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Booting from HDD
by Jason Kemp-2
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Mornin' all,
Has anyone made a version of colorForth available that boots from HDD or from a USB flash drive? I've seen the IDE driver on colorForth.com and the USB code on CF05, but I think these are cases of still booting from floppy. I'm just wondering if someone has changed the boot/kernel code already. My laptop is now becoming unreliable by rebooting itself every now and then and frequently refusing to read floppies. I have another PC to try but it doesn't even have a floppy interface... I know--I really should just go and find another old PC with a floppy and try that instead. Thanks, Jason --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Booting from HDD
by John Comeau
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Hi Jason, I think my last release on sourceforge will boot from USB
but I don't have a jump drive to test it with. It ought to work because it uses BIOS calls, and I think a USB boot will come up as the "A" drive, but who knows what I might have overlooked... On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 5:30 AM, Jason Kemp <jason.kemp@...> wrote: > Mornin' all, > > Has anyone made a version of colorForth available that boots from HDD or > from a USB flash drive? I've seen the IDE driver on colorForth.com and > the USB code on CF05, but I think these are cases of still booting from > floppy. I'm just wondering if someone has changed the boot/kernel code > already. > > My laptop is now becoming unreliable by rebooting itself every now and > then and frequently refusing to read floppies. I have another PC to try > but it doesn't even have a floppy interface... I know--I really should > just go and find another old PC with a floppy and try that instead. > > Thanks, > Jason > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > > -- John Comeau <jc@...> http://jc.unternet.net/ "A place for everything, and everything all over the place" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Booting from HDD
by Jason Kemp-2
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Thanks John,
I'll give it a go later this afternoon. Jason John Comeau said the following on 13/03/2008 11:50: > Hi Jason, I think my last release on sourceforge will boot from USB > but I don't have a jump drive to test it with. It ought to work > because it uses BIOS calls, and I think a USB boot will come up as the > "A" drive, but who knows what I might have overlooked... > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 5:30 AM, Jason Kemp <jason.kemp@...> wrote: > >> Mornin' all, >> >> Has anyone made a version of colorForth available that boots from HDD or >> from a USB flash drive? I've seen the IDE driver on colorForth.com and >> the USB code on CF05, but I think these are cases of still booting from >> floppy. I'm just wondering if someone has changed the boot/kernel code >> already. >> >> My laptop is now becoming unreliable by rebooting itself every now and >> then and frequently refusing to read floppies. I have another PC to try >> but it doesn't even have a floppy interface... I know--I really should >> just go and find another old PC with a floppy and try that instead. >> >> Thanks, >> Jason >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... >> For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... >> Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com >> >> >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Booting from HDD
by Jason Kemp-2
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Hi John,
It works in VESA modes 114 and 117 on a Jetway J7F4 (7F4K1G2E-PB) board with VIA Eden 1.2 GHz processor, booting from a USB floppy drive. Thank you _very_ much! Jason John Comeau said the following on 13/03/2008 11:50: > Hi Jason, I think my last release on sourceforge will boot from USB > but I don't have a jump drive to test it with. It ought to work > because it uses BIOS calls, and I think a USB boot will come up as the > "A" drive, but who knows what I might have overlooked... > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 5:30 AM, Jason Kemp <jason.kemp@...> wrote: > >> Mornin' all, >> >> Has anyone made a version of colorForth available that boots from HDD or >> from a USB flash drive? I've seen the IDE driver on colorForth.com and >> the USB code on CF05, but I think these are cases of still booting from >> floppy. I'm just wondering if someone has changed the boot/kernel code >> already. >> >> My laptop is now becoming unreliable by rebooting itself every now and >> then and frequently refusing to read floppies. I have another PC to try >> but it doesn't even have a floppy interface... I know--I really should >> just go and find another old PC with a floppy and try that instead. >> >> Thanks, >> Jason >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... >> For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... >> Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com >> >> >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Booting from HDD
by japeters
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How is it testing?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Kemp" <jason.kemp@...> To: <colorforth@...> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [colorforth] Booting from HDD > Thanks John, > > I'll give it a go later this afternoon. > > Jason --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Booting from HDD
by Jason Kemp-2
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Dear John(?)
It's fine on the Jetway (sorry, your message has only just come through to me) It doesn't work on my old Gateway SOLO2150 which runs the original CF01 and Josh Grams's CF05: it counts the blocks as they load, then it reboots, but the PC is a bit dicky anyway. So far nothing runs on my Asrock P4i64G 3GHz P4; this version doesn't load the blocks but displays a code that I can't remember (P1892 ?) anyway, I will try it again and pay more attention if you wish. I will try booting from a flash drive later on the Jetway too. Jason japeters@... said the following on 13/03/2008 23:41: > How is it testing? > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Kemp" > <jason.kemp@...> > To: <colorforth@...> > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:10 AM > Subject: Re: [colorforth] Booting from HDD > > >> Thanks John, >> >> I'll give it a go later this afternoon. >> >> Jason > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Booting from HDD
by Nick Maroudas-2
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Dear Jason,
Looking forward to more from you and John Comeau, on how to boot (and save?) with his iso on your flash drive. Re your not finding a version that works on a 3GHz P4, I have the same experience with 3.3 GHz PD on Intel945 board. None of the following booted properly - not John's CD of CFDOS4, nor floppies with Chuck's CF01, nor the Neitz/StMarie CF01, nor Josh's CF05 and a related CF05 from Ray - though every one of these ran reliably on my 0.55 GHz P4/ASUS P2. However (to my relief!) Howerd Oakford's CFDOS4 (from Howerd's website) runs on both the old and the new machine. http://www.inventio.co.uk/ Scratching around for a possible reason, I found JC's meticulous comparison View of /colorforth/boot_asm_list.txt on SourceForge.net. According to my understanding of John's list, number 11 is the only one for sure that "has VESA code instead of AGP" - VESA/VBE being the new standard for graphics software of course. JC lists number 11 as "/usr/src/howerd/VESA/boot.asm" but no. 10 is also by Howerd "/usr/src/howerd/Quartus/BOOT.ASM # same as Kris Johnson's" so I am not sure which boot.asm is used to boot Howerd's floppy, and which one is used to boot John's CD (and your USB flash drive). But if VESA code does indeed turn out to be crucial for some newer machines, then I shall owe it to JC's method for spotting the difference :-) Caritas, NickM Quoting Jason Kemp <jason.kemp@...>: >... " It's fine on the Jetway >... " It doesn't work on my old Gateway SOLO2150 which >... " runs the original CF01 >... " and Josh Grams's CF05 >... " So far nothing runs on my Asrock P4i64G 3GHz P4; >... " anyway, I will try it again and pay more >... " attention if you wish. >... " >... " I will try booting from a flash drive later on >... " the Jetway too. >... " >... " Jason >... " --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Booting from HDD
by Jason Kemp-2
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Dear Nick,
Sorry, I sent this yesterday but it's been bounced back. It doesn't boot from a flash drive. The board has a Phoenix BIOS and it identifies a USB flash drive in the BIOS setup as "USB-HDD0" so I assume it is emulating a hard disk--in fact I had the same flash drive running FreeDOS before (so I could run Pygmy) and DOS saw it as the C: drive. So if it's emulating a HDD then I expect that is why colorForth Won't boot fully--it displays "P9492" in the top right though, which I assume is from the progress routine in boot.asm. Lots of guessing and assuming at the mo! Just a brief Google of USB Flash booting and it appears that in some AMI BIOSes give a forced FDD emulation option. Jason Nick Maroudas said the following on 14/03/2008 20:36: > Dear Jason, > > Looking forward to more from you and John Comeau, on how > to boot (and save?) with his iso on your flash drive. > > Re your not finding a version that works on a 3GHz P4, > I > have the same experience with 3.3 GHz PD on Intel945 > board. None of the following booted properly - not > John's CD of CFDOS4, nor floppies with Chuck's CF01, > nor the Neitz/StMarie CF01, nor Josh's CF05 and a > related CF05 from Ray - though every one of these ran > reliably on my 0.55 GHz P4/ASUS P2. However (to my > relief!) Howerd Oakford's CFDOS4 (from Howerd's > website) > runs on both the old and the new machine. > > http://www.inventio.co.uk/ > > Scratching around for a possible reason, I found JC's > meticulous comparison View of > /colorforth/boot_asm_list.txt on SourceForge.net. > According to my understanding of John's list, number 11 > is the only one for sure that "has VESA code instead of > AGP" - VESA/VBE being the new standard for graphics > software of course. > JC lists number 11 as "/usr/src/howerd/VESA/boot.asm" > but no. 10 is also by Howerd > "/usr/src/howerd/Quartus/BOOT.ASM # same as Kris > Johnson's" > so I am not sure which boot.asm is used to boot Howerd's > floppy, and which one is used to boot John's CD (and > your USB flash drive). But if VESA code does indeed > turn out to be crucial for some newer machines, then I > shall owe it to JC's method for spotting the difference > :-) > > Caritas, > > NickM > > > Quoting Jason Kemp <jason.kemp@...>: > > >> ... " It's fine on the Jetway >> ... " It doesn't work on my old Gateway SOLO2150 which >> ... " runs the original CF01 >> ... " and Josh Grams's CF05 >> ... " So far nothing runs on my Asrock P4i64G 3GHz P4; >> ... " anyway, I will try it again and pay more >> ... " attention if you wish. >> ... " >> ... " I will try booting from a flash drive later on >> ... " the Jetway too. >> ... " >> ... " Jason >> ... " >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Booting from HDD
by Nick Maroudas-2
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Dear Jason,
If it's decimal 9492 that would be hex 2514 which (by my reckoning, based on Tim Neitz's NASM complete printout) means that your load has progressed 5/6 of the way through the 3000h kernel, and is about ready to "accept:" the first word from block 18. But can block 18 have been loaded (or, for that matter, can any mod be saved?) if your flash disk is not emulating a floppy? IMHO you are on the right track. Perhaps one of the "start" words in CF (start0, start1, start2) expect somewhere that CF was booted from a floppy. Unfortunately, as a mere "consumer grade" forther, I cannot offer practical advice; all I know is that, like your FreeDOS, Sidux on my flash drive shows up as a second Hard Disc. How about some practical input from the person who wrote the USB code in CF05? Who prepared the flash disc for SEAFORTH? Though I guess Jason might prefer to chew this nice big bone in his own corner. Meanwhile, my local computer shop has ceased to stock floppy discs. Quoting Jason Kemp <jason.kemp@...>: >... " Dear Nick, >... " >... " Sorry, I sent this yesterday but it's been >... " bounced back. >... " >... " It doesn't boot from a flash drive. >... " >... " The board has a Phoenix BIOS and it identifies a >... " USB flash drive in the >... " BIOS setup as "USB-HDD0" so I assume it is >... " emulating a hard disk--in >... " fact I had the same flash drive running FreeDOS >... " before (so I could run >... " Pygmy) and DOS saw it as the C: drive. So if >... " it's emulating a HDD then >... " I expect that is why colorForth Won't boot >... " fully--it displays "P9492" in >... " the top right though, which I assume is from the >... " progress routine in >... " boot.asm. Lots of guessing and assuming at the >... " mo! >... " >... " Just a brief Google of USB Flash booting and it >... " appears that in some AMI >... " BIOSes give a forced FDD emulation option. >... " >... " Jason >... " >... " Nick Maroudas said the following on 14/03/2008 >... " 20:36: >... " > Dear Jason, >... " > >... " > Looking forward to more from you and John >... " Comeau, on how >... " > to boot (and save?) with his iso on your flash >... " drive. >... " > >... " > Re your not finding a version that works on a >... " 3GHz P4, >... " > I >... " > have the same experience with 3.3 GHz PD on >... " Intel945 >... " > board. None of the following booted properly - >... " not >... " > John's CD of CFDOS4, nor floppies with Chuck's >... " CF01, >... " > nor the Neitz/StMarie CF01, nor Josh's CF05 >... " and a >... " > related CF05 from Ray - though every one of >... " these ran >... " > reliably on my 0.55 GHz P4/ASUS P2. However >... " (to my >... " > relief!) Howerd Oakford's CFDOS4 (from >... " Howerd's >... " > website) >... " > runs on both the old and the new machine. >... " > >... " > http://www.inventio.co.uk/ >... " > >... " > Scratching around for a possible reason, I >... " found JC's >... " > meticulous comparison View of >... " > /colorforth/boot_asm_list.txt on >... " SourceForge.net. >... " > According to my understanding of John's list, >... " number 11 >... " > is the only one for sure that "has VESA code >... " instead of >... " > AGP" - VESA/VBE being the new standard for >... " graphics >... " > software of course. >... " > JC lists number 11 as >... " "/usr/src/howerd/VESA/boot.asm" >... " > but no. 10 is also by Howerd >... " > "/usr/src/howerd/Quartus/BOOT.ASM # same as >... " Kris >... " > Johnson's" >... " > so I am not sure which boot.asm is used to >... " boot Howerd's >... " > floppy, and which one is used to boot John's >... " CD (and >... " > your USB flash drive). But if VESA/VBE does >... " indeed >... " > turn out to be crucial for some newer >... " machines, then I >... " > shall owe it to JC's method for spotting the >... " difference >... " > :-) >... " > >... " > Caritas, >... " > >... " > NickM >... " > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Booting from HDD
by Albert van der Horst
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On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 05:57:43PM +0200, Nick Maroudas wrote:
> Dear Jason, > > If it's decimal 9492 that would be hex 2514 which (by > my > reckoning, based on Tim Neitz's NASM complete > printout) > means that your load has progressed 5/6 of the way > through the 3000h kernel, and is about ready to > "accept:" the first word from block 18. But can block > 18 have been loaded (or, for that matter, can any mod > be saved?) if your flash disk is not emulating a > floppy? > IMHO you are on the right track. Perhaps one of the > "start" words in CF (start0, start1, start2) expect > somewhere that CF was booted from a floppy. It is not so much the booting. That is regulated by the BIOS and can handle other boot devices just fine. After booting, Chuck Moore style, reading is not done from an abstracted device, but from the floppy drive based on the fact that the hardware in pc are all similar if not equal. I have a booting Forth (bina) that can handle hard disks just fine. But it has to switch back from 32 bit protected mode to run the BIOS. Portable, but that is not Chuck's style. It can be argued that a CF stick can not be a drop in replacement for a floppy drive, because it can be in a computer at the same time as a floppy drive, and from that it can be concluded that the IO ports of both devices are different. colorforth is very simple, but this is the other side of the coin. <SNIP> -- Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS Economic growth -- like all pyramid schemes -- ultimately falters. albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Booting from HDD
by John Comeau
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P9492: 'P' is protected mode, 9492 is the last hex address just past
which one of the debugging calls was executed. If I remember right, that version starts at 0x9400, so it's only 0x92 bytes into the bootloader. On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 4:59 AM, Jason Kemp <jason.kemp@...> wrote: > Dear Nick, > > Sorry, I sent this yesterday but it's been bounced back. > > It doesn't boot from a flash drive. > > The board has a Phoenix BIOS and it identifies a USB flash drive in the > BIOS setup as "USB-HDD0" so I assume it is emulating a hard disk--in > fact I had the same flash drive running FreeDOS before (so I could run > Pygmy) and DOS saw it as the C: drive. So if it's emulating a HDD then > I expect that is why colorForth Won't boot fully--it displays "P9492" in > the top right though, which I assume is from the progress routine in > boot.asm. Lots of guessing and assuming at the mo! > > Just a brief Google of USB Flash booting and it appears that in some AMI > BIOSes give a forced FDD emulation option. > > Jason > > Nick Maroudas said the following on 14/03/2008 20:36: > > > > Dear Jason, > > > > Looking forward to more from you and John Comeau, on how > > to boot (and save?) with his iso on your flash drive. > > > > Re your not finding a version that works on a 3GHz P4, > > I > > have the same experience with 3.3 GHz PD on Intel945 > > board. None of the following booted properly - not > > John's CD of CFDOS4, nor floppies with Chuck's CF01, > > nor the Neitz/StMarie CF01, nor Josh's CF05 and a > > related CF05 from Ray - though every one of these ran > > reliably on my 0.55 GHz P4/ASUS P2. However (to my > > relief!) Howerd Oakford's CFDOS4 (from Howerd's > > website) > > runs on both the old and the new machine. > > > > http://www.inventio.co.uk/ > > > > Scratching around for a possible reason, I found JC's > > meticulous comparison View of > > /colorforth/boot_asm_list.txt on SourceForge.net. > > According to my understanding of John's list, number 11 > > is the only one for sure that "has VESA code instead of > > AGP" - VESA/VBE being the new standard for graphics > > software of course. > > JC lists number 11 as "/usr/src/howerd/VESA/boot.asm" > > but no. 10 is also by Howerd > > "/usr/src/howerd/Quartus/BOOT.ASM # same as Kris > > Johnson's" > > so I am not sure which boot.asm is used to boot Howerd's > > floppy, and which one is used to boot John's CD (and > > your USB flash drive). But if VESA code does indeed > > turn out to be crucial for some newer machines, then I > > shall owe it to JC's method for spotting the difference > > :-) > > > > Caritas, > > > > NickM > > > > > > Quoting Jason Kemp <jason.kemp@...>: > > > > > >> ... " It's fine on the Jetway > >> ... " It doesn't work on my old Gateway SOLO2150 which > >> ... " runs the original CF01 > >> ... " and Josh Grams's CF05 > >> ... " So far nothing runs on my Asrock P4i64G 3GHz P4; > >> ... " anyway, I will try it again and pay more > >> ... " attention if you wish. > >> ... " > >> ... " I will try booting from a flash drive later on > >> ... " the Jetway too. > >> ... " > >> ... " Jason > >> ... " > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > > -- John Comeau <jc@...> http://jc.unternet.net/ "A place for everything, and everything all over the place" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Booting from HDD
by Nick Maroudas-2
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Dear John,
Thanks for setting me right re P9492. I was way off. Might I ask you kindly, as the author of that version, also to set me right on what instruction or opcode stands at 0x92 bytes into the bootloader? By my crude reckoning (based on Tim's NASM cmcolor.list.txt) if "org7c00" is 0x00 then 0x92 has already set up the video mode (presumably AGP) copied all the blocks (presumably not via floppy :) and stands at "relocate:". Is this anywhere near your mark? Caritas, NickM Quoting John Comeau <jc@...>: >... " P9492: 'P' is protected mode, 9492 is the last >... " hex address just past >... " which one of the debugging calls was executed. >... " If I remember right, >... " that version starts at 0x9400, so it's only 0x92 >... " bytes into the >... " bootloader. >... " >... " On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 4:59 AM, Jason Kemp >... " <jason.kemp@...> wrote: >... " > Dear Nick, >... " > >... " > Sorry, I sent this yesterday but it's been >... " bounced back. >... " > >... " > It doesn't boot from a flash drive. >... " > >... " > The board has a Phoenix BIOS and it >... " identifies a USB flash drive in the >... " > BIOS setup as "USB-HDD0" so I assume it is >... " emulating a hard disk--in >... " > fact I had the same flash drive running >... " FreeDOS before (so I could run >... " > Pygmy) and DOS saw it as the C: drive. So if >... " it's emulating a HDD then >... " > I expect that is why colorForth Won't boot >... " fully--it displays "P9492" in >... " > the top right though, which I assume is from >... " the progress routine in >... " > boot.asm. Lots of guessing and assuming at >... " the mo! >... " > >... " > Just a brief Google of USB Flash booting and >... " it appears that in some AMI >... " > BIOSes give a forced FDD emulation option. >... " > >... " > Jason >... " > >... " > Nick Maroudas said the following on >... " 14/03/2008 20:36: >... " > >... " > >... " > > Dear Jason, >... " > > >... " > > Looking forward to more from you and John >... " Comeau, on how >... " > > to boot (and save?) with his iso on your >... " flash drive. >... " > > >... " > > Re your not finding a version that works on >... " a 3GHz P4, >... " > > I >... " > > have the same experience with 3.3 GHz PD on >... " Intel945 >... " > > board. None of the following booted >... " properly - not >... " > > John's CD of CFDOS4, nor floppies with >... " Chuck's CF01, >... " > > nor the Neitz/StMarie CF01, nor Josh's CF05 >... " and a >... " > > related CF05 from Ray - though every one of >... " these ran >... " > > reliably on my 0.55 GHz P4/ASUS P2. However >... " (to my >... " > > relief!) Howerd Oakford's CFDOS4 (from >... " Howerd's >... " > > website) >... " > > runs on both the old and the new machine. >... " > > >... " > > http://www.inventio.co.uk/ >... " > > >... " > > Scratching around for a possible reason, I >... " found JC's >... " > > meticulous comparison View of >... " > > /colorforth/boot_asm_list.txt on >... " SourceForge.net. >... " > > According to my understanding of John's >... " list, number 11 >... " > > is the only one for sure that "has VESA >... " code instead of >... " > > AGP" - VESA/VBE being the new standard for >... " graphics >... " > > software of course. >... " > > JC lists number 11 as >... " "/usr/src/howerd/VESA/boot.asm" >... " > > but no. 10 is also by Howerd >... " > > "/usr/src/howerd/Quartus/BOOT.ASM # same as >... " Kris >... " > > Johnson's" >... " > > so I am not sure which boot.asm is used to >... " boot Howerd's >... " > > floppy, and which one is used to boot >... " John's CD (and >... " > > your USB flash drive). But if VESA code >... " does indeed >... " > > turn out to be crucial for some newer >... " machines, then I >... " > > shall owe it to JC's method for spotting >... " the difference >... " > > :-) >... " > > >... " > > Caritas, >... " > > >... " > > NickM >... " > > >... " > > >... " > > Quoting Jason Kemp >... " <jason.kemp@...>: >... " > > >... " > > >... " > >> ... " It's fine on the Jetway >... " > >> ... " It doesn't work on my old Gateway >... " SOLO2150 which >... " > >> ... " runs the original CF01 >... " > >> ... " and Josh Grams's CF05 >... " > >> ... " So far nothing runs on my Asrock >... " P4i64G 3GHz P4; >... " > >> ... " anyway, I will try it again and pay >... " more >... " > >> ... " attention if you wish. >... " > >> ... " >... " > >> ... " I will try booting from a flash >... " drive later on >... " > >> ... " the Jetway too. >... " > >> ... " >... " > >> ... " Jason >... " > >> ... " >... " > >> >... " > > >... " > > >... " >... " > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >... " colorforth-unsubscribe@... >... " > > For additional commands, e-mail: >... " colorforth-help@... >... " > > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com >... " > > >... " > > >... " > > >... " > > >... " > >... " > >... " > >... " >... " > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >... " colorforth-unsubscribe@... >... " > For additional commands, e-mail: >... " colorforth-help@... >... " > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com >... " > >... " > >... " >... " >... " >... " -- >... " John Comeau <jc@...> >... " http://jc.unternet.net/ >... " "A place for everything, and everything >... " all over the place" >... " >... " >... " To unsubscribe, e-mail: >... " colorforth-unsubscribe@... >... " For additional commands, e-mail: >... " colorforth-help@... >... " Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com >... " -- Dr Nicolas George Maroudas Avigdor Meiri 9/1 Sea View Haifa 3 55 00 Israel Tel +972 048 337 315 **************************** No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced **** --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Booting from HDD
by Ray St. Marie
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On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Nick Maroudas
<alice@...> wrote: > Dear John, > > Thanks for setting me right re P9492. I was way off. > Might I ask you kindly, as the author of that version, > also to set me right on what instruction or opcode > stands at 0x92 bytes into the bootloader? By my crude > reckoning (based on Tim's NASM cmcolor.list.txt) if > "org7c00" is 0x00 then 0x92 has already set up the > video mode (presumably AGP) copied all the blocks > (presumably not via floppy :) and stands at > "relocate:". Is this anywhere near your mark? > > Caritas, > > NickM > > > Quoting John Comeau <jc@...>: > > >... " P9492: 'P' is protected mode, 9492 is the last > > >... " hex address just past > >... " which one of the debugging calls was executed. > >... " If I remember right, > >... " that version starts at 0x9400, so it's only 0x92 > >... " bytes into the > >... " bootloader. > >... " > >... " On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 4:59 AM, Jason Kemp > >... " <jason.kemp@...> wrote: > >... " > Dear Nick, > >... " > > >... " > Sorry, I sent this yesterday but it's been > >... " bounced back. > >... " > > >... " > It doesn't boot from a flash drive. > >... " > > >... " > The board has a Phoenix BIOS and it > >... " identifies a USB flash drive in the > >... " > BIOS setup as "USB-HDD0" so I assume it is > >... " emulating a hard disk--in > >... " > fact I had the same flash drive running > >... " FreeDOS before (so I could run > >... " > Pygmy) and DOS saw it as the C: drive. So if > >... " it's emulating a HDD then > >... " > I expect that is why colorForth Won't boot > >... " fully--it displays "P9492" in > >... " > the top right though, which I assume is from > >... " the progress routine in > >... " > boot.asm. Lots of guessing and assuming at > >... " the mo! > >... " > > >... " > Just a brief Google of USB Flash booting and > >... " it appears that in some AMI > >... " > BIOSes give a forced FDD emulation option. > >... " > > >... " > Jason > >... " > > >... " > Nick Maroudas said the following on > >... " 14/03/2008 20:36: > >... " > > >... " > > >... " > > Dear Jason, > >... " > > > >... " > > Looking forward to more from you and John > >... " Comeau, on how > >... " > > to boot (and save?) with his iso on your > >... " flash drive. > >... " > > > >... " > > Re your not finding a version that works on > >... " a 3GHz P4, > >... " > > I > >... " > > have the same experience with 3.3 GHz PD on > >... " Intel945 > >... " > > board. None of the following booted > >... " properly - not > >... " > > John's CD of CFDOS4, nor floppies with > >... " Chuck's CF01, > >... " > > nor the Neitz/StMarie CF01, nor Josh's CF05 > >... " and a > >... " > > related CF05 from Ray - though every one of > >... " these ran > >... " > > reliably on my 0.55 GHz P4/ASUS P2. However > >... " (to my > >... " > > relief!) Howerd Oakford's CFDOS4 (from > >... " Howerd's > >... " > > website) > >... " > > runs on both the old and the new machine. > >... " > > > >... " > > http://www.inventio.co.uk/ > >... " > > > >... " > > Scratching around for a possible reason, I > >... " found JC's > >... " > > meticulous comparison View of > >... " > > /colorforth/boot_asm_list.txt on > >... " SourceForge.net. > >... " > > According to my understanding of John's > >... " list, number 11 > >... " > > is the only one for sure that "has VESA > >... " code instead of > >... " > > AGP" - VESA/VBE being the new standard for > >... " graphics > >... " > > software of course. > >... " > > JC lists number 11 as > >... " "/usr/src/howerd/VESA/boot.asm" > >... " > > but no. 10 is also by Howerd > >... " > > "/usr/src/howerd/Quartus/BOOT.ASM # same as > >... " Kris > >... " > > Johnson's" > >... " > > so I am not sure which boot.asm is used to > >... " boot Howerd's > >... " > > floppy, and which one is used to boot > >... " John's CD (and > >... " > > your USB flash drive). But if VESA code > >... " does indeed > >... " > > turn out to be crucial for some newer > >... " machines, then I > >... " > > shall owe it to JC's method for spotting > >... " the difference > >... " > > :-) > >... " > > > >... " > > Caritas, > >... " > > > >... " > > NickM > >... " > > > >... " > > > >... " > > Quoting Jason Kemp > >... " <jason.kemp@...>: > >... " > > > >... " > > > >... " > >> ... " It's fine on the Jetway > >... " > >> ... " It doesn't work on my old Gateway > >... " SOLO2150 which > >... " > >> ... " runs the original CF01 > >... " > >> ... " and Josh Grams's CF05 > >... " > >> ... " So far nothing runs on my Asrock > >... " P4i64G 3GHz P4; > >... " > >> ... " anyway, I will try it again and pay > >... " more > >... " > >> ... " attention if you wish. > >... " > >> ... " > >... " > >> ... " I will try booting from a flash > >... " drive later on > >... " > >> ... " the Jetway too. > >... " > >> ... " > >... " > >> ... " Jason > >... " > >> ... " > >... " > >> > >... " > > > >... " > > > >... " > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >... " > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >... " colorforth-unsubscribe@... > >... " > > For additional commands, e-mail: > >... " colorforth-help@... > >... " > > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > >... " > > > >... " > > > >... " > > > >... " > > > >... " > > >... " > > >... " > > >... " > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >... " > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >... " colorforth-unsubscribe@... > >... " > For additional commands, e-mail: > >... " colorforth-help@... > >... " > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > >... " > > >... " > > >... " > >... " > >... " > >... " -- > >... " John Comeau <jc@...> > >... " http://jc.unternet.net/ > >... " "A place for everything, and everything > >... " all over the place" > >... " > >... " > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >... " To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >... " colorforth-unsubscribe@... > >... " For additional commands, e-mail: > >... " colorforth-help@... > >... " Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > >... " > > > -- > Dr Nicolas George Maroudas > Avigdor Meiri 9/1 > Sea View > Haifa 3 55 00 > Israel > Tel +972 048 337 315 > > **************************** > > No trees were killed in the sending of this message. > However, a large number of electrons were terribly > inconvenienced > > **** > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > > Hi Nick, All! Far as I can tell from my listing of Terry's 800x600 version of Chuck's 01 with Terry's floppy strobe, where I returned all of the margins and fonts and video mode to 4117 ( 1024x768 5:6:5 color with linear frame buffer bit set) ... 0x92h is were the jump instruction 0xeah is inserted in the relocate code and is the jump to protected mode, far as I can tell. -- Raymond St. Marie ii, colorforthray.info --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Booting from HDD
by Ray St. Marie
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On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Ray St. Marie <ray.stmarie@...> wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Nick Maroudas > <alice@...> wrote: > > Dear John, > > > > Thanks for setting me right re P9492. I was way off. > > Might I ask you kindly, as the author of that version, > > also to set me right on what instruction or opcode > > stands at 0x92 bytes into the bootloader? By my crude > > reckoning (based on Tim's NASM cmcolor.list.txt) if > > "org7c00" is 0x00 then 0x92 has already set up the > > video mode (presumably AGP) copied all the blocks > > (presumably not via floppy :) and stands at > > "relocate:". Is this anywhere near your mark? > > > > Caritas, > > > > NickM > > > > > > Quoting John Comeau <jc@...>: > > > > >... " P9492: 'P' is protected mode, 9492 is the last > > > > >... " hex address just past > > >... " which one of the debugging calls was executed. > > >... " If I remember right, > > >... " that version starts at 0x9400, so it's only 0x92 > > >... " bytes into the > > >... " bootloader. > > >... " > > >... " On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 4:59 AM, Jason Kemp > > >... " <jason.kemp@...> wrote: > > >... " > Dear Nick, > > >... " > > > >... " > Sorry, I sent this yesterday but it's been > > >... " bounced back. > > >... " > > > >... " > It doesn't boot from a flash drive. > > >... " > > > >... " > The board has a Phoenix BIOS and it > > >... " identifies a USB flash drive in the > > >... " > BIOS setup as "USB-HDD0" so I assume it is > > >... " emulating a hard disk--in > > >... " > fact I had the same flash drive running > > >... " FreeDOS before (so I could run > > >... " > Pygmy) and DOS saw it as the C: drive. So if > > >... " it's emulating a HDD then > > >... " > I expect that is why colorForth Won't boot > > >... " fully--it displays "P9492" in > > >... " > the top right though, which I assume is from > > >... " the progress routine in > > >... " > boot.asm. Lots of guessing and assuming at > > >... " the mo! > > >... " > > > >... " > Just a brief Google of USB Flash booting and > > >... " it appears that in some AMI > > >... " > BIOSes give a forced FDD emulation option. > > >... " > > > >... " > Jason > > >... " > > > >... " > Nick Maroudas said the following on > > >... " 14/03/2008 20:36: > > >... " > > > >... " > > > >... " > > Dear Jason, > > >... " > > > > >... " > > Looking forward to more from you and John > > >... " Comeau, on how > > >... " > > to boot (and save?) with his iso on your > > >... " flash drive. > > >... " > > > > >... " > > Re your not finding a version that works on > > >... " a 3GHz P4, > > >... " > > I > > >... " > > have the same experience with 3.3 GHz PD on > > >... " Intel945 > > >... " > > board. None of the following booted > > >... " properly - not > > >... " > > John's CD of CFDOS4, nor floppies with > > >... " Chuck's CF01, > > >... " > > nor the Neitz/StMarie CF01, nor Josh's CF05 > > >... " and a > > >... " > > related CF05 from Ray - though every one of > > >... " these ran > > >... " > > reliably on my 0.55 GHz P4/ASUS P2. However > > >... " (to my > > >... " > > relief!) Howerd Oakford's CFDOS4 (from > > >... " Howerd's > > >... " > > website) > > >... " > > runs on both the old and the new machine. > > >... " > > > > >... " > > http://www.inventio.co.uk/ > > >... " > > > > >... " > > Scratching around for a possible reason, I > > >... " found JC's > > >... " > > meticulous comparison View of > > >... " > > /colorforth/boot_asm_list.txt on > > >... " SourceForge.net. > > >... " > > According to my understanding of John's > > >... " list, number 11 > > >... " > > is the only one for sure that "has VESA > > >... " code instead of > > >... " > > AGP" - VESA/VBE being the new standard for > > >... " graphics > > >... " > > software of course. > > >... " > > JC lists number 11 as > > >... " "/usr/src/howerd/VESA/boot.asm" > > >... " > > but no. 10 is also by Howerd > > >... " > > "/usr/src/howerd/Quartus/BOOT.ASM # same as > > >... " Kris > > >... " > > Johnson's" > > >... " > > so I am not sure which boot.asm is used to > > >... " boot Howerd's > > >... " > > floppy, and which one is used to boot > > >... " John's CD (and > > >... " > > your USB flash drive). But if VESA code > > >... " does indeed > > >... " > > turn out to be crucial for some newer > > >... " machines, then I > > >... " > > shall owe it to JC's method for spotting > > >... " the difference > > >... " > > :-) > > >... " > > > > >... " > > Caritas, > > >... " > > > > >... " > > NickM > > >... " > > > > >... " > > > > >... " > > Quoting Jason Kemp > > >... " <jason.kemp@...>: > > >... " > > > > >... " > > > > >... " > >> ... " It's fine on the Jetway > > >... " > >> ... " It doesn't work on my old Gateway > > >... " SOLO2150 which > > >... " > >> ... " runs the original CF01 > > >... " > >> ... " and Josh Grams's CF05 > > >... " > >> ... " So far nothing runs on my Asrock > > >... " P4i64G 3GHz P4; > > >... " > >> ... " anyway, I will try it again and pay > > >... " more > > >... " > >> ... " attention if you wish. > > >... " > >> ... " > > >... " > >> ... " I will try booting from a flash > > >... " drive later on > > >... " > >> ... " the Jetway too. > > >... " > >> ... " > > >... " > >> ... " Jason > > >... " > >> ... " > > >... " > >> > > >... " > > > > >... " > > > > >... " > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >... " > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > >... " colorforth-unsubscribe@... > > >... " > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > >... " colorforth-help@... > > >... " > > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > > >... " > > > > >... " > > > > >... " > > > > >... " > > > > >... " > > > >... " > > > >... " > > > >... " > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >... " > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > >... " colorforth-unsubscribe@... > > >... " > For additional commands, e-mail: > > >... " colorforth-help@... > > >... " > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > > >... " > > > >... " > > > >... " > > >... " > > >... " > > >... " -- > > >... " John Comeau <jc@...> > > >... " http://jc.unternet.net/ > > >... " "A place for everything, and everything > > >... " all over the place" > > >... " > > >... " > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >... " To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > >... " colorforth-unsubscribe@... > > >... " For additional commands, e-mail: > > >... " colorforth-help@... > > >... " Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > > >... " > > > > > > -- > > Dr Nicolas George Maroudas > > Avigdor Meiri 9/1 > > Sea View > > Haifa 3 55 00 > > Israel > > Tel +972 048 337 315 > > > > **************************** > > > > No trees were killed in the sending of this message. > > However, a large number of electrons were terribly > > inconvenienced > > > > **** > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > > > > > > Hi Nick, All! > > Far as I can tell from my listing of Terry's 800x600 version of > Chuck's 01 with Terry's floppy strobe, where I returned all of the > margins and fonts and video mode to 4117 ( 1024x768 5:6:5 color with > linear frame buffer bit set) ... > > 0x92h is were the jump instruction 0xeah is inserted in the relocate > code and is the jump to protected mode, far as I can tell. > > -- > Raymond St. Marie ii, > colorforthray.info > Microsoft (R) Macro Assembler Version 6.14.8444 10/12/07 23:04:39 color.asm Page 1 - 1 ;colorForth, 2001 Jul 22, Chuck Moore, Public Domain ;modified 8/06/01 for 800x600 operation Terry Loveall, loveall@... ;modified ras20040728 returned to 1024x768 operation for the pentium 4 ;by Ray St. Marie Rastm2@... .MODEL tiny .486p 00000000 only SEGMENT USE32 ASSUME DS:only next MACRO adr dec ECX jnz adr ENDM DUP_ MACRO lea ESI, [ESI-4] mov [ESI], EAX ENDM DROP MACRO lodsd ENDM ;;hp equ 800 ;;vp equ 600 ;;vesa equ 114h = 00000400 hp equ 1024 = 00000300 vp equ 768 = 00004117 vesa equ 4117h ; 117h but with LinearFrameBuffer Bit on = 00025C00 buffer equ 604*256 include boot.asm ; boot boot0 hard C ; Floppy boot segment C C org 0 ; actually 7c00 00000000 EB 56 C start: jmp start0 00000002 90 C nop C 00000003 63 6D 63 66 20 C db 'cmcf 1.0' 31 2E 30 0000000B 0200 C dw 512 ; bytes/sector 0000000D 01 C db 1 ; sector/cluster 0000000E 0001 C dw 1 ; sector reserved 00000010 02 C db 2 ; FATs 00000011 00E0 C dw 16*14 ; root directory entries 00000013 0B40 C dw 80*2*18 ; sectors 00000015 F0 C db 0F0h ; media 00000016 0009 C dw 9 ; sectors/FAT 00000018 0012 C dw 18 ; sectors/track 0000001A 0002 C dw 2 ; heads 0000001C 00000000 C dd 0 ; hidden sectors 00000020 00000B40 C dd 80*2*18 ; sectors again 00000024 00 C db 0 ; drive C ; db 0 C ; db 29h ; signature C ; dd 44444444h ; serial C ; db 'COLOR FORTH' ; label C ; db ' ' C 00000025 00 C command db 0 00000026 00 C db 0 ; head, drive 00000027 00 C cylinder db 0 00000028 00 C db 0 ; head 00000029 01 C db 1 ; sector 0000002A 02 C db 2 ; 512 bytes/sector 0000002B 12 C db 18 ; sectors/track 0000002C 1B C db 1bh ; gap 0000002D FF C db 0ffh C ALIGN 4 00000030 00000012 C nc dd 18 ; Forth+Icons+blocks 24-161 00000034 0017 C gdt dw 17h 00000036 00000040 R C dd offset gdt0 C ALIGN 8 00000040 0000 0000 0000 C gdt0 dw 0, 0, 0, 0 0000 00000048 FFFF 0000 9A00 C dw 0FFFFh, 0, 9A00h, 0CFh ; code 00CF 00000050 FFFF 0000 9200 C dw 0FFFFh, 0, 9200h, 0CFh ; data 00CF C C ; Code is compiled in Protected 32-bit mode. C ; Hence org $-2 to fix 16-bit words C ; and 4 hand-assembled instructions. C ; and EAX and AX exchanged C ; This code is in Real 16-bit mode C 00000058 B8 00004F02 C start0: mov EAX, 4F02h ; Video mode C org $-2 0000005B BB 00004117 C mov EBX, vesa ; hp*vp rgb: 565 C org $-2 0000005E CD 10 C int 10h 00000060 FA C cli 00000061 66| 33 C0 C xor AX, AX ; Move code to 0 00000064 66| 8B D8 C mov BX, AX 00000067 8C CB C mov EBX, CS 00000069 8E DB C mov DS, EBX 0000006B 8E C0 C mov ES, EAX 0000006D 66| 8B F8 C mov DI, AX 00000070 66| 8B F0 C mov SI, AX 00000073 E8 00000000 C call $+5 ; Where are we? IP+4*CS C org $-2 00000076 5E C loc: pop ESI 00000077 81 EE 00000076 C sub ESI, offset loc-offset start C org $-2 0000007B B9 00000080 C mov ECX, 512/4 C org $-2 0000007E F3/ 66| A5 C rep movsw C ; jmp 0:relocate 00000081 EA C db 0eah 00000082 0086 0000 C dw offset relocate-offset start, 0 C 00000086 C relocate: ; This code is executed from 0 00000086 8E D8 C mov DS, EAX C ; lgdt fword ptr gdt 00000088 0F 01 16 C db 0fh, 1, 16h 0000008B 0034 C dw offset gdt-offset start 0000008D B0 01 C mov AL, 1 0000008F 0F 22 C0 C mov CR0, EAX C ; jmp 8:protected 00000092 EA C db 0eah 00000093 0097 0008 C dw offset protected-offset start, 8 C 00000097 C protected: ; Now in Protected 32-bit mode 00000097 B0 10 C mov AL, 10h 00000099 8E D8 C mov DS, EAX 0000009B 8E C0 C mov ES, EAX 0000009D 8E D0 C mov SS, EAX 0000009F BC 000A0000 C mov ESP, Gods 000000A4 33 C9 C xor ECX, ECX C -- Raymond St. Marie ii, colorforthray.info --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... 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Re: Booting from HDD
by John Comeau
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If I knew, I'd have put it in the message :^}
Unfortunately, those neurons were probably destroyed several hundred beers ago. Most likely the best way to find out would be to use cvs to check out the source as of the date of the release, and if there's a .lst file it will show you (under the 'as' subdirectory). Sorry I can't be of more use at the moment... On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Nick Maroudas <alice@...> wrote: > Dear John, > > Thanks for setting me right re P9492. I was way off. > Might I ask you kindly, as the author of that version, > also to set me right on what instruction or opcode > stands at 0x92 bytes into the bootloader? By my crude > reckoning (based on Tim's NASM cmcolor.list.txt) if > "org7c00" is 0x00 then 0x92 has already set up the > video mode (presumably AGP) copied all the blocks > (presumably not via floppy :) and stands at > "relocate:". Is this anywhere near your mark? > > Caritas, > > NickM > > > Quoting John Comeau <jc@...>: > > >... " P9492: 'P' is protected mode, 9492 is the last > > > >... " hex address just past > >... " which one of the debugging calls was executed. > >... " If I remember right, > >... " that version starts at 0x9400, so it's only 0x92 > >... " bytes into the > >... " bootloader. > >... " > >... " On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 4:59 AM, Jason Kemp > >... " <jason.kemp@...> wrote: > >... " > Dear Nick, > >... " > > >... " > Sorry, I sent this yesterday but it's been > >... " bounced back. > >... " > > >... " > It doesn't boot from a flash drive. > >... " > > >... " > The board has a Phoenix BIOS and it > >... " identifies a USB flash drive in the > >... " > BIOS setup as "USB-HDD0" so I assume it is > >... " emulating a hard disk--in > >... " > fact I had the same flash drive running > >... " FreeDOS before (so I could run > >... " > Pygmy) and DOS saw it as the C: drive. So if > >... " it's emulating a HDD then > >... " > I expect that is why colorForth Won't boot > >... " fully--it displays "P9492" in > >... " > the top right though, which I assume is from > >... " the progress routine in > >... " > boot.asm. Lots of guessing and assuming at > >... " the mo! > >... " > > >... " > Just a brief Google of USB Flash booting and > >... " it appears that in some AMI > >... " > BIOSes give a forced FDD emulation option. > >... " > > >... " > Jason > >... " > > >... " > Nick Maroudas said the following on > >... " 14/03/2008 20:36: > >... " > > >... " > > >... " > > Dear Jason, > >... " > > > >... " > > Looking forward to more from you and John > >... " Comeau, on how > >... " > > to boot (and save?) with his iso on your > >... " flash drive. > >... " > > > >... " > > Re your not finding a version that works on > >... " a 3GHz P4, > >... " > > I > >... " > > have the same experience with 3.3 GHz PD on > >... " Intel945 > >... " > > board. None of the following booted > >... " properly - not > >... " > > John's CD of CFDOS4, nor floppies with > >... " Chuck's CF01, > >... " > > nor the Neitz/StMarie CF01, nor Josh's CF05 > >... " and a > >... " > > related CF05 from Ray - though every one of > >... " these ran > >... " > > reliably on my 0.55 GHz P4/ASUS P2. However > >... " (to my > >... " > > relief!) Howerd Oakford's CFDOS4 (from > >... " Howerd's > >... " > > website) > >... " > > runs on both the old and the new machine. > >... " > > > >... " > > http://www.inventio.co.uk/ > >... " > > > >... " > > Scratching around for a possible reason, I > >... " found JC's > >... " > > meticulous comparison View of > >... " > > /colorforth/boot_asm_list.txt on > >... " SourceForge.net. > >... " > > According to my understanding of John's > >... " list, number 11 > >... " > > is the only one for sure that "has VESA > >... " code instead of > >... " > > AGP" - VESA/VBE being the new standard for > >... " graphics > >... " > > software of course. > >... " > > JC lists number 11 as > >... " "/usr/src/howerd/VESA/boot.asm" > >... " > > but no. 10 is also by Howerd > >... " > > "/usr/src/howerd/Quartus/BOOT.ASM # same as > >... " Kris > >... " > > Johnson's" > >... " > > so I am not sure which boot.asm is used to > >... " boot Howerd's > >... " > > floppy, and which one is used to boot > >... " John's CD (and > >... " > > your USB flash drive). But if VESA code > >... " does indeed > >... " > > turn out to be crucial for some newer > >... " machines, then I > >... " > > shall owe it to JC's method for spotting > >... " the difference > >... " > > :-) > >... " > > > >... " > > Caritas, > >... " > > > >... " > > NickM > >... " > > > >... " > > > >... " > > Quoting Jason Kemp > >... " <jason.kemp@...>: > >... " > > > >... " > > > >... " > >> ... " It's fine on the Jetway > >... " > >> ... " It doesn't work on my old Gateway > >... " SOLO2150 which > >... " > >> ... " runs the original CF01 > >... " > >> ... " and Josh Grams's CF05 > >... " > >> ... " So far nothing runs on my Asrock > >... " P4i64G 3GHz P4; > >... " > >> ... " anyway, I will try it again and pay > >... " more > >... " > >> ... " attention if you wish. > >... " > >> ... " > >... " > >> ... " I will try booting from a flash > >... " drive later on > >... " > >> ... " the Jetway too. > >... " > >> ... " > >... " > >> ... " Jason > >... " > >> ... " > >... " > >> > >... " > > > >... " > > > >... " > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >... " > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >... " colorforth-unsubscribe@... > >... " > > For additional commands, e-mail: > >... " colorforth-help@... > >... " > > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > >... " > > > >... " > > > >... " > > > >... " > > > >... " > > >... " > > >... " > > >... " > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >... " > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >... " colorforth-unsubscribe@... > >... " > For additional commands, e-mail: > >... " colorforth-help@... > >... " > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > >... " > > >... " > > >... " > >... " > >... " > >... " -- > >... " John Comeau <jc@...> > >... " http://jc.unternet.net/ > >... " "A place for everything, and everything > >... " all over the place" > >... " > >... " > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >... " To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > >... " colorforth-unsubscribe@... > >... " For additional commands, e-mail: > >... " colorforth-help@... > >... " Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > >... " > > > -- > Dr Nicolas George Maroudas > Avigdor Meiri 9/1 > Sea View > Haifa 3 55 00 > Israel > Tel +972 048 337 315 > > **************************** > > No trees were killed in the sending of this message. > However, a large number of electrons were terribly > inconvenienced > > **** > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > > -- John Comeau <jc@...> http://jc.unternet.net/ "A place for everything, and everything all over the place" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Booting from HDD
by vaded
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Please do not misunderstand me -- I am very grateful for the work you
all are doing on colorForth for the PC. I'm just curious how all of you view the whole colorForth on PC issue, since it is obvious that Chuck's goal was to say "good riddance" to the PC ASAP. Most of the posts I see on this mailing list are about colorForth for the PC. Perhaps it would be a different story if we have access to some of the new chips/usb drives. I'm just confused why this emphasis on PC colorForth when it was meant for/could do much more on a modern Forth processor? My regards, - On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:39:28 -0600, "John Comeau" <jc@...> said: > If I knew, I'd have put it in the message :^} > > Unfortunately, those neurons were probably destroyed several hundred > beers ago. Most likely the best way to find out would be to use cvs to > check out the source as of the date of the release, and if there's a > .lst file it will show you (under the 'as' subdirectory). Sorry I > can't be of more use at the moment... > > On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Nick Maroudas > <alice@...> wrote: > > Dear John, > > > > Thanks for setting me right re P9492. I was way off. > > Might I ask you kindly, as the author of that version, > > also to set me right on what instruction or opcode > > stands at 0x92 bytes into the bootloader? By my crude > > reckoning (based on Tim's NASM cmcolor.list.txt) if > > "org7c00" is 0x00 then 0x92 has already set up the > > video mode (presumably AGP) copied all the blocks > > (presumably not via floppy :) and stands at > > "relocate:". Is this anywhere near your mark? > > > > Caritas, > > > > NickM > > > > > > Quoting John Comeau <jc@...>: > > > > >... " P9492: 'P' is protected mode, 9492 is the last > > > > > > >... " hex address just past > > >... " which one of the debugging calls was executed. > > >... " If I remember right, > > >... " that version starts at 0x9400, so it's only 0x92 > > >... " bytes into the > > >... " bootloader. > > >... " > > >... " On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 4:59 AM, Jason Kemp > > >... " <jason.kemp@...> wrote: > > >... " > Dear Nick, > > >... " > > > >... " > Sorry, I sent this yesterday but it's been > > >... " bounced back. > > >... " > > > >... " > It doesn't boot from a flash drive. > > >... " > > > >... " > The board has a Phoenix BIOS and it > > >... " identifies a USB flash drive in the > > >... " > BIOS setup as "USB-HDD0" so I assume it is > > >... " emulating a hard disk--in > > >... " > fact I had the same flash drive running > > >... " FreeDOS before (so I could run > > >... " > Pygmy) and DOS saw it as the C: drive. So if > > >... " it's emulating a HDD then > > >... " > I expect that is why colorForth Won't boot > > >... " fully--it displays "P9492" in > > >... " > the top right though, which I assume is from > > >... " the progress routine in > > >... " > boot.asm. Lots of guessing and assuming at > > >... " the mo! > > >... " > > > >... " > Just a brief Google of USB Flash booting and > > >... " it appears that in some AMI > > >... " > BIOSes give a forced FDD emulation option. > > >... " > > > >... " > Jason > > >... " > > > >... " > Nick Maroudas said the following on > > >... " 14/03/2008 20:36: > > >... " > > > >... " > > > >... " > > Dear Jason, > > >... " > > > > >... " > > Looking forward to more from you and John > > >... " Comeau, on how > > >... " > > to boot (and save?) with his iso on your > > >... " flash drive. > > >... " > > > > >... " > > Re your not finding a version that works on > > >... " a 3GHz P4, > > >... " > > I > > >... " > > have the same experience with 3.3 GHz PD on > > >... " Intel945 > > >... " > > board. None of the following booted > > >... " properly - not > > >... " > > John's CD of CFDOS4, nor floppies with > > >... " Chuck's CF01, > > >... " > > nor the Neitz/StMarie CF01, nor Josh's CF05 > > >... " and a > > >... " > > related CF05 from Ray - though every one of > > >... " these ran > > >... " > > reliably on my 0.55 GHz P4/ASUS P2. However > > >... " (to my > > >... " > > relief!) Howerd Oakford's CFDOS4 (from > > >... " Howerd's > > >... " > > website) > > >... " > > runs on both the old and the new machine. > > >... " > > > > >... " > > http://www.inventio.co.uk/ > > >... " > > > > >... " > > Scratching around for a possible reason, I > > >... " found JC's > > >... " > > meticulous comparison View of > > >... " > > /colorforth/boot_asm_list.txt on > > >... " SourceForge.net. > > >... " > > According to my understanding of John's > > >... " list, number 11 > > >... " > > is the only one for sure that "has VESA > > >... " code instead of > > >... " > > AGP" - VESA/VBE being the new standard for > > >... " graphics > > >... " > > software of course. > > >... " > > JC lists number 11 as > > >... " "/usr/src/howerd/VESA/boot.asm" > > >... " > > but no. 10 is also by Howerd > > >... " > > "/usr/src/howerd/Quartus/BOOT.ASM # same as > > >... " Kris > > >... " > > Johnson's" > > >... " > > so I am not sure which boot.asm is used to > > >... " boot Howerd's > > >... " > > floppy, and which one is used to boot > > >... " John's CD (and > > >... " > > your USB flash drive). But if VESA code > > >... " does indeed > > >... " > > turn out to be crucial for some newer > > >... " machines, then I > > >... " > > shall owe it to JC's method for spotting > > >... " the difference > > >... " > > :-) > > >... " > > > > >... " > > Caritas, > > >... " > > > > >... " > > NickM > > >... " > > > > >... " > > > > >... " > > Quoting Jason Kemp > > >... " <jason.kemp@...>: > > >... " > > > > >... " > > > > >... " > >> ... " It's fine on the Jetway > > >... " > >> ... " It doesn't work on my old Gateway > > >... " SOLO2150 which > > >... " > >> ... " runs the original CF01 > > >... " > >> ... " and Josh Grams's CF05 > > >... " > >> ... " So far nothing runs on my Asrock > > >... " P4i64G 3GHz P4; > > >... " > >> ... " anyway, I will try it again and pay > > >... " more > > >... " > >> ... " attention if you wish. > > >... " > >> ... " > > >... " > >> ... " I will try booting from a flash > > >... " drive later on > > >... " > >> ... " the Jetway too. > > >... " > >> ... " > > >... " > >> ... " Jason > > >... " > >> ... " > > >... " > >> > > >... " > > > > >... " > > > > >... " > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >... " > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > >... " colorforth-unsubscribe@... > > >... " > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > >... " colorforth-help@... > > >... " > > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > > >... " > > > > >... " > > > > >... " > > > > >... " > > > > >... " > > > >... " > > > >... " > > > >... " > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >... " > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > >... " colorforth-unsubscribe@... > > >... " > For additional commands, e-mail: > > >... " colorforth-help@... > > >... " > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > > >... " > > > >... " > > > >... " > > >... " > > >... " > > >... " -- > > >... " John Comeau <jc@...> > > >... " http://jc.unternet.net/ > > >... " "A place for everything, and everything > > >... " all over the place" > > >... " > > >... " > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >... " To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > >... " colorforth-unsubscribe@... > > >... " For additional commands, e-mail: > > >... " colorforth-help@... > > >... " Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > > >... " > > > > > > -- > > Dr Nicolas George Maroudas > > Avigdor Meiri 9/1 > > Sea View > > Haifa 3 55 00 > > Israel > > Tel +972 048 337 315 > > > > **************************** > > > > No trees were killed in the sending of this message. > > However, a large number of electrons were terribly > > inconvenienced > > > > **** > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > > > > > > > > -- > John Comeau <jc@...> http://jc.unternet.net/ > "A place for everything, and everything > all over the place" > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... 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Re: Booting from HDD
by Jeff Fox-2
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> Please do not misunderstand me -- I am very grateful for the work you
> all are doing on colorForth for the PC. I'm just curious how all of > you view the whole colorForth on PC issue, since it is obvious that > Chuck's goal was to say "good riddance" to the PC ASAP. Most of the > posts I see on this mailing list are about colorForth for the PC. That's because colorforth has mostly been a PC thing. There has been some colorforth like stuff for the F21 and ipaq but most people have PC and will run colorforth on some flavor of PC. > Perhaps it would be a different story if we have access to some of > the new chips/usb drives. I'm just confused why this emphasis on > PC colorForth when it was meant for/could do much more on a modern > Forth processor? Chuck stayed with Intel processors for CAD while he had expressed an interest in P21 being able to host a CAD system that could design P21. P21/F21 systems were barely big enough to host the P21 or F21 designs directly. And given the restrictions on P21 and the small number of F21 and I21 made the to go a scalable die technology multiple c18 Chuck chose create okad II and do it in colorforth. He continues to say that okad is the best example of what a Forth program can do and what it looks like relative to other programs. And naturally he is proud of okad and what has been done with okad as well. And with all the people using colorforth at IntellaSys to enhance colorforth/okad and chip designs Chuck is very happy with it. The first things he coded for the first prototype chips were components he will use in SEAforth colorforth. Until he has created a colorforth for his own chips and ported the cad software he and others will be using the PC colorforth for all the purposes it is being used now and probably others. The closest thing to a colorforth on a Forth chip so far was the aha system, desktop and compiler. But I never implemented a full colorforth with a color based editor and gui. It will be fun to have a colorforth on forth chips when that is available. I do ANS Forth on a Pentium or Arm or P21 or SEAforth, mostly Pentium. I do machine Forth on P21, f21, and c18 systems. I do something like colorforth on F21 and coloforth on Pentium. I expect I will get a colorforth forth chip pc soon after Chuck. But until then I do enjoy doing PC colorforth as much as I do. Of the various Forth environments I use I find colorforth the most fun. It is a hard thing to quantify but it does have a different feel to it. I enjoy working with it. If I didn't work with it I might spend time playing with it. I have said that people often get stuck on getting colorforth to run. And that to the interesting part are the similarities to Forth chips more than the Pentium details. But thankfully there are other people who are more interested in getting the Pentium details sorted out. And it is a long path from the first colorforth to a Forth chip colorforth designed to replace PC colorforth. The first Forth chip colorforth I would picture would be more like P21Forth or Aha. It would be a SEAforth implementation and much smaller than a Pentium PC implemenation. I expect it will be a while before we see anything on the scale of a Pentium PC made of Forth chips. It will be fun when we get there. And getting there requires colorforth and will be fun. Well, that's my $.02(processor)'s worth. Best Wishes --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Booting from HDD
by Nick Maroudas-2
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Nick here,
I use CF on a PC for practical reasons, because that is how it came. Like vaded (below) I am grateful to CM, JF and all the other contributors to this website (and to MR for running it). CF gave me a 3 fold increase in speed over an ANSI Forth, and I am looking forward to parallel SEAFORTH because music is essentially the sum of harmonics that move through time in parallel. But, waiting for SEAFORTH chips/usb drives to arrive (and at a price I can afford) I was forced to buy a 3GHz PC to run CF at even more speed. (My local supplier looked at me strangely when I asked him to add a floppy drive and no MS). Caritas, NickM Quoting vaded@...: >... " Please do not misunderstand me -- I am very >... " grateful for the work you >... " all are doing on colorForth for the PC. I'm >... " just curious how all of >... " you view the whole colorForth on PC issue, since >... " it is obvious that >... " Chuck's goal was to say "good riddance" to the >... " PC ASAP. Most of the >... " posts I see on this mailing list are about >... " colorForth for the PC. >... " >... " Perhaps it would be a different story if we have >... " access to some of >... " the new chips/usb drives. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: Booting from HDD
by Jason Kemp-2
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Dear Vaded,
This is my position: I am new to Forth and colorForth; I have not (yet) written my own Forth: I am not a computer scientist; I am finding that gaining an understanding of any aspect of colorForth is like wading through treacle. I am hoping that before long I will be some way up the learning curve--although it seems to be a case of multiple learning curves rather than just one, and this is down to the problems of using a PC: not one of my questions to this list has actually been about *using* colorForth yet but just about getting it to compile or run or where to find code or documentation. It's my problems that seem to have caused most of the activity on the list recently, so that might be why you see an emphasis on colorForth for the PC recently. If there were something else available that I could run it on that at the moment would be easier and more reliable than a PC, then I would jump at the opportunity. I appreciate that the PC is not the easiest, simplest or most efficient architecture, but at the moment I think it's all that's available to me--please do advise me if I have this wrong. Jason vaded@... said the following on 16/03/2008 22:07: > Please do not misunderstand me -- I am very grateful for the work you > all are doing on colorForth for the PC. I'm just curious how all of > you view the whole colorForth on PC issue, since it is obvious that > Chuck's goal was to say "good riddance" to the PC ASAP. Most of the > posts I see on this mailing list are about colorForth for the PC. > > Perhaps it would be a different story if we have access to some of > the new chips/usb drives. I'm just confused why this emphasis on > PC colorForth when it was meant for/could do much more on a modern > Forth processor? > > My regards, > > - > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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