Absolute premiere of a LilyPond typesetted work

[Francisco Vila-5]

Hello, this comes from the Spanish users list and I post it here for
future remainder.

A work from César Camarero entitled "Duración invisible" (Invisible
duration) for double orchestra and three soloists, is to be first
performed in the Auditorio Nacional in Madrid. The score is fully
typeset using LilyPond 2.12 (not by the author).

Madrid Autonomous Region Orchestra and Choir. Arbós Trio. José Ramón
Encinar, conductor.

http://www.auditorionacional.mcu.es/programacion/programacion_de_salas_obra?idObra=copy5_of_la-orcam-interpreta-mozart-colomer-y-orbon

Link to event in lastfm.es
http://www.lastfm.es/event/672673

I can hear you think, is the score available? No, it isn't, yet.

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Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain)
www.paconet.org


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[Valentin Villenave]

2009/5/8 Francisco Vila <paconet.org@...>:
> A work from César Camarero entitled "Duración invisible" (Invisible
> duration) for double orchestra and three soloists, is to be first
> performed in the Auditorio Nacional in Madrid. The score is fully
> typeset using LilyPond 2.12 (not by the author).

> I can hear you think, is the score available? No, it isn't, yet.

That is certainly good news. Who typeset the score? How is it licensed?

Regards,
Valentin


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[Francisco Vila-5]

2009/5/9 Valentin Villenave <v.villenave@...>:

> 2009/5/8 Francisco Vila <paconet.org@...>:
>> I can hear you think, is the score available? No, it isn't, yet.

> That is certainly good news. Who typeset the score? How is it licensed?

It was typeset by the pianist and composer Pascual Marchante. As for
the license of the score: well thougth, if it is not published at all,
how can it be licensed anyway? It is a copyrighted work, period. IIRC
it was commissioned by the Madrid autonomous community and maybe it
holds the whole rights.

That being said, I have proposed to Pascual to talk to the composer
and try him to license the score. I have mentioned your
double-licensed opera, cc licenses etc, but I think that sadly the
composer is not very willing to that.

Further details coming soon... Thanks for your interest!
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[Valentin Villenave]

2009/5/9 Francisco Vila <paconet.org@...>:
> It was typeset by the pianist and composer Pascual Marchante. As for
> the license of the score: well thougth, if it is not published at all,
> how can it be licensed anyway? It is a copyrighted work, period. IIRC
> it was commissioned by the Madrid autonomous community and maybe it
> holds the whole rights.

As you may remember, free-licensed works are copyrighted (since free
licenses precisely rely on copyright, for example to guarantee the
author's paternity right).

If it is not published, that is a very good reason to release it under
an alternate license, since the author is not bound to a publisher
(and the commissionner, AFAIK, should not hold any copyright on the
work).

> That being said, I have proposed to Pascual to talk to the composer
> and try him to license the score. I have mentioned your
> double-licensed opera, cc licenses etc, but I think that sadly the
> composer is not very willing to that.

That may imply that he's waiting for a publisher to step up and make
money with his work. Unfortunately, no free-licenses-friendly
structure can compete with that (yet).

Regards,
Valentin


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[Anthony W. Youngman]

In message
<eefe316d0905110537s44f4a356v5bccffb55eb8dd2d@...>, Valentin
Villenave <v.villenave@...> writes

>2009/5/9 Francisco Vila <paconet.org@...>:
>> It was typeset by the pianist and composer Pascual Marchante. As for
>> the license of the score: well thougth, if it is not published at all,
>> how can it be licensed anyway? It is a copyrighted work, period. IIRC
>> it was commissioned by the Madrid autonomous community and maybe it
>> holds the whole rights.
>
>As you may remember, free-licensed works are copyrighted (since free
>licenses precisely rely on copyright, for example to guarantee the
>author's paternity right).

Actually, I understand that isn't true ... What you say sounds American
- under European law I understand that that isn't a right, but a
requirement (reasonably enough). Under European law, an author may not
sign away the right to be identified as the author.
>
>If it is not published, that is a very good reason to release it under
>an alternate license, since the author is not bound to a publisher
>(and the commissionner, AFAIK, should not hold any copyright on the
>work).

Did the commissioner ask for it as "a work for hire"? Certainly an
employee's work belongs to the employer. By default, I think you're
right that copyright for a commissioned work remains with the author,
but that is often altered by the commission contract.

Oh - and under English law, afaik, an unpublished work can only be
published by the owner. There are a lot of cases of old diaries, of
immense historical interest, not being published because they never have
been in the past and the current owner refuses to. Despite the author,
in many cases, being dead for a century or two - not just 50 or 70 or
however many years copyright lasts nowadays ...

Cheers,
Wol
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[Francisco Vila-5]

I forgot to include the list in my last reply to Valentin:

2009/5/11 Valentin Villenave <v.villenave@...>:

> 2009/5/9 Francisco Vila <paconet.org@...>:
>> It was typeset by the pianist and composer Pascual Marchante. As for
>> the license of the score: well thougth, if it is not published at all,
>> how can it be licensed anyway? It is a copyrighted work, period. IIRC
>> it was commissioned by the Madrid autonomous community and maybe it
>> holds the whole rights.
>
> As you may remember, free-licensed works are copyrighted (since free
> licenses precisely rely on copyright, for example to guarantee the
> author's paternity right).

You're right!

But the Berne Convention states that unless explicitly stated
otherwise, all rights are reserved.

Therefore I could have said: copyrighted _and_ not copylefted. This is
a copyrighted work under the default restrictive, non-free meaning of
copyright.

If I can read on a work "This is copyright ---the author" and nothing
else, I understand that there is nothing good I can do with this work
without permission.  Free-licensed works have to state it explicitly,
do you agree?

[Answer from Valentin]:
Yes. Without any explicit mention, the most restrictive clauses apply.

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