ArcPad and ArcPad Application Builder

[Chris Ball-7]

for clarification from last PDA meeting:
 
these are 2 different software packages.  I asked if Application Builder came with ArcPad, it does not.
 
ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.
 
 
http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123 
 
 
 
Chris
 
 
 
_______________________________________________________________
 
Chris L. Ball
Research Analyst II (GIS)
California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
Resource Assessment Program (RAP)
 
cball@...
(916) 358 - 2910


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[Steven Goldman]

Chris,

ArcPad does not include App Builder, but the reverse is true (App
Builder does come with 1 copy of ArcPad).

Also, ArcPad does come with a basic form building tool, from what I
understand, so you don*t necessarily need App Builder if you*re
doing basic apps.  Can anyone verify that this is true?
Thanks.
-Steve


Steve Goldman, GISP
GIS Manager, Biogeographic Data Branch
California Department of Fish and Game
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/biogeodata/
Phone: [phone]
Email: sgoldman@...


>>> "Chris Ball" <cball@...> 4/30/2008 2:30 PM >>>
for clarification from last PDA meeting:
 
these are 2 different software packages.  I asked if Application
Builder came with ArcPad, it does not.
 
ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.
 
 
http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123 
 
 
 
Chris
 
 
 
_______________________________________________________________
 
Chris L. Ball
Research Analyst II (GIS)
California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
Resource Assessment Program (RAP)
 
cball@...
(916) 358 - 2910


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[Isaac Oshima]

As far as I know both statements are true.  
The OSPR purchase of Application Builder included a copy of standard
ArcPad.  
Isaac


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>>> "Steven Goldman" <sgoldman@...> 2008-04-30 2:43 PM >>>
Chris,

ArcPad does not include App Builder, but the reverse is true (App
Builder does come with 1 copy of ArcPad).

Also, ArcPad does come with a basic form building tool, from what I
understand, so you don*t necessarily need App Builder if you*re
doing basic apps.  Can anyone verify that this is true?
Thanks.
-Steve


Steve Goldman, GISP
GIS Manager, Biogeographic Data Branch
California Department of Fish and Game
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/biogeodata/ 
Phone: [phone]
Email: sgoldman@...


>>> "Chris Ball" <cball@...> 4/30/2008 2:30 PM >>>
for clarification from last PDA meeting:
 
these are 2 different software packages.  I asked if Application
Builder came with ArcPad, it does not.
 
ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.
 
 
http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123 
 
 
 
Chris
 
 
 
_______________________________________________________________
 
Chris L. Ball
Research Analyst II (GIS)
California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
Resource Assessment Program (RAP)
 
cball@...
(916) 358 - 2910


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[AlexMandel]

>>> On 4/30/2008 at 14:30, "Chris Ball" <cball@...> wrote:
> for clarification from last PDA meeting:
>  
> these are 2 different software packages.  I asked if Application Builder
> came with ArcPad, it does not.
>  
> ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.
>  
>  
> http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123 
>  
>  
> Chris
>  
>  
> > _______________________________________________________________
>  
> Chris L. Ball
> Research Analyst II (GIS)
> California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
> Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
> Resource Assessment Program (RAP)
>  
> cball@...
> (916) 358 - 2910
>
>

We still need to clarify if DFG has 1 or more licenses for said product already as part of our whole license deal. I have been told that some dev kits of some kind did come with our other purchases.

Of course if you are thinking of getting one also make sure to go through BDB since tacking it on to our current license holding would likely result in a discount of some kind. Who knows, maybe we can even put it on a floating license so several people can test it out, at different times of course.

Alex

[AlexMandel]

Steve,

At the meeting this came up in the context of writing a custom application in .Net and including ArcObjects when relevant and necessary. We still need to assess if the general ArcPad interface can be customized without having to go the full coding method. Are there any ArcPad licenses for us to tinker with?
We would like to try loading it on the Cowon Q5W.

Alex

>>> On 4/30/2008 at 14:43, "Steven Goldman" <sgoldman@...> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> ArcPad does not include App Builder, but the reverse is true (App
> Builder does come with 1 copy of ArcPad).
>
> Also, ArcPad does come with a basic form building tool, from what I
> understand, so you don*t necessarily need App Builder if you*re
> doing basic apps.  Can anyone verify that this is true?
> Thanks.
> -Steve
>
>
> Steve Goldman, GISP
> GIS Manager, Biogeographic Data Branch
> California Department of Fish and Game
> http://www.dfg.ca.gov/biogeodata/ 
> Phone: [phone]
> Email: sgoldman@...
>
>
>>>> "Chris Ball" <cball@...> 4/30/2008 2:30 PM >>>
> for clarification from last PDA meeting:
>  
> these are 2 different software packages.  I asked if Application
> Builder came with ArcPad, it does not.
>  
> ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.
>  
>  
> http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123 
>  
>  
>  
> Chris
>  
>  
>  
> _______________________________________________________________
>  
> Chris L. Ball
> Research Analyst II (GIS)
> California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
> Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
> Resource Assessment Program (RAP)
>  
> cball@...
> (916) 358 - 2910
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Chris Ball-7]

well I figured that it came with a copy of Arcpad, its just kind of pricey at $1500 for App Builder (minus 1 license of ArcPad that's still a grand).
 
With Desktop ArcGIS you can develop extensions with no extra cost other than your development software.  In the case of ArcPad app builder, I think you still need development software (like VS or Borland, etc.).  Unless the app builder is allowing stand alone applications which use the dll's from Arcpad without additional licensing fees.
 
thanks
 
Chris
 


>>> On 4/30/2008 at 2:43 PM, in message <481885A5.77F9.00A1.0@...>, "Steven Goldman" <sgoldman@...> wrote:
Chris,

ArcPad does not include App Builder, but the reverse is true (App
Builder does come with 1 copy of ArcPad).

Also, ArcPad does come with a basic form building tool, from what I
understand, so you don*t necessarily need App Builder if you*re
doing basic apps.  Can anyone verify that this is true?
Thanks.
-Steve


Steve Goldman, GISP
GIS Manager, Biogeographic Data Branch
California Department of Fish and Game
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/biogeodata/ 
Phone: [phone]
Email: sgoldman@...


>>> "Chris Ball" <cball@...> 4/30/2008 2:30 PM >>>
for clarification from last PDA meeting:

these are 2 different software packages.  I asked if Application
Builder came with ArcPad, it does not.

ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.


http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123 



Chris



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Chris L. Ball
Research Analyst II (GIS)
California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
Resource Assessment Program (RAP)

cball@...
(916) 358 - 2910


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[Rosalie Yacoub]

In ArcPad (by itself),  you can set up a "quick form" that will at least address populating attributes in a shapefile as you add records.
-Rosie

>>> "Steven Goldman" <sgoldman@...> 4/30/2008 2:43 PM >>>
Chris,

ArcPad does not include App Builder, but the reverse is true (App
Builder does come with 1 copy of ArcPad).

Also, ArcPad does come with a basic form building tool, from what I
understand, so you don*t necessarily need App Builder if you*re
doing basic apps.  Can anyone verify that this is true?
Thanks.
-Steve


Steve Goldman, GISP
GIS Manager, Biogeographic Data Branch
California Department of Fish and Game
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/biogeodata/ 
Phone: [phone]
Email: sgoldman@...


>>> "Chris Ball" <cball@...> 4/30/2008 2:30 PM >>>
for clarification from last PDA meeting:
 
these are 2 different software packages.  I asked if Application
Builder came with ArcPad, it does not.
 
ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.
 
 
http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123 
 
 
 
Chris
 
 
 
_______________________________________________________________
 
Chris L. Ball
Research Analyst II (GIS)
California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
Resource Assessment Program (RAP)
 
cball@...
(916) 358 - 2910


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[AlexMandel]

I don't think that's entirely accurate. You still need a paid version of Visual Studio in order to compile dll extensions for ArcGIS and I see that being analagous to the PDA situation. Same with the licensing, there is no product you can make using arc libraries that doesn't require an arc license of some kind.

Alex

>>> On 4/30/2008 at 14:51, "Chris Ball" <cball@...> wrote:
> well I figured that it came with a copy of Arcpad, its just kind of pricey at
> $1500 for App Builder (minus 1 license of ArcPad that's still a grand).
>  
> With Desktop ArcGIS you can develop extensions with no extra cost other than
> your development software.  In the case of ArcPad app builder, I think you
> still need development software (like VS or Borland, etc.).  Unless the app
> builder is allowing stand alone applications which use the dll's from Arcpad
> without additional licensing fees.
>  
> thanks
>  
> Chris
>  
>
>
>>>> On 4/30/2008 at 2:43 PM, in message <481885A5.77F9.00A1.0@...>, "Steven
> Goldman" <sgoldman@...> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> ArcPad does not include App Builder, but the reverse is true (App
> Builder does come with 1 copy of ArcPad).
>
> Also, ArcPad does come with a basic form building tool, from what I
> understand, so you don*t necessarily need App Builder if you*re
> doing basic apps.  Can anyone verify that this is true?
> Thanks.
> -Steve
>
>
> Steve Goldman, GISP
> GIS Manager, Biogeographic Data Branch
> California Department of Fish and Game
> http://www.dfg.ca.gov/biogeodata/ 
> Phone: [phone]
> Email: sgoldman@...
>
>
>>>> "Chris Ball" <cball@...> 4/30/2008 2:30 PM >>>
> for clarification from last PDA meeting:
>
> these are 2 different software packages.  I asked if Application
> Builder came with ArcPad, it does not.
>
> ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.
>
>
> http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123 
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________________
>
> Chris L. Ball
> Research Analyst II (GIS)
> California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
> Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
> Resource Assessment Program (RAP)
>
> cball@...
> (916) 358 - 2910
>
>
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[Rosalie Yacoub]

For quick tinkering, the evaluation version is a full version that runs for 20 minutes & is certainly adequate for seeing if ArcPad will load and run on a unit. Once installed, you can make a project in ArcPad quickly OR use arcmap.  To make it a full version requires only a registration #.

http://www.esri.com/software/arcgis/arcpad/download.html 

Alex, I will email you off-group with a project that includes part of downtown sac that I have been testing with.  
-Rosie

>>> "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> 4/30/2008 2:50 PM >>>
Steve,

At the meeting this came up in the context of writing a custom application in .Net and including ArcObjects when relevant and necessary. We still need to assess if the general ArcPad interface can be customized without having to go the full coding method. Are there any ArcPad licenses for us to tinker with?
We would like to try loading it on the Cowon Q5W.

Alex

>>> On 4/30/2008 at 14:43, "Steven Goldman" <sgoldman@...> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> ArcPad does not include App Builder, but the reverse is true (App
> Builder does come with 1 copy of ArcPad).
>
> Also, ArcPad does come with a basic form building tool, from what I
> understand, so you don*t necessarily need App Builder if you*re
> doing basic apps.  Can anyone verify that this is true?
> Thanks.
> -Steve
>
>
> Steve Goldman, GISP
> GIS Manager, Biogeographic Data Branch
> California Department of Fish and Game
> http://www.dfg.ca.gov/biogeodata/ 
> Phone: [phone]
> Email: sgoldman@...
>
>
>>>> "Chris Ball" <cball@...> 4/30/2008 2:30 PM >>>
> for clarification from last PDA meeting:
>  
> these are 2 different software packages.  I asked if Application
> Builder came with ArcPad, it does not.
>  
> ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.
>  
>  
> http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123 
>  
>  
>  
> Chris
>  
>  
>  
> _______________________________________________________________
>  
> Chris L. Ball
> Research Analyst II (GIS)
> California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
> Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
> Resource Assessment Program (RAP)
>  
> cball@...
> (916) 358 - 2910
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Chris Ball-7]

well at $1500 its not likely I will get R2 to purchase (I would have to twist some arms for the $495 license).  It was mentioned they were bundled together, so I thought I would get App builder with ArcPad for only $495 (unfortunately that's not the case).  

Right now I'm not even sure if I would have time to delve into ArcPad development, or even if it would be of use to DFG to go that route.  But, if we had an ArcPad license (and it had app builder), we would at least have the option to consider it.





>>> On 4/30/2008 at 2:48 PM, in message <481886AE.C40B.00E4.0@...>, "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> wrote:

>>> On 4/30/2008 at 14:30, "Chris Ball" <cball@...> wrote:
> for clarification from last PDA meeting:
>
> these are 2 different software packages. I asked if Application Builder
> came with ArcPad, it does not.
>
> ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.
>
>
> http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123 
>
>
> Chris
>
>
> > __________________________________________________________
>
> Chris L. Ball
> Research Analyst II (GIS)
> California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
> Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
> Resource Assessment Program (RAP)
>
> cball@...
> (916) 358 - 2910
>
>

We still need to clarify if DFG has 1 or more licenses for said product already as part of our whole license deal. I have been told that some dev kits of some kind did come with our other purchases.

Of course if you are thinking of getting one also make sure to go through BDB since tacking it on to our current license holding would likely result in a discount of some kind. Who knows, maybe we can even put it on a floating license so several people can test it out, at different times of course.

Alex


 

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[Chris Ball-7]

Yes, the point is, ArcGIS desktop all you need is Vs or similar (ArcGis + VS), with Arcpad you need (Arcpad + ArcPad App Builder + VS) or similar to just to do the development.  You can distribute any DLLs' you make without licensing restrictions (since the other libraries will already be installed on the user's system, in reference to ArcGIS development)

That was my point, I don't see what the extra grand is for unless it allowed distribution of arc libraries (which you say it does not, which does not surprise me at all).  They ought to just include it, you will need an ArcPAD license to use it anyway.  That's what ESRI does for ArcGIS.

Is the application builder an IDE?



>>> On 4/30/2008 at 3:00 PM, in message <481889A3.C40B.00E4.0@...>, "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> wrote:

I don't think that's entirely accurate. You still need a paid version of Visual Studio in order to compile dll extensions for ArcGIS and I see that being analagous to the PDA situation. Same with the licensing, there is no product you can make using arc libraries that doesn't require an arc license of some kind.

Alex

>>> On 4/30/2008 at 14:51, "Chris Ball" <cball@...> wrote:
> well I figured that it came with a copy of Arcpad, its just kind of pricey at
> $1500 for App Builder (minus 1 license of ArcPad that's still a grand).
>
> With Desktop ArcGIS you can develop extensions with no extra cost other than
> your development software. In the case of ArcPad app builder, I think you
> still need development software (like VS or Borland, etc.). Unless the app
> builder is allowing stand alone applications which use the dll's from Arcpad
> without additional licensing fees.
>
> thanks
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>>>> On 4/30/2008 at 2:43 PM, in message <481885A5.77F9.00A1.0@...>, "Steven
> Goldman" <sgoldman@...> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> ArcPad does not include App Builder, but the reverse is true (App
> Builder does come with 1 copy of ArcPad).
>
> Also, ArcPad does come with a basic form building tool, from what I
> understand, so you don*t necessarily need App Builder if you*re
> doing basic apps. Can anyone verify that this is true?
> Thanks.
> -Steve
>
>
> Steve Goldman, GISP
> GIS Manager, Biogeographic Data Branch
> California Department of Fish and Game
> http://www.dfg.ca.gov/biogeodata/ 
> Phone: [phone]
> Email: sgoldman@...
>
>
>>>> "Chris Ball" <cball@...> 4/30/2008 2:30 PM >>>
> for clarification from last PDA meeting:
>
> these are 2 different software packages. I asked if Application
> Builder came with ArcPad, it does not.
>
> ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.
>
>
> http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123 
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________
>
> Chris L. Ball
> Research Analyst II (GIS)
> California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
> Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
> Resource Assessment Program (RAP)
>
> cball@...
> (916) 358 - 2910
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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>
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[Isaac Oshima]

ArcPad application builder does not need Visual Studio.  
Unless you plan on building for currently unsupported devices such as a
newer cameras, gps, rangefinder, etc...
If you did that then you'd also need C or C++ skills.  

The short answer to "Is the application builder an IDE?" is yes.

Isaac


Isaac Oshima
ioshima@...
Research Program Specialist 1, GIS
California Department of Fish and Game
><((((º>
Office of Spill Prevention and Response
1700 K Street, Suite 150
Sacramento, California 95814
916-324-9817
916-324-8829 fax

>>> "Chris Ball" <cball@...> 2008-04-30 3:56 PM >>>
Yes, the point is, ArcGIS desktop all you need is Vs or similar (ArcGis
+ VS), with Arcpad you need (Arcpad + ArcPad App Builder + VS) or
similar to just to do the development.  You can distribute any DLLs' you
make without licensing restrictions (since the other libraries will
already be installed on the user's system, in reference to ArcGIS
development)

That was my point, I don't see what the extra grand is for unless it
allowed distribution of arc libraries (which you say it does not, which
does not surprise me at all).  They ought to just include it, you will
need an ArcPAD license to use it anyway.  That's what ESRI does for
ArcGIS.

Is the application builder an IDE?



>>> On 4/30/2008 at 3:00 PM, in message
<481889A3.C40B.00E4.0@...>, "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...>
wrote:

I don't think that's entirely accurate. You still need a paid version
of Visual Studio in order to compile dll extensions for ArcGIS and I see
that being analagous to the PDA situation. Same with the licensing,
there is no product you can make using arc libraries that doesn't
require an arc license of some kind.

Alex

>>> On 4/30/2008 at 14:51, "Chris Ball" <cball@...> wrote:
> well I figured that it came with a copy of Arcpad, its just kind of
pricey at
> $1500 for App Builder (minus 1 license of ArcPad that's still a
grand).
>
> With Desktop ArcGIS you can develop extensions with no extra cost
other than
> your development software. In the case of ArcPad app builder, I think
you
> still need development software (like VS or Borland, etc.). Unless
the app
> builder is allowing stand alone applications which use the dll's from
Arcpad
> without additional licensing fees.
>
> thanks
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>>>> On 4/30/2008 at 2:43 PM, in message
<481885A5.77F9.00A1.0@...>, "Steven

> Goldman" <sgoldman@...> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> ArcPad does not include App Builder, but the reverse is true (App
> Builder does come with 1 copy of ArcPad).
>
> Also, ArcPad does come with a basic form building tool, from what I
> understand, so you don*t necessarily need App Builder if you*re
> doing basic apps. Can anyone verify that this is true?
> Thanks.
> -Steve
>
>
> Steve Goldman, GISP
> GIS Manager, Biogeographic Data Branch
> California Department of Fish and Game
> http://www.dfg.ca.gov/biogeodata/ 
> Phone: [phone]
> Email: sgoldman@...
>
>
>>>> "Chris Ball" <cball@...> 4/30/2008 2:30 PM >>>
> for clarification from last PDA meeting:
>
> these are 2 different software packages. I asked if Application
> Builder came with ArcPad, it does not.
>
> ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.
>
>
> http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123 
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________
>
> Chris L. Ball
> Research Analyst II (GIS)
> California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
> Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
> Resource Assessment Program (RAP)
>
> cball@...
> (916) 358 - 2910
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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[Chris Ball-7]

Oh Ok,

thanks.  Now that makes sense, I thought you still needed your VS or other IDE.



>>> On 4/30/2008 at 4:35 PM, in message <48189FD2.333F.0043.0@...>, "Isaac Oshima" <ioshima@...> wrote:

ArcPad application builder does not need Visual Studio.
Unless you plan on building for currently unsupported devices such as a
newer cameras, gps, rangefinder, etc...
If you did that then you'd also need C or C++ skills.

The short answer to "Is the application builder an IDE?" is yes.

Isaac

Isaac Oshima
ioshima@...
Research Program Specialist 1, GIS
California Department of Fish and Game
><((((º>
Office of Spill Prevention and Response
1700 K Street, Suite 150
Sacramento, California 95814
916-324-9817
916-324-8829 fax

>>> "Chris Ball" <cball@...> 2008-04-30 3:56 PM >>>
Yes, the point is, ArcGIS desktop all you need is Vs or similar (ArcGis
+ VS), with Arcpad you need (Arcpad + ArcPad App Builder + VS) or
similar to just to do the development. You can distribute any DLLs' you
make without licensing restrictions (since the other libraries will
already be installed on the user's system, in reference to ArcGIS
development)

That was my point, I don't see what the extra grand is for unless it
allowed distribution of arc libraries (which you say it does not, which
does not surprise me at all). They ought to just include it, you will
need an ArcPAD license to use it anyway. That's what ESRI does for
ArcGIS.

Is the application builder an IDE?

>>> On 4/30/2008 at 3:00 PM, in message
<481889A3.C40B.00E4.0@...>, "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...>
wrote:

I don't think that's entirely accurate. You still need a paid version
of Visual Studio in order to compile dll extensions for ArcGIS and I see
that being analagous to the PDA situation. Same with the licensing,
there is no product you can make using arc libraries that doesn't
require an arc license of some kind.

Alex

>>> On 4/30/2008 at 14:51, "Chris Ball" <cball@...> wrote:
> well I figured that it came with a copy of Arcpad, its just kind of
pricey at
> $1500 for App Builder (minus 1 license of ArcPad that's still a
grand).
>
> With Desktop ArcGIS you can develop extensions with no extra cost
other than
> your development software. In the case of ArcPad app builder, I think
you
> still need development software (like VS or Borland, etc.). Unless
the app
> builder is allowing stand alone applications which use the dll's from
Arcpad
> without additional licensing fees.
>
> thanks
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>>>> On 4/30/2008 at 2:43 PM, in message
<481885A5.77F9.00A1.0@...>, "Steven

> Goldman" <sgoldman@...> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> ArcPad does not include App Builder, but the reverse is true (App
> Builder does come with 1 copy of ArcPad).
>
> Also, ArcPad does come with a basic form building tool, from what I
> understand, so you don*t necessarily need App Builder if you*re
> doing basic apps. Can anyone verify that this is true?
> Thanks.
> -Steve
>
>
> Steve Goldman, GISP
> GIS Manager, Biogeographic Data Branch
> California Department of Fish and Game
> http://www.dfg.ca.gov/biogeodata/ 
> Phone: [phone]
> Email: sgoldman@...
>
>
>>>> "Chris Ball" <cball@...> 4/30/2008 2:30 PM >>>
> for clarification from last PDA meeting:
>
> these are 2 different software packages. I asked if Application
> Builder came with ArcPad, it does not.
>
> ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.
>
>
> http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123 
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
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> California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
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[Charlotte Peters]

Regarding ArcPad customization without the application builder, I've read in ArcPad forums that some folks were able to customize ArcPad 6 by taking an existing ArcPad *.apl file or ArcPad applet *.apa file (found in ArcScripts or sample data) and making their own customizations in a text or XML editor. Any JScript or VBScript codes associated with the applet can be customized outside of AP app builder.
I don't know if this is still the case with the latest version of ArcPad, but I was able to open sample *.apl, *.apa, *.apm files in notepad and it looks like something someone can customize.
 
A German company makes a low cost ArcPad form generator software, but it's in German! http://gis.esri.com/partners/partners-user/index.cfm?fuseaction=product&BP_ID=2319&PID=5269 
 
ArcPad creation form wizard. Not a substitute for the app builder, but might be better than standard ArcPad forms.
http://arcscripts.esri.com/details.asp?dbid=12608 
 
general article on AP customization, it highlights AP app builder but points out that text editor and VB script are also used
http://www.spatialvision.com.au/html/tips-arcpad.htm 
Charlotte

>>> "Steven Goldman" <sgoldman@...> 4/30/2008 2:43 PM >>>
Chris,

ArcPad does not include App Builder, but the reverse is true (App
Builder does come with 1 copy of ArcPad).

Also, ArcPad does come with a basic form building tool, from what I
understand, so you don*t necessarily need App Builder if you*re
doing basic apps.  Can anyone verify that this is true?
Thanks.
-Steve


Steve Goldman, GISP
GIS Manager, Biogeographic Data Branch
California Department of Fish and Game
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/biogeodata/ 
Phone: [phone]
Email: sgoldman@...


>>> "Chris Ball" <cball@...> 4/30/2008 2:30 PM >>>
for clarification from last PDA meeting:

these are 2 different software packages.  I asked if Application
Builder came with ArcPad, it does not.

ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.


http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123 



Chris



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California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
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[Chris Ball-7]

thanks for the links.

I was wondering if you might be able to use a different IDE other than the actual Application Builder.

I'm watching the ESRI seminar on the "ArcGIS Mobile": they say you get 50 licenses to use with the SDK for ArcGIS mobile.

That might be a better focus for developing rather than purchasing ArcPAD licenses since we already have invested in ArcServer.



>>> On 4/30/2008 at 5:33 PM, in message <4818AD6E.A867.0029.0@...>, "Charlotte Peters" <cpeters@...> wrote:

Regarding ArcPad customization without the application builder, I've read in ArcPad forums that some folks were able to customize ArcPad 6 by taking an existing ArcPad *.apl file or ArcPad applet *.apa file (found in ArcScripts or sample data) and making their own customizations in a text or XML editor. Any JScript or VBScript codes associated with the applet can be customized outside of AP app builder.
I don't know if this is still the case with the latest version of ArcPad, but I was able to open sample *.apl, *.apa, *.apm files in notepad and it looks like something someone can customize.

A German company makes a low cost ArcPad form generator software, but it's in German! http://gis.esri.com/partners/partners-user/index.cfm?fuseaction=product&BP_ID=2319&PID=5269 

ArcPad creation form wizard. Not a substitute for the app builder, but might be better than standard ArcPad forms.
http://arcscripts.esri.com/details.asp?dbid=12608 

general article on AP customization, it highlights AP app builder but points out that text editor and VB script are also used
http://www.spatialvision.com.au/html/tips-arcpad.htm 
Charlotte

>>> "Steven Goldman" <sgoldman@...> 4/30/2008 2:43 PM >>>
Chris,

ArcPad does not include App Builder, but the reverse is true (App
Builder does come with 1 copy of ArcPad).

Also, ArcPad does come with a basic form building tool, from what I
understand, so you don*t necessarily need App Builder if you*re
doing basic apps. Can anyone verify that this is true?
Thanks.
-Steve

Steve Goldman, GISP
GIS Manager, Biogeographic Data Branch
California Department of Fish and Game
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/biogeodata/ 
Phone: [phone]
Email: sgoldman@...

>>> "Chris Ball" <cball@...> 4/30/2008 2:30 PM >>>
for clarification from last PDA meeting:

these are 2 different software packages. I asked if Application
Builder came with ArcPad, it does not.

ArcPad is currently $495, and Application Builder is $1500.

http://store.esri.com/esri/showprod.cfm?SID=2&Category_ID=123 

Chris

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Research Analyst II (GIS)
California Dept. of Fish and Game, North Central Region
Forest Resources Conservation Planning (FRCP)
Resource Assessment Program (RAP)

cball@...
(916) 358 - 2910

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