Asus WL500G Deluxe Router

[James Kramer]

Is is possible to use an Asus wl-500 G Deluxe router to connect to my
neighbors wireless router, similar to the way my notebook connects to
it?  I want to connect my main computer to my neighbors wireless
network, however I do not have a wireless eithernet card.  I do have
an old Asus router that support Bridge connections, etc.  It seems
like I should be able to use it to connect to the access point.  I
would appreciate any suggestions.

Jay
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[Daniel Feenberg]

On Sun, 25 Oct 2009, James Kramer wrote:

> Is is possible to use an Asus wl-500 G Deluxe router to connect to my
> neighbors wireless router, similar to the way my notebook connects to
> it?  I want to connect my main computer to my neighbors wireless
> network, however I do not have a wireless eithernet card.  I do have
> an old Asus router that support Bridge connections, etc.  It seems
> like I should be able to use it to connect to the access point.  I
> would appreciate any suggestions.

Look through the menus to see if it has an "bridge" mode. I think that is
pretty rare, though.

Daniel Feenberg

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[Ben Eisenbraun]

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:44:06AM -0400, James Kramer wrote:
> Is is possible to use an Asus wl-500 G Deluxe router to connect to my
> neighbors wireless router, similar to the way my notebook connects to
> it?  I want to connect my main computer to my neighbors wireless
> network, however I do not have a wireless eithernet card.

As Daniel said, you need to use the wifi in bridge mode.  If the default
Asus firmware doesn't support briding, then you can flash that model
with the OpenWRT firmware, which definitely supports that feature.

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[Richard Pieri]

No.  Wireless bridging (802.11g draft) is not an access point as a  
client to another access point.  It is a dedicated point-to-point link  
between two access points that support the bridge protocol.  Both  
access points need to support the bridge protocol and need to be  
configured to use it.  That protocol is not part of the final 802.11g  
spec so there is little support outside of the open router firmwares.  
Also of concern is that the bridge protocol doesn't work with WPA/
WPA2; you're stuck with WEP for all clients on both sides of the bridge.

--Rich P.

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[James Kramer]

It does support a bridge configuration.  However the other router is
set to act as a wireless access point.  It is configured for WEP so
that is not a problem.  I would like to be able to connect using the
built in Asus bridge if possible.  But if this is not possible can the
OpenWRT firmware be used to connect to the network just like a
notebook would?  Thanks for the help
Jay

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Richard Pieri <richard.pieri@...> wrote:

> No.  Wireless bridging (802.11g draft) is not an access point as a
> client to another access point.  It is a dedicated point-to-point link
> between two access points that support the bridge protocol.  Both
> access points need to support the bridge protocol and need to be
> configured to use it.  That protocol is not part of the final 802.11g
> spec so there is little support outside of the open router firmwares.
> Also of concern is that the bridge protocol doesn't work with WPA/
> WPA2; you're stuck with WEP for all clients on both sides of the bridge.
>
> --Rich P.
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[James Kramer]

I found a lot of information about Openwrt in client mode.  Is that
what I need to use my router as a device so I can access a wireless
network?
jay

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 2:42 PM, James Kramer <kramerjm@...> wrote:

> It does support a bridge configuration.  However the other router is
> set to act as a wireless access point.  It is configured for WEP so
> that is not a problem.  I would like to be able to connect using the
> built in Asus bridge if possible.  But if this is not possible can the
> OpenWRT firmware be used to connect to the network just like a
> notebook would?  Thanks for the help
> Jay
>
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Richard Pieri <richard.pieri@...> wrote:
>> No.  Wireless bridging (802.11g draft) is not an access point as a
>> client to another access point.  It is a dedicated point-to-point link
>> between two access points that support the bridge protocol.  Both
>> access points need to support the bridge protocol and need to be
>> configured to use it.  That protocol is not part of the final 802.11g
>> spec so there is little support outside of the open router firmwares.
>> Also of concern is that the bridge protocol doesn't work with WPA/
>> WPA2; you're stuck with WEP for all clients on both sides of the bridge.
>>
>> --Rich P.
>>
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[Bill Horne-14]

James Kramer wrote:
> Is is possible to use an Asus wl-500 G Deluxe router to connect to my
> neighbors wireless router, similar to the way my notebook connects to
> it?  I want to connect my main computer to my neighbors wireless
> network, however I do not have a wireless eithernet card.  I do have
> an old Asus router that support Bridge connections, etc.  It seems
> like I should be able to use it to connect to the access point.  I
> would appreciate any suggestions.
>  

Most manufacturer's limit "Bridge" and "Client" modes to their own
products, so you may need a device
made by the same company as the one your neighbor uses.

If the Asus has a "client" mode and will work with non-Asus equipment,
it'll probably need the
MAC address for your neighbor's Access Point.

HTH.

Bill

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[James Kramer]

So, I gather that the OpenWrt in client mode does not act like the
wireless setup on my note book where I just scan for local networks
and hit the connect button and then add the user id and password?


On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Bill Horne <ehorne@...> wrote:

> James Kramer wrote:
>> Is is possible to use an Asus wl-500 G Deluxe router to connect to my
>> neighbors wireless router, similar to the way my notebook connects to
>> it?  I want to connect my main computer to my neighbors wireless
>> network, however I do not have a wireless eithernet card.  I do have
>> an old Asus router that support Bridge connections, etc.  It seems
>> like I should be able to use it to connect to the access point.  I
>> would appreciate any suggestions.
>>
>
> Most manufacturer's limit "Bridge" and "Client" modes to their own
> products, so you may need a device
> made by the same company as the one your neighbor uses.
>
> If the Asus has a "client" mode and will work with non-Asus equipment,
> it'll probably need the
> MAC address for your neighbor's Access Point.
>
> HTH.
>
> Bill
>
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[John Boland]

openwrt is the greatest thing since sliced bread!

tigerdirect was selling refurb'd linksys routers last summer for $30.
i picked one up to use for just this purpose.
i installed openwrt and configured it to run in bridge mode.
it connected without a problem to my netgear router.
i used this setup during the summer up in maine.  so, it wasn't just on my
home gear that i have control over.
i had to flash the router twice to load openwrt and then configure it, total
time 20 minutes. i timed it.
i then had 4 lan connections on the linksys router that bridged wirelessly.
i even had dhcp from the netgear router.  openwrt has a ton of options and
configuration settings.
to the netgear router (or any other that you connect to), the openwrt
linksys router looks like a regular pc client.

HTH

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 3:42 PM, James Kramer <kramerjm@...> wrote:

> So, I gather that the OpenWrt in client mode does not act like the
> wireless setup on my note book where I just scan for local networks
> and hit the connect button and then add the user id and password?
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Bill Horne <ehorne@...> wrote:
> > James Kramer wrote:
> >> Is is possible to use an Asus wl-500 G Deluxe router to connect to my
> >> neighbors wireless router, similar to the way my notebook connects to
> >> it?  I want to connect my main computer to my neighbors wireless
> >> network, however I do not have a wireless eithernet card.  I do have
> >> an old Asus router that support Bridge connections, etc.  It seems
> >> like I should be able to use it to connect to the access point.  I
> >> would appreciate any suggestions.
> >>
> >
> > Most manufacturer's limit "Bridge" and "Client" modes to their own
> > products, so you may need a device
> > made by the same company as the one your neighbor uses.
> >
> > If the Asus has a "client" mode and will work with non-Asus equipment,
> > it'll probably need the
> > MAC address for your neighbor's Access Point.
> >
> > HTH.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > --
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> > William Warren Consulting
> > Computer & Network Installations, Security, and Service
> > http://william-warren.com
> > 781-784-7287
> >
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[James Kramer]

John,

That is great news.  I think that OpenWrt setup defaults as a bridge.
Did you use the default setup?

Jay

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:11 PM, John Boland <jj.boland@...> wrote:

> openwrt is the greatest thing since sliced bread!
>
> tigerdirect was selling refurb'd linksys routers last summer for $30.
> i picked one up to use for just this purpose.
> i installed openwrt and configured it to run in bridge mode.
> it connected without a problem to my netgear router.
> i used this setup during the summer up in maine.  so, it wasn't just on my
> home gear that i have control over.
> i had to flash the router twice to load openwrt and then configure it, total
> time 20 minutes. i timed it.
> i then had 4 lan connections on the linksys router that bridged wirelessly.
> i even had dhcp from the netgear router.  openwrt has a ton of options and
> configuration settings.
> to the netgear router (or any other that you connect to), the openwrt
> linksys router looks like a regular pc client.
>
> HTH
>
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 3:42 PM, James Kramer <kramerjm@...> wrote:
>
>> So, I gather that the OpenWrt in client mode does not act like the
>> wireless setup on my note book where I just scan for local networks
>> and hit the connect button and then add the user id and password?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Bill Horne <ehorne@...> wrote:
>> > James Kramer wrote:
>> >> Is is possible to use an Asus wl-500 G Deluxe router to connect to my
>> >> neighbors wireless router, similar to the way my notebook connects to
>> >> it?  I want to connect my main computer to my neighbors wireless
>> >> network, however I do not have a wireless eithernet card.  I do have
>> >> an old Asus router that support Bridge connections, etc.  It seems
>> >> like I should be able to use it to connect to the access point.  I
>> >> would appreciate any suggestions.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Most manufacturer's limit "Bridge" and "Client" modes to their own
>> > products, so you may need a device
>> > made by the same company as the one your neighbor uses.
>> >
>> > If the Asus has a "client" mode and will work with non-Asus equipment,
>> > it'll probably need the
>> > MAC address for your neighbor's Access Point.
>> >
>> > HTH.
>> >
>> > Bill
>> >
>> > --
>> > E. William Horne
>> > William Warren Consulting
>> > Computer & Network Installations, Security, and Service
>> > http://william-warren.com
>> > 781-784-7287
>> >
>> >
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[Richard Pieri]

On Oct 25, 2009, at 3:42 PM, James Kramer wrote:

> So, I gather that the OpenWrt in client mode does not act like the
> wireless setup on my note book where I just scan for local networks
> and hit the connect button and then add the user id and password?

Bridge = client.

As a bridge device the access point functions exactly like any other  
wireless node on the network.  You connect the bridge device to the  
primary access point and then connect wired Ethernet devices to the  
bridge.

You lose your local wireless network in the process.  A WiFi  
transceiver can function as an access point (hub) or a client (node),  
but it can't do both at the same time.  If you want to have both at  
the remote site then you need two transceivers at the remote site, one  
to bridge and one to be the access point.

Or set up WDS, which requires specific configurations on compatible  
hardware on both sides of the link, and as I noted previously you lose  
security.  You also lose performance: each WDS hop cuts throughput by  
50%.

--Rich P.

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[Joseph Guarino]

Hello Jay/Everyone,

You can also check out the great Open Source DD-Wrt firmware which
supports that device.  What you are looking to do is well documented in
the Wiki.  Also you can check out the Tomato firmware project here:
http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato  I have used DD-WRT with very good
results.

DD-WRT
http://www.dd-wrt.com/site/index
http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

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> Is is possible to use an Asus wl-500 G Deluxe router to connect to my
> neighbors wireless router, similar to the way my notebook connects to
> it?  I want to connect my main computer to my neighbors wireless
> network, however I do not have a wireless eithernet card.  I do have
> an old Asus router that support Bridge connections, etc.  It seems
> like I should be able to use it to connect to the access point.  I
> would appreciate any suggestions.
>
> Jay

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[James Kramer]

Wow that is good news.  Thanks for taking the time to respond.  I will
check out all the possibilities.  It is nice to know that it can be
done.
Thanks again.
Jay
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[James Kramer]

I like to thank everyone for the help on setting up my old Asus
router.  I decided to go with dd-wrt.  It worked like a charm.  I
connected to my neighbors FIOS connection with very little effort
(i.e. one day to convert everything to the asus including my network
printer).  Man, I love Open Source.



On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 5:49 AM, James Kramer <kramerjm@...> wrote:
> Wow that is good news.  Thanks for taking the time to respond.  I will
> check out all the possibilities.  It is nice to know that it can be
> done.
> Thanks again.
> Jay
>

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