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by Adam Ratcliffe-2 :: Rate this Message:

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I've created a hillshade image using the NASA SRTM3 data following the notes at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HikingBikingMaps.  Looks great except for the occasional 'black hole' in the image, I expect this is due to data voids not being rendered correctly.

What's got me puzzled about this is that the wiki page suggests using a value of 32767 for the -srcnodata and -dstnodata options to gdalwarp, howver in the NASA docs (http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/Documentation/Quickstart.pdf) it says data voids are assigned the value -32768.

Should I be using the NASA value for -srcnodata and -dstnodata instead?

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Re: Black holes in hillshade image

by Adam Ratcliffe-2 :: Rate this Message:

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With further experimentation it seems that 32767 does seem to be the correct value for the -srcnodata option.  I've also found that if I omit the -dstnodata option from the gdalwarp command the black holes do not appear, presumably because the void data is then not included in the reprojected image.

Cheers
Adam

On 1/10/2009, at 3:56 PM, Adam Ratcliffe wrote:

I've created a hillshade image using the NASA SRTM3 data following the notes at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HikingBikingMaps.  Looks great except for the occasional 'black hole' in the image, I expect this is due to data voids not being rendered correctly.

What's got me puzzled about this is that the wiki page suggests using a value of 32767 for the -srcnodata and -dstnodata options to gdalwarp, howver in the NASA docs (http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/Documentation/Quickstart.pdf) it says data voids are assigned the value -32768.

Should I be using the NASA value for -srcnodata and -dstnodata instead?

Cheers

Adam Ratcliffe
Software Developer
GeoSmart
PO Box 101001
29 Apollo Drive, Mairangi Bay, Auckland, NZ
Ph: +64 9 9668757        Fx: +64 9 966 8721
Email: adam.ratcliffe@...
Web:  www.GeoSmart.co.nz

SmartNAV  - The premier Car Navigation dataset for NZ
SmartFIND - Web and Mobile mapping solutions by GeoSmart
www.aamaps.co.nz  - For FREE web maps and directions within NZ
Route2GO - Optimised journey planning to create the most efficient routes to your customers for your sales or service calls

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Adam Ratcliffe
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Re: Black holes in hillshade image

by Holger Schöner :: Rate this Message:

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Hi Adam,

On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Adam Ratcliffe wrote:
> With further experimentation it seems that 32767 does seem to be the correct
> value for the -srcnodata option.  I've also found that if I omit the
> -dstnodata option from the gdalwarp command the black holes do not appear,
> presumably because the void data is then not included in the reprojected
> image.

> On 1/10/2009, at 3:56 PM, Adam Ratcliffe wrote:
>> I've created a hillshade image using the NASA SRTM3 data following the
>> notes at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HikingBikingMaps.  Looks great
>> except for the occasional 'black hole' in the image, I expect this is due
>> to data voids not being rendered correctly.
>>
>> What's got me puzzled about this is that the wiki page suggests using a
>> value of 32767 for the -srcnodata and -dstnodata options to gdalwarp,
>> howver in the NASA docs
>> (http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/Documentation/Quickstart.pdf) it
>> says data voids are assigned the value -32768.
>>
>> Should I be using the NASA value for -srcnodata and -dstnodata instead?
Thanks for working this out! Maybe you can correct the wiki page?

I wrote that Wiki page, and I just remember that at that time (a year ago)
the interpretation was unclear for me. I remember having some problems and
experimenting; but in my region, there are no voids, so I might not have
found the right solution at that time. And I remember encountering "black
holes" later on in other regions (thinking there is no way around having
them, without setting them explicitly to some arbitrary value), as well.

I will try out your suggestions in a few days myself (and might update the
page afterwards, if you have not done so then) ...

Thanks,
Holger
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Re: Black holes in hillshade image

by Adam Ratcliffe-2 :: Rate this Message:

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Hi Holger,

I've edited the wiki page, just removed the -dstnodata option to gdalwarp - that works for me!

Cheers
Adam
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From: Holger Schöner [numenor@...]
Sent: 02 October 2009 22:09
To: Adam Ratcliffe
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Hi Adam,

On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Adam Ratcliffe wrote:
> With further experimentation it seems that 32767 does seem to be the correct
> value for the -srcnodata option.  I've also found that if I omit the
> -dstnodata option from the gdalwarp command the black holes do not appear,
> presumably because the void data is then not included in the reprojected
> image.

> On 1/10/2009, at 3:56 PM, Adam Ratcliffe wrote:
>> I've created a hillshade image using the NASA SRTM3 data following the
>> notes at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HikingBikingMaps.  Looks great
>> except for the occasional 'black hole' in the image, I expect this is due
>> to data voids not being rendered correctly.
>>
>> What's got me puzzled about this is that the wiki page suggests using a
>> value of 32767 for the -srcnodata and -dstnodata options to gdalwarp,
>> howver in the NASA docs
>> (http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/Documentation/Quickstart.pdf) it
>> says data voids are assigned the value -32768.
>>
>> Should I be using the NASA value for -srcnodata and -dstnodata instead?

Thanks for working this out! Maybe you can correct the wiki page?

I wrote that Wiki page, and I just remember that at that time (a year ago)
the interpretation was unclear for me. I remember having some problems and
experimenting; but in my region, there are no voids, so I might not have
found the right solution at that time. And I remember encountering "black
holes" later on in other regions (thinking there is no way around having
them, without setting them explicitly to some arbitrary value), as well.

I will try out your suggestions in a few days myself (and might update the
page afterwards, if you have not done so then) ...

Thanks,
Holger
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Re: Black holes in hillshade image

by Holger Schöner :: Rate this Message:

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Am Fr, 2. Oktober 2009 schrieb Holger Schöner:
> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Adam Ratcliffe wrote:
> > With further experimentation it seems that 32767 does seem to be the
> > correct value for the -srcnodata option.  I've also found that if I
> > omit the -dstnodata option from the gdalwarp command the black holes do
> > not appear, presumably because the void data is then not included in
> > the reprojected image.
>
> Thanks for working this out! Maybe you can correct the wiki page?

Thanks for improving it!

> I will try out your suggestions in a few days myself (and might update
> the page afterwards, if you have not done so then) ...

I tried it out, and I can confirm that the void handling is improved by
leaving out the -dstnodata option. Of course, artefacts are still to be seen
(at least in hill-shaded and relief-colored results, that is what I tested),
but they are less striking.
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