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[Bobby-46]

I'm going to research these over the next few days and get back, if anyone is interested.  I'm already using Blender and it's just great.  Plus I can integrate CUDA support (NVIDIA will already be releasing a real-time renderer for Blender).

But for non-real time, there's these for LINUX; I'm going to look into them.  If anyone has an opinion you can e-mail me.  Probably a good time to leave it at that.

I'm going LINUX, screw Apple and Mickeysoft, there's a real pattern of business models in both music and film, and in the constant release of Mac hardware-blackmail (I didn't invent that term).

Best to build your own Linux box, use NVIDIA GPU's (I've used them and they are incredible), and I'm going AMD, screw INTEL to, they've been fined about 1.5B as some may know for paying off people in Europe not support AMD.

I say, treat others like you like to be treated -- everyone here seems Cool, so now I understand the "The love" comment, meaning of course I assume, looking out for each other as developers.  AMD's Fusion is just about that, and I'm not affiliated with AMD, just fed up with Intel,

http://sites.amd.com/us/fusion/Pages/index.aspx

I hope Intel gets hit hard by the FTC as they've been investigated before, now it will be more important, then Apple is screwed, they deserve it and I've loved them all my life until recently looking into the issue.

Non-linear video editing software

• Blender (3D animation suite) (cross-platform)
• Cinelerra (Linux)
• Jahshaka (Cross platform)
• CineFx (Cross platform)
• Kdenlive (Linux/FreeBSD)
• Kino (Linux)
• LiVES (Linux/BSD/IRIX/Mac OS X/Darwin)
• OpenShot Video Editor (Linux)
• PiTiVi (Linux)

On Jul 1, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Bobby wrote:

Actually, to answer both Larry and Dominick's question, there's 2 parts:

1. For Testing, I'll continue to use Blender, Adobe Premiere but not Final Cut for video editing, and NVIDIA for Real-Time CUDA Rendering, and during this testing, I'd like to have RED5 running in the background just using low bandwidth test examples.

2. Later, when I get a Tesla supercomputer with NVIDIA, I'll probably build my own and take advantage of the C1060 GPU sale going on for CUDA developers right now 50% off, for 960 cores, and take 16GB of Memory out of my MacPro and put it into my Tesla, I've verified they are a match.

Then I'll use the Tesla to install Ubantu Linux and run RED5 on it, and either find a good broadband connection or install at my local Provider, which happens to be my Apartement Complex (yes they have there own Internet Provider Company good speeds).

Then I'll use my MacPro to Exploit Apple as much as they exploit purchasers without a GOOD FAITH warning to HIgh-End Purchasers (Shhh..you should wait just a few months and you're money will be much better spent..but I think the comment about mugging someone in the Alley is right, they have to account to shareholders, and unfortunately some take the Steve Ballmer monkey dance World View - Stomp, Stomp, Stomp).  But I've always respected Steve Jobs, I can't help but think it's his temporary absence while getting a liver transplant and the new temp. CEO and middle management who suddenly feel empowered.  There are 2 golden apples I've spoken to there, but 8 out of 10 are horrible people.

If anyone has seen Ellen Page in the Tracy Fragements, they may understand what I'll be trying to do with RED5 and NVIDIA CUDA and Blender 2.5 when it comes out.

When Red5 is running great, then I have my eyes set on a RED ONE.

http://www.red.com/

This is an incredible camera with potential live capabilities, or Hybrid Capabilities of dynamic film making, ground breaking work.

I'm beta testing the R33 SDK also.

-r

On Jul 1, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Dominick Accattato wrote:

Bobby:

Are these plugins for compositing video at run-time or at render time.  I just don't want to confuse the where the processor and memory are needed.  Obviously, the more cpu and ram you have on a streaming server, the better, but if you are using that box to composite and render and then are looking to have a second box to stream, then this isn't an issue.  Are you looking to have the same box that renders as your Streaming server?  I wouldn't reccomend that.

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Bobby <bobby@...> wrote:

Dominick,

The memory is for several hundred threads of plug-ins running for Film scoring.

The threads of each instance of Kontakt and Massive and other plug-ins quickly eats up memory like it appears you have not experienced.

I'm interested in delivering Video.

I do film scoring and production.

Do some research on Charles Clouser or others who do the same level of work and you'll understand the interest in using the MacPro as a Film editing tool, but now I'm going to Linux.

Again, as related to Video, anyone know of any Nonlinear Editing software up to par with Avid, Premier or Final Cut Studio 2 for LINUX?

I'm using Blender for 3D and compositing and it has Linux distribution.

Ultimately this will all lead to Streaming via RED5.

On Jul 1, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Dominick Accattato wrote:

Lol, I love how you worded that Larry!

I don't really know anyone who's running it on the second fastest mac server either ;)

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Larry Sanderson <larry.sanderson@...> wrote:

Wow, you're going a little out of my areas of expertise there, though I share
your frustration with too-quickly-outdated tech purchases.

Regarding the whole: how well will Red5 run on a bagillion-core box with more
RAM than sand grains in the Sahara?

I'm guessing it will run pretty damn well :-)

I am not a Red5 developer, but from poking through their code, they are doing
all the right things: Using Java's nio package (via the mina libraries) to
reduce the connection-thread ratio, using the java.util.concurrent packages
for unsynchronized concurrency, etc...

Still, on reasonable hardware, I would expect a standard Red5 system to be IO
limited long before it becomes CPU limited.  If you are doing other fancy stuff
to the streams, though (like transcoding via xuggler or something similar),
then the CPU will become the bottleneck much more quickly.

By the way, none of this has anything to do with 64-bit vs. 32-bit, so maybe
we're in need of a subject rewrite?

On Wednesday 01 July 2009 03:06:11 pm Bobby wrote:
> Larry,
>
> This is a very interesting question as I'd like to test Red5 on my
> MacPro.
>
> What, if any, are the advantages/disadvantages of a Xeon 8-Core
> running at 3.2 Ghz, with 32GB of Memory (which I have), and the new
> NEHALEM MacPro that Apple released after the release of "The fastest
> Mac in the Planet" they sold me just a few months earlier.  I've never
> had an issue with Apple until this.  It appears they are Tied to the
> Hip now with INTEL's constant plans for all these new processors, and
> like the iPhone that got charged $499 and sold later for $299 then
> Apple provided rebates, they won't budget a bit for someone spending
> $26,000 on a MacPro Server, and then a few months later releasing what
> they again titled "The fastest Mac on the Planet".
>
> Seems in t he Consumers interest that, if I buy, for the Purpose of a
> Java Server and other Mac OS X capabilities that I may use for RED5 as
> a Dedicated Server, that If I purchase "The fastest Mac on the Planet
> on the day it's released, and 8 months later they announced "The
> fastest Mac on the Planet" that it's unreasonable for them not to have
> a Customer Policy of those spending over $25k (or some standard) and
> tell them, look wait a few MONTHS.
>
> This is a hot debate because it's one thing to buy a computer late it
> it's season and have it outdated, and it's also true that every 2-3
> years once can expect their investment to depreciate.
>
> But to depreciate by a factor of no less than 2.7x Speed, what's that
> all about?
>
> Are there any Advantages to running RED5 on a 8-Core Xeon versus a
> NEHALEM ???
>
> And does anybody know how to get a Highspeed Connection from out of a
> Studio Apartement (that would really save some costs, I hope; at least
> for experimental reasons; HUGHS.NET is that real or Overhyped).
>
> -r
>
> On Jul 1, 2009, at 9:31 AM, Larry Sanderson wrote:
> > 64-bits on its surface doesn't add much - just more available memory
> > space,
> > and native 64-bit arithmetic (so, if you use lots of longs and
> > doubles, things
> > will be a bit faster).
> >
> > However, the x86-64 architecture also adds a bunch of registers to the
> > platform compared to the previous x86 chips, as well as a few new
> > instructions
> > (SSE2/3).  These all make for a modest speed boost even at the same
> > clock
> > speed.
> >
> > My experience is that if you upgrade the OS from 32-bit to 64-bit,
> > you will
> > see a small performance improvement, but not huge.
> >
> > On Wednesday 01 July 2009 01:14:02 am Rafael Carabano wrote:
> >>> From your experience what benefits (if any) are there in running
> >>> red5 on a
> >>
> >> 64 bit machine vs a 32 bit? I have always worked in 32 bit
> >> architectures
> >> and I'm curious as to the experience of those running it on 64 bit
> >> machines? Thanks.
> >
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[Bobby-46]

Dear RED5 Group,

I'm looking into Building my own LINUX Box specifically for use of RED5,

1. MEMORY:

I verified with rotten Apple that I can remove the following 16GB of  
Memory for use in another mother-board,

DIMM Riser A / DIMM 4, 4GB, DDR2 F8-DIMM 800Mhz
DIMM Riser A / DIMM 3, 4GB, DDR2 F8-DIMM 800Mhz
DIMM Riser B / DIMM 4, 4GB, DDR2 F8-DIMM 800Mhz
DIMM Riser B / DIMM 3, 4GB, DDR2 F8-DIMM 800Mhz

That should save me on DDR2 memory, and 16GB is a good split, I can  
split into 4, 8GB later on when I have some decent money.

2. MOTHERBOARD, Processor, Graphics Card, Power Supply,

This appears as of earlier this year to be the best choice for a good  
AMD mother board with good upgradability to future processors,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131361

But I'm unsure what Combo Processor to get.  My considerations involve  
Linux and Red5.  The choices are below the page shown in the above URL

3. GRAPHICS CARD

Seems its pretty clear that this is the Graphics Card of Choice,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161264

This gives a very good Linux review of the card above,

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=sapphire_4870toxic&num=1

4. DRIVES, POWER SUPPLY & TOWER

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341011

The thing about the power supply and Tower is that I have a DELL XPS  
Tower but the Motherboard is screwed.

In that DELL XPS I still have 2 great 150GB Raptor Drives in there  
that run at 10,000 RPM and have been reliable as Hell.

I know that the Cooling in the XPS was great.  Wodnering though if I  
should just pick a new Power supply and Keep the Tower or what to do,  
I'm not sure here.  I want to keep the cost down.

Clearly I was ignorant of trusting that Apple had better quality  
control for Memory and Retail Purchase.  My Bad, Lesson Learned.

To think what I could have done.  I still have 2 30" Cinema MacPro  
Monitors, does anyone know of a way to use a MacPro Cinema 30" LCD  
Monitor with the ATI Card, an Adapter?  The DELL UltraSharp 20"  
Monitor I have has an Adapter but it differs from the Apple Cinema  
Monitor Adapters by a few pins and a lateral thin pin.

I may just use my DELL UltraSharp 20" and get a Samsung LCD Later as  
it is required for NVIDIA 3D.  Which begs the question, can I use the  
ATI as the main card, and use 2 NVIDIA C1060 GPU's?

For you other self-builders out there, am I missing anything?

It's been a while since I've built my own but it's time to start  
spending less and developing more, especially in Linux.

Thanks.





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what kind of machine are you trying to build? A server or a dev  
machine? You don't need such a monster of a machine if you're using it  
for development, and if it's a server then you definitely don't need a  
monster video card..

Thijs

On 1 Jul 2009, at 23:27, Bobby wrote:

> Dear RED5 Group,
>
> I'm looking into Building my own LINUX Box specifically for use of  
> RED5,
>
> 1. MEMORY:
>
> I verified with rotten Apple that I can remove the following 16GB of  
> Memory for use in another mother-board,
>
> DIMM Riser A / DIMM 4, 4GB, DDR2 F8-DIMM 800Mhz
> DIMM Riser A / DIMM 3, 4GB, DDR2 F8-DIMM 800Mhz
> DIMM Riser B / DIMM 4, 4GB, DDR2 F8-DIMM 800Mhz
> DIMM Riser B / DIMM 3, 4GB, DDR2 F8-DIMM 800Mhz
>
> That should save me on DDR2 memory, and 16GB is a good split, I can  
> split into 4, 8GB later on when I have some decent money.
>
> 2. MOTHERBOARD, Processor, Graphics Card, Power Supply,
>
> This appears as of earlier this year to be the best choice for a  
> good AMD mother board with good upgradability to future processors,
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131361
>
> But I'm unsure what Combo Processor to get.  My considerations  
> involve Linux and Red5.  The choices are below the page shown in the  
> above URL
>
> 3. GRAPHICS CARD
>
> Seems its pretty clear that this is the Graphics Card of Choice,
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161264
>
> This gives a very good Linux review of the card above,
>
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=sapphire_4870toxic&num=1
>
> 4. DRIVES, POWER SUPPLY & TOWER
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341011
>
> The thing about the power supply and Tower is that I have a DELL XPS  
> Tower but the Motherboard is screwed.
>
> In that DELL XPS I still have 2 great 150GB Raptor Drives in there  
> that run at 10,000 RPM and have been reliable as Hell.
>
> I know that the Cooling in the XPS was great.  Wodnering though if I  
> should just pick a new Power supply and Keep the Tower or what to  
> do, I'm not sure here.  I want to keep the cost down.
>
> Clearly I was ignorant of trusting that Apple had better quality  
> control for Memory and Retail Purchase.  My Bad, Lesson Learned.
>
> To think what I could have done.  I still have 2 30" Cinema MacPro  
> Monitors, does anyone know of a way to use a MacPro Cinema 30" LCD  
> Monitor with the ATI Card, an Adapter?  The DELL UltraSharp 20"  
> Monitor I have has an Adapter but it differs from the Apple Cinema  
> Monitor Adapters by a few pins and a lateral thin pin.
>
> I may just use my DELL UltraSharp 20" and get a Samsung LCD Later as  
> it is required for NVIDIA 3D.  Which begs the question, can I use  
> the ATI as the main card, and use 2 NVIDIA C1060 GPU's?
>
> For you other self-builders out there, am I missing anything?
>
> It's been a while since I've built my own but it's time to start  
> spending less and developing more, especially in Linux.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
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I'm more concerned about the best Motherboard, and this one appears to  
support both DDR2 800Mhz memory which I spent way too much money on  
with Apple but will re-use in another system, and DDR 1600Mhz memory.

The hard drives are only 150GB each, totally 300GB 10,000 RPM RAID-0,  
with Weekly complete backups, 3am incrementals.

The Graphics Card is for Rendering and Development, we are talking  
about Video here.   I'm not yet informed enough about ATI and  
Crossfire etc. but I do know as a CUDA Developer that if I went with a  
NVIDIA series of cards I would get incredible live simulations.

As for Xuggle, does it utilize, it it's codecs, any Video Card power,  
or is it purely CPU based, and if so, it would seem it would be wiser  
to use NVIDIA GPU's to speed up to 960 cores and threading for math  
operations.

-r


On Jul 1, 2009, at 9:37 PM, Thijs Triemstra|Collab wrote:

> what kind of machine are you trying to build? A server or a dev  
> machine? You don't need such a monster of a machine if you're using  
> it for development, and if it's a server then you definitely don't  
> need a monster video card..
>
> Thijs
>
> On 1 Jul 2009, at 23:27, Bobby wrote:
>
>> Dear RED5 Group,
>>
>> I'm looking into Building my own LINUX Box specifically for use of  
>> RED5,
>>
>> 1. MEMORY:
>>
>> I verified with rotten Apple that I can remove the following 16GB  
>> of Memory for use in another mother-board,
>>
>> DIMM Riser A / DIMM 4, 4GB, DDR2 F8-DIMM 800Mhz
>> DIMM Riser A / DIMM 3, 4GB, DDR2 F8-DIMM 800Mhz
>> DIMM Riser B / DIMM 4, 4GB, DDR2 F8-DIMM 800Mhz
>> DIMM Riser B / DIMM 3, 4GB, DDR2 F8-DIMM 800Mhz
>>
>> That should save me on DDR2 memory, and 16GB is a good split, I can  
>> split into 4, 8GB later on when I have some decent money.
>>
>> 2. MOTHERBOARD, Processor, Graphics Card, Power Supply,
>>
>> This appears as of earlier this year to be the best choice for a  
>> good AMD mother board with good upgradability to future processors,
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131361
>>
>> But I'm unsure what Combo Processor to get.  My considerations  
>> involve Linux and Red5.  The choices are below the page shown in  
>> the above URL
>>
>> 3. GRAPHICS CARD
>>
>> Seems its pretty clear that this is the Graphics Card of Choice,
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161264
>>
>> This gives a very good Linux review of the card above,
>>
>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=sapphire_4870toxic&num=1
>>
>> 4. DRIVES, POWER SUPPLY & TOWER
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341011
>>
>> The thing about the power supply and Tower is that I have a DELL  
>> XPS Tower but the Motherboard is screwed.
>>
>> In that DELL XPS I still have 2 great 150GB Raptor Drives in there  
>> that run at 10,000 RPM and have been reliable as Hell.
>>
>> I know that the Cooling in the XPS was great.  Wodnering though if  
>> I should just pick a new Power supply and Keep the Tower or what to  
>> do, I'm not sure here.  I want to keep the cost down.
>>
>> Clearly I was ignorant of trusting that Apple had better quality  
>> control for Memory and Retail Purchase.  My Bad, Lesson Learned.
>>
>> To think what I could have done.  I still have 2 30" Cinema MacPro  
>> Monitors, does anyone know of a way to use a MacPro Cinema 30" LCD  
>> Monitor with the ATI Card, an Adapter?  The DELL UltraSharp 20"  
>> Monitor I have has an Adapter but it differs from the Apple Cinema  
>> Monitor Adapters by a few pins and a lateral thin pin.
>>
>> I may just use my DELL UltraSharp 20" and get a Samsung LCD Later  
>> as it is required for NVIDIA 3D.  Which begs the question, can I  
>> use the ATI as the main card, and use 2 NVIDIA C1060 GPU's?
>>
>> For you other self-builders out there, am I missing anything?
>>
>> It's been a while since I've built my own but it's time to start  
>> spending less and developing more, especially in Linux.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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