Nabble - Backpacking Light

Re: Re: Trangia Hard Anodized Pots

2009-12-07T03:10:29Z

Hi All,
There are several ways in witch hard anodizing can be done on
aluminum. A few are capable of being done at home, and are similar to
electroplating. Generally, the surface is hard and embedded into the
piece. Soo, it resists cracking (though not immune to it) due to dents.
Here is a different link explaining more about it....
http://www.focuser.com/anodize.html
My thoughts only . . .
jdm
At 06:15 PM 12/6/2009, you wrote:

>Hi Bear,
>The Trangia hard anodized pots work better than the non-anodized
>ones, and the anodization makes clean-up simpler. Personally, I'm a big fan of hard anodization. It puts on a very thin layer of super-hard material, but the pot is no heavier after anodization, the layer is that thin.
>Best, Don L.
>
>--- In BackpackingLight@..., "Chinell, David F (GE EntSol, Security)" <david.chinell@...> wrote:
>>
>> To simplify my request...
>>
>> Has anyone used the Trangia hard anodized aluminum pots? How do they
>> compare with plain aluminum?
>>
>> Bear
>>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>
>+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+
>BackpackingLight Mailing List
>To unsubscribe, send a blank message to:
>BackpackingLight-unsubscribe@...
>
>Post messages by E-mailing them to:
>BackpackingLight@...
>+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

James Marco
Computer Operations Manager, Desktop Support
Biomedical Engineering and
Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering
Cornell University
B78A Olin Hall,
Ithaca, NY 14853
Office: 255-7312

Re: Trangia Hard Anodized Pots

2009-12-06T15:15:40Z

Hi Bear,
The Trangia hard anodized pots work better than the non-anodized
ones, and the anodization makes clean-up simpler. Personally, I'm a big fan of hard anodization. It puts on a very thin layer of super-hard material, but the pot is no heavier after anodization, the layer is that thin.
Best, Don L.

--- In BackpackingLight@..., "Chinell, David F (GE EntSol, Security)" <david.chinell@...> wrote:
>
> To simplify my request...
>
> Has anyone used the Trangia hard anodized aluminum pots? How do they
> compare with plain aluminum?
>
> Bear
>

Re: Re: Ultralight Pillows (1.3 oz)

2009-12-05T19:04:20Z

Ralph Oborn wrote:
> Another option might be inflatable neck-brace airline pillows (sold in
> airports)

One of my friends uses these all the time, even at home, because she
says it helps with her sleep apnia. I guess it helps keep your head and
neck in the CPR airway-open position.

CL

Re: Re: Ultralight Pillows (1.3 oz)

2009-12-05T18:43:09Z

Anyway, a those are couple of light-weight solutions. The advantages of the
arm floatie-if one can find them- they are cheap, fairly light, no separate
straw/inflation tube, and can last for a very long time.

Regards,

Rosaleen

Good Idea, I see them all the time in dollar stores.

Another option might be inflatable neck-brace airline pillows (sold in
airports)

Ralph

Re: Re: Turkey

2009-12-05T14:03:01Z

Smaller pieces of meat seem to dehydrate and rehydrate better.
Tony

Re: Re: Turkey

2009-12-05T12:56:38Z

I've not tried to dehydrate/rehydrate turkey. Would be interested to know how it works for you. However, I know of a hearty trail meal that would work well with it. Go here and have Thanksgiving Dinner on the trail. Just substitute the foil packet of chicken for your rehydrated turkey.

http://www.ultimate-ultralight-backpacking.com/chicken-stuffing.html

--Laura Coleman

http://www.ultimate-ultralight-backpacking.com

Re: Ultralight Pillows (1.3 oz)

2009-12-05T12:51:28Z

Ralph-

The Ziploc and other bags I've used do not hold up under pressure.

A lightweight option close to the BPL disposable pillows, albeit noisier: recycled mylar balloons. You might find a free used one or buy one without the helium for less than a filled new balloon. Inflate with a straw, just as the BPL pillows.

One of my favs is StoveStomper's idea of a child's arm floatie with the flat section cut out. One of those inflated "V"-shapes is perfect for my arthritic neck in my hammock. If I am forced to ground-sleep (ugh!), it is just enough air cushioning when added to my Montbel down inner jacket inside a stuff sack.

Hubby and I flew to CA and slept on the new ClearView mattresses while camped last summer. We each found that we needed at least a torso-sized section of Z-rest and a good pillow to be reasonably comfortable. Compared to a hammock, or even a motel bed, we were still not happy sleepers, but got by. The Z-Rest and attaching our pillows made all of the difference to us. The flight attendant said that they do not reuse the pillow cases, so I snagged two of them and hand-sewed casings in each end, then ran a string through the casings and around the underside of the air mattresses. Using either a BPL pillow or a cut-down floatie and our Montbell jackets inside these make-shift anchored pillow cases helped a great deal. Hubby pooh-poohed the idea until I set him up with one.

Anyway, a those are couple of light-weight solutions. The advantages of the arm floatie-if one can find them- they are cheap, fairly light, no separate straw/inflation tube, and can last for a very long time.

Regards,

Rosaleen

--- In BackpackingLight@..., Ralph Oborn <Ralph.oborn@...> wrote:

>
> Wouldn't a one gallon ziploc be cheaper, and lighter?
>
> Ralph
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Roleigh Martin <marti124@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent to you by Roleigh Martin via Google Reader:
> >
> >
> > Ultralight Pillows<http://jolly-green-giant.blogspot.com/2009/11/ultralight-pillows.html>
> > via LIGHTWEIGHT AND ULTRALIGHT BACKPACKING<http://jolly-green-giant.blogspot.com/>by Jolly Green Giant on 11/24/09
> >
> > <http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_NGRHZ4LYYz8/Swg0-nxAZBI/AAAAAAAAA9c/hJkmcH6wVyA/s1600/Pillow.bmp>
> > Sleeping in the backcountry can be a challenge without the right gear.
> > Sleep system components must consider ground comfort, warmth, protection
> > from elements (and possibly animals), and often something to cradle your
> > head. Lightweight backpackers have been known to cut any pillow from their
> > gear list and substitute a rolled up jacket, stuff sack, or even a flexible
> > water bladder instead. Some find this comfortable and some don't. If you're
> > looking for something a little more substantial which won't add too many
> > ounces, here are some to think about.
> >
> > Lighter than those offered by Thermarest or off the shelf at Walmart, but
> > one of the heavier lightweight pillows, is the Cocoon UL Air Pillow which is
> > $19 / 13"x17" / 3.7oz and can be found at
> > http://www.basegear.com/cocoon-ultralight-air-core-pillow.html. This is a
> > very comfortable pillow, but it might be a little heavier than you'd like.
> > Comfort is comfort though, and it might work for you.
> >
> > A popular mainstream pillow is the Montbell UL Comfort Pillow which is
> > $29.00 / 10.6"x18.5"x3.9" / 2.4oz and can be found at
> > http://www.montbell.us/products/disp.php?p_id=1124290. This is a very
> > durable and long lasting solution. At 2.4 ounces, it is a fair weight for a
> > lightweight pillow, but there are lighter options.
> >
> > One new vendor which is fairly unknown is Kookay. This is simply a guy who
> > figured out how to bond materials to form pillows and sleeping pads and is
> > slowly bringing them to market. In my view, he offers likely the lightest
> > and most hearty solution for the weight. That means there are others which
> > are less hearty and more prone to failure and others which are more hearty
> > and unnecessarily heavy. Kookabay's UL pillow is $30 / 12"x7.5"x3.5" / 1.3oz
> > and can be found at http://kookabay.com/.
> >
> > There are three pillows offered by BackpackingLight which are worth
> > discussing. They are nothing but disposable hospital pillows and are sold in
> > three packs for the simple reason that they will fail after a handful of
> > uses. Out of those discussed here, these are also the only pillows made of
> > lightweight plastic and don't have a standard twistable valve. If you're
> > only using them for a very short period, other than rolling up a jacket or
> > using a stuff sack, these are the lightest option. Quite honestly, they are
> > fairly comfortable too. I've found adding a thin 1/4" to 1/8" CCF pad cut to
> > size on top and stuffed into either a shirt or soft pillow case makes it
> > very comfortable and remains lighter than any other option I've discussed.
> > BPL pillows include the FlexAir Ultralight Pillow for $10 3-pack /
> > 14.5"x10.5" / .56oz) at
> > http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/flexair_ultralight_pillow.html,
> > the FlexAir Dual Compartment Ultralight Pillow for $13 3-pack / 19"x12.5" /
> > .98oz) at
> > http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/flexair_dual_ultralight_pillow.html,
> > and the FlexAir Plus Ultralight Pillow for $12 3-pack / 19"x12.5"/ .85oz at
> > http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/flexair_plus_ultralight_pillow.html
> > .
> >
> >
> >
> > Things you can do from here:
> >
> > - Subscribe to LIGHTWEIGHT AND ULTRALIGHT BACKPACKING<http://www.google.com/reader/view/feed%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fjolly-green-giant.blogspot.com%2Ffeeds%2Fposts%2Fdefault?source=email>using
> > *Google Reader*
> > - Get started using Google Reader<http://www.google.com/reader/?source=email>to easily keep up with
> > *all your favorite sites*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: Turkey

2009-12-05T12:38:07Z

HI, William-

My experiments with dehydrating and rehydrating cooked slices of meat (chicken/turkey/beef) were not satisfactory. They were barely edible and still very tough with long soaking and simmering, but I will not be repeating those exeriments. I have much better luck with dehydrating and rehydrating ground beef, turkey, and chicken, mock crab (surimi), which already is cooked when pruchased, and canned tuna, chicken, and salmon. It may be that the canning process changes the food's cell structure, and at some point I will try dehydrating some pressure-cooked meats.

BTW-I did have good results with dehydrating BBQ pulled pork, so you might try shredding a small portion turkey and dehydrating it in a sauce of some sort, whether gravy or BBQ sauce.

Ground turkey, cooked and dehydrated, does well in pasta and rice dishes, as does ground beef. With the addition of a flavorful sauce, it is hard to tell ground turkey from ground beef. Like TVP, it will pretty much take on the flavor of the overall dish.

You may be happiest with freezing leftover Thanskgiving turkey and using canned and ground meats for your dehydrated backpacking meals.

Good luck!

Rosaleen
--- In BackpackingLight@..., wrmusa@... wrote:
>
> Looking at turkey for 3 days, it makes me wonder if anyone has any
> Freezer Bag Cooking menu tips/hints for turkey. High protein and low in
> fat, seems to me it would be a good choice. Does it dehydrate/rehydrate
> well? What else would you combine it with to make a hearty trail meal?
>
> William
> WRMUSA@...

>

Re: Packs

2009-12-02T10:15:22Z

Thanks, Ken. I was thinking of retiring in June, soo, I was trying
to think ahead a bit. The Miniposa is a good pack but a little small
for winter and anything much more'n a week in summer, unless I
have a partner. But the wife has a bit before she can retire, soo, I
will be solo mostly, for the next 4 or 5 years, hence the need.
The G5 is big enough, but lacks the weight carrying...it starts
feeling poor at about 30-35#, though I have reinforced the shoulder
straps and belt to take this weight. I am hoping I can do the same
with the G4, of course. I was thinking of Graphite arrow shafts inside
a cut/folded nightlight pad for a frame. Hopefully, this will keep my
base weight down to ~11#, leaving the rest for food, fuel & water in
the summer. Mostly layers and snowshoes in the winter.
Thanks, again, for the report!
jdm
At 11:33 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote:

>> Thinking of a GG G4. Still, it is a bit heavy at 16.5oz.
>
>I used my G4 in Grand Canyon last May and weighed it at 43 lbs with food
>fuel and water.
>We went down Grandview to Cottonwood, then to Grapevine, and then back.
>4 days, was supposed to be 6, going out Kaibab.
>But, the weather was so hot, we decided to not go through Cremation area,
>dry camp, and came back out early.
>
>IMHO .. I think it maxed the comfort level for the pack.
>The pack handled it well, but I wouldn't do that regularly.
>
>I used my Prolite 3 full length pad with chair kit as the frame (tubular up
>and down), and the stock foam in the hip belt.
>
>Ken

Re: Packs

2009-12-02T08:33:11Z

> Thinking of a GG G4. Still, it is a bit heavy at 16.5oz.

I used my G4 in Grand Canyon last May and weighed it at 43 lbs with food
fuel and water.
We went down Grandview to Cottonwood, then to Grapevine, and then back.
4 days, was supposed to be 6, going out Kaibab.
But, the weather was so hot, we decided to not go through Cremation area,
dry camp, and came back out early.

IMHO .. I think it maxed the comfort level for the pack.
The pack handled it well, but I wouldn't do that regularly.

I used my Prolite 3 full length pad with chair kit as the frame (tubular up
and down), and the stock foam in the hip belt.

Ken

Packs

2009-12-02T03:20:41Z

Hi All,
I have been using my Gossamer Gear G5 for winter hikes,
due mostly to the large volume for clothing. I was sort'a looking at
another backpack for winter travel, and, for long duration hikes in
summer, but the weight range (<40#) sort of excludes most of the
UL packs. Does anyone know of a UL pack that can handle 40#
and will still weigh in at less than one pound itself?
Thinking of a GG G4. Still, it is a bit heavy at 16.5oz.
TIA!
jdm

Re: Cyber Monday GearÂ Deals

2009-12-01T18:43:28Z

This posted just fine in html format. Thanks to the moderators for making the change. One can see it online here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackingLight/message/123654

--- In BackpackingLight@..., Roleigh Martin <marti124@...> wrote:

>
> This is both a test posting and relevant. I'm only posting here to see
> if the embedded html formatting occurs for this posting. For BPL
> enthusiasts, there are pointers here for Keen and Innov-8 shoes, and
> Wenger knifes. If the html feature is not turned on, you need this
> link. I was asked by the moderator here to do a test posting. Here it
> is. Hope you all had a good Thanksgiving week.
>
> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/thegearjunkie/dd/~3/9Y4aIRiywFY/cyber-monday-gear-deals
>
> Sent to you by Roleigh Martin via Google Reader: Cyber Monday Gear
> Deals via GearJunkie.com - Outdoor Gear Reviews by Stephen Regenold on
> 11/30/09
>
> Itâs one of the busiest days of the year for retail electronic commerce
> in the United States. Here are a few options for gear junkies shopping
> online today.
>
> Things you can do from here:
> - Subscribe to GearJunkie.com - Outdoor Gear Reviews using Google Reader
> - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your
> favorite sites
>

Re:introduction

2009-12-01T17:55:54Z

Welcome, Laura!

Elizabeth Rothman

"The purpose of life is to live it, to taste experience to the utmost, to reach out eagerly and without fear for newer and richer experience." - Eleanor Roosevelt

RE: Trangia Hard Anodized Pots

2009-12-01T15:21:39Z

To simplify my request...

Has anyone used the Trangia hard anodized aluminum pots? How do they
compare with plain aluminum?

Bear

Re: introduction

2009-11-30T15:08:38Z

Good Morning Laura,
and Welcome from up here on the North Coast of oHIo....from between the
plowed fields and the cows...not snowin yet, but its tried....NICEEEEE sight
u have there too:):):)Have a nice day,SMILE and be careful bille

Trangia Hard Anodized Pots

2009-11-30T12:26:37Z

Can anyone provide a review of the hard anodized versions of the Trangia
aluminum pots? I'm not a fan of teflon coatings, so I'm just interested
in how the coatings compare with uncoated aluminum versions. Any
experience out there?

Bear

Re: introduction

2009-11-30T10:38:42Z

Thanks for the welcome. I certainly agree with James about reliability...an absolute MUST. Lighter is better (in my pack) but unreliable is useless. There are a few items in my pack that I could do without but choose to accept the weight anyway. It's all about a balance between need/want and weight.

--Laura Coleman
http://www.ultimate-ultralight-backpacking.com

--- On Mon, 11/30/09, James D. Marco <jdm27@...> wrote:

From: James D. Marco <jdm27@...>
Subject: Re: [BackpackingLight] introduction
To: BackpackingLight@...
Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 12:25 PM

Hi Laura,
         Yeah, second Don's welcome. I am always in the market for
newer, lighter techniques. Interesting site you have posted.
         I often opt for reliable in my packing, though. Even if the item
in question is a bit heavier.
         Welcome aboard!
                  jdm
At 10:33 AM 11/30/2009, you wrote:

Hello. I am new to this group and an introduction was requested... so here goes. I was raised by an avid outdoorsman who developed in me a passion to the outdoors. I followed in my father's footsteps and raised "outdoorsy" children. We spent many vacations camping and backpacking. As I got a little older I realized the benefits of light backpacking (an old knee injury punctuated my experience) and began lightening my load.

I love sharing my backpacking experiences with others, especially newbys---it seems we never get tired of telling hiking stories. I publish a small website designed to help the new hiker feel confident and ready for their first hike and beyond. If you know of new hikers that could use a little advice, feel free to send them to www.ultimate- ultralight- backpacking. com.

I look forward to hearing about and trying out the newest gear that the rest of those on this list have enjoyed. It's always fun to get new "toys."

--Laura Coleman
http://www.ultimate -ultralight- backpacking. com

James Marco
Computer Operations Manager, Desktop Support
Biomedical Engineering and
Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering
Cornell University
B78A Olin Hall,
Ithaca, NY 14853
Office: 255-7312

Re: introduction

2009-11-30T10:25:37Z

Hi Laura,
Yeah, second Don's welcome. I am always in the market for
newer, lighter techniques. Interesting site you have posted.
I often opt for reliable in my packing, though. Even if the item
in question is a bit heavier.
Welcome aboard!
jdm
At 10:33 AM 11/30/2009, you wrote:

>Hello. I am new to this group and an introduction was requested...so here goes. I was raised by an avid outdoorsman who developed in me a passion to the outdoors. I followed in my father's footsteps and raised "outdoorsy" children. We spent many vacations camping and backpacking. As I got a little older I realized the benefits of light backpacking (an old knee injury punctuated my experience) and began lightening my load.
>
>I love sharing my backpacking experiences with others, especially newbys---it seems we never get tired of telling hiking stories. I publish a small website designed to help the new hiker feel confident and ready for their first hike and beyond. If you know of new hikers that could use a little advice, feel free to send them to <http://www.ultimate-ultralight-backpacking.com>www.ultimate-ultralight-backpacking.com.
>
>I look forward to hearing about and trying out the newest gear that the rest of those on this list have enjoyed. It's always fun to get new "toys."
>
>--Laura Coleman
>http://www.ultimate-ultralight-backpacking.com
>
>
>
>

James Marco
Computer Operations Manager, Desktop Support
Biomedical Engineering and
Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering
Cornell University
B78A Olin Hall,
Ithaca, NY 14853
Office: 255-7312

Re: introduction

2009-11-30T09:56:17Z

Hello Laura, and welcome. I'm glad you'll be discussing lightweight backpacking issues with our members.
Best, Don L. Moderator

--- Laura Coleman <stillknothome@...> wrote:
...................
> I love sharing my backpacking experiences with others, especially newbys---it seems we never get tired of telling hiking stories. I publish a small website designed to help the new hiker feel confident and ready for their first hike and beyond. If you know of new hikers that could use a little advice, feel free to send them to www.ultimate-ultralight-backpacking.com.
>

Cyber Monday Gear Deals

2009-11-30T08:38:51Z

This is both a test posting and relevant. I'm only posting here to see
if the embedded html formatting occurs for this posting. For BPL
enthusiasts, there are pointers here for Keen and Innov-8 shoes, and
Wenger knifes. If the html feature is not turned on, you need this
link. I was asked by the moderator here to do a test posting. Here it
is. Hope you all had a good Thanksgiving week.

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/thegearjunkie/dd/~3/9Y4aIRiywFY/cyber-monday-gear-deals

Sent to you by Roleigh Martin via Google Reader: Cyber Monday Gear
Deals via GearJunkie.com - Outdoor Gear Reviews by Stephen Regenold on
11/30/09

It’s one of the busiest days of the year for retail electronic commerce
in the United States. Here are a few options for gear junkies shopping
online today.

Things you can do from here:
- Subscribe to GearJunkie.com - Outdoor Gear Reviews using Google Reader
- Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your
favorite sites

introduction

2009-11-30T07:33:25Z

Hello. I am new to this group and an introduction was requested...so here goes. I was raised by an avid outdoorsman who developed in me a passion to the outdoors. I followed in my father's footsteps and raised "outdoorsy" children. We spent many vacations camping and backpacking. As I got a little older I realized the benefits of light backpacking (an old knee injury punctuated my experience) and began lightening my load.

I love sharing my backpacking experiences with others, especially newbys---it seems we never get tired of telling hiking stories. I publish a small website designed to help the new hiker feel confident and ready for their first hike and beyond. If you know of new hikers that could use a little advice, feel free to send them to www.ultimate-ultralight-backpacking.com.

I look forward to hearing about and trying out the newest gear that the rest of those on this list have enjoyed. It's always fun to get new "toys."

--Laura Coleman
http://www.ultimate-ultralight-backpacking.com

Turkey

2009-11-29T10:11:44Z

Looking at turkey for 3 days, it makes me wonder if anyone has any
Freezer Bag Cooking menu tips/hints for turkey. High protein and low in
fat, seems to me it would be a good choice. Does it dehydrate/rehydrate
well? What else would you combine it with to make a hearty trail meal?

William
WRMUSA@...
____________________________________________________________
Weight Loss Program
Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here!
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=oZ7mBvOfkmILSMifSTgCCAAAJ1D77D6VAlfkgTRskiy17xDbAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA=

'Black Friday' at REI

2009-11-25T14:35:50Z

Sent to you by Roleigh Martin via Google Reader: 'Black Friday' at REI
via GearJunkie.com - Outdoor Gear Reviews by Ryan Dionne on 11/25/09

In the spirit of ‘Black Friday,’ REI is giving away gift cards this
Friday to the first 300 customers at each store. Go get in line.

Things you can do from here:
- Subscribe to GearJunkie.com - Outdoor Gear Reviews using Google Reader
- Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your
favorite sites

Re: Re: Backpack Geartest review of ultralight towels

2009-11-25T11:42:32Z

Leslie,
Well, slow room service is terrible. 'Specially when it takes them 6 days to
get the request and 6days to answer to it ;-) Rain? I recall one trip of about a
week that it did nothing but rain. We had two semi-nice days...sun paddling in,
sun paddling out....wind and rain for the rest of the week....
Anyway, it is times like those that really make or break a towel/bandana.
Putting the tarp over the fire, and us under the tarp, were really the only place
we could dry off. We had a cloths line with all the cloths hanging from it under
the tarp. We would dry the bandana's continuously over the fire, dry off what
we could, repeat the process. There weren't any dry branches, 'cept in the fire!
Anyway, we try not to laugh to hard at what Backpacker magazine says
is "essential." I think my pack would weigh about 5#6, alone. And my boots
another 2# each.... But, for you, this is probably good juju. They stick to the
mainstream, mostly. If they do not stain with oils (I am afraid they do, though)
another good place would be Hot Rod & ilk. Grant is a pleasure to deal with
over at GG. They do like to tinker with stuff, over there.
Cotton is not a performance fiber, I hope. It will soak water into the
fibers. Very heat resistant, water will steam out of it, also sterilizing it. Uhhh,
urine is actually sterile, unless you are very sick. That said, Confucius was
probably referring to feces and bacteria growing on mucous, not knowing
what to distinguish. Anyway, mostly TP does a better job with a lot less
worries. Washing the bandana out and steaming it over a fire will likely
sterilize it OK, in a pinch. But, I think I would rather not have to use it that way
and then filter floaties out of a bottle of drinking water. Even if I do radiate it.
Let us know what you find!
My thoughts only . . .
jdm
At 07:03 AM 11/24/2009, you wrote:
>Hi, Thanks to everyone for very useful input. I rely on you because quite honestly, my idea of roughing it is slow room service. But, I'm now in my 50's and with 2 companies to run, I don't have any energy to actually "run". I do own a Curves fitness, so I work out, but never in the rain! lol
>
>A few points I can address, some will require a field test, so here goes. As far as a medical aid I would think our
<...deleted>

Share my happiness!!!

2009-11-25T08:31:57Z

Hi, I am willing to give you a big surprise: www.ooaap.com. I bought an Apple Mac book one week ago from this website. Now, I have received it. This product quality is very good. They also sell phones, TV, motors and so on. By the way, they mainly sell new and original products and they have many good feedback. Because The upcoming Christmas and New Year's, so many companies are promoting their products. ooaap website also have very competitive prices. If you need these products, you can have a look. It is a good chance that you should not lose. Greetings!

Re: Ultralight Pillows (1.3 oz)

2009-11-25T04:07:22Z

I have a silnet stuff sack that has a layer of fleece in the inside. You just empty it, turn it inside out and restuff it with clothing. The fleece is soft against your face but also helps stop it from sliding around.

Karl

Re: Ultralight Pillows (1.3 oz)

2009-11-24T19:27:19Z

Personally, I super love my Montbell 2.4 oz pillow, because it
toggle-attaches to the montbell sleeping pad keeping the pillow secure on
the pad and making effectively the 5' long pad 5'10" long. I also like the
feel of the fabric on my face. I would not like the feel of a ziplock
plastic on my face.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Cara Lin Bridgman <shokulan@...>wrote:

> Not to mention multi-use...
>
> CL
>
> Ralph Oborn wrote:
> > Wouldn't a one gallon ziploc be cheaper, and lighter?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
> +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+
> BackpackingLight Mailing List
> To unsubscribe, send a blank message to:
> BackpackingLight-unsubscribe@...
>
> Post messages by E-mailing them to:
> BackpackingLight@...
> +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+Yahoo! Groups
> Links
>
>
>
>

Re: Ultralight Pillows (1.3 oz)

2009-11-24T17:02:44Z

Not to mention multi-use...

CL

Ralph Oborn wrote:
> Wouldn't a one gallon ziploc be cheaper, and lighter?

Re: Ultralight Pillows (1.3 oz)

2009-11-24T15:10:44Z

Wouldn't a one gallon ziploc be cheaper, and lighter?

Ralph

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Roleigh Martin <marti124@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Sent to you by Roleigh Martin via Google Reader:
>
>
> Ultralight Pillows<http://jolly-green-giant.blogspot.com/2009/11/ultralight-pillows.html>
> via LIGHTWEIGHT AND ULTRALIGHT BACKPACKING<http://jolly-green-giant.blogspot.com/>by Jolly Green Giant on 11/24/09
>
> <http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_NGRHZ4LYYz8/Swg0-nxAZBI/AAAAAAAAA9c/hJkmcH6wVyA/s1600/Pillow.bmp>
> Sleeping in the backcountry can be a challenge without the right gear.
> Sleep system components must consider ground comfort, warmth, protection
> from elements (and possibly animals), and often something to cradle your
> head. Lightweight backpackers have been known to cut any pillow from their
> gear list and substitute a rolled up jacket, stuff sack, or even a flexible
> water bladder instead. Some find this comfortable and some don’t. If you’re
> looking for something a little more substantial which won’t add too many
> ounces, here are some to think about.
>
> Lighter than those offered by Thermarest or off the shelf at Walmart, but
> one of the heavier lightweight pillows, is the Cocoon UL Air Pillow which is
> $19 / 13”x17” / 3.7oz and can be found at
> http://www.basegear.com/cocoon-ultralight-air-core-pillow.html. This is a
> very comfortable pillow, but it might be a little heavier than you’d like.
> Comfort is comfort though, and it might work for you.
>
> A popular mainstream pillow is the Montbell UL Comfort Pillow which is
> $29.00 / 10.6”x18.5”x3.9” / 2.4oz and can be found at
> http://www.montbell.us/products/disp.php?p_id=1124290. This is a very
> durable and long lasting solution. At 2.4 ounces, it is a fair weight for a
> lightweight pillow, but there are lighter options.
>
> One new vendor which is fairly unknown is Kookay. This is simply a guy who
> figured out how to bond materials to form pillows and sleeping pads and is
> slowly bringing them to market. In my view, he offers likely the lightest
> and most hearty solution for the weight. That means there are others which
> are less hearty and more prone to failure and others which are more hearty
> and unnecessarily heavy. Kookabay’s UL pillow is $30 / 12”x7.5”x3.5” / 1.3oz
> and can be found at http://kookabay.com/.
>
> There are three pillows offered by BackpackingLight which are worth
> discussing. They are nothing but disposable hospital pillows and are sold in
> three packs for the simple reason that they will fail after a handful of
> uses. Out of those discussed here, these are also the only pillows made of
> lightweight plastic and don’t have a standard twistable valve. If you’re
> only using them for a very short period, other than rolling up a jacket or
> using a stuff sack, these are the lightest option. Quite honestly, they are
> fairly comfortable too. I’ve found adding a thin 1/4” to 1/8” CCF pad cut to
> size on top and stuffed into either a shirt or soft pillow case makes it
> very comfortable and remains lighter than any other option I’ve discussed.
> BPL pillows include the FlexAir Ultralight Pillow for $10 3-pack /
> 14.5”x10.5” / .56oz) at
> http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/flexair_ultralight_pillow.html,
> the FlexAir Dual Compartment Ultralight Pillow for $13 3-pack / 19”x12.5” /
> .98oz) at
> http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/flexair_dual_ultralight_pillow.html,
> and the FlexAir Plus Ultralight Pillow for $12 3-pack / 19”x12.5”/ .85oz at
> http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/flexair_plus_ultralight_pillow.html
> .
>
>
>
> Things you can do from here:
>
> - Subscribe to LIGHTWEIGHT AND ULTRALIGHT BACKPACKING<http://www.google.com/reader/view/feed%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fjolly-green-giant.blogspot.com%2Ffeeds%2Fposts%2Fdefault?source=email>using
> *Google Reader*
> - Get started using Google Reader<http://www.google.com/reader/?source=email>to easily keep up with
> *all your favorite sites*
>
>
>
>
>
>

Ultralight Pillows (1.3 oz)

2009-11-24T15:06:52Z

Sent to you by Roleigh Martin via Google Reader: Ultralight Pillows
via LIGHTWEIGHT AND ULTRALIGHT BACKPACKING by Jolly Green Giant on
11/24/09

Sleeping in the backcountry can be a challenge without the right gear.
Sleep system components must consider ground comfort, warmth,
protection from elements (and possibly animals), and often something to
cradle your head. Lightweight backpackers have been known to cut any
pillow from their gear list and substitute a rolled up jacket, stuff
sack, or even a flexible water bladder instead. Some find this
comfortable and some don’t. If you’re looking for something a little
more substantial which won’t add too many ounces, here are some to
think about.

Lighter than those offered by Thermarest or off the shelf at Walmart,
but one of the heavier lightweight pillows, is the Cocoon UL Air Pillow
which is $19 / 13”x17” / 3.7oz and can be found at
http://www.basegear.com/cocoon-ultralight-air-core-pillow.html. This is
a very comfortable pillow, but it might be a little heavier than you’d
like. Comfort is comfort though, and it might work for you.

A popular mainstream pillow is the Montbell UL Comfort Pillow which is
$29.00 / 10.6”x18.5”x3.9” / 2.4oz and can be found at
http://www.montbell.us/products/disp.php?p_id=1124290. This is a very
durable and long lasting solution. At 2.4 ounces, it is a fair weight
for a lightweight pillow, but there are lighter options.

One new vendor which is fairly unknown is Kookay. This is simply a guy
who figured out how to bond materials to form pillows and sleeping pads
and is slowly bringing them to market. In my view, he offers likely the
lightest and most hearty solution for the weight. That means there are
others which are less hearty and more prone to failure and others which
are more hearty and unnecessarily heavy. Kookabay’s UL pillow is $30 /
12”x7.5”x3.5” / 1.3oz and can be found at http://kookabay.com/.

There are three pillows offered by BackpackingLight which are worth
discussing. They are nothing but disposable hospital pillows and are
sold in three packs for the simple reason that they will fail after a
handful of uses. Out of those discussed here, these are also the only
pillows made of lightweight plastic and don’t have a standard twistable
valve. If you’re only using them for a very short period, other than
rolling up a jacket or using a stuff sack, these are the lightest
option. Quite honestly, they are fairly comfortable too. I’ve found
adding a thin 1/4” to 1/8” CCF pad cut to size on top and stuffed into
either a shirt or soft pillow case makes it very comfortable and
remains lighter than any other option I’ve discussed. BPL pillows
include the FlexAir Ultralight Pillow for $10 3-pack /
14.5”x10.5” / .56oz) at
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/flexair_ultralight_pillow.html,
the FlexAir Dual Compartment Ultralight Pillow for $13 3-pack /
19”x12.5” / .98oz) at
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/flexair_dual_ultralight_pillow.html,
and the FlexAir Plus Ultralight Pillow for $12 3-pack /
19”x12.5”/ .85oz at
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/flexair_plus_ultralight_pillow.html.
Things you can do from here:
- Subscribe to LIGHTWEIGHT AND ULTRALIGHT BACKPACKING using Google
Reader
- Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your
favorite sites

Re: Re: ENGO Blister-RelievingÂ Patches

2009-11-24T11:26:16Z

What brand did you use, the Engo patches I've used for over 2 years and they
stay on some insoles for months. I only had one patch last only as long as
10 days. Are you attaching them to a clean surface of the shoe?

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:43 AM, jbuchus <jdbuch123@...> wrote:

>
>
> --- In BackpackingLight@..., "James D. Marco" <jdm27@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Roleigh,
> > I like the looks of these. Duct Tape never looked as fancy
> > as that stuff.
> > Thanks!
> > jdm
> > At 11:15 AM 11/23/2009, you wrote:
> >
> >
> > >I highly recommend these. The more you avoid putting stuff on your feet,
> it enables you to get the feet wet more often throughout the day during
> water breaks. Put things equivalent to moleskin on the shoe!
>
> This last summer, I bought some "high tech" new blister treatment pads
> while hiking. The outfitter shop was enthusiastic about this new thing. Each
> pad was advertised to stay on "up to 7 days". Each pad used fell off after 1
> day. That was still within the claim "up to 7 days".
>
> I threw them away and went back to "old reliable".
>
> Each pad cost over $1. I can understand the enthusiasm of the outfitter.
>
> I don't remember the name of the product.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
> +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+
> BackpackingLight Mailing List
> To unsubscribe, send a blank message to:
> BackpackingLight-unsubscribe@...
>
> Post messages by E-mailing them to:
> BackpackingLight@...
> +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+Yahoo! Groups
> Links
>
>
>
>

Re: ENGO Blister-RelievingÂ Patches

2009-11-24T04:43:17Z

--- In BackpackingLight@..., "James D. Marco" <jdm27@...> wrote:

>
> Roleigh,
> I like the looks of these. Duct Tape never looked as fancy
> as that stuff.
> Thanks!
> jdm
> At 11:15 AM 11/23/2009, you wrote:
>
>
> >I highly recommend these. The more you avoid putting stuff on your feet, it enables you to get the feet wet more often throughout the day during water breaks. Put things equivalent to moleskin on the shoe!

This last summer, I bought some "high tech" new blister treatment pads while hiking. The outfitter shop was enthusiastic about this new thing. Each pad was advertised to stay on "up to 7 days". Each pad used fell off after 1 day. That was still within the claim "up to 7 days".

I threw them away and went back to "old reliable".

Each pad cost over $1. I can understand the enthusiasm of the outfitter.

I don't remember the name of the product.

Re: Restoring the DWR on a Gore-tex Jacket

2009-11-24T04:08:40Z

Revivex is made by McNett Corp and is an excellent product, in fact we bring it into Canada to sell in my outerwear store. But, they make more than one kind so be aware...if you have a jacket that is a softshell such as Polartec Powershield that "wicks" from the inside, you should use the version of Revivex that is specific to those technical fabrics. If you use the regular Revivex, which is for goretex and windblocker that doesn't wick, it will affect the wicking ability of your softshell. Both of them are probably available at REI or any of the better outdoor stores.
Leslie
Discovery Trekking Outfitters.

--- In BackpackingLight@..., Roleigh Martin <marti124@...> wrote:

>
> I wonder if eVent jacket treatment is the same.
>
> Sent to you by Roleigh Martin via Google Reader: Restoring the DWR on a
> Gore-tex Jacket via sectionhiker.com by Earlylite on 11/18/09
>
>
>
> When I went backpacking last weekend, I experienced ideal conditions
> for developing hypothermia. I was hiking through heavy mist and light
> rain, which grew heavier as the day wore on. Temperatures were in the
> low 40's F and the wind was blowing at about 20 miles an hour. After a
> few hours of this, I got soaked and cold. The durable water repellent
> (DWR) coating on my Gore-tex shell had stopped shedding rain.
>
> Gore-tex clothing is made by sandwiching a Gore-tex layer between two
> moderately porous fabrics. A DWR coating is applied to the external
> layer to prevent it from absorbing water. The DWR penetrates the fibers
> and lowers the surface tension of the external fabric, causing water to
> bead up and roll off of it when it gets wet.
>
> Over time, the DWR coating wears off from normal wear and tear. When
> this happens, rain will saturate the external layer and the garment
> will stop being breathable. Sweat will build up inside the jacket,
> soaking everything you are wearing underneath.
>
> When the temperature outside is cool and your jacket wets out, you are
> likely to feel chilled, even if you're carrying a backpack and
> generating a lot of heat. That's exactly what happened to me. I was
> wearing a single layer under my coat, a Patagonia Capilene Two long
> sleeve jersey, which became soaked as the sweat built up on the inside
> of my jacket. This caused my entire layering system to break down
> because there wasn't a dry layer next to my skin to transport sweat
> away from it. My body reacted by trying to evaporate the water in my
> jersey, burning more calories in the process, which left me feeling
> cold.
>
> I was very aware of the hypothermia danger when all this was happening.
> My hands were cold because my liner gloves had become soaked and my
> back was cold underneath my pack. I decided that I would stop and camp
> if I started to shiver. I added a polarguard vest to my layering system
> to preserve my core heat and then ate a big snack with cookies,
> crystallized ginger, nuts, and a packet of Justin's Nut Butter, washed
> down with a lot of water. That warmed me up pretty good and I made it
> to my destination a few hours later, still wet and cold, but out of
> danger.
>
> After I got home from that trip, I applied McNett's Revivex, a
> water-based DWR treatment, to my Gore-tex Jacket to prevent another
> episode of wet out. This process is easy and has 3 simple steps:
>
> - Wash your jacket to remove any dirt or salt build-up. Read the care
> instructions on your jacket before doing this. Some manufacturers
> recommend only using powdered detergent instead of a liquid. I don't
> use any, and just wash the garment in a washing machine in cold water.
> I'm paranoid about using soap because it might block up the Gore-tex
> layer: my Paclite Celestial Jacket is not manufactured by Outdoor
> Research anymore and I consider it irreplaceable.
> - When the coat is still wet, spray on the Revivex solution, applying
> an extra amount to the shoulders, hood, and at the ends of the sleeves.
> The external material should be wet but not be dripping.
> - Let the coat air dry. Then put it into a dryer by itself and dry it
> for 60 minutes on medium heat.
> The entire process takes under 3 hours and works like a charm. Water
> just rolls of my Gore-tex jacket now. The Revivex really does the
> trick. A 5 oz bottle will treat 1-2 garments and only costs $8.00.
>
> Related posts:
> - How to Wash Gore-tex Clothing On my way out to work yesterday, my
> wife...
> - Mountain Hardware Phantom Down Jacket I bought the Mountain Hardware
> Phantom Down Jacket on...
> - Montbell Thermawrap Jacket I adore my Montbell Ultralight Thermawrap
> Jacket. Itâs lightweight (a...
> - Marmot DriClime Catalyst Jacket I got turned onto the Marmot DriClime
> Catalyst Jacket ...
> - REI Momentum Soft Shell Jacket The REI Momentum Jacket is a very
> basic soft shell...
>
> Things you can do from here:
> - Subscribe to sectionhiker.com using Google Reader
> - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your
> favorite sites
>

Re: Backpack Geartest review of ultralight towels

2009-11-24T04:03:32Z

Hi, Thanks to everyone for very useful input. I rely on you because quite honestly, my idea of roughing it is slow room service. But, I'm now in my 50's and with 2 companies to run, I don't have any energy to actually "run". I do own a Curves fitness, so I work out, but never in the rain! lol

A few points I can address, some will require a field test, so here goes. As far as a medical aid I would think our towels have a huge advantage because the fabric is stretchy. This would allow holding up or tying an injury with greater ease and more comfort than a cotton towel that might not be quite big enough.Also, the Silver in the fabric kills bacteria, and given some of your suggested uses...I would think that is a pretty big advantage where possible injury is concerned. Although I was asking specifically about your comments on the 34" x 28" ultralight, we do manufacture a smaller 24" x 24" for Gossamer Gear because they obviously know the needs of their customers, and wanted it to double as headgear....so yes, they can make a good bandana.

As for whether you can strain water, yes. Coffee...I'll check that out today and report back but quite honestly we've never thought to hold our towels over a fire. But, I haven't felt the need to hold any of my cotton towels over a fire either, so I'll give you an unbiased report back on that too. (We have a firepit in the back yard...that's really roughing it for me.)
One comment about drying, though. This is moisture-management fabric and it dries 4 times faster than cotton even when hung to dry on a branch, so the gear testers so far have not had the need to put it over a fire. My guess is that, like any of your performance clothing, fire probably isn't the best place to dry....but I'll see what happens.

I read with interest all the things you do with a towel. Somehow I don't see myself using the same towel to pee, then strain coffee. Confucious did warn about that practice, as I recall. Maybe I should sell them in 2 packs?

Even though we will ultimately "go" with the size that most prefer, please note that we have the unusual ability to custom-make any size you wish. My company started very small and we still make a lot of "one-of-a-kind" in our shop in British Columbia, because part of the business is custom clothing. So, if you have a special need, you can always call us. Many times those requests are what drive a new product idea, or at least an improvement or change. Many manufacturers miss out on this opportunity to keep in touch with their customers needs which is a huge mistake. In the store, we use leftovers from our hot flash pillowcases (which are the same fabric as the ultrlight towel) to make facecloths. We just can't put them on our website because they are very limited in supply, but you get the idea.
I just heard that Backpacker magazine is planning on including our ultralight towel in their spring "essential gear" guide...so its really important that I get this right, before we mass produce.As this requires packaging design, we sure don't want to put the wrong dimensions on it! I really appreciate your continued input.

Oh yeah. About the hang tag. We did that for a while on our smallest running towel, and many people said it was unnecessary. So, my solution to this was to offer a special gripping clip which is multi-functional. That way, one clip can be used for not only the towel, but socks or anything you need to hang to dry to secure. I don't manufacture the clip, it's actually made by glove guard but its the most useful clip I've seen.
Regards, Leslie

--- In BackpackingLight@..., "Tim" <casey51234@...> wrote:

>
> Leslie-
>
> Perhaps I missed it in the reviews, but would seem to me an important point- does your product do the various tasks that a cotton bandanna provides? I'm thinking use as a headband on a hot & humid day, and as a prefilter for drinking water that has a lot of floaties, although other uses count too.
>
> Tim Greiner
>
> --- Leslie wrote:
> >
> > Hi, this is Leslie Hanes, the owner of Discovery Trekking Outfitters in Canada. You may recall that I sent information to you about a lightweight towel we manufacture, that has been featured in many magazines. Even though it is selling really well (REI now carries it in all western stores) we got feedback from some ultralite hikers that they wanted an even lighter towel. We now make an ultra-lite version, but before we market it on a wide basis, we wanted to get unbiased feedback. The 3 gear testers at Backpack Geartest took both versions of our 34" x 28" towel out and tested for 3 months. You can see the results on their website link http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Personal%20Hygiene/Towels/Wick-er%20Warm%20Up%20Towels/
>

Re: ENGO Blister-RelievingÂ Patches

2009-11-24T00:46:01Z

Roleigh,
I like the looks of these. Duct Tape never looked as fancy
as that stuff.
Thanks!
jdm
At 11:15 AM 11/23/2009, you wrote:

>I highly recommend these. The more you avoid putting stuff on your feet, it enables you to get the feet wet more often throughout the day during water breaks. Put things equivalent to moleskin on the shoe!
>
>
>
>
>
>Sent to you by Roleigh Martin via Google Reader:
>