack has the command "API Get Array
Item Pointer". The fact that it has this command makes a good case
that you can't do it in Native 4D. I'm already using API pack, so this
is an easy solution.

Douglas von Roeder 4D <dvonroeder@...> wrote:
> Do you want to access the array element itself or do you just want the value
> in the element?

I wanted to hand off the array element to generic method without
having to know/deal with the variable type (let the method deal with
it). The API Pack call will work nicely.

Thanks to all that responded.

dave

Original Post:

>> I don't think there is a way to do this, but I'll throw it out there.
>>
>> I know how to get the pointer to an array:
>> $Array_Ptr:=->myArray_at
>>
>> I know how to get the pointer to an array element:
>> $ArrayElemnt_Ptr:=->myArray{3}
>>
>> But what do you do when you only have a pointer to an array, and you
>> want the pointer to an array element?
>> $ArrayElemnt_Ptr:= ->Array_Ptr->{3} - does not work
>> $ArrayElemnt_Ptr:= ->(Array_Ptr->{3}) - does not work

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Re: A little off subject ... "Spaces" in OS X

2009-12-22T14:23:40Z

Michael,

It sounds like you're trying to use the Expose & Spaces preference
pane to set the apps to run in a specific Space when you launch them.
I can't choose a second copy of an application here in the preference
pane, but I can easily run any number of copies of an application in
different Spaces at the same time by switching over to a Space before
launching the application I want to have running in that Space.

I use hot keys to move between Spaces quickly and easily, then launch
the app. I often have 2 or 3 copies of 4D v11 running in 2 or more
Spaces at the same time.

If you are trying to use the preference pane to assign a specific
Space to run in, the best suggestion I can give is to assign the
second copy to Space 2, 3, or 4 and simply do the majority of your
work in Space 1. Then when you go to open the second copy of 4D, it
will automatically open in the assigned Space instead of opening in
your currently displayed Space.

I very seldom go to the preference pane, so I wasn't even aware of
this restriction until now.

Hope this helps,
Randy

---------------------------------
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Senior Programmer and Customer Support

PrintPoint, Inc.
57 Ludlow Lane
Palisades, NY 10964
USA

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Fax: 845 359-3468
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On Dec 22, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Michael Cook wrote:

> Chuck,
>
> Yes, I made another copy of 4D Client, and changed the name to 5D
> Client.
>
> I run two copies of 4D/4D Client all the time but I cannot find a
> way to
> assign each copy to a different "Space". OS X apparently will only
> allow one
> instance of an application to run in "Spaces".
>
> That is the issue.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Chuck Miller <
> cjmiller@...> wrote:
>
>> Have you made a copy of the client. You can not run the same copy
>> twice. I
>> run multiple copies of client on my laptop all the time.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Michael Cook wrote:
>>
>> I would like to run two instances of 4D Client on the same machine,
>>> connected to different db's. Further, I would like to do it in
>>> Spaces.
>>> However, Spaces will only allow me to pick 4D Client once.
>>> Changing the
>>> name
>>> to 5D Client does not fool Spaces, the second instance is grayed
>>> out.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know a way to accomplish this?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: Getting the Pointer to an Array Element

2009-12-22T14:17:27Z

Use API Pack (www.pluggers.nl) - it has a command for this exact
purpose. AFAIK, It's impossible in native 4D.

David Dancy
Sydney, Australia

2009/12/23 David Nasralla <dnasralla@...>:

Re: WR Print to PDF and others

2009-12-22T13:59:54Z

Rudy:

You can count the number of pages in the 4D Write document, loop thru
each page, render it as a pict and use a full page output form and
print each page to a PDF (or multiple pages into one PDF). Works well.
It is the only way I can print multiple page 4D Write documents. I've
been doing it this way since 4D 2003. Works with 4D 2004 and V11.5.

On Dec 21, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Rudy Mortier, Two Way Communications bvba
wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> I am running 4D v11.4 on Snow Leopard.
>
> I am trying to print to a pdf document using 4D Write.
> I have tried everything, but it doesn't print... at all. Not to the
> printer, not to a PDF. The OK variable is always set to 0.
>
> Can anybody point me in the right direction?
>
> vNewArea:=WR New offscreen area
> WR SET PRINT OPTION (vNewArea;Destination option ;3;0;$cFileName)
> WR BLOB TO AREA (vNewArea;DOC_4DWR)
> WR EXECUTE COMMAND (vNewArea;wr cmd compute references )
> WR PRINT (vNewArea;0;1)
> WR DELETE OFFSCREEN AREA (vNewArea)
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Rudy Mortier

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2009-12-22T13:58:44Z

4D 2004.8+

Windows

NTK

Is there a way to validate an email address without sending an email to that
address?

In my application web clients enter their email address (mailbox) and select
a domain (there are only about 40 possible options). I need to be able to
verify that the mailbox entered is valid.

Thanks in advance!

David Ringsmuth

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Re: A little off subject ... "Spaces" in OS X

2009-12-22T13:29:05Z

Sorry I misunderstood.

Regards

Chuck
On Dec 22, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Michael Cook wrote:

> That is the issue.

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Re: A little off subject ... "Spaces" in OS X

2009-12-22T12:50:56Z

Chuck,

Yes, I made another copy of 4D Client, and changed the name to 5D Client.

I run two copies of 4D/4D Client all the time but I cannot find a way to
assign each copy to a different "Space". OS X apparently will only allow one
instance of an application to run in "Spaces".

That is the issue.

Michael

On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Chuck Miller <
cjmiller@...> wrote:

> Have you made a copy of the client. You can not run the same copy twice. I
> run multiple copies of client on my laptop all the time.
>
> Regards
>
> Chuck
>
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Michael Cook wrote:
>
> I would like to run two instances of 4D Client on the same machine,
>> connected to different db's. Further, I would like to do it in Spaces.
>> However, Spaces will only allow me to pick 4D Client once. Changing the
>> name
>> to 5D Client does not fool Spaces, the second instance is grayed out.
>>
>> Does anyone know a way to accomplish this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>
>

Re: A little off subject ... "Spaces" in OS X

2009-12-22T12:45:41Z

Have you made a copy of the client. You can not run the same copy
twice. I run multiple copies of client on my laptop all the time.

Regards

Chuck
On Dec 22, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Michael Cook wrote:

> I would like to run two instances of 4D Client on the same machine,
> connected to different db's. Further, I would like to do it in Spaces.
> However, Spaces will only allow me to pick 4D Client once. Changing
> the name
> to 5D Client does not fool Spaces, the second instance is grayed out.
>
> Does anyone know a way to accomplish this?
>
> Thanks,

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A little off subject ... "Spaces" in OS X

2009-12-22T12:38:23Z

I would like to run two instances of 4D Client on the same machine,
connected to different db's. Further, I would like to do it in Spaces.
However, Spaces will only allow me to pick 4D Client once. Changing the name
to 5D Client does not fool Spaces, the second instance is grayed out.

Does anyone know a way to accomplish this?

Thanks,

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Re: Drawbacks of Not Using 4D User&Password System

2009-12-22T11:33:46Z

Jesse

Thanks for pointing me at that note..i was calling back to my process an doing the movement in an outside call. SImply Changing the outside call to loop n times made it run much faster.

On 22 Dec 2009, at 15:56, Jesse Pina wrote:

> Hi Nigel,
>
>> As a side note.. 4D does a nice 'shake' when you put the password in wrong
>> mimicking the os login(at least on oSX it does). I wrote a loop to emulate
>> that and although it shakes its a bit slow..does anyone know a way to make
>> a 'shake' run fast ...
>
> The following tech tip contains a method that "shakes" a dialog:
> http://kb.4d.com/search/assetid=75801
>
> The method in the tech tip uses a loop and you can customize it as you see fit. Although you may not want to change it much because in its current form, the method closely mimics the shaking behavior of the 4D user login dialog.
>
> Kind regards,
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Re: Getting the Pointer to an Array Element

2009-12-22T11:01:55Z

Hi Dave,

How about this code:

var:=2
arrElem:=->var

arrPointer:=->number_a
arrPointer:=->number_a{arrElem->}

very similar to pointer to array element

On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:18 AM, David Nasralla wrote:

> Hey All,
>
> I don't think there is a way to do this, but I'll throw it out there.
>
> I know how to get the pointer to an array:
> $Array_Ptr:=->myArray_at
>
> I know how to get the pointer to an array element:
> $ArrayElemnt_Ptr:=->myArray{3}
>
> But what do you do when you only have a pointer to an array, and you
> want the pointer to an array element?
> $ArrayElemnt_Ptr:= ->Array_Ptr->{3} - does not work
> $ArrayElemnt_Ptr:= ->(Array_Ptr->{3}) - does not work
>
> I have a Method that does some array processing (using a pointer to an
> array), and I wanted to pass off an array element to another method
> for more processing (using a pointer).
> I doesn't look like you can do it. FWIW - I want to use a pointer,
> because I don't know what type the array will be...
>
> *****************

Re: Getting the Pointer to an Array Element

2009-12-22T10:53:02Z

David Nasralla wrote:

It looks like you've hit the limit of 4D's ability to dereference
pointers so you'll need to use a different strategy.

Do you want to access the array element itself or do you just want the
value in the element?

Perhaps you could get the type of the array that's being referenced and
use a Case statement to assign it to a proxy.

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Getting the Pointer to an Array Element

2009-12-22T10:18:26Z

Hey All,

I don't think there is a way to do this, but I'll throw it out there.

I know how to get the pointer to an array:
$Array_Ptr:=->myArray_at

I know how to get the pointer to an array element:
$ArrayElemnt_Ptr:=->myArray{3}

But what do you do when you only have a pointer to an array, and you
want the pointer to an array element?
$ArrayElemnt_Ptr:= ->Array_Ptr->{3} - does not work
$ArrayElemnt_Ptr:= ->(Array_Ptr->{3}) - does not work

I have a Method that does some array processing (using a pointer to an
array), and I wanted to pass off an array element to another method
for more processing (using a pointer).
I doesn't look like you can do it. FWIW - I want to use a pointer,
because I don't know what type the array will be...

dave

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Re: [OFF] Downgrade a New Mac Mini to 10.5.8?

2009-12-22T09:22:10Z

On Dec 22, 2009, at 6:24 AM, Chuck Miller wrote:

> You are tight the fastest PC is a MAC. I continually amaze clients
> when I boot my virtual machine on my laptop and it boots faster than
> their PCs
> On Dec 21, 2009, at 9:07 PM, Kevin LaTona wrote:
>
>> The days of which PC or MAC machine is bigger or faster are over.

Chuck,

I have XP on my Mac laptop but have never done a side by side test
with a stand alone PC machine since I don't own one.

Simply put the PC manufacturing side of the world lacks refined design
skills in their DNA.

It's just not important to them, as much pushing huge volumes of cheap
white box pc are.

A

$1000 for 1

or

1000 for $1

Both models are valid marketing approaches.

But a company has to decide on which model.

Because you can't have it both ways.

-Kevin

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Re: ListBox and On Display Detail

2009-12-22T09:19:57Z

Hi Pierre,

Pierre Leblanc <pierre@...> wrote:
> I just tried having something intialized during the On Load form event of a
> ListBox.
> Turns-out that the On Load is executed *after* all the On Display Detail
> have run.

I don't see that behavior. I did a quick sample database. The order of
events when you open a form is:
- On load event of listbox
- On load event of form
- On display detail for listbox

This was for a listbox displaying a field values.

This was v11.5MC2 - not the final release of v11.5, but I don't see
why it would be different.

Be sure the On Load event is checked for the form - otherwise the on
load event does not run on the listbox (which i personally think is a
bug). Also make sure the on load event is checked for the listbox.

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Re: ListBox and On Display Detail

2009-12-22T09:13:17Z

Hi Pierre,

What are you trying to initialize? We load up a listbox during the On
Load form event, and then set the focus to the listbox. Using the On
Getting Focus listbox event, we run the following check;

$ptrListBoxObject:=Get pointer("ListBoxName") `Whatever the name of the
listbox is
$Column:=Focus object
`if the focus object is NOT the list box...
If ($ptrListBoxObject#$Column)
`do something here
end if

You could change the above If argument to look to see if
ptrListBoxObject=$Column. To my knowledge, this is always the first
thing that is called when the listbox first gets focus. It has worked
for us for about 1.5 years now.

HTH,
Ken

On 12/22/09 10:58 AM, Pierre Leblanc wrote:

> I just tried having something intialized during the On Load form event
> of a ListBox.
> Turns-out that the On Load is executed *after* all the On Display
> Detail have run.
>
> 4D v11.5
>
> Is is just me, is it a bug or is it just incredibly dumb ?
>
>
> How do you initialize a variable *before* the On Display Detail runs
> in a listBox ?
>
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Re: Inline images in HTML e-mail

2009-12-22T09:01:13Z

Hello Tomas,

There is a technical article on it at:
http://kb.4d.com/search/assetid=40331

There is also a more current one that should be release to non-partner in April.

HTH,

dave

On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 6:51 AM, Tomas <tomas@...> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I try to find way how to send HTML e-mail message with inline images
> from within 4D, but still without success.
>
> The only one solution I've succeed s to put the image on some web
> server and to write into the message body the <img src> tag with
> URL of the image. Unfortunately most mail clients is set to not load
> remote images from web automatically, so this technique is not so useful...
>
> Does somebody know a way how to build the HTML e-mail with inline images
> really attached by the message ?
>
> Regards
>
> Tomas Kadlec
> Pardubice, Czech
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Re: ListBox and On Display Detail

2009-12-22T08:38:39Z

Le 22 déc. 09 à 16:58, Pierre Leblanc a écrit :

> I just tried having something intialized during the On Load form
> event of a ListBox.
> Turns-out that the On Load is executed *after* all the On Display
> Detail have run.
>
> 4D v11.5
>
> Is is just me, is it a bug or is it just incredibly dumb ?
>
> How do you initialize a variable *before* the On Display Detail runs
> in a listBox ?

Hi Pierre,
I don't know if we speak of the same thing, but I had to make a
listbox update in the 'on timer' event instead of 'on load', otherwise
LB was empty:

on load
SET TIMER
on timer
updateMyLB

not so bad, actually: anytime you need an update -> set timer...

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Re: ListBox and On Display Detail

2009-12-22T08:16:34Z

>> I just tried having something intialized during the On Load form
>> event of a ListBox.
>> Turns-out that the On Load is executed *after* all the On Display
>> Detail have run.
>>
>> 4D v11.5
>>
>> Is is just me, is it a bug or is it just incredibly dumb ?
>>
>>
>> How do you initialize a variable *before* the On Display Detail runs
>> in a listBox ?
> That does seem odd. You could try putting your init code in the
> on header event. You might also want a global "HasBeenRun"
> variable that you can set the first time through to keep from
> running it on every on header event.
>
> DKC

On Header does not run for LBs.

I can think of several turnarounds, I was hoping that I was
misunderstanding something.
I was also hoping for something less kludgy and bug prone than the
turnarounds I've come up with!

Thanks for your help.

Pierre.
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Re: ListBox and On Display Detail

2009-12-22T08:08:17Z

That does seem odd. You could try putting your init code in the
on header event. You might also want a global "HasBeenRun"
variable that you can set the first time through to keep from
running it on every on header event.

DKC

>I just tried having something intialized during the On Load form
>event of a ListBox.
>Turns-out that the On Load is executed *after* all the On Display
>Detail have run.
>
>4D v11.5
>
>Is is just me, is it a bug or is it just incredibly dumb ?
>
>
>How do you initialize a variable *before* the On Display Detail runs
>in a listBox ?
>
>Pierre.

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