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>From your experience what benefits (if any) are there in running red5 on a 64 bit machine vs a 32 bit? I have always worked in 32 bit architectures and I'm curious as to the experience of those running it on 64 bit machines? Thanks.
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Re: 64bit red5
64-bits on its surface doesn't add much - just more available memory space,
and native 64-bit arithmetic (so, if you use lots of longs and doubles, things
will be a bit faster).
However, the x86-64 architecture also adds a bunch of registers to the
platform compared to the previous x86 chips, as well as a few new instructions
(SSE2/3). These all make for a modest speed boost even at the same clock
speed.
My experience is that if you upgrade the OS from 32-bit to 64-bit, you will
see a small performance improvement, but not huge.
On Wednesday 01 July 2009 01:14:02 am Rafael Carabano wrote:
> >From your experience what benefits (if any) are there in running red5 on a
>
> 64 bit machine vs a 32 bit? I have always worked in 32 bit architectures
> and I'm curious as to the experience of those running it on 64 bit
> machines? Thanks.
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Re: 64bit red5
Larry,
This is a very interesting question as I'd like to test Red5 on my MacPro.
What, if any, are the advantages/disadvantages of a Xeon 8-Core running at 3.2 Ghz, with 32GB of Memory (which I have), and the new NEHALEM MacPro that Apple released after the release of "The fastest Mac in the Planet" they sold me just a few months earlier. I've never had an issue with Apple until this. It appears they are Tied to the Hip now with INTEL's constant plans for all these new processors, and like the iPhone that got charged $499 and sold later for $299 then Apple provided rebates, they won't budget a bit for someone spending $26,000 on a MacPro Server, and then a few months later releasing what they again titled "The fastest Mac on the Planet".
Seems in t he Consumers interest that, if I buy, for the Purpose of a Java Server and other Mac OS X capabilities that I may use for RED5 as a Dedicated Server, that If I purchase "The fastest Mac on the Planet on the day it's released, and 8 months later they announced "The fastest Mac on the Planet" that it's unreasonable for them not to have a Customer Policy of those spending over $25k (or some standard) and tell them, look wait a few MONTHS.
This is a hot debate because it's one thing to buy a computer late it it's season and have it outdated, and it's also true that every 2-3 years once can expect their investment to depreciate.
But to depreciate by a factor of no less than 2.7x Speed, what's that all about?
Are there any Advantages to running RED5 on a 8-Core Xeon versus a NEHALEM ???
And does anybody know how to get a Highspeed Connection from out of a Studio Apartement (that would really save some costs, I hope; at least for experimental reasons; HUGHS.NET is that real or Overhyped).
-r On Jul 1, 2009, at 9:31 AM, Larry Sanderson wrote: 64-bits on its surface doesn't add much - just more available memory space, and native 64-bit arithmetic (so, if you use lots of longs and doubles, things will be a bit faster). However, the x86-64 architecture also adds a bunch of registers to the platform compared to the previous x86 chips, as well as a few new instructions (SSE2/3). These all make for a modest speed boost even at the same clock speed. My experience is that if you upgrade the OS from 32-bit to 64-bit, you will see a small performance improvement, but not huge. On Wednesday 01 July 2009 01:14:02 am Rafael Carabano wrote: From your experience what benefits (if any) are there in running red5 on a
64 bit machine vs a 32 bit? I have always worked in 32 bit architectures
and I'm curious as to the experience of those running it on 64 bit
machines? Thanks.
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Re: 64bit red5
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'Seems in t he
Consumers interest that, if I buy, for the Purpose of a Java Server and other
Mac OS X capabilities that I may use for RED5 as a Dedicated Server, that If I purchase "The
fastest Mac on the Planet on the day it's released, and 8 months later they
announced "The fastest Mac on the Planet" that it's unreasonable for
them not to have a Customer Policy of those spending over $25k (or some
standard) and tell them, look wait a few MONTHS.'
Then you would never buy a computer because they
get faster every few months!
'But to
depreciate by a factor of no less than 2.7x Speed, what's that all
about?'
Progress!
WIth 4 xeons and a gigabit unmetered nic, red5 will
download all jars and build a distribution in less than 10
seconds.
After the the jars are downloaded, the server will
build and start in two seconds.
:)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 12:06
PM
Subject: Re: [Red5] 64bit red5
Larry,
This is a very interesting question as I'd like to test Red5 on my
MacPro.
What, if any, are the advantages/disadvantages of a Xeon 8-Core running
at 3.2 Ghz, with 32GB of Memory (which I have), and the new NEHALEM MacPro
that Apple released after the release of "The fastest Mac in the Planet" they
sold me just a few months earlier. I've never had an issue with Apple
until this. It appears they are Tied to the Hip now with INTEL's
constant plans for all these new processors, and like the iPhone that got
charged $499 and sold later for $299 then Apple provided rebates, they won't
budget a bit for someone spending $26,000 on a MacPro Server, and then a few
months later releasing what they again titled "The fastest Mac on the
Planet".
Seems in t he Consumers interest that, if I buy, for the Purpose of a
Java Server and other Mac OS X capabilities that I may use for RED5 as a
Dedicated Server, that If I purchase "The fastest Mac on the
Planet on the day it's released, and 8 months later they announced "The
fastest Mac on the Planet" that it's unreasonable for them not to
have a Customer Policy of those spending over $25k (or some standard) and tell
them, look wait a few MONTHS.
This is a hot debate because it's one thing to buy a computer late it
it's season and have it outdated, and it's also true that every 2-3 years once
can expect their investment to depreciate.
But to depreciate by a factor of no less than 2.7x Speed, what's that all
about?
Are there any Advantages to running RED5 on a 8-Core Xeon versus a
NEHALEM ???
And does anybody know how to get a Highspeed Connection from out of a
Studio Apartement (that would really save some costs, I hope; at least for
experimental reasons; HUGHS.NET is that real or Overhyped).
-r
On Jul 1, 2009, at 9:31 AM, Larry Sanderson wrote:
64-bits on its surface doesn't add much - just more available memory
space, and native 64-bit arithmetic (so, if you use lots of longs and
doubles, things will be a bit faster). However, the x86-64
architecture also adds a bunch of registers to the platform compared to
the previous x86 chips, as well as a few new instructions (SSE2/3).
These all make for a modest speed boost even at the same clock
speed. My experience is that if you upgrade the OS from 32-bit to
64-bit, you will see a small performance improvement, but not
huge. On Wednesday 01 July 2009 01:14:02 am Rafael Carabano
wrote:
From your experience what benefits (if any) are
there in running red5 on a
64 bit machine vs a 32 bit? I have always worked
in 32 bit architectures
and I'm curious as to the experience of those
running it on 64 bit
machines?
Thanks.
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Thanks Andy.
I appreciate that, though I wasn't referring to the Post Shredded Wheat Commercial :)
I was referring to spending tens of thousands of dollars on "The fastest Mac in the Planet" and Apple's need to provide a Policy to work with Customers in their best interests.
I won't be buying another MacPro again ever. My system will be a NVIDIA Tesla based on a future AMD Processor.
INTEL is already dealing with Anti-Trust issues (not progress) and Unfortunately Apple is tied at the hip with them.
So I'm not against progress, I'm against examples like selling the iPhone for $499, then lowering it to $299, then Apple gives in knowing it was improper (though legal) to the FAITH of their Customers in them and provides Rebates.
So,yes I will run RED5 on my MacPro and I'm glad to here it will run well.
But how much better on a NEHALEM, When does the Slipper Slope end and how will you feel if you ever purchase an Expensive Server, and it goes from 8 months down to a release of 24 hours later, something that deppreciates your investment faster than any other variable in the market today.
I have FAITH in RED5 and Java w/ NetBeans running on a Linux or perhaps a Windows 64-bit system, but not on Apple.
I don't like Rotten Apples. I do like Steve Jobs though; but 90% of the middle management has ego's larger than 4 Cinema Screens.
GO RED.
-r On Jul 1, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Andy Shaules wrote: 'Seems in t he Consumers interest that, if I buy, for the Purpose of a Java Server and other Mac OS X capabilities that I may use for RED5 as a Dedicated Server, that If I purchase "The fastest Mac on the Planet on the day it's released, and 8 months later they announced "The fastest Mac on the Planet" that it's unreasonable for them not to have a Customer Policy of those spending over $25k (or some standard) and tell them, look wait a few MONTHS.' Then you would never buy a computer because they get faster every few months! 'But to depreciate by a factor of no less than 2.7x Speed, what's that all about?' Progress! WIth 4 xeons and a gigabit unmetered nic, red5 will download all jars and build a distribution in less than 10 seconds. After the the jars are downloaded, the server will build and start in two seconds. :) ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [Red5] 64bit red5
Larry,
This is a very interesting question as I'd like to test Red5 on my MacPro.
What, if any, are the advantages/disadvantages of a Xeon 8-Core running at 3.2 Ghz, with 32GB of Memory (which I have), and the new NEHALEM MacPro that Apple released after the release of "The fastest Mac in the Planet" they sold me just a few months earlier. I've never had an issue with Apple until this. It appears they are Tied to the Hip now with INTEL's constant plans for all these new processors, and like the iPhone that got charged $499 and sold later for $299 then Apple provided rebates, they won't budget a bit for someone spending $26,000 on a MacPro Server, and then a few months later releasing what they again titled "The fastest Mac on the Planet".
Seems in t he Consumers interest that, if I buy, for the Purpose of a Java Server and other Mac OS X capabilities that I may use for RED5 as a Dedicated Server, that If I purchase "The fastest Mac on the Planet on the day it's released, and 8 months later they announced "The fastest Mac on the Planet" that it's unreasonable for them not to have a Customer Policy of those spending over $25k (or some standard) and tell them, look wait a few MONTHS.
This is a hot debate because it's one thing to buy a computer late it it's season and have it outdated, and it's also true that every 2-3 years once can expect their investment to depreciate.
But to depreciate by a factor of no less than 2.7x Speed, what's that all about?
Are there any Advantages to running RED5 on a 8-Core Xeon versus a NEHALEM ???
And does anybody know how to get a Highspeed Connection from out of a Studio Apartement (that would really save some costs, I hope; at least for experimental reasons; HUGHS.NET is that real or Overhyped).
-r On Jul 1, 2009, at 9:31 AM, Larry Sanderson wrote: 64-bits on its surface doesn't add much - just more available memory space, and native 64-bit arithmetic (so, if you use lots of longs and doubles, things will be a bit faster). However, the x86-64 architecture also adds a bunch of registers to the platform compared to the previous x86 chips, as well as a few new instructions (SSE2/3). These all make for a modest speed boost even at the same clock speed. My experience is that if you upgrade the OS from 32-bit to 64-bit, you will see a small performance improvement, but not huge. On Wednesday 01 July 2009 01:14:02 am Rafael Carabano wrote: From your experience what benefits (if any) are there in running red5 on a
64 bit machine vs a 32 bit? I have always worked in 32 bit architectures
and I'm curious as to the experience of those running it on 64 bit
machines? Thanks.
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I trust Linux. Period. At least Linux will never try to screw me over for thousands of dollars :) And you should trust Linux too. I'm running 64-bit linux on all of my machines without any problems: and I'm talking about desktop computers. Servers will run just as well if not better on 64-bit Linux. Can't say the same for Windoze :P
I really am sorry to hear that, friend. Just remember the company(ies) that you're dealing with. If they could mug you in an alley, beat you up, and take your money, and still have you come back to buy stuff from them, they would do it. And, figuratively speaking, they do it all the time. Just get yourself a good steak or something :)
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Bobby <bobby@...> wrote:
I have FAITH in RED5 and Java w/ NetBeans running on a Linux or perhaps a Windows 64-bit system, but not on Apple. -- And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep;
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Every server is made 'second best' within
a year or less.
I cannot see how not having 'the fastest server on
the planet' hurts you in anyway nor do I see missleading marketing.
It probably was the fastest on the planet when it
was made, and to think it would remain as such for longer than one day is
foolish.
Let also hope that nVidia has got the right people
managing their bumps!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 12:31
PM
Subject: Re: [Red5] 64bit red5
Thanks Andy.
I appreciate that, though I wasn't referring to the Post Shredded Wheat
Commercial :)
I was referring to spending tens of thousands of dollars on "The fastest
Mac in the Planet" and Apple's need to provide a Policy to work with Customers
in their best interests.
I won't be buying another MacPro again ever. My system will be a
NVIDIA Tesla based on a future AMD Processor.
INTEL is already dealing with Anti-Trust issues (not progress) and
Unfortunately Apple is tied at the hip with them.
So I'm not against progress, I'm against examples like selling the iPhone
for $499, then lowering it to $299, then Apple gives in knowing it was
improper (though legal) to the FAITH of their Customers in them and provides
Rebates.
So,yes I will run RED5 on my MacPro and I'm glad to here it will run
well.
But how much better on a NEHALEM, When does the Slipper Slope end and how
will you feel if you ever purchase an Expensive Server, and it goes from 8
months down to a release of 24 hours later, something that deppreciates your
investment faster than any other variable in the market today.
I have FAITH in RED5 and Java w/ NetBeans running on a Linux or perhaps a
Windows 64-bit system, but not on Apple.
I don't like Rotten Apples. I do like Steve Jobs though; but 90% of
the middle management has ego's larger than 4 Cinema Screens.
GO RED.
-r
On Jul 1, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Andy Shaules wrote:
'Seems in t
he Consumers interest that, if I buy, for the Purpose of a Java Server and
other Mac OS X capabilities that I may use for RED5 as a Dedicated Server,
that If I purchase "The
fastest Mac on the Planet on the day it's released, and 8 months later they
announced "The fastest Mac on the Planet" that it's unreasonable
for them not to have a Customer Policy of those spending over $25k (or some
standard) and tell them, look wait a few MONTHS.'
Then you would never buy a computer because
they get faster every few months!
'But to
depreciate by a factor of no less than 2.7x Speed, what's that all
about?'
Progress!
WIth 4 xeons and a gigabit unmetered nic, red5
will download all jars and build a distribution in less than 10
seconds.
After the the jars are downloaded, the server
will build and start in two seconds.
:)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 12:06
PM
Subject: Re: [Red5] 64bit red5
Larry,
This is a very interesting question as I'd like to test Red5 on my
MacPro.
What, if any, are the advantages/disadvantages of a Xeon 8-Core
running at 3.2 Ghz, with 32GB of Memory (which I have), and the new
NEHALEM MacPro that Apple released after the release of "The fastest Mac
in the Planet" they sold me just a few months earlier. I've never
had an issue with Apple until this. It appears they are Tied to the
Hip now with INTEL's constant plans for all these new processors, and like
the iPhone that got charged $499 and sold later for $299 then Apple
provided rebates, they won't budget a bit for someone spending $26,000 on
a MacPro Server, and then a few months later releasing what they again
titled "The fastest Mac on the Planet".
Seems in t he Consumers interest that, if I buy, for the Purpose of a
Java Server and other Mac OS X capabilities that I may use for RED5 as a
Dedicated Server, that If I purchase
"The fastest Mac on the Planet on the day it's released, and 8 months
later they announced "The fastest Mac on the Planet" that it's
unreasonable for them not to have a Customer Policy of those spending over
$25k (or some standard) and tell them, look wait a few MONTHS.
This is a hot debate because it's one thing to buy a computer late it
it's season and have it outdated, and it's also true that every 2-3 years
once can expect their investment to depreciate.
But to depreciate by a factor of no less than 2.7x Speed, what's that
all about?
Are there any Advantages to running RED5 on a 8-Core Xeon versus a
NEHALEM ???
And does anybody know how to get a Highspeed Connection from out of a
Studio Apartement (that would really save some costs, I hope; at least for
experimental reasons; HUGHS.NET is that real or Overhyped).
-r
On Jul 1, 2009, at 9:31 AM, Larry Sanderson wrote:
64-bits on its surface doesn't add much - just more available
memory space, and
native 64-bit arithmetic (so, if you use lots of longs and doubles,
things will be a bit
faster). However, the x86-64 architecture also adds a
bunch of registers to the platform compared to the
previous x86 chips, as well as a few new instructions (SSE2/3). These all
make for a modest speed boost even at the same clock speed. My experience
is that if you upgrade the OS from 32-bit to 64-bit, you will see a small performance
improvement, but not huge. On Wednesday 01 July 2009 01:14:02 am
Rafael Carabano wrote:
From your experience what benefits (if any)
are there in running red5 on a
64 bit machine vs a 32 bit? I have always
worked in 32 bit architectures
and I'm curious as to the experience of those
running it on 64 bit
machines?
Thanks.
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Thanks Andy.
I hear Ubantu is the best and most commonly used.
I'm also probably going to use that for my Rackspace/mosso Cloud Server.
Is that the best for RED5?
On Jul 1, 2009, at 3:40 PM, Tyler Kocheran wrote: I trust Linux. Period. At least Linux will never try to screw me over for thousands of dollars :) And you should trust Linux too. I'm running 64-bit linux on all of my machines without any problems: and I'm talking about desktop computers. Servers will run just as well if not better on 64-bit Linux. Can't say the same for Windoze :P
I really am sorry to hear that, friend. Just remember the company(ies) that you're dealing with. If they could mug you in an alley, beat you up, and take your money, and still have you come back to buy stuff from them, they would do it. And, figuratively speaking, they do it all the time. Just get yourself a good steak or something :)
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Bobby <bobby@...> wrote: I have FAITH in RED5 and Java w/ NetBeans running on a Linux or perhaps a Windows 64-bit system, but not on Apple.
--
And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep;
for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_lawOn Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Andy Shaules <bowljoman@...> wrote:
Every server is made 'second best' within
a year or less.
I cannot see how not having 'the fastest server on
the planet' hurts you in anyway nor do I see missleading marketing.
It probably was the fastest on the planet when it
was made, and to think it would remain as such for longer than one day is
foolish.
Let also hope that nVidia has got the right people
managing their bumps!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 12:31
PM
Subject: Re: [Red5] 64bit red5
Thanks Andy.
I appreciate that, though I wasn't referring to the Post Shredded Wheat
Commercial :)
I was referring to spending tens of thousands of dollars on "The fastest
Mac in the Planet" and Apple's need to provide a Policy to work with Customers
in their best interests.
I won't be buying another MacPro again ever. My system will be a
NVIDIA Tesla based on a future AMD Processor.
INTEL is already dealing with Anti-Trust issues (not progress) and
Unfortunately Apple is tied at the hip with them.
So I'm not against progress, I'm against examples like selling the iPhone
for $499, then lowering it to $299, then Apple gives in knowing it was
improper (though legal) to the FAITH of their Customers in them and provides
Rebates.
So,yes I will run RED5 on my MacPro and I'm glad to here it will run
well.
But how much better on a NEHALEM, When does the Slipper Slope end and how
will you feel if you ever purchase an Expensive Server, and it goes from 8
months down to a release of 24 hours later, something that deppreciates your
investment faster than any other variable in the market today.
I have FAITH in RED5 and Java w/ NetBeans running on a Linux or perhaps a
Windows 64-bit system, but not on Apple.
I don't like Rotten Apples. I do like Steve Jobs though; but 90% of
the middle management has ego's larger than 4 Cinema Screens.
GO RED.
-r
On Jul 1, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Andy Shaules wrote:
'Seems in t
he Consumers interest that, if I buy, for the Purpose of a Java Server and
other Mac OS X capabilities that I may use for RED5 as a Dedicated Server,
that If I purchase "The
fastest Mac on the Planet on the day it's released, and 8 months later they
announced "The fastest Mac on the Planet" that it's unreasonable
for them not to have a Customer Policy of those spending over $25k (or some
standard) and tell them, look wait a few MONTHS.'
Then you would never buy a computer because
they get faster every few months!
'But to
depreciate by a factor of no less than 2.7x Speed, what's that all
about?'
Progress!
WIth 4 xeons and a gigabit unmetered nic, red5
will download all jars and build a distribution in less than 10
seconds.
After the the jars are downloaded, the server
will build and start in two seconds.
:)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 12:06
PM
Subject: Re: [Red5] 64bit red5
Larry,
This is a very interesting question as I'd like to test Red5 on my
MacPro.
What, if any, are the advantages/disadvantages of a Xeon 8-Core
running at 3.2 Ghz, with 32GB of Memory (which I have), and the new
NEHALEM MacPro that Apple released after the release of "The fastest Mac
in the Planet" they sold me just a few months earlier. I've never
had an issue with Apple until this. It appears they are Tied to the
Hip now with INTEL's constant plans for all these new processors, and like
the iPhone that got charged $499 and sold later for $299 then Apple
provided rebates, they won't budget a bit for someone spending $26,000 on
a MacPro Server, and then a few months later releasing what they again
titled "The fastest Mac on the Planet".
Seems in t he Consumers interest that, if I buy, for the Purpose of a
Java Server and other Mac OS X capabilities that I may use for RED5 as a
Dedicated Server, that If I purchase
"The fastest Mac on the Planet on the day it's released, and 8 months
later they announced "The fastest Mac on the Planet" that it's
unreasonable for them not to have a Customer Policy of those spending over
$25k (or some standard) and tell them, look wait a few MONTHS.
This is a hot debate because it's one thing to buy a computer late it
it's season and have it outdated, and it's also true that every 2-3 years
once can expect their investment to depreciate.
But to depreciate by a factor of no less than 2.7x Speed, what's that
all about?
Are there any Advantages to running RED5 on a 8-Core Xeon versus a
NEHALEM ???
And does anybody know how to get a Highspeed Connection from out of a
Studio Apartement (that would really save some costs, I hope; at least for
experimental reasons; HUGHS.NET is that real or Overhyped).
-r
On Jul 1, 2009, at 9:31 AM, Larry Sanderson wrote:
64-bits on its surface doesn't add much - just more available
memory space, and
native 64-bit arithmetic (so, if you use lots of longs and doubles,
things will be a bit
faster). However, the x86-64 architecture also adds a
bunch of registers to the platform compared to the
previous x86 chips, as well as a few new instructions (SSE2/3). These all
make for a modest speed boost even at the same clock speed. My experience
is that if you upgrade the OS from 32-bit to 64-bit, you will see a small performance
improvement, but not huge. On Wednesday 01 July 2009 01:14:02 am
Rafael Carabano wrote:
From your experience what benefits (if any)
are there in running red5 on a
64 bit machine vs a 32 bit? I have always
worked in 32 bit architectures
and I'm curious as to the experience of those
running it on 64 bit
machines?
Thanks.
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I suggest Ubuntu when possible. On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Bobby <bobby@...> wrote:
Thanks Andy.
I hear Ubantu is the best and most commonly used.
I'm also probably going to use that for my Rackspace/mosso Cloud Server.
Is that the best for RED5?
On Jul 1, 2009, at 3:40 PM, Tyler Kocheran wrote:
I trust Linux. Period. At least Linux will never try to screw me over for thousands of dollars :) And you should trust Linux too. I'm running 64-bit linux on all of my machines without any problems: and I'm talking about desktop computers. Servers will run just as well if not better on 64-bit Linux. Can't say the same for Windoze :P
I really am sorry to hear that, friend. Just remember the company(ies) that you're dealing with. If they could mug you in an alley, beat you up, and take your money, and still have you come back to buy stuff from them, they would do it. And, figuratively speaking, they do it all the time. Just get yourself a good steak or something :)
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Re: 64bit red5
Actually it's not NVIDIA.
NVIDIA is Great !!!
I'm talking about Apple.
I've loved Apple my whole life, studied the Mach OS in college, followed Steve Jobs career.
But it's the Slippery Slope of purchasing what is actually going to become a Server now, but I bought it for Film Production (thus my interest in RED5 for video delivery of various edits among a group).
I purchased the 8-Core Xeon MacPro on the 1st day it was released, 26k, good faith in Apple software and hardware.
8-months later, INTEL (who has Anti-Trust issues on there hands) who is tied to the hip with Apple, works with Apple on the newly architectured NEHALEM and it depreciates by 2.7
I'm not complaining about progress, but I am moving towards LINUX, things like RED5, and where Communities of developers help each other deliver solutions better than any Corp. shareholder interest would.
INTEL is clearly driving the new models so fast, and Apple is benefiting from it.
QUESTION: Is there any FILM PRODUCTION Software FOR LINUX that is up to par with Final Cut Studio or AVID?
I'm already using BLENDER, and I'm a registered CUDA developer for NIVIDA.
Again the issue is with Apple, not NVIDIA -- I've found NVIDIA and AMD to be some of the more willing folks to work with developers around.
I need good Sound Production and Film Editing software for (interestingly enough, the RED ONE Camera, which is completely modular and optimizes workflow; I can simulate Film Grain and achieve 24fps very well).
So I'm definitely thinking of going Linux on a new Tesla Supercomputer with an AMD Processor within the next year if I can afford it. On Jul 1, 2009, at 3:47 PM, Andy Shaules wrote: Every server is made 'second best' within a year or less. I cannot see how not having 'the fastest server on the planet' hurts you in anyway nor do I see missleading marketing. It probably was the fastest on the planet when it was made, and to think it would remain as such for longer than one day is foolish. Let also hope that nVidia has got the right people managing their bumps! ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [Red5] 64bit red5
Thanks Andy.
I appreciate that, though I wasn't referring to the Post Shredded Wheat Commercial :)
I was referring to spending tens of thousands of dollars on "The fastest Mac in the Planet" and Apple's need to provide a Policy to work with Customers in their best interests.
I won't be buying another MacPro again ever. My system will be a NVIDIA Tesla based on a future AMD Processor.
INTEL is already dealing with Anti-Trust issues (not progress) and Unfortunately Apple is tied at the hip with them.
So I'm not against progress, I'm against examples like selling the iPhone for $499, then lowering it to $299, then Apple gives in knowing it was improper (though legal) to the FAITH of their Customers in them and provides Rebates.
So,yes I will run RED5 on my MacPro and I'm glad to here it will run well.
But how much better on a NEHALEM, When does the Slipper Slope end and how will you feel if you ever purchase an Expensive Server, and it goes from 8 months down to a release of 24 hours later, something that deppreciates your investment faster than any other variable in the market today.
I have FAITH in RED5 and Java w/ NetBeans running on a Linux or perhaps a Windows 64-bit system, but not on Apple.
I don't like Rotten Apples. I do like Steve Jobs though; but 90% of the middle management has ego's larger than 4 Cinema Screens.
GO RED.
-r On Jul 1, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Andy Shaules wrote: 'Seems in t he Consumers interest that, if I buy, for the Purpose of a Java Server and other Mac OS X capabilities that I may use for RED5 as a Dedicated Server, that If I purchase "The fastest Mac on the Planet on the day it's released, and 8 months later they announced "The fastest Mac on the Planet" that it's unreasonable for them not to have a Customer Policy of those spending over $25k (or some standard) and tell them, look wait a few MONTHS.' Then you would never buy a computer because they get faster every few months! 'But to depreciate by a factor of no less than 2.7x Speed, what's that all about?' Progress! WIth 4 xeons and a gigabit unmetered nic, red5 will download all jars and build a distribution in less than 10 seconds. After the the jars are downloaded, the server will build and start in two seconds. :) ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [Red5] 64bit red5
Larry,
This is a very interesting question as I'd like to test Red5 on my MacPro.
What, if any, are the advantages/disadvantages of a Xeon 8-Core running at 3.2 Ghz, with 32GB of Memory (which I have), and the new NEHALEM MacPro that Apple released after the release of "The fastest Mac in the Planet" they sold me just a few months earlier. I've never had an issue with Apple until this. It appears they are Tied to the Hip now with INTEL's constant plans for all these new processors, and like the iPhone that got charged $499 and sold later for $299 then Apple provided rebates, they won't budget a bit for someone spending $26,000 on a MacPro Server, and then a few months later releasing what they again titled "The fastest Mac on the Planet".
Seems in t he Consumers interest that, if I buy, for the Purpose of a Java Server and other Mac OS X capabilities that I may use for RED5 as a Dedicated Server, that If I purchase "The fastest Mac on the Planet on the day it's released, and 8 months later they announced "The fastest Mac on the Planet" that it's unreasonable for them not to have a Customer Policy of those spending over $25k (or some standard) and tell them, look wait a few MONTHS.
This is a hot debate because it's one thing to buy a computer late it it's season and have it outdated, and it's also true that every 2-3 years once can expect their investment to depreciate.
But to depreciate by a factor of no less than 2.7x Speed, what's that all about?
Are there any Advantages to running RED5 on a 8-Core Xeon versus a NEHALEM ???
And does anybody know how to get a Highspeed Connection from out of a Studio Apartement (that would really save some costs, I hope; at least for experimental reasons; HUGHS.NET is that real or Overhyped).
-r On Jul 1, 2009, at 9:31 AM, Larry Sanderson wrote: 64-bits on its surface doesn't add much - just more available memory space, and native 64-bit arithmetic (so, if you use lots of longs and doubles, things will be a bit faster). However, the x86-64 architecture also adds a bunch of registers to the platform compared to the previous x86 chips, as well as a few new instructions (SSE2/3). These all make for a modest speed boost even at the same clock speed. My experience is that if you upgrade the OS from 32-bit to 64-bit, you will see a small performance improvement, but not huge. On Wednesday 01 July 2009 01:14:02 am Rafael Carabano wrote: From your experience what benefits (if any) are there in running red5 on a
64 bit machine vs a 32 bit? I have always worked in 32 bit architectures
and I'm curious as to the experience of those running it on 64 bit
machines? Thanks.
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Re: 64bit red5
Yes, it runs it fine. I use Ubuntu for almost everything. I'm building my own custom distribution for developers and for servers :) On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Bobby <bobby@...> wrote:
Thanks Andy.
I hear Ubantu is the best and most commonly used.
I'm also probably going to use that for my Rackspace/mosso Cloud Server.
Is that the best for RED5?
On Jul 1, 2009, at 3:40 PM, Tyler Kocheran wrote:
I trust Linux. Period. At least Linux will never try to screw me over for thousands of dollars :) And you should trust Linux too. I'm running 64-bit linux on all of my machines without any problems: and I'm talking about desktop computers. Servers will run just as well if not better on 64-bit Linux. Can't say the same for Windoze :P
I really am sorry to hear that, friend. Just remember the company(ies) that you're dealing with. If they could mug you in an alley, beat you up, and take your money, and still have you come back to buy stuff from them, they would do it. And, figuratively speaking, they do it all the time. Just get yourself a good steak or something :)
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Bobby <bobby@...> wrote:
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Re: 64bit red5
Wow, you're going a little out of my areas of expertise there, though I share
your frustration with too-quickly-outdated tech purchases.
Regarding the whole: how well will Red5 run on a bagillion-core box with more
RAM than sand grains in the Sahara?
I'm guessing it will run pretty damn well :-)
I am not a Red5 developer, but from poking through their code, they are doing
all the right things: Using Java's nio package (via the mina libraries) to
reduce the connection-thread ratio, using the java.util.concurrent packages
for unsynchronized concurrency, etc...
Still, on reasonable hardware, I would expect a standard Red5 system to be IO
limited long before it becomes CPU limited. If you are doing other fancy stuff
to the streams, though (like transcoding via xuggler or something similar),
then the CPU will become the bottleneck much more quickly.
By the way, none of this has anything to do with 64-bit vs. 32-bit, so maybe
we're in need of a subject rewrite?
On Wednesday 01 July 2009 03:06:11 pm Bobby wrote:
> Larry,
>
> This is a very interesting question as I'd like to test Red5 on my
> MacPro.
>
> What, if any, are the advantages/disadvantages of a Xeon 8-Core
> running at 3.2 Ghz, with 32GB of Memory (which I have), and the new
> NEHALEM MacPro that Apple released after the release of "The fastest
> Mac in the Planet" they sold me just a few months earlier. I've never
> had an issue with Apple until this. It appears they are Tied to the
> Hip now with INTEL's constant plans for all these new processors, and
> like the iPhone that got charged $499 and sold later for $299 then
> Apple provided rebates, they won't budget a bit for someone spending
> $26,000 on a MacPro Server, and then a few months later releasing what
> they again titled "The fastest Mac on the Planet".
>
> Seems in t he Consumers interest that, if I buy, for the Purpose of a
> Java Server and other Mac OS X capabilities that I may use for RED5 as
> a Dedicated Server, that If I purchase "The fastest Mac on the Planet
> on the day it's released, and 8 months later they announced "The
> fastest Mac on the Planet" that it's unreasonable for them not to have
> a Customer Policy of those spending over $25k (or some standard) and
> tell them, look wait a few MONTHS.
>
> This is a hot debate because it's one thing to buy a computer late it
> it's season and have it outdated, and it's also true that every 2-3
> years once can expect their investment to depreciate.
>
> But to depreciate by a factor of no less than 2.7x Speed, what's that
> all about?
>
> Are there any Advantages to running RED5 on a 8-Core Xeon versus a
> NEHALEM ???
>
> And does anybody know how to get a Highspeed Connection from out of a
> Studio Apartement (that would really save some costs, I hope; at least
> for experimental reasons; HUGHS.NET is that real or Overhyped).
>
> -r
>
> On Jul 1, 2009, at 9:31 AM, Larry Sanderson wrote:
> > 64-bits on its surface doesn't add much - just more available memory
> > space,
> > and native 64-bit arithmetic (so, if you use lots of longs and
> > doubles, things
> > will be a bit faster).
> >
> > However, the x86-64 architecture also adds a bunch of registers to the
> > platform compared to the previous x86 chips, as well as a few new
> > instructions
> > (SSE2/3). These all make for a modest speed boost even at the same
> > clock
> > speed.
> >
> > My experience is that if you upgrade the OS from 32-bit to 64-bit,
> > you will
> > see a small performance improvement, but not huge.
> >
> > On Wednesday 01 July 2009 01:14:02 am Rafael Carabano wrote:
> >>> From your experience what benefits (if any) are there in running
> >>> red5 on a
> >>
> >> 64 bit machine vs a 32 bit? I have always worked in 32 bit
> >> architectures
> >> and I'm curious as to the experience of those running it on 64 bit
> >> machines? Thanks.
> >
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Re: 64bit red5
Nah, I think we should just run with it :) On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Larry Sanderson <larry.sanderson@...> wrote:
By the way, none of this has anything to do with 64-bit vs. 32-bit, so maybe
we're in need of a subject rewrite?
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Re: 64bit red5
Lol, I love how you worded that Larry! I don't really know anyone who's running it on the second fastest mac server either ;)
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Larry Sanderson <larry.sanderson@...> wrote:
Wow, you're going a little out of my areas of expertise there, though I share
your frustration with too-quickly-outdated tech purchases.
Regarding the whole: how well will Red5 run on a bagillion-core box with more
RAM than sand grains in the Sahara?
I'm guessing it will run pretty damn well :-)
I am not a Red5 developer, but from poking through their code, they are doing
all the right things: Using Java's nio package (via the mina libraries) to
reduce the connection-thread ratio, using the java.util.concurrent packages
for unsynchronized concurrency, etc...
Still, on reasonable hardware, I would expect a standard Red5 system to be IO
limited long before it becomes CPU limited. If you are doing other fancy stuff
to the streams, though (like transcoding via xuggler or something similar),
then the CPU will become the bottleneck much more quickly.
By the way, none of this has anything to do with 64-bit vs. 32-bit, so maybe
we're in need of a subject rewrite?
On Wednesday 01 July 2009 03:06:11 pm Bobby wrote:
> Larry,
>
> This is a very interesting question as I'd like to test Red5 on my
> MacPro.
>
> What, if any, are the advantages/disadvantages of a Xeon 8-Core
> running at 3.2 Ghz, with 32GB of Memory (which I have), and the new
> NEHALEM MacPro that Apple released after the release of "The fastest
> Mac in the Planet" they sold me just a few months earlier. I've never
> had an issue with Apple until this. It appears they are Tied to the
> Hip now with INTEL's constant plans for all these new processors, and
> like the iPhone that got charged $499 and sold later for $299 then
> Apple provided rebates, they won't budget a bit for someone spending
> $26,000 on a MacPro Server, and then a few months later releasing what
> they again titled "The fastest Mac on the Planet".
>
> Seems in t he Consumers interest that, if I buy, for the Purpose of a
> Java Server and other Mac OS X capabilities that I may use for RED5 as
> a Dedicated Server, that If I purchase "The fastest Mac on the Planet
> on the day it's released, and 8 months later they announced "The
> fastest Mac on the Planet" that it's unreasonable for them not to have
> a Customer Policy of those spending over $25k (or some standard) and
> tell them, look wait a few MONTHS.
>
> This is a hot debate because it's one thing to buy a computer late it
> it's season and have it outdated, and it's also true that every 2-3
> years once can expect their investment to depreciate.
>
> But to depreciate by a factor of no less than 2.7x Speed, what's that
> all about?
>
> Are there any Advantages to running RED5 on a 8-Core Xeon versus a
> NEHALEM ???
>
> And does anybody know how to get a Highspeed Connection from out of a
> Studio Apartement (that would really save some costs, I hope; at least
> for experimental reasons; HUGHS.NET is that real or Overhyped).
>
> -r
>
> On Jul 1, 2009, at 9:31 AM, Larry Sanderson wrote:
> > 64-bits on its surface doesn't add much - just more available memory
> > space,
> > and native 64-bit arithmetic (so, if you use lots of longs and
> > doubles, things
> > will be a bit faster).
> >
> > However, the x86-64 architecture also adds a bunch of registers to the
> > platform compared to the previous x86 chips, as well as a few new
> > instructions
> > (SSE2/3). These all make for a modest speed boost even at the same
> > clock
> > speed.
> >
> > My experience is that if you upgrade the OS from 32-bit to 64-bit,
> > you will
> > see a small performance improvement, but not huge.
> >
> > On Wednesday 01 July 2009 01:14:02 am Rafael Carabano wrote:
> >>> From your experience what benefits (if any) are there in running
> >>> red5 on a
> >>
> >> 64 bit machine vs a 32 bit? I have always worked in 32 bit
> >> architectures
> >> and I'm curious as to the experience of those running it on 64 bit
> >> machines? Thanks.
> >
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Re: 64bit red5
Moor's law has been used many times during other debates.
It won't be easy for you to understand unless you made the purchase and saw how quickly the recent historical changes have been happening since the INTEL relationship.
On Jul 1, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Dominick Accattato wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_law
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Andy Shaules <bowljoman@...> wrote: Every server is made 'second best' within a year or less. I cannot see how not having 'the fastest server on the planet' hurts you in anyway nor do I see missleading marketing. It probably was the fastest on the planet when it was made, and to think it would remain as such for longer than one day is foolish. Let also hope that nVidia has got the right people managing their bumps! ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [Red5] 64bit red5
Thanks Andy.
I appreciate that, though I wasn't referring to the Post Shredded Wheat Commercial :)
I was referring to spending tens of thousands of dollars on "The fastest Mac in the Planet" and Apple's need to provide a Policy to work with Customers in their best interests.
I won't be buying another MacPro again ever. My system will be a NVIDIA Tesla based on a future AMD Processor.
INTEL is already dealing with Anti-Trust issues (not progress) and Unfortunately Apple is tied at the hip with them.
So I'm not against progress, I'm against examples like selling the iPhone for $499, then lowering it to $299, then Apple gives in knowing it was improper (though legal) to the FAITH of their Customers in them and provides Rebates.
So,yes I will run RED5 on my MacPro and I'm glad to here it will run well.
But how much better on a NEHALEM, When does the Slipper Slope end and how will you feel if you ever purchase an Expensive Server, and it goes from 8 months down to a release of 24 hours later, something that deppreciates your investment faster than any other variable in the market today.
I have FAITH in RED5 and Java w/ NetBeans running on a Linux or perhaps a Windows 64-bit system, but not on Apple.
I don't like Rotten Apples. I do like Steve Jobs though; but 90% of the middle management has ego's larger than 4 Cinema Screens.
GO RED.
-r On Jul 1, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Andy Shaules wrote: 'Seems in t he Consumers interest that, if I buy, for the Purpose of a Java Server and other Mac OS X capabilities that I may use for RED5 as a Dedicated Server, that If I purchase "The fastest Mac on the Planet on the day it's released, and 8 months later they announced "The fastest Mac on the Planet" that it's unreasonable for them not to have a Customer Policy of those spending over $25k (or some standard) and tell them, look wait a few MONTHS.' Then you would never buy a computer because they get faster every few months! 'But to depreciate by a factor of no less than 2.7x Speed, what's that all about?' Progress! WIth 4 xeons and a gigabit unmetered nic, red5 will download all jars and build a distribution in less than 10 seconds. After the the jars are downloaded, the server will build and start in two seconds. :) ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [Red5] 64bit red5
Larry,
This is a very interesting question as I'd like to test Red5 on my MacPro.
What, if any, are the advantages/disadvantages of a Xeon 8-Core running at 3.2 Ghz, with 32GB of Memory (which I have), and the new NEHALEM MacPro that Apple released after the release of "The fastest Mac in the Planet" they sold me just a few months earlier. I've never had an issue with Apple until this. It appears they are Tied to the Hip now with INTEL's constant plans for all these new processors, and like the iPhone that got charged $499 and sold later for $299 then Apple provided rebates, they won't budget a bit for someone spending $26,000 on a MacPro Server, and then a few months later releasing what they again titled "The fastest Mac on the Planet".
Seems in t he Consumers interest that, if I buy, for the Purpose of a Java Server and other Mac OS X capabilities that I may use for RED5 as a Dedicated Server, that If I purchase "The fastest Mac on the Planet on the day it's released, and 8 months later they announced "The fastest Mac on the Planet" that it's unreasonable for them not to have a Customer Policy of those spending over $25k (or some standard) and tell them, look wait a few MONTHS.
This is a hot debate because it's one thing to buy a computer late it it's season and have it outdated, and it's also true that every 2-3 years once can expect their investment to depreciate.
But to depreciate by a factor of no less than 2.7x Speed, what's that all about?
Are there any Advantages to running RED5 on a 8-Core Xeon versus a NEHALEM ???
And does anybody know how to get a Highspeed Connection from out of a Studio Apartement (that would really save some costs, I hope; at least for experimental reasons; HUGHS.NET is that real or Overhyped).
-r On Jul 1, 2009, at 9:31 AM, Larry Sanderson wrote: 64-bits on its surface doesn't add much - just more available memory space, and native 64-bit arithmetic (so, if you use lots of longs and doubles, things will be a bit faster). However, the x86-64 architecture also adds a bunch of registers to the platform compared to the previous x86 chips, as well as a few new instructions (SSE2/3). These all make for a modest speed boost even at the same clock speed. My experience is that if you upgrade the OS from 32-bit to 64-bit, you will see a small performance improvement, but not huge. On Wednesday 01 July 2009 01:14:02 am Rafael Carabano wrote: From your experience what benefits (if any) are there in running red5 on a
64 bit machine vs a 32 bit? I have always worked in 32 bit architectures
and I'm curious as to the experience of those running it on 64 bit
machines? Thanks.
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Re: 64bit red5
Dominick,
The memory is for several hundred threads of plug-ins running for Film scoring.
The threads of each instance of Kontakt and Massive and other plug-ins quickly eats up memory like it appears you have not experienced.
I'm interested in delivering Video.
I do film scoring and production.
Do some research on Charles Clouser or others who do the same level of work and you'll understand the interest in using the MacPro as a Film editing tool, but now I'm going to Linux.
Again, as related to Video, anyone know of any Nonlinear Editing software up to par with Avid, Premier or Final Cut Studio 2 for LINUX?
I'm using Blender for 3D and compositing and it has Linux distribution.
Ultimately this will all lead to Streaming via RED5.
On Jul 1, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Dominick Accattato wrote: Lol, I love how you worded that Larry!
I don't really know anyone who's running it on the second fastest mac server either ;)
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Larry Sanderson <larry.sanderson@...> wrote: Wow, you're going a little out of my areas of expertise there, though I share
your frustration with too-quickly-outdated tech purchases.
Regarding the whole: how well will Red5 run on a bagillion-core box with more
RAM than sand grains in the Sahara?
I'm guessing it will run pretty damn well :-)
I am not a Red5 developer, but from poking through their code, they are doing
all the right things: Using Java's nio package (via the mina libraries) to
reduce the connection-thread ratio, using the java.util.concurrent packages
for unsynchronized concurrency, etc...
Still, on reasonable hardware, I would expect a standard Red5 system to be IO
limited long before it becomes CPU limited. If you are doing other fancy stuff
to the streams, though (like transcoding via xuggler or something similar),
then the CPU will become the bottleneck much more quickly.
By the way, none of this has anything to do with 64-bit vs. 32-bit, so maybe
we're in need of a subject rewrite?
On Wednesday 01 July 2009 03:06:11 pm Bobby wrote: > Larry, > > This is a very interesting question as I'd like to test Red5 on my > MacPro. > > What, if any, are the advantages/disadvantages of a Xeon 8-Core > running at 3.2 Ghz, with 32GB of Memory (which I have), and the new > NEHALEM MacPro that Apple released after the release of "The fastest > Mac in the Planet" they sold me just a few months earlier. I've never > had an issue with Apple until this. It appears they are Tied to the > Hip now with INTEL's constant plans for all these new processors, and > like the iPhone that got charged $499 and sold later for $299 then > Apple provided rebates, they won't budget a bit for someone spending > $26,000 on a MacPro Server, and then a few months later releasing what > they again titled "The fastest Mac on the Planet". > > Seems in t he Consumers interest that, if I buy, for the Purpose of a > Java Server and other Mac OS X capabilities that I may use for RED5 as > a Dedicated Server, that If I purchase "The fastest Mac on the Planet > on the day it's released, and 8 months later they announced "The > fastest Mac on the Planet" that it's unreasonable for them not to have > a Customer Policy of those spending over $25k (or some standard) and > tell them, look wait a few MONTHS. > > This is a hot debate because it's one thing to buy a computer late it > it's season and have it outdated, and it's also true that every 2-3 > years once can expect their investment to depreciate. > > But to depreciate by a factor of no less than 2.7x Speed, what's that > all about? > > Are there any Advantages to running RED5 on a 8-Core Xeon versus a > NEHALEM ??? > > And does anybody know how to get a Highspeed Connection from out of a > Studio Apartement (that would really save some costs, I hope; at least > for experimental reasons; HUGHS.NET is that real or Overhyped). > > -r > > On Jul 1, 2009, at 9:31 AM, Larry Sanderson wrote: > > 64-bits on its surface doesn't add much - just more available memory > > space, > > and native 64-bit arithmetic (so, if you use lots of longs and > > doubles, things > > will be a bit faster). > > > > However, the x86-64 architecture also adds a bunch of registers to the > > platform compared to the previous x86 chips, as well as a few new > > instructions > > (SSE2/3). These all make for a modest speed boost even at the same > > clock > > speed. > > > > My experience is that if you upgrade the OS from 32-bit to 64-bit, > > you will > > see a small performance improvement, but not huge. > > > > On Wednesday 01 July 2009 01:14:02 am Rafael Carabano wrote: > >>> From your experience what benefits (if any) are there in running > >>> red5 on a > >> > >> 64 bit machine vs a 32 bit? I have always worked in 32 bit > >> architectures > >> and I'm curious as to the experience of those running it on 64 bit > >> machines? Thanks. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Red5 mailing list > > Red5@... > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org _______________________________________________ Red5 mailing list Red5@... http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org
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Re: 64bit red5
Bobby: Are these plugins for compositing video at run-time or at render time. I just don't want to confuse the where the processor and memory are needed. Obviously, the more cpu and ram you have on a streaming server, the better, but if you are using that box to composite and render and then are looking to have a second box to stream, then this isn't an issue. Are you looking to have the same box that renders as your Streaming server? I wouldn't reccomend that.
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Bobby <bobby@...> wrote:
Dominick,
The memory is for several hundred threads of plug-ins running for Film scoring.
The threads of each instance of Kontakt and Massive and other plug-ins quickly eats up memory like it appears you have not experienced.
I'm interested in delivering Video.
I do film scoring and production.
Do some research on Charles Clouser or others who do the same level of work and you'll understand the interest in using the MacPro as a Film editing tool, but now I'm going to Linux.
Again, as related to Video, anyone know of any Nonlinear Editing software up to par with Avid, Premier or Final Cut Studio 2 for LINUX?
I'm using Blender for 3D and compositing and it has Linux distribution.
Ultimately this will all lead to Streaming via RED5.
On Jul 1, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Dominick Accattato wrote:
Lol, I love how you worded that Larry!
I don't really know anyone who's running it on the second fastest mac server either ;)
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Larry Sanderson <larry.sanderson@...> wrote:
Wow, you're going a little out of my areas of expertise there, though I share
your frustration with too-quickly-outdated tech purchases.
Regarding the whole: how well will Red5 run on a bagillion-core box with more
RAM than sand grains in the Sahara?
I'm guessing it will run pretty damn well :-)
I am not a Red5 developer, but from poking through their code, they are doing
all the right things: Using Java's nio package (via the mina libraries) to
reduce the connection-thread ratio, using the java.util.concurrent packages
for unsynchronized concurrency, etc...
Still, on reasonable hardware, I would expect a standard Red5 system to be IO
limited long before it becomes CPU limited. If you are doing other fancy stuff
to the streams, though (like transcoding via xuggler or something similar),
then the CPU will become the bottleneck much more quickly.
By the way, none of this has anything to do with 64-bit vs. 32-bit, so maybe
we're in need of a subject rewrite?
On Wednesday 01 July 2009 03:06:11 pm Bobby wrote: > Larry, > > This is a very interesting question as I'd like to test Red5 on my
> MacPro. > > What, if any, are the advantages/disadvantages of a Xeon 8-Core > running at 3.2 Ghz, with 32GB of Memory (which I have), and the new > NEHALEM MacPro that Apple released after the release of "The fastest
> Mac in the Planet" they sold me just a few months earlier. I've never > had an issue with Apple until this. It appears they are Tied to the > Hip now with INTEL's constant plans for all these new processors, and
> like the iPhone that got charged $499 and sold later for $299 then > Apple provided rebates, they won't budget a bit for someone spending > $26,000 on a MacPro Server, and then a few months later releasing what
> they again titled "The fastest Mac on the Planet". > > Seems in t he Consumers interest that, if I buy, for the Purpose of a > Java Server and other Mac OS X capabilities that I may use for RED5 as
> a Dedicated Server, that If I purchase "The fastest Mac on the Planet > on the day it's released, and 8 months later they announced "The > fastest Mac on the Planet" that it's unreasonable for them not to have
> a Customer Policy of those spending over $25k (or some standard) and > tell them, look wait a few MONTHS. > > This is a hot debate because it's one thing to buy a computer late it > it's season and have it outdated, and it's also true that every 2-3
> years once can expect their investment to depreciate. > > But to depreciate by a factor of no less than 2.7x Speed, what's that > all about? > > Are there any Advantages to running RED5 on a 8-Core Xeon versus a
> NEHALEM ??? > > And does anybody know how to get a Highspeed Connection from out of a > Studio Apartement (that would really save some costs, I hope; at least > for experimental reasons; HUGHS.NET is that real or Overhyped).
> > -r > > On Jul 1, 2009, at 9:31 AM, Larry Sanderson wrote: > > 64-bits on its surface doesn't add much - just more available memory > > space, > > and native 64-bit arithmetic (so, if you use lots of longs and
> > doubles, things > > will be a bit faster). > > > > However, the x86-64 architecture also adds a bunch of registers to the > > platform compared to the previous x86 chips, as well as a few new
> > instructions > > (SSE2/3). These all make for a modest speed boost even at the same > > clock > > speed. > > > > My experience is that if you upgrade the OS from 32-bit to 64-bit,
> > you will > > see a small performance improvement, but not huge. > > > > On Wednesday 01 July 2009 01:14:02 am Rafael Carabano wrote: > >>> From your experience what benefits (if any) are there in running
> >>> red5 on a > >> > >> 64 bit machine vs a 32 bit? I have always worked in 32 bit > >> architectures > >> and I'm curious as to the experience of those running it on 64 bit
> >> machines? Thanks. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Red5 mailing list > > Red5@...
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Re: 64bit red5
On Wednesday 01 July 2009 04:36:33 pm Bobby wrote:
> ...
>
> The threads of each instance of Kontakt and Massive and other plug-ins
> quickly eats up memory like it appears you have not experienced.
Do these run on Linux? And, are these going to be running within the scope of
Red5? If not, you might be better off using less horsepower on the Red5 server
and saving it for the boxes where you will be doing the video editing.
> ...
>
> Again, as related to Video, anyone know of any Nonlinear Editing
> software up to par with Avid, Premier or Final Cut Studio 2 for LINUX?
Nope, but I would be (pleasantly) surprised if there were anything out there
that comes close. I know Autodesk (makers of AutoCAD) has some video software
and I think they release Linux versions of all their software, but I have no
idea how good it is.
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Re: 64bit red5
Actually, to answer both Larry and Dominick's question, there's 2 parts:
1. For Testing, I'll continue to use Blender, Adobe Premiere but not Final Cut for video editing, and NVIDIA for Real-Time CUDA Rendering, and during this testing, I'd like to have RED5 running in the background just using low bandwidth test examples.
2. Later, when I get a Tesla supercomputer with NVIDIA, I'll probably build my own and take advantage of the C1060 GPU sale going on for CUDA developers right now 50% off, for 960 cores, and take 16GB of Memory out of my MacPro and put it into my Tesla, I've verified they are a match.
Then I'll use the Tesla to install Ubantu Linux and run RED5 on it, and either find a good broadband connection or install at my local Provider, which happens to be my Apartement Complex (yes they have there own Internet Provider Company good speeds).
Then I'll use my MacPro to Exploit Apple as much as they exploit purchasers without a GOOD FAITH warning to HIgh-End Purchasers (Shhh..you should wait just a few months and you're money will be much better spent..but I think the comment about mugging someone in the Alley is right, they have to account to shareholders, and unfortunately some take the Steve Ballmer monkey dance World View - Stomp, Stomp, Stomp). But I've always respected Steve Jobs, I can't help but think it's his temporary absence while getting a liver transplant and the new temp. CEO and middle management who suddenly feel empowered. There are 2 golden apples I've spoken to there, but 8 out of 10 are horrible people.
If anyone has seen Ellen Page in the Tracy Fragements, they may understand what I'll be trying to do with RED5 and NVIDIA CUDA and Blender 2.5 when it comes out.
When Red5 is running great, then I have my eyes set on a RED ONE.
This is an incredible camera with potential live capabilities, or Hybrid Capabilities of dynamic film making, ground breaking work.
I'm beta testing the R33 SDK also.
-r
On Jul 1, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Dominick Accattato wrote: Bobby:
Are these plugins for compositing video at run-time or at render time. I just don't want to confuse the where the processor and memory are needed. Obviously, the more cpu and ram you have on a streaming server, the better, but if you are using that box to composite and render and then are looking to have a second box to stream, then this isn't an issue. Are you looking to have the same box that renders as your Streaming server? I wouldn't reccomend that.
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Bobby <bobby@...> wrote: Dominick,
The memory is for several hundred threads of plug-ins running for Film scoring.
The threads of each instance of Kontakt and Massive and other plug-ins quickly eats up memory like it appears you have not experienced.
I'm interested in delivering Video.
I do film scoring and production.
Do some research on Charles Clouser or others who do the same level of work and you'll understand the interest in using the MacPro as a Film editing tool, but now I'm going to Linux.
Again, as related to Video, anyone know of any Nonlinear Editing software up to par with Avid, Premier or Final Cut Studio 2 for LINUX?
I'm using Blender for 3D and compositing and it has Linux distribution.
Ultimately this will all lead to Streaming via RED5.
On Jul 1, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Dominick Accattato wrote: Lol, I love how you worded that Larry!
I don't really know anyone who's running it on the second fastest mac server either ;)
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Larry Sanderson <larry.sanderson@...> wrote: Wow, you're going a little out of my areas of expertise there, though I share
your frustration with too-quickly-outdated tech purchases.
Regarding the whole: how well will Red5 run on a bagillion-core box with more
RAM than sand grains in the Sahara?
I'm guessing it will run pretty damn well :-)
I am not a Red5 developer, but from poking through their code, they are doing
all the right things: Using Java's nio package (via the mina libraries) to
reduce the connection-thread ratio, using the java.util.concurrent packages
for unsynchronized concurrency, etc...
Still, on reasonable hardware, I would expect a standard Red5 system to be IO
limited long before it becomes CPU limited. If you are doing other fancy stuff
to the streams, though (like transcoding via xuggler or something similar),
then the CPU will become the bottleneck much more quickly.
By the way, none of this has anything to do with 64-bit vs. 32-bit, so maybe
we're in need of a subject rewrite?
On Wednesday 01 July 2009 03:06:11 pm Bobby wrote: > Larry, > > This is a very interesting question as I'd like to test Red5 on my > MacPro. > > What, if any, are the advantages/disadvantages of a Xeon 8-Core > running at 3.2 Ghz, with 32GB of Memory (which I have), and the new > NEHALEM MacPro that Apple released after the release of "The fastest > Mac in the Planet" they sold me just a few months earlier. I've never > had an issue with Apple until this. It appears they are Tied to the > Hip now with INTEL's constant plans for all these new processors, and > like the iPhone that got charged $499 and sold later for $299 then > Apple provided rebates, they won't budget a bit for someone spending > $26,000 on a MacPro Server, and then a few months later releasing what > they again titled "The fastest Mac on the Planet". > > Seems in t he Consumers interest that, if I buy, for the Purpose of a > Java Server and other Mac OS X capabilities that I may use for RED5 as > a Dedicated Server, that If I purchase "The fastest Mac on the Planet > on the day it's released, and 8 months later they announced "The > fastest Mac on the Planet" that it's unreasonable for them not to have > a Customer Policy of those spending over $25k (or some standard) and > tell them, look wait a few MONTHS. > > This is a hot debate because it's one thing to buy a computer late it > it's season and have it outdated, and it's also true that every 2-3 > years once can expect their investment to depreciate. > > But to depreciate by a factor of no less than 2.7x Speed, what's that > all about? > > Are there any Advantages to running RED5 on a 8-Core Xeon versus a > NEHALEM ??? > > And does anybody know how to get a Highspeed Connection from out of a > Studio Apartement (that would really save some costs, I hope; at least > for experimental reasons; HUGHS.NET is that real or Overhyped). > > -r > > On Jul 1, 2009, at 9:31 AM, Larry Sanderson wrote: > > 64-bits on its surface doesn't add much - just more available memory > > space, > > and native 64-bit arithmetic (so, if you use lots of longs and > > doubles, things > > will be a bit faster). > > > > However, the x86-64 architecture also adds a bunch of registers to the > > platform compared to the previous x86 chips, as well as a few new > > instructions > > (SSE2/3). These all make for a modest speed boost even at the same > > clock > > speed. > > > > My experience is that if you upgrade the OS from 32-bit to 64-bit, > > you will > > see a small performance improvement, but not huge. > > > > On Wednesday 01 July 2009 01:14:02 am Rafael Carabano wrote: > >>> From your experience what benefits (if any) are there in running > >>> red5 on a > >> > >> 64 bit machine vs a 32 bit? I have always worked in 32 bit > >> architectures > >> and I'm curious as to the experience of those running it on 64 bit > >> machines? Thanks. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Red5 mailing list > > Red5@... > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org _______________________________________________ Red5 mailing list Red5@... http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org
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