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	Auto-Wah and Clav... not quite by ken restivo-3 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message For several years I've lusted away over the Clavinet-through-Auto-Wah sound: the Stevie Wonder sound (also used notably by Herbie Hancock, Medeski, Martin and Wood, and others). The problem is that either the LADSPA auto-wah plugin doesn't quite cut it, or the Clav soundfont I found on Hammersound several years ago doesn't have enough dynamic range to really make the thing "wah" in any noticeable way. Am I doing something wrong here, or is the plugin not quite the best implementation, and if so, are there any better ones? Likewise with Clavinet soundfonts too. -ken _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
	Re: Auto-Wah and Clav... not quite by Ernie Dulanowsky-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message What about using separate envelope follower and filter plugins to make your own auto-wah ? cheers, ernie On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Ken Restivo <ken@...> wrote: For several years I've lusted away over the Clavinet-through-Auto-Wah sound: the Stevie Wonder sound (also used notably by Herbie Hancock, Medeski, Martin and Wood, and others). The problem is that either the LADSPA auto-wah plugin doesn't quite cut it, or the Clav soundfont I found on Hammersound several years ago doesn't have enough dynamic range to really make the thing "wah" in any noticeable way. Am I doing something wrong here, or is the plugin not quite the best implementation, and if so, are there any better ones? Likewise with Clavinet soundfonts too. -ken _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- ++++++++++++++++ Ernie Dulanowsky www.pulsewidth.ca ++++++++++++++++ oblique: Are there sections? Consider transitions _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
	Re: Auto-Wah and Clav... not quite by ken restivo-3 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 10:25:49AM -0600, Ernie Dulanowsky wrote: > What about using separate envelope follower and filter plugins to make your > own auto-wah ? > > cheers, > ernie > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Ken Restivo <ken@...> wrote: > > > For several years I've lusted away over the Clavinet-through-Auto-Wah > > sound: the Stevie Wonder sound (also used notably by Herbie Hancock, > > Medeski, Martin and Wood, and others). > > > > The problem is that either the LADSPA auto-wah plugin doesn't quite cut it, > > or the Clav soundfont I found on Hammersound several years ago doesn't have > > enough dynamic range to really make the thing "wah" in any noticeable way. > > > > Am I doing something wrong here, or is the plugin not quite the best > > implementation, and if so, are there any better ones? Likewise with Clavinet > > soundfonts too. > > Hmm, thanks. Well after digging into it a bit, it seems as though a proper "wah" effect is an LPF with a resonant peak at the rolloff point: http://www.geofex.com/Article_Folders/wahpedl/wahped.htm Apparently very easy to do in hardware (2 transistors, couple caps, and an inductor), but I'm not sure where I'd find a LADSPA plugin with this particular frequency response characteristic. Looks like Rakarrack has a wah, and "alien wah" (from Zyn?) and an auto-wah of its own. I'll try those instead. -ken _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
	Re: Auto-Wah and Clav... not quite by Michal Seta :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Hi Ken, Have you tried ecasound? Here you will find some auto-wah presets (this is what google came up with but I believe that file is installed by default with ecasound). http://cvs.seul.org/viewcvs/viewcvs.cgi/checkout/sound/ecasound/effect_presets?rev=1.9 I used it on this song here: http://creazone.ca/snd/mangermanger.mp3 I guess I tweaked it to my needs but it's been so long ago... ./MiS On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Ken Restivo<ken@...> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 10:25:49AM -0600, Ernie Dulanowsky wrote: >> What about using separate envelope follower and filter plugins to make your >> own auto-wah ? >> >> cheers, >> ernie >> >> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Ken Restivo <ken@...> wrote: >> >> > For several years I've lusted away over the Clavinet-through-Auto-Wah >> > sound: the Stevie Wonder sound (also used notably by Herbie Hancock, >> > Medeski, Martin and Wood, and others). >> > >> > The problem is that either the LADSPA auto-wah plugin doesn't quite cut it, >> > or the Clav soundfont I found on Hammersound several years ago doesn't have >> > enough dynamic range to really make the thing "wah" in any noticeable way. >> > >> > Am I doing something wrong here, or is the plugin not quite the best >> > implementation, and if so, are there any better ones? Likewise with Clavinet >> > soundfonts too. >> > > > > Hmm, thanks. Well after digging into it a bit, it seems as though a proper "wah" effect is an LPF with a resonant peak at the rolloff point: > > http://www.geofex.com/Article_Folders/wahpedl/wahped.htm > > Apparently very easy to do in hardware (2 transistors, couple caps, and an inductor), but I'm not sure where I'd find a LADSPA plugin with this particular frequency response characteristic. > > Looks like Rakarrack has a wah, and "alien wah" (from Zyn?) and an auto-wah of its own. I'll try those instead. > > -ken > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user@... > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > -- ./MiS 514-344-0726 http://www.creazone.ca _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
	Re: Auto-Wah and Clav... not quite by Gordon JC Pearce MM3YEQ :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 10:24 -0700, Ken Restivo wrote: > Hmm, thanks. Well after digging into it a bit, it seems as though a > proper "wah" effect is an LPF with a resonant peak at the rolloff > point: > > http://www.geofex.com/Article_Folders/wahpedl/wahped.htm > > Apparently very easy to do in hardware (2 transistors, couple caps, > and an inductor), but I'm not sure where I'd find a LADSPA plugin with > this particular frequency response characteristic. Not quite so simple, because the resonance increases as you sweep the frequency up. You're increasing the gain of the amplifier quite a bit... Gordon MM0YEQ _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@... http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user