Any major sites out there on FB?

[Duncan-3]

Hi all,

Before I ask the question - I want to point out I am a FB user of many
years, and a convert, however I just moved companies and I am among sceptics
who have diligently been building an app in a very random fashion.

I believe its time to start again - and I also believe that FB is the way to
go. They arent OO coders (so mach-II is out), and they are pretty smart, so
I dont think it will be a big task for them to grasp.

Its a global i18n app in its infancy really, and the language implementation
isnt great by any stretch of the imagination. And there are many other
problems that exist that I am trying to find ways of straightening out.

I need some ammo to help get FB in the minds of those that count. Firstly I
need to have some proof of major sites that use FB. Something on a global
scale, prefereably i18n as well.

Second one of the big problems right now is templates of 3000 ish lines (!).
Now these templates get locked in to a process of project SDLC and another
project cant get in there and progress to production without project one
getting there first or at the same time. From a FB point of view how do you
deal with this?

Third - I am aware that there is a need to have FB4.1 in development mode
whilst developing. My last company had 3 developers on one FB box, and it
got frustrating at times because requests overlapped and the compile couldnt
keep up. With 9 developers now, what model would we need to adopt with VSS
(I am open to moving to CVS or similar) to allow developers to work
smoothly?

I know its a lot, but the size of the team and the magnitude of the problem
I face is nothing like I have seen before.

--
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www.sixfive.co.uk <http://www.sixfive.co.uk>
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[Mike Soultanian]

myspace.com  - I think it's the 4th largest site on the web.
Unfortunately, I don't know the internal workings of their site
development.

Mike

Duncan wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Before I ask the question - I want to point out I am a FB user of many
> years, and a convert, however I just moved companies and I am among sceptics
> who have diligently been building an app in a very random fashion.
>
> I believe its time to start again - and I also believe that FB is the way to
> go. They arent OO coders (so mach-II is out), and they are pretty smart, so
> I dont think it will be a big task for them to grasp.
>
> Its a global i18n app in its infancy really, and the language implementation
> isnt great by any stretch of the imagination. And there are many other
> problems that exist that I am trying to find ways of straightening out.
>
> I need some ammo to help get FB in the minds of those that count. Firstly I
> need to have some proof of major sites that use FB. Something on a global
> scale, prefereably i18n as well.
>
> Second one of the big problems right now is templates of 3000 ish lines (!).
> Now these templates get locked in to a process of project SDLC and another
> project cant get in there and progress to production without project one
> getting there first or at the same time. From a FB point of view how do you
> deal with this?
>
> Third - I am aware that there is a need to have FB4.1 in development mode
> whilst developing. My last company had 3 developers on one FB box, and it
> got frustrating at times because requests overlapped and the compile couldnt
> keep up. With 9 developers now, what model would we need to adopt with VSS
> (I am open to moving to CVS or similar) to allow developers to work
> smoothly?
>
> I know its a lot, but the size of the team and the magnitude of the problem
> I face is nothing like I have seen before.
>
> --
> Duncan I Loxton
> www.sixfive.co.uk <http://www.sixfive.co.uk>
> duncan.loxton@...
>
> "I can only please one person per day. Today is not looking good. Tomorrow
> isn't looking much better." Dilbert
>
>
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[Duncan-3]

Thanks Mike - I am looking for ideas on how to deal with these problems, not
specifically from myspace.

On 11/10/05, Mike Soultanian <msoultan@...> wrote:

>
> myspace.com <http://myspace.com> - I think it's the 4th largest site on
> the web.
> Unfortunately, I don't know the internal workings of their site
> development.
>
> Mike
>
> Duncan wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Before I ask the question - I want to point out I am a FB user of many
> > years, and a convert, however I just moved companies and I am among
> sceptics
> > who have diligently been building an app in a very random fashion.
> >
> > I believe its time to start again - and I also believe that FB is the
> way to
> > go. They arent OO coders (so mach-II is out), and they are pretty smart,
> so
> > I dont think it will be a big task for them to grasp.
> >
> > Its a global i18n app in its infancy really, and the language
> implementation
> > isnt great by any stretch of the imagination. And there are many other
> > problems that exist that I am trying to find ways of straightening out.
> >
> > I need some ammo to help get FB in the minds of those that count.
> Firstly I
> > need to have some proof of major sites that use FB. Something on a
> global
> > scale, prefereably i18n as well.
> >
> > Second one of the big problems right now is templates of 3000 ish lines
> (!).
> > Now these templates get locked in to a process of project SDLC and
> another
> > project cant get in there and progress to production without project one
> > getting there first or at the same time. From a FB point of view how do
> you
> > deal with this?
> >
> > Third - I am aware that there is a need to have FB4.1 in development
> mode
> > whilst developing. My last company had 3 developers on one FB box, and
> it
> > got frustrating at times because requests overlapped and the compile
> couldnt
> > keep up. With 9 developers now, what model would we need to adopt with
> VSS
> > (I am open to moving to CVS or similar) to allow developers to work
> > smoothly?
> >
> > I know its a lot, but the size of the team and the magnitude of the
> problem
> > I face is nothing like I have seen before.
> >
> > --
> > Duncan I Loxton
> > www.sixfive.co.uk <http://www.sixfive.co.uk> <http://www.sixfive.co.uk>
> > duncan.loxton@...
> >
> > "I can only please one person per day. Today is not looking good.
> Tomorrow
> > isn't looking much better." Dilbert
> >
> >
> >
>
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[gabriel l smallman]

I think you have to have each developer with there own installation or its
madding. Which would force you to a cvs implementation. Which with a team
that size is prob. The way you want to go.

Gabe

www.ufc.tv


-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan [mailto:duncan.loxton@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 4:09 PM
To: Fusebox
Subject: Any major sites out there on FB?

Hi all,

Before I ask the question - I want to point out I am a FB user of many
years, and a convert, however I just moved companies and I am among sceptics
who have diligently been building an app in a very random fashion.

I believe its time to start again - and I also believe that FB is the way to
go. They arent OO coders (so mach-II is out), and they are pretty smart, so
I dont think it will be a big task for them to grasp.

Its a global i18n app in its infancy really, and the language implementation
isnt great by any stretch of the imagination. And there are many other
problems that exist that I am trying to find ways of straightening out.

I need some ammo to help get FB in the minds of those that count. Firstly I
need to have some proof of major sites that use FB. Something on a global
scale, prefereably i18n as well.

Second one of the big problems right now is templates of 3000 ish lines (!).
Now these templates get locked in to a process of project SDLC and another
project cant get in there and progress to production without project one
getting there first or at the same time. From a FB point of view how do you
deal with this?

Third - I am aware that there is a need to have FB4.1 in development mode
whilst developing. My last company had 3 developers on one FB box, and it
got frustrating at times because requests overlapped and the compile couldnt
keep up. With 9 developers now, what model would we need to adopt with VSS
(I am open to moving to CVS or similar) to allow developers to work
smoothly?

I know its a lot, but the size of the team and the magnitude of the problem
I face is nothing like I have seen before.

--
Duncan I Loxton
www.sixfive.co.uk <http://www.sixfive.co.uk> duncan.loxton@...

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isn't looking much better." Dilbert




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[Duncan-3]

Gabe, could you expand on this slightly? I understand that we should
probably go to a situation where each developer will have to have an
installation (perhaps work locally). How does the CVS bit fit in? They cant
check out individual files because changes from the other team members wont
get pushed to their version. Therefore the local version is always out of
synch.

On 11/11/05, gabriel l smallman <gabe@...> wrote:

>
> I think you have to have each developer with there own installation or its
> madding. Which would force you to a cvs implementation. Which with a team
> that size is prob. The way you want to go.
>
> Gabe
>
> www.ufc.tv <http://www.ufc.tv>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duncan [mailto:duncan.loxton@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 4:09 PM
> To: Fusebox
> Subject: Any major sites out there on FB?
>
> Hi all,
>
> Before I ask the question - I want to point out I am a FB user of many
> years, and a convert, however I just moved companies and I am among
> sceptics
> who have diligently been building an app in a very random fashion.
>
> I believe its time to start again - and I also believe that FB is the way
> to
> go. They arent OO coders (so mach-II is out), and they are pretty smart,
> so
> I dont think it will be a big task for them to grasp.
>
> Its a global i18n app in its infancy really, and the language
> implementation
> isnt great by any stretch of the imagination. And there are many other
> problems that exist that I am trying to find ways of straightening out.
>
> I need some ammo to help get FB in the minds of those that count. Firstly
> I
> need to have some proof of major sites that use FB. Something on a global
> scale, prefereably i18n as well.
>
> Second one of the big problems right now is templates of 3000 ish lines
> (!).
> Now these templates get locked in to a process of project SDLC and another
> project cant get in there and progress to production without project one
> getting there first or at the same time. From a FB point of view how do
> you
> deal with this?
>
> Third - I am aware that there is a need to have FB4.1 in development mode
> whilst developing. My last company had 3 developers on one FB box, and it
> got frustrating at times because requests overlapped and the compile
> couldnt
> keep up. With 9 developers now, what model would we need to adopt with VSS
> (I am open to moving to CVS or similar) to allow developers to work
> smoothly?
>
> I know its a lot, but the size of the team and the magnitude of the
> problem
> I face is nothing like I have seen before.
>
> --
> Duncan I Loxton
> www.sixfive.co.uk <http://www.sixfive.co.uk> <http://www.sixfive.co.uk>
> duncan.loxton@...
>
> "I can only please one person per day. Today is not looking good. Tomorrow
> isn't looking much better." Dilbert
>
>
>
>
>

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[gabriel l smallman]

I was thinking each person would have there own install and publish to a
development server. Cvs would manage the in/out and merging of files as
people brought them back and published them. So developers would sync with
the dev. Machine, then push changes to a staging machine where q&a is done.
Just a thought

g

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan [mailto:duncan.loxton@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 5:29 PM
To: Fusebox
Subject: Re: Any major sites out there on FB?

Gabe, could you expand on this slightly? I understand that we should
probably go to a situation where each developer will have to have an
installation (perhaps work locally). How does the CVS bit fit in? They cant
check out individual files because changes from the other team members wont
get pushed to their version. Therefore the local version is always out of
synch.

On 11/11/05, gabriel l smallman <gabe@...> wrote:

>
> I think you have to have each developer with there own installation or
> its madding. Which would force you to a cvs implementation. Which with
> a team that size is prob. The way you want to go.
>
> Gabe
>
> www.ufc.tv <http://www.ufc.tv>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duncan [mailto:duncan.loxton@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 4:09 PM
> To: Fusebox
> Subject: Any major sites out there on FB?
>
> Hi all,
>
> Before I ask the question - I want to point out I am a FB user of many
> years, and a convert, however I just moved companies and I am among
> sceptics who have diligently been building an app in a very random
> fashion.
>
> I believe its time to start again - and I also believe that FB is the
> way to go. They arent OO coders (so mach-II is out), and they are
> pretty smart, so I dont think it will be a big task for them to grasp.
>
> Its a global i18n app in its infancy really, and the language
> implementation isnt great by any stretch of the imagination. And there
> are many other problems that exist that I am trying to find ways of
> straightening out.
>
> I need some ammo to help get FB in the minds of those that count.
> Firstly I need to have some proof of major sites that use FB.
> Something on a global scale, prefereably i18n as well.
>
> Second one of the big problems right now is templates of 3000 ish
> lines (!).
> Now these templates get locked in to a process of project SDLC and
> another project cant get in there and progress to production without
> project one getting there first or at the same time. From a FB point
> of view how do you deal with this?
>
> Third - I am aware that there is a need to have FB4.1 in development
> mode whilst developing. My last company had 3 developers on one FB
> box, and it got frustrating at times because requests overlapped and
> the compile couldnt keep up. With 9 developers now, what model would
> we need to adopt with VSS (I am open to moving to CVS or similar) to
> allow developers to work smoothly?
>
> I know its a lot, but the size of the team and the magnitude of the
> problem I face is nothing like I have seen before.
>
> --
> Duncan I Loxton
> www.sixfive.co.uk <http://www.sixfive.co.uk>
> <http://www.sixfive.co.uk> duncan.loxton@...
>
> "I can only please one person per day. Today is not looking good.
> Tomorrow isn't looking much better." Dilbert
>
>
>
>
>

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[jeff-10]

As for high-visibility Fusebox implementations, here are a few for
references:

RoomsToGo.com
Many U.S. Senators (frist.senate.gov, specter.senate.gov, hagel,
bunning, burr, etc., etc.)
Many U.S. Representatives & committees (linder.house.gov, jeffmiller,
appropriations, etc.)
AT&T Business Internet Services Help Center
(https://help.attbusiness.net/index.cfm?*fuseaction*=downloads.home)
U.S. Government's EnergyStar program  (www.energystar.gov)
Canon in South & Southeast Asia (JSP Fusebox)  
(http://www.canon-asia.com/index.jsp?fuseaction=digitalcamera)
MySpace.com (one of the highest traffic sites on the net; parts of their
site are Fusebox) (music.myspace.com/index.cfm?*fuseaction*=music)
NORAD (www.norad.mil)

- Jeff

gabriel l smallman wrote:

> I think you have to have each developer with there own installation or its
> madding. Which would force you to a cvs implementation. Which with a team
> that size is prob. The way you want to go.
>
> Gabe
>
> www.ufc.tv
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duncan [mailto:duncan.loxton@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 4:09 PM
> To: Fusebox
> Subject: Any major sites out there on FB?
>
> Hi all,
>
> Before I ask the question - I want to point out I am a FB user of many
> years, and a convert, however I just moved companies and I am among sceptics
> who have diligently been building an app in a very random fashion.
>
> I believe its time to start again - and I also believe that FB is the way to
> go. They arent OO coders (so mach-II is out), and they are pretty smart, so
> I dont think it will be a big task for them to grasp.
>
> Its a global i18n app in its infancy really, and the language implementation
> isnt great by any stretch of the imagination. And there are many other
> problems that exist that I am trying to find ways of straightening out.
>
> I need some ammo to help get FB in the minds of those that count. Firstly I
> need to have some proof of major sites that use FB. Something on a global
> scale, prefereably i18n as well.
>
> Second one of the big problems right now is templates of 3000 ish lines (!).
> Now these templates get locked in to a process of project SDLC and another
> project cant get in there and progress to production without project one
> getting there first or at the same time. From a FB point of view how do you
> deal with this?
>
> Third - I am aware that there is a need to have FB4.1 in development mode
> whilst developing. My last company had 3 developers on one FB box, and it
> got frustrating at times because requests overlapped and the compile couldnt
> keep up. With 9 developers now, what model would we need to adopt with VSS
> (I am open to moving to CVS or similar) to allow developers to work
> smoothly?
>
> I know its a lot, but the size of the team and the magnitude of the problem
> I face is nothing like I have seen before.
>
> --
> Duncan I Loxton
> www.sixfive.co.uk <http://www.sixfive.co.uk> duncan.loxton@...
>
> "I can only please one person per day. Today is not looking good. Tomorrow
> isn't looking much better." Dilbert
>
>
>
>
>

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[Duncan-3]

Great info thanks everyone!

So whats the general concensus on working with FB in a team of 10 or so?
Does it make it easier to prgress multiple projects at the same time or do
you end up in more of a tangle with files in different versions than an app
w/o FB?

On 11/11/05, Jeff Peters <jeff@...> wrote:

>
> As for high-visibility Fusebox implementations, here are a few for
> references:
>
> RoomsToGo.com
> Many U.S. Senators (frist.senate.gov <http://frist.senate.gov>,
> specter.senate.gov <http://specter.senate.gov>, hagel,
> bunning, burr, etc., etc.)
> Many U.S. Representatives & committees (linder.house.gov<http://linder.house.gov>,
> jeffmiller,
> appropriations, etc.)
> AT&T Business Internet Services Help Center
> (https://help.attbusiness.net/index.cfm?*fuseaction*=downloads.home)
> U.S. Government's EnergyStar program (www.energystar.gov<http://www.energystar.gov>
> )
> Canon in South & Southeast Asia (JSP Fusebox)
> (http://www.canon-asia.com/index.jsp?fuseaction=digitalcamera)
> MySpace.com (one of the highest traffic sites on the net; parts of their
> site are Fusebox) (music.myspace.com/index.cfm?*fuseaction*=music<http://music.myspace.com/index.cfm?*fuseaction*=music>
> )
> NORAD (www.norad.mil <http://www.norad.mil>)
>
> - Jeff
>
> gabriel l smallman wrote:
> > I think you have to have each developer with there own installation or
> its
> > madding. Which would force you to a cvs implementation. Which with a
> team
> > that size is prob. The way you want to go.
> >
> > Gabe
> >
> > www.ufc.tv <http://www.ufc.tv>
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Duncan [mailto:duncan.loxton@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 4:09 PM
> > To: Fusebox
> > Subject: Any major sites out there on FB?
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Before I ask the question - I want to point out I am a FB user of many
> > years, and a convert, however I just moved companies and I am among
> sceptics
> > who have diligently been building an app in a very random fashion.
> >
> > I believe its time to start again - and I also believe that FB is the
> way to
> > go. They arent OO coders (so mach-II is out), and they are pretty smart,
> so
> > I dont think it will be a big task for them to grasp.
> >
> > Its a global i18n app in its infancy really, and the language
> implementation
> > isnt great by any stretch of the imagination. And there are many other
> > problems that exist that I am trying to find ways of straightening out.
> >
> > I need some ammo to help get FB in the minds of those that count.
> Firstly I
> > need to have some proof of major sites that use FB. Something on a
> global
> > scale, prefereably i18n as well.
> >
> > Second one of the big problems right now is templates of 3000 ish lines
> (!).
> > Now these templates get locked in to a process of project SDLC and
> another
> > project cant get in there and progress to production without project one
> > getting there first or at the same time. From a FB point of view how do
> you
> > deal with this?
> >
> > Third - I am aware that there is a need to have FB4.1 in development
> mode
> > whilst developing. My last company had 3 developers on one FB box, and
> it
> > got frustrating at times because requests overlapped and the compile
> couldnt
> > keep up. With 9 developers now, what model would we need to adopt with
> VSS
> > (I am open to moving to CVS or similar) to allow developers to work
> > smoothly?
> >
> > I know its a lot, but the size of the team and the magnitude of the
> problem
> > I face is nothing like I have seen before.
> >
> > --
> > Duncan I Loxton
> > www.sixfive.co.uk <http://www.sixfive.co.uk> <http://www.sixfive.co.uk>
> duncan.loxton@...
> >
> > "I can only please one person per day. Today is not looking good.
> Tomorrow
> > isn't looking much better." Dilbert
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan [mailto:duncan.loxton@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 5:29 PM
To: Fusebox
Subject: Re: Any major sites out there on FB?

Gabe, could you expand on this slightly? I understand that we should
probably go to a situation where each developer will have to have an
installation (perhaps work locally). How does the CVS bit fit in? They cant
check out individual files because changes from the other team members wont
get pushed to their version. Therefore the local version is always out of
synch.

On 11/11/05, gabriel l smallman <gabe@...> wrote:

>
> I think you have to have each developer with there own installation or
> its madding. Which would force you to a cvs implementation. Which with
> a team that size is prob. The way you want to go.
>
> Gabe
>
> www.ufc.tv <http://www.ufc.tv>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duncan [mailto:duncan.loxton@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 4:09 PM
> To: Fusebox
> Subject: Any major sites out there on FB?
>
> Hi all,
>
> Before I ask the question - I want to point out I am a FB user of many
> years, and a convert, however I just moved companies and I am among
> sceptics who have diligently been building an app in a very random
> fashion.
>
> I believe its time to start again - and I also believe that FB is the
> way to go. They arent OO coders (so mach-II is out), and they are
> pretty smart, so I dont think it will be a big task for them to grasp.
>
> Its a global i18n app in its infancy really, and the language
> implementation isnt great by any stretch of the imagination. And there
> are many other problems that exist that I am trying to find ways of
> straightening out.
>
> I need some ammo to help get FB in the minds of those that count.
> Firstly I need to have some proof of major sites that use FB.
> Something on a global scale, prefereably i18n as well.
>
> Second one of the big problems right now is templates of 3000 ish
> lines (!).
> Now these templates get locked in to a process of project SDLC and
> another project cant get in there and progress to production without
> project one getting there first or at the same time. From a FB point
> of view how do you deal with this?
>
> Third - I am aware that there is a need to have FB4.1 in development
> mode whilst developing. My last company had 3 developers on one FB
> box, and it got frustrating at times because requests overlapped and
> the compile couldnt keep up. With 9 developers now, what model would
> we need to adopt with VSS (I am open to moving to CVS or similar) to
> allow developers to work smoothly?
>
> I know its a lot, but the size of the team and the magnitude of the
> problem I face is nothing like I have seen before.
>
> --
> Duncan I Loxton
> www.sixfive.co.uk <http://www.sixfive.co.uk>
> <http://www.sixfive.co.uk> duncan.loxton@...
>
> "I can only please one person per day. Today is not looking good.
> Tomorrow isn't looking much better." Dilbert
>
>
>
>
>

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[Mark Kecko]

I wrote a FB4.1 app that has worked fine for about 6 months.  Recently
something was introduced or something changed that's causing jrun errors
on the site. Something happens that causes the FB runtime file to start
taking a long time, 500ms or so, then requests start queueing up, then
jrun error.

I've combed the CF application logs with little success. Everything is
index.cfm! What's the best way to troubleshoot this app without having
to tear it apart?

Maybe I need to rub the budda ;)

Mark Kecko
Technology Director
MediaPost Communications
mark@...
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[jeff-10]

In terms of file version control, Fusebox is no more prone to problems
than other approaches.

FB does make a project much easier to approach in teams, because the
files are much smaller, allowing developers to work in parallel instead
of waiting for each other to finish with large, multi-purpose files
(assuming pessimistic version control--see next paragraph).

Any development team must use version control of some kind.  Otherwise,
changes will be lost at some point.  My team uses the model Gabe
described: each developer has a local implementation of the application,
and the code base is stored in a version control system.  We use a
locking (pessimistic) VCS, which means when I check out a file, no one
else can make changes until I check it back in.  Other VCS systems use
an optimistic model, in which anyone can work on any file at any time;
when you check a file in, the VCS compares it with the official version
and allows you to merge any changes.  The pessimistic model is fine for
smaller teams that work in constant communication with one another: if
someone forgets to check a file in (or release its lock), the project
manager can kick him in the head and make him unlock it.  The optimistic
model is more flexible for larger or geographically diverse development
teams (which is why it is more popular with most OSS projects).

- Jeff

Duncan wrote:
> Great info thanks everyone!
>
> So whats the general concensus on working with FB in a team of 10 or so?
> Does it make it easier to prgress multiple projects at the same time or do
> you end up in more of a tangle with files in different versions than an app
> w/o FB?
>  



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[Sean Corfield]

On 11/11/05, Mark Kecko <mark@...> wrote:
> I wrote a FB4.1 app that has worked fine for about 6 months.  Recently
> something was introduced or something changed that's causing jrun errors
> on the site. Something happens that causes the FB runtime file to start
> taking a long time, 500ms or so, then requests start queueing up, then
> jrun error.

I'd start by enabling all the verbose GC options on jvm.args and
enabling monitoring in the JRun logs so you can get a sense of what
the memory / session usage is when the problem manifests.

I'd also enable the log slow pages option in the CF Admin (log
everything taking over 1 second perhaps).

That might at least give you a little bit more information about
patterns of usage around the time of failure.
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[gabriel l smallman]

Issue is with pipe and filter approach the only info you get in the log is

Index.cfm to 72 seconds to run.

Which doesn't tell you what circuit/fuse was causing the issue. Anyone got a
work around?

g

-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfield@...]
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 9:03 PM
To: Fusebox
Subject: Re: Debugging

On 11/11/05, Mark Kecko <mark@...> wrote:
> I wrote a FB4.1 app that has worked fine for about 6 months.  Recently
> something was introduced or something changed that's causing jrun
> errors on the site. Something happens that causes the FB runtime file
> to start taking a long time, 500ms or so, then requests start queueing
> up, then jrun error.

I'd start by enabling all the verbose GC options on jvm.args and enabling
monitoring in the JRun logs so you can get a sense of what the memory /
session usage is when the problem manifests.

I'd also enable the log slow pages option in the CF Admin (log everything
taking over 1 second perhaps).

That might at least give you a little bit more information about patterns of
usage around the time of failure.
--
Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/
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[Duncan-3]

Thanks Jeff, that the kind of info I was after. I think that as we arent
geographically 'challenged', only by the dividers between desks, the locking
system we have in place now would be the way to continue. If we were to move
to the other system and FB at the same time we would open up a can o' worms.


Can VCS be an effective way to progress projects and files through the SDLC
environments to production?

On 11/12/05, Jeff Peters <jeff@...> wrote:

>
> In terms of file version control, Fusebox is no more prone to problems
> than other approaches.
>
> FB does make a project much easier to approach in teams, because the
> files are much smaller, allowing developers to work in parallel instead
> of waiting for each other to finish with large, multi-purpose files
> (assuming pessimistic version control--see next paragraph).
>
> Any development team must use version control of some kind. Otherwise,
> changes will be lost at some point. My team uses the model Gabe
> described: each developer has a local implementation of the application,
> and the code base is stored in a version control system. We use a
> locking (pessimistic) VCS, which means when I check out a file, no one
> else can make changes until I check it back in. Other VCS systems use
> an optimistic model, in which anyone can work on any file at any time;
> when you check a file in, the VCS compares it with the official version
> and allows you to merge any changes. The pessimistic model is fine for
> smaller teams that work in constant communication with one another: if
> someone forgets to check a file in (or release its lock), the project
> manager can kick him in the head and make him unlock it. The optimistic
> model is more flexible for larger or geographically diverse development
> teams (which is why it is more popular with most OSS projects).
>
> - Jeff
>
>

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[Mark Smyth]

You could take a look at seefusion

www.seefusion.com

I've been looking at this with fusebox apps, it logs page requests and
importantly gives you the fuseaction of pages as well as the SQL running

hth
mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan [mailto:duncan.loxton@...]
Sent: 13 November 2005 00:38
To: Fusebox
Subject: Re: Any major sites out there on FB?

Thanks Jeff, that the kind of info I was after. I think that as we arent
geographically 'challenged', only by the dividers between desks, the locking
system we have in place now would be the way to continue. If we were to move
to the other system and FB at the same time we would open up a can o' worms.


Can VCS be an effective way to progress projects and files through the SDLC
environments to production?

On 11/12/05, Jeff Peters <jeff@...> wrote:

>
> In terms of file version control, Fusebox is no more prone to problems
> than other approaches.
>
> FB does make a project much easier to approach in teams, because the
> files are much smaller, allowing developers to work in parallel
> instead of waiting for each other to finish with large, multi-purpose
> files (assuming pessimistic version control--see next paragraph).
>
> Any development team must use version control of some kind. Otherwise,
> changes will be lost at some point. My team uses the model Gabe
> described: each developer has a local implementation of the
> application, and the code base is stored in a version control system.
> We use a locking (pessimistic) VCS, which means when I check out a
> file, no one else can make changes until I check it back in. Other VCS
> systems use an optimistic model, in which anyone can work on any file
> at any time; when you check a file in, the VCS compares it with the
> official version and allows you to merge any changes. The pessimistic
> model is fine for smaller teams that work in constant communication
> with one another: if someone forgets to check a file in (or release
> its lock), the project manager can kick him in the head and make him
> unlock it. The optimistic model is more flexible for larger or
> geographically diverse development teams (which is why it is more popular

with most OSS projects).
>
> - Jeff
>
>




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