All Gems Down?

[Joshua Ballanco-2]

I think I must be the only one using allgems.ruby-forum.com. It seems  
to have been down for almost a week now. Anyone know what's up?

- Josh

[Josh Cheek]

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 1:04 AM, Joshua Ballanco <jballanc@...> wrote:

> I think I must be the only one using allgems.ruby-forum.com. It seems to
> have been down for almost a week now. Anyone know what's up?
>
> - Josh
>
>
Might have something to do with
"Gemcutter Is The New Official Default RubyGem Host"
http://www.rubyinside.com/gemcutter-is-the-new-official-default-rubygem-host-2659.html

- also Josh

[Joshua Ballanco-2]

On Nov 2, 2009, at 11:54 PM, Josh Cheek wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 1:04 AM, Joshua Ballanco <jballanc@...>  
> wrote:
>
>> I think I must be the only one using allgems.ruby-forum.com. It  
>> seems to
>> have been down for almost a week now. Anyone know what's up?
>>
>> - Josh
>>
>>
> Might have something to do with
> "Gemcutter Is The New Official Default RubyGem Host"
> http://www.rubyinside.com/gemcutter-is-the-new-official-default-rubygem-host-2659.html

Well, as much as I'd like to see allgems.ruby-forum.com functionality  
on gemcutter.org, it's not there yet. Allgems had hosted rdoc  
documentation for all gems (hence the title) in one spot. Much nicer  
than searching each projects individual locations for documentation.

- Josh

[Rick DeNatale]

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 3:19 AM, Joshua Ballanco <jballanc@...> wrote:

> Well, as much as I'd like to see allgems.ruby-forum.com functionality on
> gemcutter.org, it's not there yet. Allgems had hosted rdoc documentation for
> all gems (hence the title) in one spot. Much nicer than searching each
> projects individual locations for documentation.

Well, this new? site looks promising:

http://rdoc.info/


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[Jordi Bunster]

[spox]

On Monday 02 November 2009 11:04:17 pm Joshua Ballanco wrote:
> I think I must be the only one using allgems.ruby-forum.com. It seems
> to have been down for almost a week now. Anyone know what's up?
>
> - Josh

I'll see if I can get a hold of Roger Pack and see what's currently wrong with
the site. A new version of the site is currently being worked on that is able
to scale a bit better and is a bit faster. I'm hoping it should be rolling out
by this weekend.

- spox

[Joshua Ballanco-2]

On Nov 3, 2009, at 5:46 AM, Rick DeNatale wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 3:19 AM, Joshua Ballanco <jballanc@...>  
> wrote:
>
>> Well, as much as I'd like to see allgems.ruby-forum.com  
>> functionality on
>> gemcutter.org, it's not there yet. Allgems had hosted rdoc  
>> documentation for
>> all gems (hence the title) in one spot. Much nicer than searching  
>> each
>> projects individual locations for documentation.
>
> Well, this new? site looks promising:
>
> http://rdoc.info/

Ah, yes...but they're not using the Hanna RDoc template (http://github.com/mislav/hanna 
). That was Allgems killer feature!

- Josh

[Marnen Laibow-Koser]

Joshua Ballanco wrote:

> On Nov 3, 2009, at 5:46 AM, Rick DeNatale wrote:
>
>>
>> Well, this new? site looks promising:
>>
>> http://rdoc.info/
>
> Ah, yes...but they're not using the Hanna RDoc template
> (http://github.com/mislav/hanna
> ). That was Allgems killer feature!

I believe Gitrdoc uses Hanna, but it doesn't work as well as rdoc.info.

>
> - Josh

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[rogerdpack]

Joshua Ballanco wrote:
> I think I must be the only one using allgems.ruby-forum.com. It seems
> to have been down for almost a week now. Anyone know what's up?
>
> - Josh

Hope to be back up by tomorrow. Sorry for the downtime :)
-r
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[Joshua Ballanco-2]

On Nov 3, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Roger Pack wrote:

> Joshua Ballanco wrote:
>> I think I must be the only one using allgems.ruby-forum.com. It seems
>> to have been down for almost a week now. Anyone know what's up?
>>
>> - Josh
>
> Hope to be back up by tomorrow. Sorry for the downtime :)
> -r

No worries! Allgems is easily the best free service I've ever used...  
In fact, I'd pay (especially if the search functionality worked across  
gems)! ;-)

Cheers,

Josh

[rogerdpack]

>
> No worries! Allgems is easily the best free service I've ever used...
> In fact, I'd pay (especially if the search functionality worked across
> gems)! ;-)

Wow just for that I'll keep it running just for you :)
The current code base is under some serious modification but hopes to be
even better http://github.com/spox/allgems

What type of search would you like exactly? (like it searches
descriptions, as well? source code?)
-r
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[Joshua Ballanco-2]

On Nov 5, 2009, at 7:18 AM, Roger Pack wrote:

>
>>
>> No worries! Allgems is easily the best free service I've ever used...
>> In fact, I'd pay (especially if the search functionality worked  
>> across
>> gems)! ;-)
>
> Wow just for that I'll keep it running just for you :)
> The current code base is under some serious modification but hopes  
> to be
> even better http://github.com/spox/allgems
>
> What type of search would you like exactly? (like it searches
> descriptions, as well? source code?)

Hey, awesome! I didn't realize the code was on GitHub... If/when I get  
some time I'll have to give a look. As for searching, there are two  
improvements I'd love to see: 1. Filtering of Classes the same way you  
can filter methods. For methods, the search is nice for  
discoverability. For classes, I'd like the search just so that my  
scrolling finger doesn't get tired on some of the larger gems. 2. An  
across gem search. Honestly something like what ri can do across  
classes would be enough. When I see an unfamiliar 'zabraboof' method,  
instead of having to go back through the source to find what all gems  
were included at any point, it'd be nice to be able to go to Allgems  
and just search for it.

Finally, as a sort of "out-there" suggestion... I got to thinking how  
nice it would be to have a sort of "personalized" Allgems page. What  
I'm imagining is a combination of some very basic (unauthenticated,  
even) account tracking on the web app combined with a gem plugin. The  
plugin would get a list of the gems installed on your system and push  
them to Allgems. Then you could log-in to Allgems and see only the  
documentation for the gems you currently have installed. Just an idea...

Cheers, and keep up the good work!

- Josh

[rogerdpack]

> Then you could log-in to Allgems and see only the
> documentation for the gems you currently have installed. Just an idea...

Oh wow that would be awesome.  Something like
$ allgems sync # tells it that user x currently has gems y

Thanks for the feedback!
-r
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[Daniel Berger-2]

On Nov 5, 12:33 pm, Roger Pack <rogerpack2...@...> wrote:
> > Then you could log-in to Allgems and see only the
> > documentation for the gems you currently have installed. Just an idea...
>
> Oh wow that would be awesome.  Something like
> $ allgems sync # tells it that user x currently has gems y

On an unrelated note, how did you generate that pretty backtrace
information? Looks slick.

Regards,

Dan

[rogerdpack]

Dan Berger wrote:

> On an unrelated note, how did you generate that pretty backtrace
> information? Looks slick.

Hmm. Where is the slick backtrace again?

Joshua ballanco wrote:

> there are two
> improvements I'd love to see: 1. Filtering of Classes the same way you
> can filter methods. For methods, the search is nice for
> discoverability.

Yeah I pinged mislav about this once and he said it was in the works for
a future revision of hanna, so hopefully we'll see it (it's high on my
own wish list, too, especially for core which has so many classes)

> 2. An
> across gem search. Honestly something like what ri can do across
> classes would be enough. When I see an unfamiliar 'zabraboof' method,
> instead of having to go back through the source to find what all gems
> were included at any point, it'd be nice to be able to go to Allgems
> and just search for it.

so this is just "search for method name x" and it finds the gem that
contains it?

> Finally, as a sort of "out-there" suggestion... I got to thinking how
> nice it would be to have a sort of "personalized" Allgems page. What
> I'm imagining is a combination of some very basic (unauthenticated,
> even) account tracking on the web app combined with a gem plugin. The
> plugin would get a list of the gems installed on your system and push
> them to Allgems. Then you could log-in to Allgems and see only the
> documentation for the gems you currently have installed. Just an idea...

So this would be instead of the "massive list" a smaller list with just
installed gems?
Would something unauthenticated and privacy invasive like
/username [you specify it] be enough?
Thanks!
-r
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[Joshua Ballanco-2]

On Nov 7, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Roger Pack wrote:

> Dan Berger wrote:
>
>> On an unrelated note, how did you generate that pretty backtrace
>> information? Looks slick.
>
> Hmm. Where is the slick backtrace again?

I think perhaps he means the spew from Passenger... I have to admit, Passenger's error panes always made me feel just a tiny bit less rage at seeing that something was broken.

>> across gem search. Honestly something like what ri can do across
>> classes would be enough. When I see an unfamiliar 'zabraboof' method,
>> instead of having to go back through the source to find what all gems
>> were included at any point, it'd be nice to be able to go to Allgems
>> and just search for it.
>
> so this is just "search for method name x" and it finds the gem that
> contains it?

Yup, that would be awesome.

>> Finally, as a sort of "out-there" suggestion... I got to thinking how
>> nice it would be to have a sort of "personalized" Allgems page. What
>> I'm imagining is a combination of some very basic (unauthenticated,
>> even) account tracking on the web app combined with a gem plugin. The
>> plugin would get a list of the gems installed on your system and push
>> them to Allgems. Then you could log-in to Allgems and see only the
>> documentation for the gems you currently have installed. Just an idea...
>
> So this would be instead of the "massive list" a smaller list with just
> installed gems?
> Would something unauthenticated and privacy invasive like
> /username [you specify it] be enough?

Yeah. Actually, I don't think it has to be "/username" specifically. It could be any custom string. I don't think there's a need for any authentication/privacy either, since any gem indexed by Allgems is, by definition, publicly available. Actually, I'm thinking these lists could be something to share with friends/co-workers (i.e. like Twitter lists). They might even serve as a useful way to collect a group of related gems (and maybe, with some Gem Bundler collaboration-foo, to install them as well)...so you could, for example, have the "Rails App with Avatar Thumbnail" package which might include Rails+dependencies, RMagick+dependencies, and Paperclip. Then the web page gives you one location to see documentation for just those gems.

Just an idea...

- Josh