Activity Camping Selection

[Greg Hetzler]

Hi

Can you mark if a camping weekend of trip, complies with the Camping MB
requirements?  I see the Cabin (C), the Summer Camp, but not a way to log
the specific Camping MB camping criteria.

 

 

 

Greg

Troop 101 Central NC Council

 

 

[Troop 322]

Greg,

 

The requirement states:

 

"Camp a total of at least 20 days and 20 nights. Sleep each night under the
sky or in a tent you have pitched. The 20 days and 20 nights must be at a
designated Scouting activity or event. You may use a week of long-term camp
toward this requirement. If the camp provides a tent that has already been
pitched, you need not pitch your own tent."

 

In TM, unless you indicate that a camping trip is either "Summer Camp" or
"Cabin Camping", then a camping trip would fall into the above requirement,
of course, allowing for 1 week of "Summer Camp".

 

At least, this is how I do it.

 

The same issue applies similarly to OA eligibility if memory serves me
correctly.

 

If someone out there has a better way to use and/or interpret TM's
activities, please, let me know.

 

Chuck

 

Charles (Chuck) Hardee
Scoutmaster, Troop 9322
Montgomery, MN

email: Troop322@...

 

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From: TMTUG@... [mailto:TMTUG@...] On Behalf Of Greg
Hetzler
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 10:42 AM
To: TMTUG@...
Subject: [TMTUG] Activity Camping Selection

 

 

Hi

Can you mark if a camping weekend of trip, complies with the Camping MB
requirements?  I see the Cabin (C), the Summer Camp, but not a way to log
the specific Camping MB camping criteria.

 

 

 

Greg

Troop 101 Central NC Council

 

 

[Greg Hetzler]

Hmmm, I'll have to go back and look at the MB book I was holding at the
store.  There was a need to meet two of a list of criteria, I believe,
during the campout hike 4 miles was one of them.  Alternatives included
substituting a Service project on the land, etc.

 

I guess I am unprepared : |, without the book in hand.

 

Thanks

 

 

 

Greg

ghetzler@...

[phone]

 

From: TMTUG@... [mailto:TMTUG@...] On Behalf Of
Troop 322
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 12:19 PM
To: TMTUG@...
Subject: RE: [TMTUG] Activity Camping Selection

 

 

Greg,

 

The requirement states:

 

"Camp a total of at least 20 days and 20 nights. Sleep each night under the
sky or in a tent you have pitched. The 20 days and 20 nights must be at a
designated Scouting activity or event. You may use a week of long-term camp
toward this requirement. If the camp provides a tent that has already been
pitched, you need not pitch your own tent."

 

In TM, unless you indicate that a camping trip is either "Summer Camp" or
"Cabin Camping", then a camping trip would fall into the above requirement,
of course, allowing for 1 week of "Summer Camp".

 

At least, this is how I do it.

 

The same issue applies similarly to OA eligibility if memory serves me
correctly.

 

If someone out there has a better way to use and/or interpret TM's
activities, please, let me know.

 

Chuck

 

Charles (Chuck) Hardee
Scoutmaster, Troop 9322
Montgomery, MN

email: Troop322@...

 

  _____  

From: TMTUG@... [mailto:TMTUG@...] On Behalf Of Greg
Hetzler
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 10:42 AM
To: TMTUG@...
Subject: [TMTUG] Activity Camping Selection

 

 

Hi

Can you mark if a camping weekend of trip, complies with the Camping MB
requirements?  I see the Cabin (C), the Summer Camp, but not a way to log
the specific Camping MB camping criteria.

 

 

 

Greg

Troop 101 Central NC Council

 

 

[David Wildschuetz]

I feel you're putting too much effort into this.  This is something that the Scout should be dealing with.  Provide him with a report showing his camping experience, and he will then work with his counselor to determine if he has met this requirement.  If the Scout uses the worksheets provided on meritbadge.com, he can list the overnights he has attended and present that to the MB counselor.

David




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Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 11:19:27 AM
Subject: RE: [TMTUG] Activity Camping Selection

 
Greg,
 
The requirement states:
 
“Camp a total of at least 20 days and 20 nights. Sleep each night under the sky or in a tent you have pitched. The 20 days and 20 nights must be at a designated Scouting activity or event. You may use a week of long-term camp toward this requirement. If the camp provides a tent that has already been pitched, you need not pitch your own tent.“
 
In TM, unless you indicate that a camping trip is either “Summer Camp” or “Cabin Camping”, then a camping trip would fall into the above requirement, of course, allowing for 1 week of “Summer Camp”.
 
At least, this is how I do it.
 
The same issue applies similarly to OA eligibility if memory serves me correctly.
 
If someone out there has a better way to use and/or interpret TM’s activities, please, let me know.
 
Chuck
 
Charles (Chuck) Hardee
Scoutmaster, Troop 9322
Montgomery , MN
email: Troop322@frontierne t.net
 

________________________________

From:TMTUG@yahoogroups. com [mailto: TMTUG@yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Greg Hetzler
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 10:42 AM
To: TMTUG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [TMTUG] Activity Camping Selection
 
 
Hi
Can you mark if a camping weekend of trip, complies with the Camping MB requirements?  I see the Cabin (C), the Summer Camp , but not a way to log the specific Camping MB camping criteria.
 
 
 
Greg
Troop 101 Central NC Council
 
 

[David Wildschuetz]

Yes, during any of the camping experiences, they must complete 2 of 6 listed activities, one of which was a 4-mile backpack, snowshoe or cross-country ski hike.  The others include hiking up a mountain gaining at least 1,000 feet, a bike hike of 15 miles or 4 hours, a non-motorized water trip of 4 hours or five miles, a overnight snow camping trip, and rapelling at least 30 feet.

The conservation project is a seperate and required requirement

David



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From: Greg Hetzler <hetz3@...>
To: TMTUG@...
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 12:03:40 PM
Subject: RE: [TMTUG] Activity Camping Selection

 
Hmmm, I’ll have to go back and look at the MB book I was holding at the store.  There was a need to meet two of a list of criteria, I believe, during the campout hike 4 miles was one of them.  Alternatives included substituting a Service project on the land, etc.
 
I guess I am unprepared : |, without the book in hand.
 
Thanks
 
 
 
Greg
ghetzler@clarksonal umni.com
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From:TMTUG@yahoogroups. com [mailto:TMTUG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Troop 322
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 12:19 PM
To: TMTUG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [TMTUG] Activity Camping Selection
 
 
Greg,
 
The requirement states:
 
“Camp a total of at least 20 days and 20 nights. Sleep each night under the sky or in a tent you have pitched. The 20 days and 20 nights must be at a designated Scouting activity or event. You may use a week of long-term camp toward this requirement. If the camp provides a tent that has already been pitched, you need not pitch your own tent.“
 
In TM, unless you indicate that a camping trip is either “ Summer Camp ” or “Cabin Camping”, then a camping trip would fall into the above requirement, of course, allowing for 1 week of “ Summer Camp ”.
 
At least, this is how I do it.
 
The same issue applies similarly to OA eligibility if memory serves me correctly.
 
If someone out there has a better way to use and/or interpret TM’s activities, please, let me know.
 
Chuck
 
Charles( Chuck ) Hardee
Scoutmaster, Troop 9322
Montgomery , MN
email: Troop322@frontierne t.net
 

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From:TMTUG@yahoogroups. com [mailto:TMTUG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Greg Hetzler
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 10:42 AM
To: TMTUG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [TMTUG] Activity Camping Selection
 
 
Hi
Can you mark if a camping weekend of trip, complies with the Camping MB requirements?  I see the Cabin (C), the Summer Camp , but not a way to log the specific Camping MB camping criteria.
 
 
 
Greg
Troop 101 Central NC Council
 
 

[Troop 322]

Greg,

 

Requirement 9 states:

Show experience in camping by doing the following:

A. Camp a total of at least 20 days and 20 nights. Sleep each night
under the sky or in a tent you have pitched. The 20 days and 20 nights must
be at a designated Scouting activity or event. You may use a week of
long-term camp toward this requirement. If the camp provides a tent that has
already been pitched, you need not pitch your own tent.
B. On any of these camping experiences, you must do TWO of the
following, only with proper preparation and under qualified supervision:

1. Hike up a mountain, gaining at least 1,000 vertical feet.
2. Backpack, snowshoe, or cross-country ski for at least 4 miles.
3. Take a bike trip of at least 15 miles or at least four hours.
4. Take a nonmotorized trip on the water of at least four hours or 5
miles.
5. Plan and carry out an overnight snow camping experience.
6. Rappel down a rappel route of 30 feet or more.

C. Perform a conservation project approved by the landowner or land
managing agency.

I only cited the camping portion as I thought that was what you were asking
about.

If you are going to attempt to record all activities for the camping merit
badge in TM, you will probably need to have user defined activities and then
have multiple activities defined for each trip, and then issue credits to
the Scouts that performed each activity.

 

However, now we are getting into the realm of who's responsibility is it to
keep track of documentation on a Scout by Scout basis for advancement?
Personally, I don't want to go there as it can become a very "heated", if
not opinionated, subject.

 

But, to answer you question with an example.

 

This weekend Troop 123 from Scouttown is going camping. On that trip, there
will be a 1 mile hike over Mt. Obstacle which runs 1250 feet high. The Troop
will be camping at the 100 foot elevation. While at the summit, the Scouts
will have an opportunity to rappel down a 47 foot cliff face.

 

In TM, define a camping trip for the weekend. Do not mark it as "Summer
Camp" or "Cabin Camping".

Add an activity type called "MB 9B1".

Add an activity type called "MB 9B6".

 

While on the trip, record all scouts that:

1)       went on the camping trip

2)       went on the hike

3)       rappelled down the cliff face

 

On return, in TM, credit all of the scouts that went on the trip for the
camping trip. Next, credit all the scouts that went on the hike. Finally,
credit all of the scouts that rappelled down the cliff.

 

Okay, not a lot of work, however, and this can become crucial. There is a
limited number of activities that can be defined. If you do this for too
many merit badges, you can't do more. If you define some, then, when you run
out you try to reclaim some of the old ones, you loose visibility of what
was done in the past versus what was done recently.

 

So, we're back at the question, who's responsibility is it to keep track of
what requirements have been fulfilled for advancement and their
documentation. Again, I am not interested in a discussion of this, I am just
pointing out items to consider.

 

If you want to record this info for the Scouts, then consider doing the
non-camping stuff outside of TM, say in Excel.

 

Good Luck,

Chuck

 

 

Charles (Chuck) Hardee
Scoutmaster, Troop 9322
Montgomery, MN

email: Troop322@...

 

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From: TMTUG@... [mailto:TMTUG@...] On Behalf Of Greg
Hetzler
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 12:04 PM
To: TMTUG@...
Subject: RE: [TMTUG] Activity Camping Selection

 

 

Hmmm, I'll have to go back and look at the MB book I was holding at the
store.  There was a need to meet two of a list of criteria, I believe,
during the campout hike 4 miles was one of them.  Alternatives included
substituting a Service project on the land, etc.

 

I guess I am unprepared : |, without the book in hand.

 

Thanks

 

 

 

Greg

ghetzler@clarksonal <mailto:ghetzler@...> umni.com

[phone]

 

From: TMTUG@... [mailto:TMTUG@...] On Behalf Of
Troop 322
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 12:19 PM
To: TMTUG@...
Subject: RE: [TMTUG] Activity Camping Selection

 

 

Greg,

 

The requirement states:

 

"Camp a total of at least 20 days and 20 nights. Sleep each night under the
sky or in a tent you have pitched. The 20 days and 20 nights must be at a
designated Scouting activity or event. You may use a week of long-term camp
toward this requirement. If the camp provides a tent that has already been
pitched, you need not pitch your own tent."

 

In TM, unless you indicate that a camping trip is either "Summer Camp" or
"Cabin Camping", then a camping trip would fall into the above requirement,
of course, allowing for 1 week of "Summer Camp".

 

At least, this is how I do it.

 

The same issue applies similarly to OA eligibility if memory serves me
correctly.

 

If someone out there has a better way to use and/or interpret TM's
activities, please, let me know.

 

Chuck

 

Charles (Chuck) Hardee
Scoutmaster, Troop 9322
Montgomery, MN

email: Troop322@...

 

  _____  

From: TMTUG@... [mailto:TMTUG@...] On Behalf Of Greg
Hetzler
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 10:42 AM
To: TMTUG@...
Subject: [TMTUG] Activity Camping Selection

 

 

Hi

Can you mark if a camping weekend of trip, complies with the Camping MB
requirements?  I see the Cabin (C), the Summer Camp, but not a way to log
the specific Camping MB camping criteria.

 

 

 

Greg

Troop 101 Central NC Council

 

 

[Ron Bagan]

Would putting "Camping MB Req 9B1, 9B2, etc" into the remarks field for the activity work for you?

Ron Bagan
SM Troop 299
Theodore Roosevelt Council, NY

[Greg Hetzler]

Thanks for the input, it is a good possibility.

 

Hmmm., I am writing, hesitantly, as I respect a previous comment concerning
making too much work, that I can appreciate.  I divide my troop committee
time between data input and co advancement chair, and with that, I had a
thought that our Scouts/ASMs/Patrol Advisors, may prepare better Campout
Activity plans if they can see past Campout achievements, other than just #
of nights/Cabin/Summer Camp.  I would like to avoid, (strike that, that is
negative), I would like to see elevated is to ensure Monthly
Outings/Campouts have learning.

 

. I think I have closure on the thought. TM, can a feature be added to the
camping activity, to record accomplishment of an achievement(s), and then
apply that to the attendees of the activity (campout)?  Currently you can
cross connect the camping with the "2nd or 1st class".  Maybe a broader
selection is worthy. MB Req 9B1, 9B2 etc may be a start.

 

Ron, thanks for your thought?  Maybe this is a better direction for,
everyone.

 

Back to Gilwell

 

Greg

 <mailto:ghetzler@...> ghetzler@...

[phone]

 

From: TMTUG@... [mailto:TMTUG@...] On Behalf Of
Bgn42
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 11:48 PM
To: TMTUG@...
Subject: [TMTUG] Re: Activity Camping Selection

 

 

Would putting "Camping MB Req 9B1, 9B2, etc" into the remarks field for the
activity work for you?

Ron Bagan
SM Troop 299
Theodore Roosevelt Council, NY

[hayes.robin1]

This may sound a bit too simplistic for the group, but we have our camping merit badge counselors keep track of each item of the merit badge on the blue card.  The only item followed on TM is the number of nights camping (use the needing merit badge option and key in camping and it tells you how many nights needed to complete camping merit badge).  Like any other merit badge, we only enter them as partial or complete.

Robin Hayes, Troop 961 Advancement chair


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Greg Hetzler
  To: TMTUG@...
  Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 10:33 AM
  Subject: RE: [TMTUG] Re: Activity Camping Selection


   
  Thanks for the input, it is a good possibility.



  Hmmm., I am writing, hesitantly, as I respect a previous comment concerning making too much work, that I can appreciate.  I divide my troop committee time between data input and co advancement chair, and with that, I had a thought that our Scouts/ASMs/Patrol Advisors, may prepare better Campout Activity plans if they can see past Campout achievements, other than just # of nights/Cabin/Summer Camp.  I would like to avoid, (strike that, that is negative), I would like to see elevated is to ensure Monthly Outings/Campouts have learning.



  . I think I have closure on the thought. TM, can a feature be added to the camping activity, to record accomplishment of an achievement(s), and then apply that to the attendees of the activity (campout)?  Currently you can cross connect the camping with the "2nd or 1st class".  Maybe a broader selection is worthy. MB Req 9B1, 9B2 etc may be a start.



  Ron, thanks for your thought?  Maybe this is a better direction for, everyone.



  Back to Gilwell



  Greg

  ghetzler@...

  [phone]



  From: TMTUG@... [mailto:TMTUG@...] On Behalf Of Bgn42
  Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 11:48 PM
  To: TMTUG@...
  Subject: [TMTUG] Re: Activity Camping Selection



   

  Would putting "Camping MB Req 9B1, 9B2, etc" into the remarks field for the activity work for you?

  Ron Bagan
  SM Troop 299
  Theodore Roosevelt Council, NY



 

Tom and Robin Hayes wrote:
> This may sound a bit too simplistic for the group, but we have our camping merit badge counselors keep track of each item of the merit badge on the blue card.  The only item followed on TM is the number of nights camping (use the needing merit badge option and key in camping and it tells you how many nights needed to complete camping merit badge).  Like any other merit badge, we only enter them as partial or complete.

Keeping track on the card is good.  The one thing that's different with
Camping
is that requirement 9 is generally done by the Scout attending Troop camping
trips that satisfy the several parts of the requirement.  The MB
counselor may not
know how many nights the Troop camped, or which outing was a snow camping
trip, or when they did a canoe trip.  I have this information in my
notes about
the event itself.  To get the information to the MB counselor, we
generally annotate
these in the remarks field for each Scout (we have a small troop).  
Every once in
a while when I'm looking over everything I check on how many Scouts have
attended camping trips for the required number of nights.

--
Glenn Holliday holliday@...

[simitroop303]

If a boy has completed the Merit Badge requirments it is his responsibility to be tracking it and meeting with his MBC to get it signed off. If you are doing it for the boy you are taking away a mojor part if the merit badge process. He should have a MB Book and a worksheet.