Best Editor In Windows

[Nathan P. Campos]

Hello,
 I'm very new at Haskell, i'm reading a book and starting, but i want to know which is the best editor for development under Windows, because now i'm using Notepad++(That i use to develop in C++).

Thanks,
 Nathan Paullino Campos

[Tom.Amundsen]

Nathan P. Campos wrote:

Hello,
 I'm very new at Haskell, i'm reading a book and starting, but i want to know which is the best editor for development under Windows, because now i'm using Notepad++(That i use to develop in C++).

Thanks,
 Nathan Paullino Campos

If you use emacs, check out http://www.haskell.org/haskell-mode/

[Stefan Monnier]

> I'm very new at Haskell, i'm reading a book and starting, but i want to
> know which is the best editor for development under Windows, because now
> i'm using Notepad++(That i use to develop in C++).

The best editor for development is Emacs, of course.
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs


        Stefan



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[Paulo Tanimoto-2]

Hello!

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Stefan Monnier
<monnier@...> wrote:
>> I'm very new at Haskell, i'm reading a book and starting, but i want to
>> know which is the best editor for development under Windows, because now
>> i'm using Notepad++(That i use to develop in C++).
>
> The best editor for development is Emacs, of course.
> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs
>
>
>        Stefan

I've been using Emacs with haskell-mode that Stefan Monnier created
and maintains, and I have to say, it's fantastic!  On Linux or
Windows, it just works(TM).

Thank you, Stefan!


The only thing I haven't figured out is how to do tab-completion of
words in the ghci buffer.  Do I need to use a different key
combination?  I couldn't find that in the documentation.

Paulo
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[Gregory Crosswhite-2]

In my humble opinion, one of the best editors for development of all  
time is Leo:

        http://webpages.charter.net/edreamleo/front.html

Leo takes the idea of "code folding" and gives you complete control  
over it.  That is, unlike other editors which only let you fold the  
code inside if/while/for/etc. statements and which only show you an  
outline consisting of a level for files and a level for function, Leo  
lets you structure the levels of your outline arbitrarily so that you  
can "fold" arbitrary chunks of code and do things like grouping  
together functions and files with a similar purpose or  
implementation.  By structuring your code as an outline, you make it  
easier for others and yourself both to navigate through the code and  
also to see at a glance the high-level structure.

Anyway, just wanted to use this opportunity to plug my favorite  
tool.  :-)  The downside about it is that the implementation sometimes  
feels a bit slow and clunky, so part of me really hopes that at the  
very least people will learn enough about this tool to take its ideas  
and steal them for other editors!

Cheers,
Greg


On Oct 15, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:

>> I'm very new at Haskell, i'm reading a book and starting, but i  
>> want to
>> know which is the best editor for development under Windows,  
>> because now
>> i'm using Notepad++(That i use to develop in C++).
>
> The best editor for development is Emacs, of course.
> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs
>
>
>        Stefan
>
>
>
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[Stefan Monnier]

> The only thing I haven't figured out is how to do tab-completion of
> words in the ghci buffer.  Do I need to use a different key
> combination?  I couldn't find that in the documentation.

I think it's just a missing feature.


        Stefan

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[Deniz Dogan-3]

2009/10/16 Gregory Crosswhite <gcross@...>:

> In my humble opinion, one of the best editors for development of all time is
> Leo:
>
>        http://webpages.charter.net/edreamleo/front.html
>
> Leo takes the idea of "code folding" and gives you complete control over it.
>  That is, unlike other editors which only let you fold the code inside
> if/while/for/etc. statements and which only show you an outline consisting
> of a level for files and a level for function, Leo lets you structure the
> levels of your outline arbitrarily so that you can "fold" arbitrary chunks
> of code and do things like grouping together functions and files with a
> similar purpose or implementation.  By structuring your code as an outline,
> you make it easier for others and yourself both to navigate through the code
> and also to see at a glance the high-level structure.
>
> Anyway, just wanted to use this opportunity to plug my favorite tool.  :-)
>  The downside about it is that the implementation sometimes feels a bit slow
> and clunky, so part of me really hopes that at the very least people will
> learn enough about this tool to take its ideas and steal them for other
> editors!
>
> Cheers,
> Greg
>

This should come as no surprise, but Emacs can do this as well.

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[Peter Verswyvelen-2]

If you're a Windows developer and don't want to spent time to learn all the alien emacs keyboard shortcuts, you can get going quickly by using this emacs patch:

http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/EmacsW32.html

Then use "set all to Emacs!W32" and your keys behave like all other editors on Windows.

Of course I guess the Emacs shortcuts are deliberately chosen the way they are, but using these Emacs shortcuts makes it hard to also use any other editor on Windows IMO.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Deniz Dogan <deniz.a.m.dogan@...> wrote:

2009/10/16 Gregory Crosswhite <gcross@...>:

> In my humble opinion, one of the best editors for development of all time is
> Leo:
>
>        http://webpages.charter.net/edreamleo/front.html
>
> Leo takes the idea of "code folding" and gives you complete control over it.
>  That is, unlike other editors which only let you fold the code inside
> if/while/for/etc. statements and which only show you an outline consisting
> of a level for files and a level for function, Leo lets you structure the
> levels of your outline arbitrarily so that you can "fold" arbitrary chunks
> of code and do things like grouping together functions and files with a
> similar purpose or implementation.  By structuring your code as an outline,
> you make it easier for others and yourself both to navigate through the code
> and also to see at a glance the high-level structure.
>
> Anyway, just wanted to use this opportunity to plug my favorite tool.  :-)
>  The downside about it is that the implementation sometimes feels a bit slow
> and clunky, so part of me really hopes that at the very least people will
> learn enough about this tool to take its ideas and steal them for other
> editors!
>
> Cheers,
> Greg
>

This should come as no surprise, but Emacs can do this as well.

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[Rafael Gustavo da Cunha Pereira Pinto-2]

Real programmers use butterflies!!

http://xkcd.com/378/


The best editor is the one that suites YOU better. I use VIM, even in Windows, but that's me!

Best regards,

Rafael

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 07:32, Peter Verswyvelen <bugfact@...> wrote:

If you're a Windows developer and don't want to spent time to learn all the alien emacs keyboard shortcuts, you can get going quickly by using this emacs patch:

http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/EmacsW32.html

Then use "set all to Emacs!W32" and your keys behave like all other editors on Windows.

Of course I guess the Emacs shortcuts are deliberately chosen the way they are, but using these Emacs shortcuts makes it hard to also use any other editor on Windows IMO.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Deniz Dogan <deniz.a.m.dogan@...> wrote:

2009/10/16 Gregory Crosswhite <gcross@...>:

> In my humble opinion, one of the best editors for development of all time is
> Leo:
>
>        http://webpages.charter.net/edreamleo/front.html
>
> Leo takes the idea of "code folding" and gives you complete control over it.
>  That is, unlike other editors which only let you fold the code inside
> if/while/for/etc. statements and which only show you an outline consisting
> of a level for files and a level for function, Leo lets you structure the
> levels of your outline arbitrarily so that you can "fold" arbitrary chunks
> of code and do things like grouping together functions and files with a
> similar purpose or implementation.  By structuring your code as an outline,
> you make it easier for others and yourself both to navigate through the code
> and also to see at a glance the high-level structure.
>
> Anyway, just wanted to use this opportunity to plug my favorite tool.  :-)
>  The downside about it is that the implementation sometimes feels a bit slow
> and clunky, so part of me really hopes that at the very least people will
> learn enough about this tool to take its ideas and steal them for other
> editors!
>
> Cheers,
> Greg
>

This should come as no surprise, but Emacs can do this as well.

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[JP Moresmau-2]

Hello

I've been working on eclipse-fp to bring it up to working order again,
so if you like Eclipse, you can download the source from
git://github.com/JPMoresmau/eclipsefp.git
(hopefully there will be a binary release soon).
This is based on my customized Scion library
(git://github.com/JPMoresmau/scion.git).
I'm using Windows myself.

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[Stefan Monnier]

> Real programmers use butterflies!!

In Emacs-23, this is available as M-x butterfly C-M-c
Too bad it wasn't around when I was writing my thesis,


        Stefan

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[Paulo Tanimoto-2]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Stefan Monnier
<monnier@...> wrote:
>> The only thing I haven't figured out is how to do tab-completion of
>> words in the ghci buffer.  Do I need to use a different key
>> combination?  I couldn't find that in the documentation.
>
> I think it's just a missing feature.
>

OK!  Let me know if there's anything I can do to help.  I noticed that
other modes, e.g. ESS for R, do have tab-completion, but just skimming
the source code I couldn't find how exactly they do that.

Paulo
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[Gregory Crosswhite-2]

While Emacs has some outline capabilities, they are not at this time  
remotely as nice or as powerful as Leo, which among other things:

        *) does not require that you manually specify the depth of each node
        *) can automatically concatenate child nodes together so that you  
don't have to insert a section heading for each child node inside of  
the parent
        *) has a separate navigation and editing panel, rather than doing  
everything inline
        *) allows you to view your whole project as an outline spanning  
multiple files in multiple directories
        *) automatically takes care of embedding the outline information into  
the source files for you, so that you can use a single set of outline  
commands for source files in any language and Leo will work out how to  
translate them into comments behind-the-scenes
        *) allows you to "clone" nodes so that you can have multiple views of  
your project;  this way, for example, when working on a feature that  
spans several nodes you can clone all of the affected nodes and gather  
them together in one place
        *) has a special command "@ .... @c" that lets you easily put multi-
line comments in source files even if the language only supports line  
comments

Don't get me wrong, I would welcome seeing Emacs have outlining  
features for code development that are as powerful as Leo's, but it  
isn't there yet and hacking what is there to bring it up to parity  
with Leo would be highly non-trivial.

- Greg

On Oct 16, 2009, at 2:29 AM, Deniz Dogan wrote:

> 2009/10/16 Gregory Crosswhite <gcross@...>:
>> In my humble opinion, one of the best editors for development of  
>> all time is
>> Leo:
>>
>>        http://webpages.charter.net/edreamleo/front.html
>>
>> Leo takes the idea of "code folding" and gives you complete control  
>> over it.
>>  That is, unlike other editors which only let you fold the code  
>> inside
>> if/while/for/etc. statements and which only show you an outline  
>> consisting
>> of a level for files and a level for function, Leo lets you  
>> structure the
>> levels of your outline arbitrarily so that you can "fold" arbitrary  
>> chunks
>> of code and do things like grouping together functions and files  
>> with a
>> similar purpose or implementation.  By structuring your code as an  
>> outline,
>> you make it easier for others and yourself both to navigate through  
>> the code
>> and also to see at a glance the high-level structure.
>>
>> Anyway, just wanted to use this opportunity to plug my favorite  
>> tool.  :-)
>>  The downside about it is that the implementation sometimes feels a  
>> bit slow
>> and clunky, so part of me really hopes that at the very least  
>> people will
>> learn enough about this tool to take its ideas and steal them for  
>> other
>> editors!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Greg
>>
>
> This should come as no surprise, but Emacs can do this as well.
>
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[Stefan Monnier]

>>> The only thing I haven't figured out is how to do tab-completion of
>>> words in the ghci buffer.  Do I need to use a different key
>>> combination?  I couldn't find that in the documentation.
>> I think it's just a missing feature.
> OK!  Let me know if there's anything I can do to help.  I noticed that
> other modes, e.g. ESS for R, do have tab-completion, but just skimming
> the source code I couldn't find how exactly they do that.

You could try to just send the TAB directly to the underlying process
and let ghci do the completion.


        Stefan
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[Alberto G. Corona]

I use Leksah.  It´s an IDE . It works fine in Windows.

http://leksah.org/

http://leksah.org/Leksah-0.6.1.0.exe

By the way, keep the good work Leksah people !.

2009/10/16 Stefan Monnier <monnier@...>

> The only thing I haven't figured out is how to do tab-completion of
> words in the ghci buffer.  Do I need to use a different key
> combination?  I couldn't find that in the documentation.

I think it's just a missing feature.


       Stefan

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[Gour-4]

On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:41:05 -0700
>>>>>> "Gregory" == <gcross@...> >>>>>> wrote:

Hi Greg,

Gregory> While Emacs has some outline capabilities, they are not at
Gregory> this time remotely as nice or as powerful as Leo, which among
Gregory> other things:

Do you use Leo for Haskell development?

I've asked on Leo list about support for Haskell and Emacs, but no
reply so far.

IIRC, Emacs can be used as Leo's external editor, right?


Sincerely,
Gour

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[Gregory Crosswhite-2]

Gour,

Yes, I use Leo for Haskell development.  You will need to use the  
development trunk, though, since it contains a necessary patch I  
submitted to make Leo work correctly with Haskell sources.   You can  
download this from Launchpad:

        https://launchpad.net/leo-editor

It is possible to use Emacs as the external editor.  I don't remember  
the exact procedure off the top of my head, but the idea is that you  
enable the emacs plugin inside Leo, set your installation of emacs to  
start the emacs server (so that emacsclient can connect to it), and  
then when you double-click on a node it sends the node to emacs via.  
emacsclient and when you save the buffer is sent back to Leo.  One  
caveat with this is that Leo has a newer Qt-based GUI and an older Tk-
based GUI, and I don't know if the plugin works with the Qt-based GUI  
yet.  You can tell Leo to use the Tk GUI by specifying "--gui=Tk" on  
the command line --- i.e., "python launchLeo.py --gui=Tk".

Hope this helps!

- Greg


On Nov 3, 2009, at 12:55 AM, Gour wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:41:05 -0700
>>>>>>> "Gregory" == <gcross@...> >>>>>> wrote:
>
> Hi Greg,
>
> Gregory> While Emacs has some outline capabilities, they are not at
> Gregory> this time remotely as nice or as powerful as Leo, which among
> Gregory> other things:
>
> Do you use Leo for Haskell development?
>
> I've asked on Leo list about support for Haskell and Emacs, but no
> reply so far.
>
> IIRC, Emacs can be used as Leo's external editor, right?
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Gour
>
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[Philippos Apolinarius]

I tryed it, and noticed that it is very slow, compared both with Emacs, TextPad, and Emerald. I tryed also leksah, but it is always complaining about something missing in Pango, although it works fine. Here is the error message

(leksah.exe:1588): Pango-WARNING **: error opening config file '"C:\Arquivos de
Programas\Leksah\etc\pango\pangorc': Invalid argument


--- On Tue, 11/3/09, Gregory Crosswhite <gcross@...> wrote:

From: Gregory Crosswhite <gcross@...>
Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Best Editor In Windows
To: "Gour" <gour@...>
Cc: haskell-cafe@...
Received: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 2:21 AM

Gour,

Yes, I use Leo for Haskell development.  You will need to use the development trunk, though, since it contains a necessary patch I submitted to make Leo work correctly with Haskell sources.   You can download this from Launchpad:

    https://launchpad.net/leo-editor

It is possible to use Emacs as the external editor.  I don't remember the exact procedure off the top of my head, but the idea is that you enable the emacs plugin inside Leo, set your installation of emacs to start the emacs server (so that emacsclient can connect to it), and then when you double-click on a node it sends the node to emacs via. emacsclient and when you save the buffer is sent back to Leo.  One caveat with this is that Leo has a newer Qt-based GUI and an older Tk-based GUI, and I don't know if the plugin works with the Qt-based GUI yet.  You can tell Leo to use the Tk GUI by specifying "--gui=Tk" on the command line --- i.e., "python launchLeo.py --gui=Tk".

Hope this helps!

- Greg


On Nov 3, 2009, at 12:55 AM, Gour wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:41:05 -0700
>>>>>>> "Gregory" == <gcross@...> >>>>>> wrote:
>
> Hi Greg,
>
> Gregory> While Emacs has some outline capabilities, they are not at
> Gregory> this time remotely as nice or as powerful as Leo, which among
> Gregory> other things:
>
> Do you use Leo for Haskell development?
>
> I've asked on Leo list about support for Haskell and Emacs, but no
> reply so far.
>
> IIRC, Emacs can be used as Leo's external editor, right?
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Gour
>
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[Gour-4]

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:15:03 -0800 (PST)
>>>>>> "Philippos" ==  <phi500ac@...> wrote:

Philippos> I tryed it, and noticed that it is very slow, compared both
Philippos> with Emacs, TextPad, and Emerald.

Is it usable (btw, what hardware?) or just slow?
 
Philippos> I tryed also leksah, but it is always complaining about
Philippos> something missing in Pango, although it works fine.

I'd prefer to stay with Emacs and its haskell-mode as editor-tool, but
Leo might come handy as meta-editor.


Sincerely,
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[Gregory Crosswhite-2]

The problem with Leo is that although there are rarely performance  
problems when navigating and editing the outline, the text pane can be  
very slow at times when using the Tk-based GUI --- even on modern  
hardware --- because the syntax highlighter is written in Python.  
(Incidentally, as much as I love Leo, I also hold it up as an example  
of how slow scripting languages aren't always "fast enough" as their  
proponents claim.  :-) )

There are two solutions to this:  First, you can use the Qt-based Leo  
GUI, which uses the native C++ colorizer built into QtScintilla, which  
I have never had any performance problems with.  Since you  
(reasonably) really like haskell-mode in Emacs, though, you can  
alternatively use the Emacs plugin so that you end up using Leo to  
navigate through your code to the chunk that you want to edit, and  
then using Emacs to do the actual editing.  This might sound like an  
awkward setup, but I actually find that navigating in this way  
requires much less mental energy than scanning through multiple flat  
files to pick out the code that you want to edit next, and the plugin  
makes this type of workflow fairly painless.

Viewing Leo as a "meta-editor" is a good way to think about it.

Cheers,
Greg


On Nov 3, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Gour wrote:

> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 03:15:03 -0800 (PST)
>>>>>>> "Philippos" ==  <phi500ac@...> wrote:
>
> Philippos> I tryed it, and noticed that it is very slow, compared both
> Philippos> with Emacs, TextPad, and Emerald.
>
> Is it usable (btw, what hardware?) or just slow?
>
> Philippos> I tryed also leksah, but it is always complaining about
> Philippos> something missing in Pango, although it works fine.
>
> I'd prefer to stay with Emacs and its haskell-mode as editor-tool, but
> Leo might come handy as meta-editor.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Gour
>
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