Bug 184891 - Separate menus and toolbars of KParts from Konqueror's menus and toolbars

[Jamadagni]

Dear Konqueror devels,

I am the reporter of the bug in the subject line. Here's the link for
your convenience:

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=184891

I have in detail outlined the problem there so I won't repeat myself
here. This bug is an inadvertent dup of the bug 144213 reported by
myself for KDE 3. (I forgot I had reported it and reported newly for KDE 4.)

This is a very serious problem, IMHO, and unattended to since almost two
and a half years. (I refer to the date of the KDE 3 bug which persists
in KDE 4.) The problem escalated with KDE 4, I don't know why. Maybe
because KDE 4 implements better ambiguous shortcut detection.

IMHO this bug seriously impairs Konqueror's usability. I humbly request
for the devels to look into this bug and at least fix it for KDE 4.4 if
not KDE 4.3.x.

Or maybe till this bug is properly fix, one can totally disable
embedding of KParts (except KHTML) into Konqueror. Seeing as how
https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kfm-devel/ says "Konqueror, the
KDE file manager and web browser" Konqueror can remain just remain the
file manager and web browser and stop being the universal viewer, till
this bug is fixed.

Thanks for your patience,

--
Shriramana Sharma

[Stefan Majewsky]

Hi,

I'm not a Konq dev, but thought I'd comment on your points to save some time
of the Konq devs.

> This is a very serious problem, IMHO, and unattended to since almost two
> and a half years. (I refer to the date of the KDE 3 bug which persists
> in KDE 4.) The problem escalated with KDE 4, I don't know why. Maybe
> because KDE 4 implements better ambiguous shortcut detection.

Yes. In KDE 3, some black magic somehow selected one action even if multiple
actions were available.

> IMHO this bug seriously impairs Konqueror's usability. I humbly request
> for the devels to look into this bug and at least fix it for KDE 4.4 if
> not KDE 4.3.x.

+1

> Or maybe till this bug is properly fix, one can totally disable
> embedding of KParts (except KHTML) into Konqueror. Seeing as how
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kfm-devel/ says "Konqueror, the
> KDE file manager and web browser" Konqueror can remain just remain the
> file manager and web browser and stop being the universal viewer, till
> this bug is fixed.

Konqueror is just some advanced shell for KParts. File management is done with
the dolphinpart, and khtmlpart (or webkitpart) is used for web browsing. There
is absolutely no way to disable KParts. That's like a request to remove music
playback from Amarok.

Greetings
Stefan

[Jamadagni]

No interest showed by the devels. :(

--
Shriramana Sharma

Hi,

On Tuesday 15 September 2009 18:47:49 Shriramana Sharma wrote:
> No interest showed by the devels. :(

I understand that you are annoyed by the problem you've found and that you
would like to see it fixed ASAP. However, there is only a small number of
people working on Konqueror, mostly in their free time (that's the case for
most free software projects, actually). I don't really know the relevant
pieces of code, but your suggestions sound like very non-trivial changes to
me. That nobody has started working on it yet does not mean that the
developers are not interested in improving the user experience - quite the
opposite is true.

Anyone who wants to help out with patches to reduce the huge number of open
bugs and wishes will certainly be welcome (but be sure to ask the maintainers
of the code or this list for advice before you start larger changes, and don't
despair if you don't get a reply in three days - many developers have full
inboxes and little time).

Best regards,
Frank