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> Please let me know if the BU is ok with the exception as described in
> section 2 of my last email if Apress is unwilling to provide for a
> reversion of our rights to this particular book under our terms.


Hi David, I received a partial response from Apress.  They are ok with
us providing the source code subject to an open source license.  If we
do so, we would certainly have the right to use the code elsewhere.  
Also, we have reprint rights and up to 10% of the book at a time, and no
more than 30% of the whole, which should also be sufficient since Chris
confirmed that the amount of code is minimal.

The only major issue left is Sun taking back the rights to the book if
Apress does not promote/distribute the book widely.  This is largely a
business issue, with Apress agreeing to allow Sun to publish on the
topic, subject to the restrictions and exceptions I discussed above.  
Please let me know if the BU is ok with the exception as described in
section 2 of my last email if Apress is unwilling to provide for a
reversion of our rights to this particular book under our terms.  The
key import may be an argument by Apress to limit our ability to publish
a short e-book similar to the one here.  Most other circumstances seem
to be excepted as non-competitive under the drafted language.

Thank you for your responsiveness on these issues, and I look forward to
driving this to completion!

All the best!

-Greg

On 10/ 8/08 07:04 PM, David Lindt wrote:

> Would we be able to use the code samples in a separate tutorial, or
> would the code samples for the Apress book be limited only to the
> Apress book? Looks like my question is covered in your item 2
> discussion, but I just wanted to ensure we weren't making a
> distinction between book content as text and code samples.
>
> At this point, just being clear on what each party can do with the
> content, which includes code samples, is good, and I don't want to
> introduce any additional discussion points with Apress. Looks like the
> book will be close to done by the time we get the legal agreement in
> place, so I'm not looking for any additional complications.
>
> Thanks for all of your work on this.
>
> David
>
> Chris Kutler wrote:
>>
>>
>> Greg Vaisberg wrote:
>>> Hi David, Sophia and Chris,
>>>
>>> I am very happy to inform everyone that I finally heard back from
>>> Apress on our proposed Amendment to their agreement (see exchange
>>> below).
>>>
>>> The outstanding issues are:
>>>
>>> 1. Apress would like to get the source (in CD or downloadable form)
>>> we use as illustration in the book.  I don't believe this should be
>>> a problem, but Chris, please confirm that there will not be anything
>>> confidential here.  Will there be a substantial amount of code?  
>>> Will all code provided be open source?
>> There is no issue here. All code samples are original. I purposely
>> did not use any code from anything else I have written for Sun. There
>> is hardly any, and would not be anything anyone would want to
>> download. So far I have not heard any complaints from Apress that the
>> book does not have useful code examples. As the book is teaching how
>> to use the IDE, and not how to develop apps, I doubt they will want
>> something more substantial.
>>>
>>> 2. I have been seeking a way to give Sun an out of the exclusivity
>>> obligations with respect to this book if Apress does a poor job of
>>> promoting it (see my note to Apress below).  This is the key point
>>> of contention.  At present, we retain the rights to publish on the
>>> subject, subject to the following (which Apress is ok with): For
>>> clarification, Section 10 (“Non-Competition”) of the Agreement shall
>>> bind Sun only to the extent that a competing work is (a) a complete
>>> book; (b) primarily to be distributed in electronic format; and (c)
>>> is precisely the same in its breadth, depth of coverage, length,
>>> topics and subjects covered as the Work; and, For the avoidance of
>>> doubt, nothing in the Agreement shall be construed to in any way
>>> limit Sun's' ability to continue to produce materials related to the
>>> subject of the Work, including without limitation, blog entries,
>>> technical literature (print or electronic), presentations, and
>>> educational materials, which shall also be deemed non-competing and
>>> non-derivative works for the purposes of the Agreement.
>>> Ultimately, this is a business issue and I am looking for guidance
>>> on whether the BU is otherwise comfortable with Apress being the
>>> exclusive publisher for this book and Sun retaining only the above
>>> rights.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> -Greg
>>>
>>>
>>>   1.
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject:     Re: FW: [Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: Re: Sun / Apress
>>> Publishing Agreement Call]]]]
>>> Date:     Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:29:33 -0700
>>> From:     Greg Vaisberg <greg.vaisberg@...>
>>> Reply-To:     greg.vaisberg@...
>>> Organization:     Sun Microsystems, Inc.
>>> To:     Steve Anglin <steveanglin@...>
>>> References:     <48E17E13.8080107@...>
>>> <C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9BE99A5BD0@...>
>>> <48E25CFF.50002@...>
>>> <C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9BE99A5BD6@...>
>>> <C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9BE998BDA5@...>
>>> <48E3BA91.8070402@...>
>>> <C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9BE998BE6B@...>
>>> <C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9BE99A5D53@...>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Steve,
>>>
>>> Again, thanks for getting a response together on this!
>>>
>>> On 1, I see your point, and I think we could likely agree on this (I
>>> need to check with the business team).  Perhaps we can make this
>>> available to the readers under an open source license!?
>>>
>>> As to 2, I understand Apress' concern.  However, Sun's aim is to
>>> make sure we are not unduly restricted with respect to this work if
>>> Apress publishes but does not promote this book.  There is great
>>> value in Sun promoting its new and exciting technologies through
>>> books and other publications.  A short book such as this one, is of
>>> value in this effort.  I think we are open to discussing other
>>> options here, but need to find a way to have a reversion of rights
>>> to the book if it is published and not much is done with it.  Dollar
>>> figures are obviously not the only way to go. Perhaps we can start
>>> with what Apress's reasonable sales expectations are?  Let me know
>>> your ideas on how we can approach this.
>>>
>>> Thanks, and I am glad we narrowed this down and are moving forward!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> -Greg
>>>
>>> On 10/ 7/08 04:11 PM, Steve Anglin wrote:
>>> > Hi Greg,
>>> >
>>> > I've attached the Agreement as modified/commented on by Jeff
>>> Pepper, Apress Associate Publisher, and our Legal Dept.
>>> >
>>> > 1. Source Code issue
>>> >
>>> > Essentially, Apress can not agree to the language of the original
>>> paragraph one on this amendment that Sun proposed. The
>>> Springer/Apress Legal department insists on that. The paragraph
>>> regarding source code I believe, is misunderstood, anyway.
>>> >
>>> > We are after the code in the book so that readers of the book do
>>> not have to type it in. This is a requirement and one with which
>>> there should be no objection.  As long as we can provide the code in
>>> the book, we are satisfied.  I assume that the words "source code"
>>> is the reason for your/Sun's concern.  We are fine if Sun would like
>>> to edit some of the language to their liking, so long as we get the
>>> code.
>>> >
>>> > The Source Code will be put up on Apress.com next on this book's
>>> catalog page. We can also have Sun post/point to it as well. In the
>>> Source Code zip file, Sun can include a txt file that says Sun's
>>> preferred licensing for use of source code (I assume similar to
>>> NetBeans project open source project license terms).
>>> >
>>> > 2. Compete Clause
>>> >
>>> > Now, you added a clause concerning competing works and minimum
>>> sales that has been deleted.  We suggest you/Sun modify your
>>> competing works clause to say something like "precisely the same
>>> topic covered in this book".  Our issue is to avoid another product
>>> that would  injure the sale of this work; we are not trying to limit
>>> Sun from providing content needed for their users.  So again, this
>>> clause has been deleted.
>>> >
>>> > There is no ebook more than a year old in the world that continues
>>> to be sold at the level that was specified in you/Sun clause and few
>>> computer books for that matter.  In any event, we will not put in
>>> any financial limitation as the less this or any book sells, the
>>> more it costs us.
>>> >
>>> > In summary, given that Apress has published over 1,000 books
>>> without incident and that our contract is derived completely from
>>> other contracts in the publishing industry but more friendly towards
>>> the Author (and their sponsoring company/organization), the issues
>>> above that we can not agree to above are well-founded.
>>> >
>>> > Please let us know how you want to proceed now. Thank you!
>>> >
>>> > Sincerely,
>>> > Jeff and Steve
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________________
>>> > From: Greg.Vaisberg@... [Greg.Vaisberg@...]
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 10:59 AM
>>> > To: Jeffrey Pepper
>>> > Cc: Steve Anglin
>>> > Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: Re: Sun / Apress Publishing
>>> Agreement Call]]]]
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for the reply, Jeff!  Here's a converted file. Look forward
>>> to wrapping this up.
>>> >
>>> > Best!
>>> >
>>> > -Greg
>>> >
>>> > On 10/ 1/08 10:53 AM, Jeffrey Pepper wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Sorry,  I downloaded OpenOffice for the Mac while I was in Europe  
>>> to try to view the file but it would not open.  Could you send me a
>>> .doc file?
>>> >
>>> > Jeffrey M. Pepper
>>> > Apress Inc.
>>> > 5331 Burriss Court
>>> > Southport, NC 28461
>>> > 910-363-4237
>>> >
>>> > Visit: http://www.friendsofed.com | http://www.apress.com
>>> > ________________________________________
>>> > From: Steve Anglin
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:11 AM
>>> > To: Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>
>>> > Cc: Jeffrey Pepper
>>> > Subject: RE: [Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: Re: Sun / Apress Publishing
>>> Agreement Call]]]]
>>> >
>>> > Greg, you're welcome. As far as other duly authorized... I should
>>> defer to Jeff, as he's one of my managers, to either handle or
>>> delegate this, as he sees fit and appropriate.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for your patience on this matter.
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> > Steve
>>> >
>>> > _________________________________________
>>> > Steve Anglin, MSc – Senior Acquisitions Editor of Open Source
>>> > Apress - The Expert's Voice™
>>> > Visit:
>>> http://www.apress.com<http://www.apress.com/><http://www.apress.com/>
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> > From: Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>
>>> [Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>]
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:08 AM
>>> > To: Steve Anglin
>>> > Cc: Jeffrey Pepper
>>> > Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: Re: Sun / Apress Publishing
>>> Agreement Call]]]]
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for the note, Steve!  Perhaps there is another duly
>>> authorized individual on Apress' side that we can work with due to
>>> Jeff's unavailability?
>>> >
>>> > Feel free to give me a call to discuss.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks!
>>> >
>>> > -Greg
>>> >
>>> >
>>> [http://www.sun.com/emrkt/sigs/6g_top.gif]<http://www.sun.com><http://www.sun.com>  
>>> Greg Vaisberg
>>> > Counsel, Products and Technology Law Group
>>> >
>>> > Sun Microsystems, Inc.
>>> > 10 Network Circle, M/S UMPK 10-143
>>> > Menlo Park, CA 94025 US
>>> > Phone 650.351.6782
>>> > Fax 650.786.6453
>>> > Email
>>> Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 09/30/08 09:15 AM, Steve Anglin wrote:
>>> > Hi Greg, again, only an Apress publisher can adjust and approve
>>> contractual level language. Jeff is that. Jeff has been traveling,
>>> but is on this email. Perhaps, later this week.
>>> >
>>> > Hi Jeff, please advise on what we can do to expedite the situation
>>> or we'll likely lose this firstPress out of 2008 if not altogether.
>>> Thanks!
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> > Steve
>>> >
>>> > _________________________________________
>>> > Steve Anglin, MSc – Senior Acquisitions Editor of Open Source
>>> > Apress - The Expert's Voice™
>>> > Visit:
>>> http://www.apress.com<http://www.apress.com/><http://www.apress.com/>
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> > From:
>>> Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>
>>> [Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>]
>>>
>>> > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 6:17 PM
>>> > To: Jeffrey Pepper; Steve Anglin
>>> > Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: Re: Sun / Apress Publishing
>>> Agreement Call]]]]
>>> >
>>> > Hi Jeff and Steve, please let me know the status on this.  We
>>> cannot continue providing drafts in good faith reliance that we are
>>> proceeding towards an agreement when we have not heard any response
>>> on the discussed amendment draft and agreement.
>>> >
>>> > Thank you both in advance!
>>> >
>>> > -Greg
>>> >
>>> > -------- Original Message --------
>>> > Subject:        [Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: Re: Sun / Apress Publishing
>>> Agreement Call]]]
>>> > Date:   Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:57:30 -0700
>>> > From:   Greg Vaisberg
>>> <greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...>
>>>
>>> > Reply-To:      
>>> greg.vaisberg@...<mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...>
>>>
>>> > Organization:   Sun Microsystems, Inc.
>>> > To:    
>>> jeffreypepper@...<mailto:jeffreypepper@...><mailto:jeffreypepper@...><mailto:jeffreypepper@...>,
>>> steveanglin@...<mailto:steveanglin@...><mailto:steveanglin@...><mailto:steveanglin@...>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Jeff and Steve, I am once again following up on the Publishing
>>> Agreement Addendum (attached).  With the final draft deadline
>>> approaching, we need to address the contract issues.  The Addendum
>>> was drafted to reflect the terms we discussed in our August call.  
>>> If you have any comments, please let me know and we can address.
>>> >
>>> > All the best!
>>> >
>>> > -Greg
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -------- Original Message --------
>>> > Subject:        [Fwd: [Fwd: Re: Sun / Apress Publishing Agreement
>>> Call]]
>>> > Date:   Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:34:47 -0700
>>> > From:   Greg Vaisberg
>>> <greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...>
>>>
>>> > Reply-To:      
>>> greg.vaisberg@...<mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...>
>>>
>>> > Organization:   Sun Microsystems, Inc.
>>> > To:    
>>> jeffreypepper@...<mailto:jeffreypepper@...><mailto:jeffreypepper@...><mailto:jeffreypepper@...>
>>>
>>> > CC:    
>>> steveanglin@...<mailto:steveanglin@...><mailto:steveanglin@...><mailto:steveanglin@...>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi Jeff,
>>> >
>>> > Following up to see if you had a chance to look over the Addendum
>>> to the publishing agreement and had any feedback.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks!
>>> >
>>> > -Greg
>>> >
>>> > -------- Original Message --------
>>> > Subject:        [Fwd: Re: Sun / Apress Publishing Agreement Call]
>>> > Date:   Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:45:34 -0700
>>> > From:   Greg Vaisberg
>>> <greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...>
>>>
>>> > Reply-To:      
>>> greg.vaisberg@...<mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...>
>>>
>>> > Organization:   Sun Microsystems, Inc.
>>> > To:    
>>> jeffreypepper@...<mailto:jeffreypepper@...><mailto:jeffreypepper@...><mailto:jeffreypepper@...>
>>>
>>> > CC:    
>>> steveanglin@...<mailto:steveanglin@...><mailto:steveanglin@...><mailto:steveanglin@...>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi Jeff,
>>> >
>>> > I hope you had a nice Labor Day holiday!  Just following up to see
>>> if you had any feedback on the Addendum to the pub agreement.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks!
>>> >
>>> > -Greg
>>> >
>>> > -------- Original Message --------
>>> > Subject:        Re: Sun / Apress Publishing Agreement Call
>>> > Date:   Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:49:22 -0700
>>> > From:   Greg Vaisberg
>>> <greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...>
>>>
>>> > Reply-To:      
>>> greg.vaisberg@...<mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...>
>>>
>>> > Organization:   Sun Microsystems, Inc.
>>> > To:     Jeffrey Pepper
>>> <jeffreypepper@...><mailto:jeffreypepper@...><mailto:jeffreypepper@...><mailto:jeffreypepper@...>
>>>
>>> > CC:     Steve Anglin
>>> <steveanglin@...><mailto:steveanglin@...><mailto:steveanglin@...><mailto:steveanglin@...>
>>>
>>> > References:    
>>> <489C90DB.2050604@...><mailto:489C90DB.2050604@...><mailto:489C90DB.2050604@...><mailto:489C90DB.2050604@...>
>>> <C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9A84759985@...><mailto:C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9A84759985@...><mailto:C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9A84759985@...><mailto:C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9A84759985@...>
>>> <489C9405.7080603@...><mailto:489C9405.7080603@...><mailto:489C9405.7080603@...><mailto:489C9405.7080603@...>
>>> <C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9A846FD7DA@...><mailto:C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9A846FD7DA@EXVMB
>>>
>>> >
>>> X003-6.exch003intermedia.net><mailto:C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9A846FD7DA@...><mailto:C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9A846FD7DA@...>
>>> <489CA6FD.2080603@...><mailto:489CA6FD.2080603@...><mailto:489CA6FD.2080603@...><mailto:489CA6FD.2080603@...>
>>> <C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9A846FD7FD@...><mailto:C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9A846FD7FD@...><mailto:C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9A846FD7FD@...><
>>>
>>> > /a>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi Jeff,
>>> >
>>> > Apologies for the delay since our conversation.  I prepared a
>>> short clarifying addendum to the publishing agreement based on the
>>> terms we discussed, which avoids having to make any changes to the
>>> Agreement itself.
>>> >
>>> > Please let me know if you have any feedback or would like to
>>> discuss.  My availability this week is good.
>>> >
>>> > I look forward to working with you to finalize these docs!
>>> >
>>> > All the best!
>>> >
>>> > -Greg
>>> >
>>> > On 08/ 8/08 04:48 PM, Jeffrey Pepper wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Here is the current firstPress contract.  Nice talking with you.  
>>> As I said, I am generally available except for the times I sent in
>>> that email I sent.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Jeffrey M. Pepper
>>> > Associate Publisher
>>> > Apress Inc.
>>> > 5331 Burriss Court
>>> > Southport, NC 28461
>>> > 910-363-4237
>>> > ________________________________________
>>> > From:
>>> <mailto:C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9A846FD7FD@...>
>>> Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>
>>> [Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>]
>>>
>>> > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 1:05 PM
>>> > To: Jeffrey Pepper
>>> > Cc: Steve Anglin
>>> > Subject: Re: Sun / Apress Publishing Agreement Call
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for your note, Jeff.  Indeed, I was not aware that this
>>> would be
>>> > primarily an e publication when I drafted the initial doc.  The
>>> rest I
>>> > think is addressible per my note a few minutes ago.
>>> >
>>> > I am open in the next 2 hours, can we say 1:45?
>>> >
>>> > -Greg
>>> >
>>> > Jeffrey Pepper wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I am sorry.  I now see that Steve would be out Monday.  If you all
>>> want to talk now, I can do it.
>>> > Jeffrey M. Pepper
>>> > Associate Publisher
>>> > Apress Inc.
>>> > 5331 Burriss Court
>>> > Southport, NC 28461
>>> > 910-363-4237
>>> > ________________________________________
>>> > From:
>>> Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>
>>> [Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>]
>>>
>>> > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 11:44 AM
>>> > To: Steve Anglin
>>> > Cc: Jeffrey Pepper
>>> > Subject: Re: Sun / Apress Publishing Agreement Call
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for the quick response, Steve!
>>> >
>>> > If you would prefer, we can also do some time this afternoon.  
>>> Otherwise, I can work directly with Jeff or we could wait until your
>>> return.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks!
>>> >
>>> > -Greg
>>> >
>>> > Steve Anglin wrote:
>>> > Hi Greg,
>>> >
>>> > I'll be out on Monday. Maybe, the following Monday.
>>> >
>>> > Also, I've cc'd our director of firstPress and Associate
>>> Publisher, Jeff Pepper, who is in best position to discuss such
>>> things. He may be available.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks!
>>> > Steve
>>> > _______________________
>>> > Steve Anglin, MSc
>>> > Senior Acquisitions Editor
>>> > Apress, Inc
>>> > ________________________________
>>> > From:
>>> Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>
>>> [Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>]
>>>
>>> > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 11:30 AM
>>> > To: Steve Anglin
>>> > Subject: Sun / Apress Publishing Agreement Call
>>> >
>>> > Hi Steve,
>>> >
>>> > I was forwarded your contact info by Chris Kutler.  I understand
>>> your concerns with some of our edits and would like to schedule a
>>> brief call sometime on Monday to discuss the form of agreement.  The
>>> key concern for us is to be clear on the rights to continue
>>> providing information to our community.  Of course, I also
>>> understand that Apreess would not want Sun to reprint the book
>>> verbatim in its entirety elsewhere.  I think we should be able to
>>> balance these valid concerns and find an understanding.
>>> >
>>> > I am open any time on Monday with the exception of the 4-5pm slot.
>>> >
>>> > I look forward to working with you on finalizing this Agreement.
>>> >
>>> > All the best!
>>> >
>>> > -Greg
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> [http://www.sun.com/emrkt/sigs/6g_top.gif]<http://www.sun.com><http://www.sun.com><http://www.sun.com><http://www.sun.com>  
>>> Greg Vaisberg
>>> > Products and Technology Law Group
>>> >
>>> > Sun Microsystems, Inc.
>>> > 10 Network Circle, M/S UMPK 10-143
>>> > Menlo Park, CA 94025 US
>>> > Phone 650.351.6782
>>> > Fax 650.786.6453
>>> > Email
>>> Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> [http://www.sun.com/emrkt/sigs/6g_top.gif]<http://www.sun.com><http://www.sun.com>  
>>> Greg Vaisberg
>>> > Products and Technology Law Group
>>> >
>>> > Sun Microsystems, Inc.
>>> > 10 Network Circle, M/S UMPK 10-143
>>> > Menlo Park, CA 94025 US
>>> > Phone 650.351.6782
>>> > Fax 650.786.6453
>>> > Email
>>> Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> [http://www.sun.com/emrkt/sigs/6g_top.gif]<http://www.sun.com><http://www.sun.com>  
>>> Greg Vaisberg
>>> > Products and Technology Law Group
>>> >
>>> > Sun Microsystems, Inc.
>>> > 10 Network Circle, M/S UMPK 10-143
>>> > Menlo Park, CA 94025 US
>>> > Phone 650.351.6782
>>> > Fax 650.786.6453
>>> > Email
>>> Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> [http://www.sun.com/emrkt/sigs/6g_top.gif]<http://www.sun.com><http://www.sun.com>  
>>> Greg Vaisberg
>>> > Products and Technology Law Group
>>> >
>>> > Sun Microsystems, Inc.
>>> > 10 Network Circle, M/S UMPK 10-143
>>> > Menlo Park, CA 94025 US
>>> > Phone 650.351.6782
>>> > Fax 650.786.6453
>>> > Email
>>> Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> [http://www.sun.com/emrkt/sigs/6g_top.gif]<http://www.sun.com><http://www.sun.com>  
>>> Greg Vaisberg
>>> > Products and Technology Law Group
>>> >
>>> > Sun Microsystems, Inc.
>>> > 10 Network Circle, M/S UMPK 10-143
>>> > Menlo Park, CA 94025 US
>>> > Phone 650.351.6782
>>> > Fax 650.786.6453
>>> > Email
>>> Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>> --
>>> <http://www.sun.com>     * Greg Vaisberg *
>>> Products and Technology Law Group
>>>
>>> *Sun Microsystems, Inc.*
>>> 10 Network Circle, M/S UMPK 10-143
>>> Menlo Park, CA 94025 US
>>> Phone 650.351.6782
>>> Fax 650.786.6453
>>> Email Greg.Vaisberg@...
>>>
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Re: AI for you .... [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Re: FW: [Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: Re: Sun / Apress Publishing Agreement Call]]]]]]

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This was a mistake and not meant for dev alias. my appologies.

Chris Kutler wrote:

> This is buried in the email so not sure if you saw this AI for you.
>
>> Please let me know if the BU is ok with the exception as described in
>> section 2 of my last email if Apress is unwilling to provide for a
>> reversion of our rights to this particular book under our terms.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> Re: [Fwd: Re: FW: [Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: Re: Sun / Apress Publishing
> Agreement Call]]]]]
> From:
> Greg Vaisberg <Greg.Vaisberg@...>
> Date:
> Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:16:34 -0700
> To:
> David Lindt <David.Lindt@...>
>
> To:
> David Lindt <David.Lindt@...>
> CC:
> Chris Kutler <Chris.Kutler@...>, Sophia.Mikulinsky@...
>
>
> Hi David, I received a partial response from Apress.  They are ok with
> us providing the source code subject to an open source license.  If we
> do so, we would certainly have the right to use the code elsewhere.  
> Also, we have reprint rights and up to 10% of the book at a time, and
> no more than 30% of the whole, which should also be sufficient since
> Chris confirmed that the amount of code is minimal.
>
> The only major issue left is Sun taking back the rights to the book if
> Apress does not promote/distribute the book widely.  This is largely a
> business issue, with Apress agreeing to allow Sun to publish on the
> topic, subject to the restrictions and exceptions I discussed above.  
> Please let me know if the BU is ok with the exception as described in
> section 2 of my last email if Apress is unwilling to provide for a
> reversion of our rights to this particular book under our terms.  The
> key import may be an argument by Apress to limit our ability to
> publish a short e-book similar to the one here.  Most other
> circumstances seem to be excepted as non-competitive under the drafted
> language.
>
> Thank you for your responsiveness on these issues, and I look forward
> to driving this to completion!
>
> All the best!
>
> -Greg
>
> On 10/ 8/08 07:04 PM, David Lindt wrote:
>> Would we be able to use the code samples in a separate tutorial, or
>> would the code samples for the Apress book be limited only to the
>> Apress book? Looks like my question is covered in your item 2
>> discussion, but I just wanted to ensure we weren't making a
>> distinction between book content as text and code samples.
>>
>> At this point, just being clear on what each party can do with the
>> content, which includes code samples, is good, and I don't want to
>> introduce any additional discussion points with Apress. Looks like
>> the book will be close to done by the time we get the legal agreement
>> in place, so I'm not looking for any additional complications.
>>
>> Thanks for all of your work on this.
>>
>> David
>>
>> Chris Kutler wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Greg Vaisberg wrote:
>>>> Hi David, Sophia and Chris,
>>>>
>>>> I am very happy to inform everyone that I finally heard back from
>>>> Apress on our proposed Amendment to their agreement (see exchange
>>>> below).
>>>>
>>>> The outstanding issues are:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Apress would like to get the source (in CD or downloadable form)
>>>> we use as illustration in the book.  I don't believe this should be
>>>> a problem, but Chris, please confirm that there will not be
>>>> anything confidential here.  Will there be a substantial amount of
>>>> code?  Will all code provided be open source?
>>> There is no issue here. All code samples are original. I purposely
>>> did not use any code from anything else I have written for Sun.
>>> There is hardly any, and would not be anything anyone would want to
>>> download. So far I have not heard any complaints from Apress that
>>> the book does not have useful code examples. As the book is teaching
>>> how to use the IDE, and not how to develop apps, I doubt they will
>>> want something more substantial.
>>>>
>>>> 2. I have been seeking a way to give Sun an out of the exclusivity
>>>> obligations with respect to this book if Apress does a poor job of
>>>> promoting it (see my note to Apress below).  This is the key point
>>>> of contention.  At present, we retain the rights to publish on the
>>>> subject, subject to the following (which Apress is ok with): For
>>>> clarification, Section 10 (“Non-Competition”) of the Agreement
>>>> shall bind Sun only to the extent that a competing work is (a) a
>>>> complete book; (b) primarily to be distributed in electronic
>>>> format; and (c) is precisely the same in its breadth, depth of
>>>> coverage, length, topics and subjects covered as the Work; and, For
>>>> the avoidance of doubt, nothing in the Agreement shall be construed
>>>> to in any way limit Sun's' ability to continue to produce materials
>>>> related to the subject of the Work, including without limitation,
>>>> blog entries, technical literature (print or electronic),
>>>> presentations, and educational materials, which shall also be
>>>> deemed non-competing and non-derivative works for the purposes of
>>>> the Agreement.
>>>> Ultimately, this is a business issue and I am looking for guidance
>>>> on whether the BU is otherwise comfortable with Apress being the
>>>> exclusive publisher for this book and Sun retaining only the above
>>>> rights.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> -Greg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   1.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject:     Re: FW: [Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: Re: Sun / Apress
>>>> Publishing Agreement Call]]]]
>>>> Date:     Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:29:33 -0700
>>>> From:     Greg Vaisberg <greg.vaisberg@...>
>>>> Reply-To:     greg.vaisberg@...
>>>> Organization:     Sun Microsystems, Inc.
>>>> To:     Steve Anglin <steveanglin@...>
>>>> References:     <48E17E13.8080107@...>
>>>> <C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9BE99A5BD0@...>
>>>> <48E25CFF.50002@...>
>>>> <C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9BE99A5BD6@...>
>>>> <C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9BE998BDA5@...>
>>>> <48E3BA91.8070402@...>
>>>> <C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9BE998BE6B@...>
>>>> <C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9BE99A5D53@...>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Steve,
>>>>
>>>> Again, thanks for getting a response together on this!
>>>>
>>>> On 1, I see your point, and I think we could likely agree on this
>>>> (I need to check with the business team).  Perhaps we can make this
>>>> available to the readers under an open source license!?
>>>>
>>>> As to 2, I understand Apress' concern.  However, Sun's aim is to
>>>> make sure we are not unduly restricted with respect to this work if
>>>> Apress publishes but does not promote this book.  There is great
>>>> value in Sun promoting its new and exciting technologies through
>>>> books and other publications.  A short book such as this one, is of
>>>> value in this effort.  I think we are open to discussing other
>>>> options here, but need to find a way to have a reversion of rights
>>>> to the book if it is published and not much is done with it.  
>>>> Dollar figures are obviously not the only way to go. Perhaps we can
>>>> start with what Apress's reasonable sales expectations are?  Let me
>>>> know your ideas on how we can approach this.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, and I am glad we narrowed this down and are moving forward!
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> -Greg
>>>>
>>>> On 10/ 7/08 04:11 PM, Steve Anglin wrote:
>>>> > Hi Greg,
>>>> >
>>>> > I've attached the Agreement as modified/commented on by Jeff
>>>> Pepper, Apress Associate Publisher, and our Legal Dept.
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. Source Code issue
>>>> >
>>>> > Essentially, Apress can not agree to the language of the original
>>>> paragraph one on this amendment that Sun proposed. The
>>>> Springer/Apress Legal department insists on that. The paragraph
>>>> regarding source code I believe, is misunderstood, anyway.
>>>> >
>>>> > We are after the code in the book so that readers of the book do
>>>> not have to type it in. This is a requirement and one with which
>>>> there should be no objection.  As long as we can provide the code
>>>> in the book, we are satisfied.  I assume that the words "source
>>>> code" is the reason for your/Sun's concern.  We are fine if Sun
>>>> would like to edit some of the language to their liking, so long as
>>>> we get the code.
>>>> >
>>>> > The Source Code will be put up on Apress.com next on this book's
>>>> catalog page. We can also have Sun post/point to it as well. In the
>>>> Source Code zip file, Sun can include a txt file that says Sun's
>>>> preferred licensing for use of source code (I assume similar to
>>>> NetBeans project open source project license terms).
>>>> >
>>>> > 2. Compete Clause
>>>> >
>>>> > Now, you added a clause concerning competing works and minimum
>>>> sales that has been deleted.  We suggest you/Sun modify your
>>>> competing works clause to say something like "precisely the same
>>>> topic covered in this book".  Our issue is to avoid another product
>>>> that would  injure the sale of this work; we are not trying to
>>>> limit Sun from providing content needed for their users.  So again,
>>>> this clause has been deleted.
>>>> >
>>>> > There is no ebook more than a year old in the world that
>>>> continues to be sold at the level that was specified in you/Sun
>>>> clause and few computer books for that matter.  In any event, we
>>>> will not put in any financial limitation as the less this or any
>>>> book sells, the more it costs us.
>>>> >
>>>> > In summary, given that Apress has published over 1,000 books
>>>> without incident and that our contract is derived completely from
>>>> other contracts in the publishing industry but more friendly
>>>> towards the Author (and their sponsoring company/organization), the
>>>> issues above that we can not agree to above are well-founded.
>>>> >
>>>> > Please let us know how you want to proceed now. Thank you!
>>>> >
>>>> > Sincerely,
>>>> > Jeff and Steve
>>>> >
>>>> > ________________________________________
>>>> > From: Greg.Vaisberg@... [Greg.Vaisberg@...]
>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 10:59 AM
>>>> > To: Jeffrey Pepper
>>>> > Cc: Steve Anglin
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: Re: Sun / Apress Publishing
>>>> Agreement Call]]]]
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks for the reply, Jeff!  Here's a converted file. Look
>>>> forward to wrapping this up.
>>>> >
>>>> > Best!
>>>> >
>>>> > -Greg
>>>> >
>>>> > On 10/ 1/08 10:53 AM, Jeffrey Pepper wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Sorry,  I downloaded OpenOffice for the Mac while I was in
>>>> Europe  to try to view the file but it would not open.  Could you
>>>> send me a .doc file?
>>>> >
>>>> > Jeffrey M. Pepper
>>>> > Apress Inc.
>>>> > 5331 Burriss Court
>>>> > Southport, NC 28461
>>>> > 910-363-4237
>>>> >
>>>> > Visit: http://www.friendsofed.com | http://www.apress.com
>>>> > ________________________________________
>>>> > From: Steve Anglin
>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:11 AM
>>>> > To: Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>
>>>> > Cc: Jeffrey Pepper
>>>> > Subject: RE: [Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: Re: Sun / Apress Publishing
>>>> Agreement Call]]]]
>>>> >
>>>> > Greg, you're welcome. As far as other duly authorized... I should
>>>> defer to Jeff, as he's one of my managers, to either handle or
>>>> delegate this, as he sees fit and appropriate.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks for your patience on this matter.
>>>> >
>>>> > Best,
>>>> > Steve
>>>> >
>>>> > _________________________________________
>>>> > Steve Anglin, MSc – Senior Acquisitions Editor of Open Source
>>>> > Apress - The Expert's Voice™
>>>> > Visit:
>>>> http://www.apress.com<http://www.apress.com/><http://www.apress.com/>
>>>> >
>>>> > ________________________________
>>>> > From: Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>
>>>> [Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>]
>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:08 AM
>>>> > To: Steve Anglin
>>>> > Cc: Jeffrey Pepper
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: Re: Sun / Apress Publishing
>>>> Agreement Call]]]]
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks for the note, Steve!  Perhaps there is another duly
>>>> authorized individual on Apress' side that we can work with due to
>>>> Jeff's unavailability?
>>>> >
>>>> > Feel free to give me a call to discuss.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks!
>>>> >
>>>> > -Greg
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> [http://www.sun.com/emrkt/sigs/6g_top.gif]<http://www.sun.com><http://www.sun.com>  
>>>> Greg Vaisberg
>>>> > Counsel, Products and Technology Law Group
>>>> >
>>>> > Sun Microsystems, Inc.
>>>> > 10 Network Circle, M/S UMPK 10-143
>>>> > Menlo Park, CA 94025 US
>>>> > Phone 650.351.6782
>>>> > Fax 650.786.6453
>>>> > Email
>>>> Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On 09/30/08 09:15 AM, Steve Anglin wrote:
>>>> > Hi Greg, again, only an Apress publisher can adjust and approve
>>>> contractual level language. Jeff is that. Jeff has been traveling,
>>>> but is on this email. Perhaps, later this week.
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi Jeff, please advise on what we can do to expedite the
>>>> situation or we'll likely lose this firstPress out of 2008 if not
>>>> altogether. Thanks!
>>>> >
>>>> > Best,
>>>> > Steve
>>>> >
>>>> > _________________________________________
>>>> > Steve Anglin, MSc – Senior Acquisitions Editor of Open Source
>>>> > Apress - The Expert's Voice™
>>>> > Visit:
>>>> http://www.apress.com<http://www.apress.com/><http://www.apress.com/>
>>>> >
>>>> > ________________________________
>>>> > From:
>>>> Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>
>>>> [Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>]
>>>>
>>>> > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 6:17 PM
>>>> > To: Jeffrey Pepper; Steve Anglin
>>>> > Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: Re: Sun / Apress Publishing
>>>> Agreement Call]]]]
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi Jeff and Steve, please let me know the status on this.  We
>>>> cannot continue providing drafts in good faith reliance that we are
>>>> proceeding towards an agreement when we have not heard any response
>>>> on the discussed amendment draft and agreement.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thank you both in advance!
>>>> >
>>>> > -Greg
>>>> >
>>>> > -------- Original Message --------
>>>> > Subject:        [Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: Re: Sun / Apress Publishing
>>>> Agreement Call]]]
>>>> > Date:   Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:57:30 -0700
>>>> > From:   Greg Vaisberg
>>>> <greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...>
>>>>
>>>> > Reply-To:      
>>>> greg.vaisberg@...<mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...>
>>>>
>>>> > Organization:   Sun Microsystems, Inc.
>>>> > To:    
>>>> jeffreypepper@...<mailto:jeffreypepper@...><mailto:jeffreypepper@...><mailto:jeffreypepper@...>,
>>>> steveanglin@...<mailto:steveanglin@...><mailto:steveanglin@...><mailto:steveanglin@...>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Jeff and Steve, I am once again following up on the Publishing
>>>> Agreement Addendum (attached).  With the final draft deadline
>>>> approaching, we need to address the contract issues.  The Addendum
>>>> was drafted to reflect the terms we discussed in our August call.  
>>>> If you have any comments, please let me know and we can address.
>>>> >
>>>> > All the best!
>>>> >
>>>> > -Greg
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > -------- Original Message --------
>>>> > Subject:        [Fwd: [Fwd: Re: Sun / Apress Publishing Agreement
>>>> Call]]
>>>> > Date:   Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:34:47 -0700
>>>> > From:   Greg Vaisberg
>>>> <greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...>
>>>>
>>>> > Reply-To:      
>>>> greg.vaisberg@...<mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...>
>>>>
>>>> > Organization:   Sun Microsystems, Inc.
>>>> > To:    
>>>> jeffreypepper@...<mailto:jeffreypepper@...><mailto:jeffreypepper@...><mailto:jeffreypepper@...>
>>>>
>>>> > CC:    
>>>> steveanglin@...<mailto:steveanglin@...><mailto:steveanglin@...><mailto:steveanglin@...>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi Jeff,
>>>> >
>>>> > Following up to see if you had a chance to look over the Addendum
>>>> to the publishing agreement and had any feedback.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks!
>>>> >
>>>> > -Greg
>>>> >
>>>> > -------- Original Message --------
>>>> > Subject:        [Fwd: Re: Sun / Apress Publishing Agreement Call]
>>>> > Date:   Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:45:34 -0700
>>>> > From:   Greg Vaisberg
>>>> <greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...>
>>>>
>>>> > Reply-To:      
>>>> greg.vaisberg@...<mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...>
>>>>
>>>> > Organization:   Sun Microsystems, Inc.
>>>> > To:    
>>>> jeffreypepper@...<mailto:jeffreypepper@...><mailto:jeffreypepper@...><mailto:jeffreypepper@...>
>>>>
>>>> > CC:    
>>>> steveanglin@...<mailto:steveanglin@...><mailto:steveanglin@...><mailto:steveanglin@...>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi Jeff,
>>>> >
>>>> > I hope you had a nice Labor Day holiday!  Just following up to
>>>> see if you had any feedback on the Addendum to the pub agreement.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks!
>>>> >
>>>> > -Greg
>>>> >
>>>> > -------- Original Message --------
>>>> > Subject:        Re: Sun / Apress Publishing Agreement Call
>>>> > Date:   Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:49:22 -0700
>>>> > From:   Greg Vaisberg
>>>> <greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...>
>>>>
>>>> > Reply-To:      
>>>> greg.vaisberg@...<mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...><mailto:greg.vaisberg@...>
>>>>
>>>> > Organization:   Sun Microsystems, Inc.
>>>> > To:     Jeffrey Pepper
>>>> <jeffreypepper@...><mailto:jeffreypepper@...><mailto:jeffreypepper@...><mailto:jeffreypepper@...>
>>>>
>>>> > CC:     Steve Anglin
>>>> <steveanglin@...><mailto:steveanglin@...><mailto:steveanglin@...><mailto:steveanglin@...>
>>>>
>>>> > References:    
>>>> <489C90DB.2050604@...><mailto:489C90DB.2050604@...><mailto:489C90DB.2050604@...><mailto:489C90DB.2050604@...>
>>>> <C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9A84759985@...><mailto:C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9A84759985@...><mailto:C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9A84759985@...><mailto:C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9A84759985@...>
>>>> <489C9405.7080603@...><mailto:489C9405.7080603@...><mailto:489C9405.7080603@...><mailto:489C9405.7080603@...>
>>>> <C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9A846FD7DA@...><mailto:C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9A846FD7DA@EXVMB
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> X003-6.exch003intermedia.net><mailto:C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9A846FD7DA@...><mailto:C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9A846FD7DA@...>
>>>> <489CA6FD.2080603@...><mailto:489CA6FD.2080603@...><mailto:489CA6FD.2080603@...><mailto:489CA6FD.2080603@...>
>>>> <C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9A846FD7FD@...><mailto:C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9A846FD7FD@...><mailto:C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9A846FD7FD@...><
>>>>
>>>> > /a>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi Jeff,
>>>> >
>>>> > Apologies for the delay since our conversation.  I prepared a
>>>> short clarifying addendum to the publishing agreement based on the
>>>> terms we discussed, which avoids having to make any changes to the
>>>> Agreement itself.
>>>> >
>>>> > Please let me know if you have any feedback or would like to
>>>> discuss.  My availability this week is good.
>>>> >
>>>> > I look forward to working with you to finalize these docs!
>>>> >
>>>> > All the best!
>>>> >
>>>> > -Greg
>>>> >
>>>> > On 08/ 8/08 04:48 PM, Jeffrey Pepper wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Here is the current firstPress contract.  Nice talking with you.  
>>>> As I said, I am generally available except for the times I sent in
>>>> that email I sent.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Jeffrey M. Pepper
>>>> > Associate Publisher
>>>> > Apress Inc.
>>>> > 5331 Burriss Court
>>>> > Southport, NC 28461
>>>> > 910-363-4237
>>>> > ________________________________________
>>>> > From:
>>>> <mailto:C32806019BE3C44C9E602DFD435741BB9A846FD7FD@...>
>>>> Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>
>>>> [Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>]
>>>>
>>>> > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 1:05 PM
>>>> > To: Jeffrey Pepper
>>>> > Cc: Steve Anglin
>>>> > Subject: Re: Sun / Apress Publishing Agreement Call
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks for your note, Jeff.  Indeed, I was not aware that this
>>>> would be
>>>> > primarily an e publication when I drafted the initial doc.  The
>>>> rest I
>>>> > think is addressible per my note a few minutes ago.
>>>> >
>>>> > I am open in the next 2 hours, can we say 1:45?
>>>> >
>>>> > -Greg
>>>> >
>>>> > Jeffrey Pepper wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > I am sorry.  I now see that Steve would be out Monday.  If you
>>>> all want to talk now, I can do it.
>>>> > Jeffrey M. Pepper
>>>> > Associate Publisher
>>>> > Apress Inc.
>>>> > 5331 Burriss Court
>>>> > Southport, NC 28461
>>>> > 910-363-4237
>>>> > ________________________________________
>>>> > From:
>>>> Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>
>>>> [Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>]
>>>>
>>>> > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 11:44 AM
>>>> > To: Steve Anglin
>>>> > Cc: Jeffrey Pepper
>>>> > Subject: Re: Sun / Apress Publishing Agreement Call
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks for the quick response, Steve!
>>>> >
>>>> > If you would prefer, we can also do some time this afternoon.  
>>>> Otherwise, I can work directly with Jeff or we could wait until
>>>> your return.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks!
>>>> >
>>>> > -Greg
>>>> >
>>>> > Steve Anglin wrote:
>>>> > Hi Greg,
>>>> >
>>>> > I'll be out on Monday. Maybe, the following Monday.
>>>> >
>>>> > Also, I've cc'd our director of firstPress and Associate
>>>> Publisher, Jeff Pepper, who is in best position to discuss such
>>>> things. He may be available.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks!
>>>> > Steve
>>>> > _______________________
>>>> > Steve Anglin, MSc
>>>> > Senior Acquisitions Editor
>>>> > Apress, Inc
>>>> > ________________________________
>>>> > From:
>>>> Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>
>>>> [Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>]
>>>>
>>>> > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 11:30 AM
>>>> > To: Steve Anglin
>>>> > Subject: Sun / Apress Publishing Agreement Call
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi Steve,
>>>> >
>>>> > I was forwarded your contact info by Chris Kutler.  I understand
>>>> your concerns with some of our edits and would like to schedule a
>>>> brief call sometime on Monday to discuss the form of agreement.  
>>>> The key concern for us is to be clear on the rights to continue
>>>> providing information to our community.  Of course, I also
>>>> understand that Apreess would not want Sun to reprint the book
>>>> verbatim in its entirety elsewhere.  I think we should be able to
>>>> balance these valid concerns and find an understanding.
>>>> >
>>>> > I am open any time on Monday with the exception of the 4-5pm slot.
>>>> >
>>>> > I look forward to working with you on finalizing this Agreement.
>>>> >
>>>> > All the best!
>>>> >
>>>> > -Greg
>>>> > --
>>>> >
>>>> [http://www.sun.com/emrkt/sigs/6g_top.gif]<http://www.sun.com><http://www.sun.com><http://www.sun.com><http://www.sun.com>  
>>>> Greg Vaisberg
>>>> > Products and Technology Law Group
>>>> >
>>>> > Sun Microsystems, Inc.
>>>> > 10 Network Circle, M/S UMPK 10-143
>>>> > Menlo Park, CA 94025 US
>>>> > Phone 650.351.6782
>>>> > Fax 650.786.6453
>>>> > Email
>>>> Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> >
>>>> [http://www.sun.com/emrkt/sigs/6g_top.gif]<http://www.sun.com><http://www.sun.com>  
>>>> Greg Vaisberg
>>>> > Products and Technology Law Group
>>>> >
>>>> > Sun Microsystems, Inc.
>>>> > 10 Network Circle, M/S UMPK 10-143
>>>> > Menlo Park, CA 94025 US
>>>> > Phone 650.351.6782
>>>> > Fax 650.786.6453
>>>> > Email
>>>> Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> >
>>>> [http://www.sun.com/emrkt/sigs/6g_top.gif]<http://www.sun.com><http://www.sun.com>  
>>>> Greg Vaisberg
>>>> > Products and Technology Law Group
>>>> >
>>>> > Sun Microsystems, Inc.
>>>> > 10 Network Circle, M/S UMPK 10-143
>>>> > Menlo Park, CA 94025 US
>>>> > Phone 650.351.6782
>>>> > Fax 650.786.6453
>>>> > Email
>>>> Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> >
>>>> [http://www.sun.com/emrkt/sigs/6g_top.gif]<http://www.sun.com><http://www.sun.com>  
>>>> Greg Vaisberg
>>>> > Products and Technology Law Group
>>>> >
>>>> > Sun Microsystems, Inc.
>>>> > 10 Network Circle, M/S UMPK 10-143
>>>> > Menlo Park, CA 94025 US
>>>> > Phone 650.351.6782
>>>> > Fax 650.786.6453
>>>> > Email
>>>> Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> >
>>>> [http://www.sun.com/emrkt/sigs/6g_top.gif]<http://www.sun.com><http://www.sun.com>  
>>>> Greg Vaisberg
>>>> > Products and Technology Law Group
>>>> >
>>>> > Sun Microsystems, Inc.
>>>> > 10 Network Circle, M/S UMPK 10-143
>>>> > Menlo Park, CA 94025 US
>>>> > Phone 650.351.6782
>>>> > Fax 650.786.6453
>>>> > Email
>>>> Greg.Vaisberg@...<mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...><mailto:Greg.Vaisberg@...>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>> --
>>>> <http://www.sun.com>     * Greg Vaisberg *
>>>> Products and Technology Law Group
>>>>
>>>> *Sun Microsystems, Inc.*
>>>> 10 Network Circle, M/S UMPK 10-143
>>>> Menlo Park, CA 94025 US
>>>> Phone 650.351.6782
>>>> Fax 650.786.6453
>>>> Email Greg.Vaisberg@...
>>>>
>>
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