Bicyclists - Re: Best GPS for cage while I'm working real estate

[Wayne Edelen-2]

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Dave Yates<dave@...> wrote:
>
> [Dave]  I give them 2 beeps, downshift & throttle.  If they're too stupid to
> get out of the way, tough cookies.  They want to ride multi-abreast, I'm
> splitting between them.  We get them on the GW Pkway obstructing traffic
> quite a bit.  They can be ticketed (obstructing) IF they're observed by a
> cop, but they're never around.
>
> I share your frustration, but just split between them leaving them in your
> asphalt ripping wake.


Ah, summertime.  When a young man's hate is directed towards asshole bicyclists.

I know I've ranted about them in the past, but living on Thurston Rd
(near Sugarloaf Mtn - straddling the Mont/Fred Co lines) I have to
deal with these assholes every single day.  My road is like the
asshole bicyclist mecca.  They are generally just 1 or 2 deep during
the week (I only saw 6 total so far today), but can be as many as 2
dozen *per pack* on the weekends.  Usually it's smaller groups like
4-8, though.

As I was leaving my driveway this morning, 2 bicyclists passed.  I
pulled in behind them, about 5 car lengths back and waited for an
opportunity to pass.  As I found a spot to pass, one of the bicyclists
must have spotted something - she looked left and swung all the way
over from the white to the double yellow.  Luckily, I always give them
plenty of room when I pass, but she would have run into the side of my
car had I not given her the entire right lane.

On top of the inconsiderate assholes who ride next to each other,
preventing cars/MCs from passing, I get to deal with the fucktards who
throw trash in my yard.  I've found discarded inner tubes and plenty
of snacks/gel packs.  I can't see all of my property from my house, so
I never see when people decide to stop along my road frontage.  Every
summer, I pray to Joe Pesci (Carlin and I share the same religious
beliefs) that I'll see someone throwing trash or trespassing on my
property.  I'm sure all of you will read about it when I finally get
to *talk* to the person.  ;-)

I know not all bicyclists are shitheads, but I encounter plenty of
them daily on my road  :-(

BTW, I always give them plenty of room, even on my 2 wheeler.  The
last thing I want to do while riding or driving is to run into someone
on a bicycle.

Anyway, that's my rant.  I feel better now.  :-)

-- Wayne
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[mike b.-4]

Wayne Edelen wrote:

> On top of the inconsiderate assholes who ride next to each other,
> preventing cars/MCs from passing,

It's illegal for motorcycles to ride next to each other in
Maryland...does that apply to pedal bikes too?  Or, how about
"obstructing traffic" or "reckless pedaling"?

I've seen these lackwits swerve right in front of a group of Harleys as
we attempted to pass them, nearly causing an accident.  I wonder if they
understand just how much a Harley and rider weigh, and how little our
course would be affected as they were thrown clear of the roadway by the
engine guards?

> I know not all bicyclists are shitheads, but I encounter plenty of
> them daily on my road  :-(

The ones that piss me off are the ones who ride down Falls Road, slowing
and blocking traffic...in the section where there's a damn bike path
specially built for them!  Feel like giving them a shove over there
sometimes...

-- Mike B.
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[Dave Yates]

I suggested: ...
>
> I share your frustration, but just split between them leaving them in your
> asphalt ripping wake.

Wayne let loose:

Ah, summertime.  When a young man's hate is directed towards asshole
bicyclists.

I know I've ranted about them in the past, but living on Thurston Rd
(near Sugarloaf Mtn - straddling the Mont/Fred Co lines) I have to
deal with these assholes every single day.  My road is like the
asshole bicyclist mecca.  They are generally just 1 or 2 deep during
the week (I only saw 6 total so far today), but can be as many as 2
dozen *per pack* on the weekends.  Usually it's smaller groups like
4-8, though.

[Dave]  damn.  That is bogus.  If you're on the bike, here's another trick
to
Give them a serious dose of their own medicine.  Join their group.

Yeah, it costs you time & sometimes you have to weave up to be in the heart
of the
Group but it's worth it.  Weave your way right into the middle & pace them.

There you are smack dab in the middle like a bowling ball in a china store.

Try to impress them with your 2 wheeled prowess.  I like to do this in 2nd,
but I
Find that 1st gear is more effective at getting the message across.
Eventually,
After a few minutes of internal combustion aural stimulation you should be
on their
Nerves enough for them to stop.  If that doesn't do it, use them like cones
and slow
Ride through them, then drift back to the back, repeat as needed.  

I've found the latter just absolutely infuriates them.  After about the
dozenth curse
I interjected "I was just trying to hang out with my 2 wheel brothers &
sisters"  
Then the women riders started cursing me.  Once they were done exercising
their potty
Mouths, I relayed to them I didn't much appreciate their rolling road block,
and that
Legally they were obstructing traffic under VA law, don't do it again.  

More cursing, blah, blah, blah.  Whatever.  I got my slow ride practice in,
and had some fun.
I didn't say that they were legal once the limit dropped to 25 but that's
only a short area and they were going
Like 15-18 in a 45 zone across both lanes of the parkway.  


WE:
As I was leaving my driveway this morning, 2 bicyclists passed.  I
pulled in behind them, about 5 car lengths back and waited for an
opportunity to pass.  As I found a spot to pass, one of the bicyclists
must have spotted something - she looked left and swung all the way
over from the white to the double yellow.  Luckily, I always give them
plenty of room when I pass, but she would have run into the side of my
car had I not given her the entire right lane.

On top of the inconsiderate assholes who ride next to each other,
preventing cars/MCs from passing, I get to deal with the fucktards who
throw trash in my yard.

[Dave]  litterbugs.  Right up there with bike thieves & unlocked foot
lockers.
Whatever they toss, make the tosser eat it.  Whatever happened to "Keep
America Beautiful" ?  


  I've found discarded inner tubes and plenty
of snacks/gel packs.  I can't see all of my property from my house, so
I never see when people decide to stop along my road frontage.  Every
summer, I pray to Joe Pesci (Carlin and I share the same religious
beliefs) that I'll see someone throwing trash or trespassing on my
property.  I'm sure all of you will read about it when I finally get
to *talk* to the person.  ;-)

[Dave]  We'll keep an eye out for the mushroom cloud.


I know not all bicyclists are shitheads, but I encounter plenty of
them daily on my road  :-(

[Dave] $hitheads represent all walks of life.


BTW, I always give them plenty of room, even on my 2 wheeler.  The
last thing I want to do while riding or driving is to run into someone
on a bicycle.

[Dave]  Yeah, I was hit on my bicycle when I was a kid.  I'm not going
To go vigilante on them.  But it does really hurt my feelings when they
Go all ape $hit on a 2 wheeled brother and all.  ;-)

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[Aaron Maurer]

Gee, Mike, being the omniscient one that you are, I would think that you
would realize that bicyclists have every right to ride in the road, even
when there is a bicycle path.  Riding at 20 mph is much safer on Falls Rd.
than on the bike path with the hazards found there (walkers, joggers, poor
concrete, branches, etc.)

You want to "shove" a bicyclist for being on the road legally?  How much
trouble is it to wait for the 15 seconds or so until you can pass a
bicyclist safely with that big Harley of yours; is your time that
important?

We're all on two wheels. I hope you remember your attitude here if a pick-up
truck driver, in a fit of pique, decides to "shove" some stupid Harley rider
out of the way one day.

Think about it...



On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Mike B. <omni@...> wrote:

>
>
> The ones that piss me off are the ones who ride down Falls Road, slowing
> and blocking traffic...in the section where there's a damn bike path
> specially built for them!  Feel like giving them a shove over there
> sometimes...
>
> -- Mike B.
> --
>
> '04 FLSTCI  (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley
> folks)
>
> Learning from your mistakes is good.  Learning from someone else's
> mistakes is better.
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--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Aaron <amaurer@...> wrote:

> Gee, Mike, being the omniscient one
> that you are, I would think that you
> would realize that bicyclists have every right to ride in
> the road, even
> when there is a bicycle path.  Riding at 20 mph is
> much safer on Falls Rd.
> than on the bike path with the hazards found there
> (walkers, joggers, poor
> concrete, branches, etc.)

Not to mention the fact that *none* of the supposed "bicycle paths" I've seen in the DC area meet the Federal standards for bicycle paths that have existed for about thirty years now...

-- Larry



     
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[mike b.-4]

Aaron wrote:
> Gee, Mike, being the omniscient one that you are, I would think that you
> would realize that bicyclists have every right to ride in the road, even
> when there is a bicycle path.  Riding at 20 mph is much safer on Falls
> Rd. than on the bike path with the hazards found there (walkers,
> joggers, poor concrete, branches, etc.)

The bike path is generally deserted, and is in good repair.

Yes, they have a right to ride on the road, just as I have a right to
drive down it at 20 mph and let traffic back up behind me if I so
choose...but I don't so choose, because I'm not a selfish twit.

I don't get pissed at them for riding in the road when that's the only
choice...I get pissed at them for riding in the road and inconveniencing
everyone else when they have a perfectly good option that lets them ride
without inconveniencing everyone else.  Falls was just one example.
MacArthur is another.

> We're all on two wheels. I hope you remember your attitude here if a
> pick-up truck driver, in a fit of pique, decides to "shove" some stupid
> Harley rider out of the way one day.

It's been tried.  One guy down in Florida actually did it to a couple of
riders a few years ago.  When he found out who he'd killed, he was
requesting a seat in "Ol' Sparky" rather than a life sentence...that
wasn't likely to be all that long.  (if you don't remember the event, he
killed a couple of Outlaws).

-- Mike B.
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[mike b.-4]

pltrgyst@... wrote:

> Not to mention the fact that *none* of the supposed "bicycle paths"
> I've seen in the DC area meet the Federal standards for bicycle paths
> that have existed for about thirty years now...

Do any of the roads?

-- Mike B.
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[Paul Wilson-10]

And that purported "path" along Falls Road one of the worst. Suitable for
daisy-pickers and kids in training wheels weaving along at 5 mph.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:43 PM, pltrgyst@... <pltrgyst@...>wrote:

>
> --- On Wed, 6/24/09, Aaron <amaurer@...> wrote:
>
> > Gee, Mike, being the omniscient one
> > that you are, I would think that you
> > would realize that bicyclists have every right to ride in
> > the road, even
> > when there is a bicycle path.  Riding at 20 mph is
> > much safer on Falls Rd.
> > than on the bike path with the hazards found there
> > (walkers, joggers, poor
> > concrete, branches, etc.)
>
> Not to mention the fact that *none* of the supposed "bicycle paths" I've
> seen in the DC area meet the Federal standards for bicycle paths that have
> existed for about thirty years now...
>
> -- Larry
>
>
>
>
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[Aaron Maurer]

As between someone legally riding their bike on the road and someone who is so incensed at having to wait 30 seconds or a minute, max, before twisting the throttle or pressing the accelerator that they are moved to threats of violence, I guess you and I come to different conclusions as to who is the "selfish twit."

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Aaron wrote:
> Gee, Mike, being the omniscient one that you are, I would think that you
> would realize that bicyclists have every right to ride in the road, even
> when there is a bicycle path.  Riding at 20 mph is much safer on Falls
> Rd. than on the bike path with the hazards found there (walkers,
> joggers, poor concrete, branches, etc.)

The bike path is generally deserted, and is in good repair.

Yes, they have a right to ride on the road, just as I have a right to
drive down it at 20 mph and let traffic back up behind me if I so
choose...but I don't so choose, because I'm not a selfish twit.

I don't get pissed at them for riding in the road when that's the only
choice...I get pissed at them for riding in the road and inconveniencing
everyone else when they have a perfectly good option that lets them ride
without inconveniencing everyone else.  Falls was just one example.
MacArthur is another.

> We're all on two wheels. I hope you remember your attitude here if a
> pick-up truck driver, in a fit of pique, decides to "shove" some stupid
> Harley rider out of the way one day.

It's been tried.  One guy down in Florida actually did it to a couple of
riders a few years ago.  When he found out who he'd killed, he was
requesting a seat in "Ol' Sparky" rather than a life sentence...that
wasn't likely to be all that long.  (if you don't remember the event, he
killed a couple of Outlaws).

-- Mike B.
--

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mistakes is better.
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[Aki Damme-2]

I guess for me, if they want to ride on the road, that's ok but don't
be an intentional rolling roadblock. I've seen that
happen where there's cars backed up for a mile or more because
cyclists are four abreast going 5mph. That's when
I get pissed. Especially on winding roads where it's unsafe to pass them.

My feeling is that if they want to yell they have the same rights as
cars to be on the road, great, then require bikes to be
safety inspected, licensed and the rider to be properly trained and
licensed on traffic laws on two wheels.

Many of them seem to be totally ignorant of traffic laws once they
leave a cage and get on a bicycle.  I can't count how
many times I've seen them blast through an intersection when the light is red.

-aki


On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 6:45 AM, <amaurer@...> wrote:

> As between someone legally riding their bike on the road and someone who is so incensed at having to wait 30 seconds or a minute, max, before twisting the throttle or pressing the accelerator that they are moved to threats of violence, I guess you and I come to different conclusions as to who is the "selfish twit."
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Mike B." <omni@...>
>
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:05:30
> To: DC-Cycles list<dc-cycles@...>
> Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bicyclists - Re: Best GPS for cage while I'm
>  working real estate
>
>
> Aaron wrote:
>> Gee, Mike, being the omniscient one that you are, I would think that you
>> would realize that bicyclists have every right to ride in the road, even
>> when there is a bicycle path.  Riding at 20 mph is much safer on Falls
>> Rd. than on the bike path with the hazards found there (walkers,
>> joggers, poor concrete, branches, etc.)
>
> The bike path is generally deserted, and is in good repair.
>
> Yes, they have a right to ride on the road, just as I have a right to
> drive down it at 20 mph and let traffic back up behind me if I so
> choose...but I don't so choose, because I'm not a selfish twit.
>
> I don't get pissed at them for riding in the road when that's the only
> choice...I get pissed at them for riding in the road and inconveniencing
> everyone else when they have a perfectly good option that lets them ride
> without inconveniencing everyone else.  Falls was just one example.
> MacArthur is another.
>
>> We're all on two wheels. I hope you remember your attitude here if a
>> pick-up truck driver, in a fit of pique, decides to "shove" some stupid
>> Harley rider out of the way one day.
>
> It's been tried.  One guy down in Florida actually did it to a couple of
> riders a few years ago.  When he found out who he'd killed, he was
> requesting a seat in "Ol' Sparky" rather than a life sentence...that
> wasn't likely to be all that long.  (if you don't remember the event, he
> killed a couple of Outlaws).
>
> -- Mike B.
> --
>
> '04 FLSTCI  (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks)
>
> Learning from your mistakes is good.  Learning from someone else's
> mistakes is better.
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[Aaron Maurer]

Right, I was speaking to bicyclists legally riding on the road, i.e., single
file, not running red lights, etc.

As you know, there are no current requirements for licensing or registration
of bikes, and I don't see any need for them. But that's a different (and
non-list related) conversation.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Aki Damme <01dyna@...> wrote:

> I guess for me, if they want to ride on the road, that's ok but don't
> be an intentional rolling roadblock. I've seen that
> happen where there's cars backed up for a mile or more because
> cyclists are four abreast going 5mph. That's when
> I get pissed. Especially on winding roads where it's unsafe to pass them.
>
> My feeling is that if they want to yell they have the same rights as
> cars to be on the road, great, then require bikes to be
> safety inspected, licensed and the rider to be properly trained and
> licensed on traffic laws on two wheels.
>
> Many of them seem to be totally ignorant of traffic laws once they
> leave a cage and get on a bicycle.  I can't count how
> many times I've seen them blast through an intersection when the light is
> red.
>
> -aki
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 6:45 AM, <amaurer@...> wrote:
> > As between someone legally riding their bike on the road and someone who
> is so incensed at having to wait 30 seconds or a minute, max, before
> twisting the throttle or pressing the accelerator that they are moved to
> threats of violence, I guess you and I come to different conclusions as to
> who is the "selfish twit."
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Mike B." <omni@...>
> >
> > Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:05:30
> > To: DC-Cycles list<dc-cycles@...>
> > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bicyclists - Re: Best GPS for cage while I'm
> >  working real estate
> >
> >
> > Aaron wrote:
> >> Gee, Mike, being the omniscient one that you are, I would think that you
> >> would realize that bicyclists have every right to ride in the road, even
> >> when there is a bicycle path.  Riding at 20 mph is much safer on Falls
> >> Rd. than on the bike path with the hazards found there (walkers,
> >> joggers, poor concrete, branches, etc.)
> >
> > The bike path is generally deserted, and is in good repair.
> >
> > Yes, they have a right to ride on the road, just as I have a right to
> > drive down it at 20 mph and let traffic back up behind me if I so
> > choose...but I don't so choose, because I'm not a selfish twit.
> >
> > I don't get pissed at them for riding in the road when that's the only
> > choice...I get pissed at them for riding in the road and inconveniencing
> > everyone else when they have a perfectly good option that lets them ride
> > without inconveniencing everyone else.  Falls was just one example.
> > MacArthur is another.
> >
> >> We're all on two wheels. I hope you remember your attitude here if a
> >> pick-up truck driver, in a fit of pique, decides to "shove" some stupid
> >> Harley rider out of the way one day.
> >
> > It's been tried.  One guy down in Florida actually did it to a couple of
> > riders a few years ago.  When he found out who he'd killed, he was
> > requesting a seat in "Ol' Sparky" rather than a life sentence...that
> > wasn't likely to be all that long.  (if you don't remember the event, he
> > killed a couple of Outlaws).
> >
> > -- Mike B.
> > --
> >
> > '04 FLSTCI  (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley
> folks)
> >
> > Learning from your mistakes is good.  Learning from someone else's
> > mistakes is better.
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[Michael Jordan]

>
> Many of them seem to be totally ignorant of traffic laws once they
> leave a cage and get on a bicycle.


 I think that you're giving them too much credit. What makes you think that
they're not ignorant of traffic laws while in the cage?

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[Wayne Edelen-2]

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Aaron<amaurer@...> wrote:
> Right, I was speaking to bicyclists legally riding on the road, i.e., single
> file, not running red lights, etc.


Just like the shitheads riding Hardley Ablesons with open pipes, Rossi
wannabes doing 4x the speed limit on back roads and the squids
splitting through traffic on sportbikes, the assholes breaking the law
and holding up traffic on bicycles are the most visible.

I am all for bicyclists sharing the roads.  Just ride safely and don't
throw trash in my yard.  :-D

-- Wayne
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[Paul Wilson-10]

"Properly trained"? Lol. That's a good one. Ok, if we're going to mandate "proper" training, let's start with cages first! Proportionate to their ability to do harm to other road users.
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From: Aki Damme <01dyna@...>

Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:27:38
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        real estate


I guess for me, if they want to ride on the road, that's ok but don't
be an intentional rolling roadblock. I've seen that
happen where there's cars backed up for a mile or more because
cyclists are four abreast going 5mph. That's when
I get pissed. Especially on winding roads where it's unsafe to pass them.

My feeling is that if they want to yell they have the same rights as
cars to be on the road, great, then require bikes to be
safety inspected, licensed and the rider to be properly trained and
licensed on traffic laws on two wheels.

Many of them seem to be totally ignorant of traffic laws once they
leave a cage and get on a bicycle.  I can't count how
many times I've seen them blast through an intersection when the light is red.

-aki


On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 6:45 AM, <amaurer@...> wrote:

> As between someone legally riding their bike on the road and someone who is so incensed at having to wait 30 seconds or a minute, max, before twisting the throttle or pressing the accelerator that they are moved to threats of violence, I guess you and I come to different conclusions as to who is the "selfish twit."
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Mike B." <omni@...>
>
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:05:30
> To: DC-Cycles list<dc-cycles@...>
> Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bicyclists - Re: Best GPS for cage while I'm
>  working real estate
>
>
> Aaron wrote:
>> Gee, Mike, being the omniscient one that you are, I would think that you
>> would realize that bicyclists have every right to ride in the road, even
>> when there is a bicycle path.  Riding at 20 mph is much safer on Falls
>> Rd. than on the bike path with the hazards found there (walkers,
>> joggers, poor concrete, branches, etc.)
>
> The bike path is generally deserted, and is in good repair.
>
> Yes, they have a right to ride on the road, just as I have a right to
> drive down it at 20 mph and let traffic back up behind me if I so
> choose...but I don't so choose, because I'm not a selfish twit.
>
> I don't get pissed at them for riding in the road when that's the only
> choice...I get pissed at them for riding in the road and inconveniencing
> everyone else when they have a perfectly good option that lets them ride
> without inconveniencing everyone else.  Falls was just one example.
> MacArthur is another.
>
>> We're all on two wheels. I hope you remember your attitude here if a
>> pick-up truck driver, in a fit of pique, decides to "shove" some stupid
>> Harley rider out of the way one day.
>
> It's been tried.  One guy down in Florida actually did it to a couple of
> riders a few years ago.  When he found out who he'd killed, he was
> requesting a seat in "Ol' Sparky" rather than a life sentence...that
> wasn't likely to be all that long.  (if you don't remember the event, he
> killed a couple of Outlaws).
>
> -- Mike B.
> --
>
> '04 FLSTCI  (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks)
>
> Learning from your mistakes is good.  Learning from someone else's
> mistakes is better.
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[Aki Damme-2]

Actually, you're thinking linear and too small. We can do *both* at
the same time since there's idiots out there that ride only one or the
other.

I find it odd that people will spend thousands of dollars being
trained how to play tennis or golf but refuse to spend a penny
learning how to drive better.



-aki


On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:51 PM, <dcmcrider@...> wrote:

> "Properly trained"? Lol. That's a good one. Ok, if we're going to mandate "proper" training, let's start with cages first! Proportionate to their ability to do harm to other road users.
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aki Damme <01dyna@...>
>
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:27:38
> To: <dc-cycles@...>
> Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bicyclists - Re: Best GPS for cage while I'mworking
>        real estate
>
>
> I guess for me, if they want to ride on the road, that's ok but don't
> be an intentional rolling roadblock. I've seen that
> happen where there's cars backed up for a mile or more because
> cyclists are four abreast going 5mph. That's when
> I get pissed. Especially on winding roads where it's unsafe to pass them.
>
> My feeling is that if they want to yell they have the same rights as
> cars to be on the road, great, then require bikes to be
> safety inspected, licensed and the rider to be properly trained and
> licensed on traffic laws on two wheels.
>
> Many of them seem to be totally ignorant of traffic laws once they
> leave a cage and get on a bicycle.  I can't count how
> many times I've seen them blast through an intersection when the light is red.
>
> -aki
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 6:45 AM, <amaurer@...> wrote:
>> As between someone legally riding their bike on the road and someone who is so incensed at having to wait 30 seconds or a minute, max, before twisting the throttle or pressing the accelerator that they are moved to threats of violence, I guess you and I come to different conclusions as to who is the "selfish twit."
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Mike B." <omni@...>
>>
>> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:05:30
>> To: DC-Cycles list<dc-cycles@...>
>> Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Bicyclists - Re: Best GPS for cage while I'm
>>  working real estate
>>
>>
>> Aaron wrote:
>>> Gee, Mike, being the omniscient one that you are, I would think that you
>>> would realize that bicyclists have every right to ride in the road, even
>>> when there is a bicycle path.  Riding at 20 mph is much safer on Falls
>>> Rd. than on the bike path with the hazards found there (walkers,
>>> joggers, poor concrete, branches, etc.)
>>
>> The bike path is generally deserted, and is in good repair.
>>
>> Yes, they have a right to ride on the road, just as I have a right to
>> drive down it at 20 mph and let traffic back up behind me if I so
>> choose...but I don't so choose, because I'm not a selfish twit.
>>
>> I don't get pissed at them for riding in the road when that's the only
>> choice...I get pissed at them for riding in the road and inconveniencing
>> everyone else when they have a perfectly good option that lets them ride
>> without inconveniencing everyone else.  Falls was just one example.
>> MacArthur is another.
>>
>>> We're all on two wheels. I hope you remember your attitude here if a
>>> pick-up truck driver, in a fit of pique, decides to "shove" some stupid
>>> Harley rider out of the way one day.
>>
>> It's been tried.  One guy down in Florida actually did it to a couple of
>> riders a few years ago.  When he found out who he'd killed, he was
>> requesting a seat in "Ol' Sparky" rather than a life sentence...that
>> wasn't likely to be all that long.  (if you don't remember the event, he
>> killed a couple of Outlaws).
>>
>> -- Mike B.
>> --
>>
>> '04 FLSTCI  (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks)
>>
>> Learning from your mistakes is good.  Learning from someone else's
>> mistakes is better.
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[Paul Wilson-10]

They see the value in the one, and not the other. Tennis or golf is hard
(especially if you want to play better) while driving is "easy." Just
point'n'go,

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Aki Damme <01dyna@...> wrote:

> Actually, you're thinking linear and too small. We can do *both* at
> the same time since there's idiots out there that ride only one or the
> other.
>
> I find it odd that people will spend thousands of dollars being
> trained how to play tennis or golf but refuse to spend a penny
> learning how to drive better.
>
>
>
> -aki
>
>

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