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[Raffaele Morelli-3]

2009/6/4 Dave Phillips <dlphillips@...>:

> Raffaele Morelli wrote:
>
> re: Bardix at linux-sound.org :
>>
>>
>> We must inform the WebMaster that Bardix link is broken.
>>
>>
>
> Thank you for the note. I google'd for the project and its maintainer,
> got no joy. The link has been removed.
>
> However, while searching for Bardix I did discover that Bardex (sic) has
> something to do with enemas. :-/

d'ho!!
-r

> Best,
>
> dp
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[Bill Allen-9]

Nice for the mention - but where can one find Transmission?

Sorry for the top posting - that's all my phone supports.

Bill

On Jun 4, 2009 12:42 AM, "Ronald Stewart" <ronaldjstewart@...> wrote:

wow Patrick! - Thanks for the mention :)

Ronald Stewart
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On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Scott <lau@...> wrote: > > > Can we “prime this pump” ...

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[shane richards]

>>Can we ?prime this pump? with a conservative but very useful distribution?

>I've tried Ubuntu Studio, Studio64, Musix, and Fedora/CCRMA.  I agree with 
>pretty much
>everything you said in your post.  My favorite, because it's worked so 
>flawlessly for
>me, is Fedora/CCRMA.  I have a long history of working with RedHat 
>professionally so
>I'm tilted in favor of RPM based distributions.
>
>-Scott

Another approach that I´ve been thinking about, would be a general LAU
repository covering the different distros that we all use.
LAU/Fedora, LAU/*buntu, LAU/whatever...

I know that many of us here have some pretty cool scripts, setups,
custom guis made in python-qt or TK, or x/k/gdialog, rebuilds of
standard apps to support Jack (libxine or mplayer come to mind),
some of us keep up with different trees in a project (I always
use the new_fx_and_sample_fun branch
of Hydrogen, for example). 

So...something along the lines of the Ubuntu ppa´s, but keeping out of the
distros´ official channels, to avoid all the stupid political crap
that go with such distros. (Which would also allow people to include scripts
to add wine-based stuff without fear and lothing), A small "base" area
that does the relevant tweaks for the distro (A link to a known good kernel,
install the rt_irq script, install necessary tweaks for Jack)...the rest all
personal stuff to go on top.

As far as the "base" stuff goes, I don´t give a **** about wallpapers, icons or some audio
distro´s "perfect" desktop - I´m a KDE guy so half of these audio distro´s work
is useless to me (imagine all that work being redirected at finding and packaging
every single jack app out there, instead)

All it would require desktop wise would be XDG compliance -
a .menu, and and .desktop files to create a new submenu (keeping out of the now
ridiculously bloated "Multimedia" menu ("Categories=AudioVideo"),
instead, have a "Categories=X-Linux-Audio-User".

If what I just wrote is completely incoherent, I blame jetlag (and 20 hours stuck
in a damn waiting lounge), sorry...

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[Roger E]

Dave Phillips wrote:

> Ray Rashif wrote:
>  
>> Hi Patrick
>>
>> A listing like that is available at http://linux-sound.org/distro.html 
>> but it may not be up-to-date.
>>    
>
> It is kept up-to-date. Transmission was added to the list this morning.
>
> Best,
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> dp
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I'm pretty sure Transmission is only available from Trinity Audio as a
custom distro running on Indamixx or USB key. It's not available
separately AFAIK.
Maybe Ronald or Patrick can enlighten us.

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[Patrick Shirkey]

On 06/05/2009 07:40 AM, Roger wrote:

Dave Phillips wrote:
  

Ray Rashif wrote:
  
    

Hi Patrick

A listing like that is available at http://linux-sound.org/distro.html 
but it may not be up-to-date.
    
      

It is kept up-to-date. Transmission was added to the list this morning.

Best,

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I'm pretty sure Transmission is only available from Trinity Audio as a 
custom distro running on Indamixx or USB key. It's not available 
separately AFAIK.
Maybe Ronald or Patrick can enlighten us.

  

Hi,

I have access to it but I don't know the exact details of the public access. You can purchase the usb key and/or an indamixx to get it preinstalled and ready to go. It's very reasonably priced IIUC and as one person was considering paying 100k/year to get a stable distro I would like to recommned they purchase a usb key or indamixx instead. It will support Linux Aduio Development adn several Linux Audio Developers are directly involved.

Of course there is also the alternative distributions and overlays, etc... which are listed on the distros page at linux sound.

I will get some more info and update re public access to Transmission.






Cheers.

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[Raine M. Ekman]

On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, shane richards wrote:
> Another approach that I´ve been thinking about, would be a general LAU
> repository covering the different distros that we all use.
> LAU/Fedora, LAU/*buntu, LAU/whatever...

This coupled with some (semi)automatic multi-distro packaging system would
be very nice, just upload the source and let the machines do the packaging
and do tests on quality, as ((64-bit + 32-bit) * a bunch of distros) gives
us quite a few combinations. I'm of course just dreaming here, if this was
realistic one would think somebody would have built this already, not only
for audio software but for all kinds... maybe this already exists? Letting
the distro experts worry about stability, hardware support and so on while
upstream (or volunteers :) package their apps should in my opinion work as
a way to ease the work for the distros and make recent software available.

(Feel free to bash this idea, it's only a loose vision I got while surfing
Freshmeat a while back, not anything I'm prepared to start as I'm not that
much of an expert really).


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[Ray Rashif]

There's something along that line - openSUSE Build Service https://build.opensuse.org/ for RPM-based systems.

IMHO it's not really an efficient route to take. RPM and DEB are both significantly complex. More work than worth just to serve a niche.

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[Raffaele Morelli-3]

2009/6/5 Ray Rashif <schivmeister@...>:
> There's something along that line - openSUSE Build Service
> https://build.opensuse.org/ for RPM-based systems.
>
> IMHO it's not really an efficient route to take. RPM and DEB are both
> significantly complex. More work than worth just to serve a niche.
> _______________________________________________


I would suggest joining the "Debian Multimedia Team" && "Planet CCRMA"
and the use of tools like Alien for rpm2deb and deb2rpm conversion for
missing packages.

My dime

regards

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[rosea]

Raffaele Morelli wrote:

> 2009/6/5 Ray Rashif <schivmeister@...>:
>  
>> There's something along that line - openSUSE Build Service
>> https://build.opensuse.org/ for RPM-based systems.
>>
>> IMHO it's not really an efficient route to take. RPM and DEB are both
>> significantly complex. More work than worth just to serve a niche.
>> _______________________________________________
>>    
>
>
> I would suggest joining the "Debian Multimedia Team" && "Planet CCRMA"
> and the use of tools like Alien for rpm2deb and deb2rpm conversion for
> missing packages.
>
>
>  

Is Alien an recommended tool? How good is it?

And yet, please join the Debian Multimedia Team, did you already do it
Raffaele?

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[Ray Rashif]

With any kind of development tool, you have to know how it works and to what extent it can help you. If Alien, for instance, does not prove to be sufficient, you have to fill in the gaps with other tools or even "manual labour".

Personally, alien, rpmextract, deb2targz, have all been useful. There's nothing on it that warrants recommendation because there's no other similar utility (at least not that I know of) - you use it if you need it.

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[Ronald Stewart]

hi,  ( I am resending this because I included a photo and got bounced )

Transmission was built for Samsung Q1 Ultra as Indamixx product.

Transmission is now for Samsung Q1 Ultra and Intel Netbooks.

We decided a while ago to focus on the Mobile DAW market (mainly Trinity DAW).

I personally was looking for an affordable mobile device that was small but could perform like a portable pro tools device.

We focused on small screens and low power processors from the beginning.

Thank God for Netbooks becasue we cut our teeth on 500Mhz 256 RAM from 2005-2008

Transmission 3.0 is Ubuntu 9.04 at the base and then all the goodies built on top of that.

The ISO is currently for sale on CD and we are at pre-order stage for the USB stick.
Anyone interested you can find this here:
www.amazon.com/indamixx

64studio and I are working on a future release that is a suped up trial version that we can give away on the website.

I have the Indamixx Scion that I would like to Twitter and let Netbook users know they can go to a destination in Los Angeles and I can load their machines with trial version of Transmission so everyone can turn their netbook into a mobile recording studio.  Linux really makes all this possible for us.

Thank you

Ronald Stewart
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9854 National Blvd. #322
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On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Ray Rashif <schivmeister@...> wrote:

With any kind of development tool, you have to know how it works and to what extent it can help you. If Alien, for instance, does not prove to be sufficient, you have to fill in the gaps with other tools or even "manual labour".

Personally, alien, rpmextract, deb2targz, have all been useful. There's nothing on it that warrants recommendation because there's no other similar utility (at least not that I know of) - you use it if you need it.

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[Bill Allen-9]

Thanks for the info. I'm surprised that Transmission is based on 9.04. I know you're working with 64Studio on this, but the current beta 3 release of 64 studio is based on 8.04. I wonder why the differece of base?

On Jun 5, 2009 3:14 PM, "Ronald Stewart" <ronaldjstewart@...> wrote:

hi,  ( I am resending this because I included a photo and got bounced )

Transmission was built for Samsung Q1 Ultra as Indamixx product.

Transmission is now for Samsung Q1 Ultra and Intel Netbooks.

We decided a while ago to focus on the Mobile DAW market (mainly Trinity DAW).

I personally was looking for an affordable mobile device that was small but could perform like a portable pro tools device.

We focused on small screens and low power processors from the beginning.

Thank God for Netbooks becasue we cut our teeth on 500Mhz 256 RAM from 2005-2008

Transmission 3.0 is Ubuntu 9.04 at the base and then all the goodies built on top of that.

The ISO is currently for sale on CD and we are at pre-order stage for the USB stick.
Anyone interested you can find this here:
www.amazon.com/indamixx

64studio and I are working on a future release that is a suped up trial version that we can give away on the website.

I have the Indamixx Scion that I would like to Twitter and let Netbook users know they can go to a destination in Los Angeles and I can load their machines with trial version of Transmission so everyone can turn their netbook into a mobile recording studio.  Linux really makes all this possible for us.

Thank you

Ronald Stewart
Creative Director
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9854 National Blvd. #322
Los Angeles CA 90034
310-733-9285
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On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Ray Rashif <schivmeister@...> wrote:

> > With any kind of development tool, you have to know how it works and to what extent it can help ...

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[Ray Rashif]

I'll definitely at least get the USB!

Ronald: I remember during the early (Samsung) phase you had quite a bit of trouble smoothening the financial end of the project. But now, fortunately, the portable, netbook and usb sticks will be selling like hotcakes after some good marketing. That would be due in part to energyXT, which is pretty popular. I mean, what other portable/netbook DAW solutions are there? ;) 

Transmission may just prove to be THE stable netbook DAW platform. Any chance it's already been tested on the likes of asus eee?

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[Ronald Stewart]

Indamixx on Eeepc confirmed 1000 series, 900A, (here is my moms eeepc running Transmisison 3.0)
http://www.indamixx.com/images/S6301143.JPG

MSI Wind works
Samsung NC 10 works
Acer Aspire works

Those are the ones I have seen with my own eyes OR customers who bought the CD have confirmed.
Here is the rest of the list.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks

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On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Ray Rashif <schivmeister@...> wrote:

I'll definitely at least get the USB!

Ronald: I remember during the early (Samsung) phase you had quite a bit of trouble smoothening the financial end of the project. But now, fortunately, the portable, netbook and usb sticks will be selling like hotcakes after some good marketing. That would be due in part to energyXT, which is pretty popular. I mean, what other portable/netbook DAW solutions are there? ;) 

Transmission may just prove to be THE stable netbook DAW platform. Any chance it's already been tested on the likes of asus eee?

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Are there any Supported netbooks that have firewire or provision for adding
firewire support?

On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 09:26:24 am Ronald Stewart wrote:

> Indamixx on Eeepc confirmed 1000 series, 900A, (here is my moms eeepc
> running Transmisison 3.0)
> http://www.indamixx.com/images/S6301143.JPG
>
> MSI Wind works
> Samsung NC 10 works
> Acer Aspire works
>
> Those are the ones I have seen with my own eyes OR customers who bought the
> CD have confirmed.
> Here is the rest of the list.
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks
>
> Thank you
>
> Ronald Stewart
> Creative Director
> Trinity Audio Group Inc.
> 9854 National Blvd. #322
> Los Angeles CA 90034
> 310-733-9285
> ronaldjstewart@...
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Ray Rashif <schivmeister@...> wrote:
> > I'll definitely at least get the USB!
> >
> > Ronald: I remember during the early (Samsung) phase you had quite a bit
> > of trouble smoothening the financial end of the project. But now,
> > fortunately, the portable, netbook and usb sticks will be selling like
> > hotcakes after some good marketing. That would be due in part to
> > energyXT, which is pretty popular. I mean, what other portable/netbook
> > DAW solutions are there? ;)
> >
> > Transmission may just prove to be THE stable netbook DAW platform. Any
> > chance it's already been tested on the likes of asus eee?
> >
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lenovo S10
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On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Danni Coy <danni.coy@...> wrote:

Are there any Supported netbooks that have firewire or provision for adding
firewire support?

On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 09:26:24 am Ronald Stewart wrote:
> Indamixx on Eeepc confirmed 1000 series, 900A, (here is my moms eeepc
> running Transmisison 3.0)
> http://www.indamixx.com/images/S6301143.JPG
>
> MSI Wind works
> Samsung NC 10 works
> Acer Aspire works
>
> Those are the ones I have seen with my own eyes OR customers who bought the
> CD have confirmed.
> Here is the rest of the list.
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks
>
> Thank you
>
> Ronald Stewart
> Creative Director
> Trinity Audio Group Inc.
> 9854 National Blvd. #322
> Los Angeles CA 90034
> 310-733-9285
> ronaldjstewart@...
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Ray Rashif <schivmeister@...> wrote:
> > I'll definitely at least get the USB!
> >
> > Ronald: I remember during the early (Samsung) phase you had quite a bit
> > of trouble smoothening the financial end of the project. But now,
> > fortunately, the portable, netbook and usb sticks will be selling like
> > hotcakes after some good marketing. That would be due in part to
> > energyXT, which is pretty popular. I mean, what other portable/netbook
> > DAW solutions are there? ;)
> >
> > Transmission may just prove to be THE stable netbook DAW platform. Any
> > chance it's already been tested on the likes of asus eee?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Linux-audio-user mailing list
> > Linux-audio-user@...
> > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user

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Ray Rashif wrote:
> With any kind of development tool, you have to know how it works and to
> what extent it can help you. If Alien, for instance, does not prove to
> be sufficient, you have to fill in the gaps with other tools or even
> "manual labour".
>
> Personally, alien, rpmextract, deb2targz, have all been useful. There's
> nothing on it that warrants recommendation because there's no other
> similar utility (at least not that I know of) - you use it if you need it.

I've used Alien a couple of times to convert packages from the archaic
RPM format into the sleek and modern DEB format without any problems,
but I stick with Debian so have only chosen to do it 3 times in six
years of Linux use.

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On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:09 PM, jrogers<jrogers@...> wrote:

>
>> Message: 28
>> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 09:54:22 +0300
>> From: Asmo Koskinen <asmo.koskinen@...>
>> Subject: Re: [LAU] ubuntu realtime.
>
> I did not take quotes from the following link because the whole thing deserves
> a (re)read
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-users/2009-April/004507.html
>
> This bummed be out so I had to quote this:
>> Almost down for the count, Cory K.
>
> The note was a plea for help so I would like to see what we can do.
>
> There are so many things to discuss and so many possible directions to go in…
> Just thinking about it can be overwhelming…
>
> Free (not free beer, but “freedom”) is wonderful, but it ironically can be
> more paralyzing than “confinement”, so let me start with a simple and self
> limiting proposal:
>
> I tried to write this list a few times, and every time it got too long and
> complicated. At the risk of being flamed here is my “simple” list:
>
> - Manual install (like arch Linux) is fine and probably preferred. (manual is
> fine, but complete default instructions would be needed)
> - specific hardware (i.e. motherboard, video card and audio interface) is fine
> - most/all of the “popular” audio apps with a kernel that combined to create a
> system that was extremely stable and had reasonable latency (less than 10ms?
> Or maybe less than 7ms? What ever can be done with reasonable and reliable
> settings?)
> - I would donate at least $100 per year (If a thousand people joined me that
> would be $100K… Could one person full time, or several people part-time sign
> up for that?
> - I would donate a few years in advance… say three years… (If this would help
> someone/some-few decide to do this)
> - I would also help out. This assumes the individual or small core team would
> dedicate sufficient time to partition the tasks in a way that would facilitate
> widespread involvement.
>
> Questions:
>
> Ignoring resources (money, people, etc) is it reasonable to build and maintain
> such a distribution?
>
> Is $100k per year enough? If not how much is needed?
>
> Are 1000 users at $100 reasonable to expect? How about 2000 at $50? Or 500 at
> $200 (I would consider donating $200/year) Strike that… If this existed today
> I would donate $200.
>
>
> I know that the conventional wisdom is that Linux audio is not for “new Linux
> users” but I think that is the root of the “chicken/egg” problem that we have
> here. A predictable, stable, reliable audio distribution may generate the
> support that the particular distribution (and Linux audio in general) needs to
> get to the next level.
>
> Can we “prime this pump” with a conservative but very useful distribution?
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Seems that this thread's energy got shorted out somewhere.

Too bad. Fun read.
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[Atte]

Mark Knecht wrote:
> Seems that this thread's energy got shorted out somewhere.
>
> Too bad. Fun read.

Something good came out of it, however; I'm now running arch (instead of
ubuntu) and loving it.

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[Mark Knecht]

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Atte Andre
Jensen<atte.jensen@...> wrote:

> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>
>> Seems that this thread's energy got shorted out somewhere.
>>
>> Too bad. Fun read.
>
> Something good came out of it, however; I'm now running arch (instead of
> ubuntu) and loving it.
>
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Is that arch, as in Arch Linux, and not arch as in ~arch on Gentoo? I
read your web page and feel disappointed that the Gentoo install still
either frustrates or scares off so many people, but it sounds like you
made a good decision. I hear good things about Arch.

WRT to the original audio distribution proposal I want to throw out an
idea that Linus and some of the other high-end kernel developers have
been discussing on the LKML, and it rings true as possibly important
for folks like us doing audio work. The comment was that distribution
packagers haven't accepted the idea of providing a 64-bit kernel with
a 32-bit tool set. The idea, as I understand it, is that with a 64-bit
kernel you get the potential advantages of using all the features of
your newer 64-bit processor - newer hardware flags, more memory. On
the other hand 32-bit apps might work better in virtualized
environments and, in my experience, would provide more backward
compatibility with older audio and Windows stuff. Linus and others
seem to think it's a a good thing to do, but no one is doing it yet.
I'm not qualified to say what's good or bad about it.

Just an idea about how this could lead somewhere different, if enough
people thought it important enough to actually undertake.

Cheers,
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