Bug#555671: linux-image-2.6.26-2-686: Conflicts: yaird (< 0.0.13) but 0.0.12-25 is to be installed

[Matthieu CASTET]

Package: linux-image-2.6.26-2-686
Severity: normal


Hi,

in lenny linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 failed because it want a version of
yaird that doesn't exist.


Matthieu



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Package: linux-image-2.6.26-2-686
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Hi,

in lenny linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 failed because it want a version of
yaird that doesn't exist.


Matthieu



On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 00:14 +0100, matthieu castet wrote:
> Package: linux-image-2.6.26-2-686
> Severity: normal
>
>
> Hi,
>
> in lenny linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 failed because it want a version of
> yaird that doesn't exist.

No, it *conflicts* with the old version of yaird that you have
installed.  yaird is not included in 'lenny'; you should use
initramfs-tools instead.

Ben.

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[Matthieu CASTET]

>
> On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 00:14 +0100, matthieu castet wrote:
>> Package: linux-image-2.6.26-2-686
>> Severity: normal
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> in lenny linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 failed because it want a version of
>> yaird that doesn't exist.
>
> No, it *conflicts* with the old version of yaird that you have
> installed.  yaird is not included in 'lenny'; you should use
> initramfs-tools instead.
>
> Ben.

yaird was present on etch, why it is not present on lenny.
I don't want to install initramfs-tools because it depends on udev. And my
system which is a video recorder doesn't want/need it.

Matthieu



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[Ben Hutchings-3]

On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 00:12 +0100, matthieu castet wrote:

> >
> > On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 00:14 +0100, matthieu castet wrote:
> >> Package: linux-image-2.6.26-2-686
> >> Severity: normal
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> in lenny linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 failed because it want a version of
> >> yaird that doesn't exist.
> >
> > No, it *conflicts* with the old version of yaird that you have
> > installed.  yaird is not included in 'lenny'; you should use
> > initramfs-tools instead.
> >
> > Ben.
> yaird was present on etch, why it is not present on lenny.

I don't know; it was not my decision.

> I don't want to install initramfs-tools because it depends on udev. And my
> system which is a video recorder doesn't want/need it.

Then you should stick with etch or build your own kernel without an
initramfs.  Do not ask us to support systems without udev.

Ben.

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[Jonas Smedegaard]

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 01:45:05AM +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote:

>On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 00:12 +0100, matthieu castet wrote:
>> >
>> > On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 00:14 +0100, matthieu castet wrote:
>> >> Package: linux-image-2.6.26-2-686
>> >> Severity: normal
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> in lenny linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 failed because it want a version
>> >> of yaird that doesn't exist.
>> >
>> > No, it *conflicts* with the old version of yaird that you have
>> > installed.  yaird is not included in 'lenny'; you should use
>> > initramfs-tools instead.
>> >
>> > Ben.
>> yaird was present on etch, why it is not present on lenny.
>
>I don't know; it was not my decision.

No, it was the decision of a release manager, based on judgement of Max,
described by same release manager as "long-term kernel team member"
which was judging "with his kernel arch maintainer hat on". [1]

So waving off as "not my problem" by the kernel team seems a little odd
to me.  If you speak with your kernel team hat on, that is.



>> I don't want to install initramfs-tools because it depends on udev.
>> And my system which is a video recorder doesn't want/need it.
>
>Then you should stick with etch or build your own kernel without an
>initramfs.  Do not ask us to support systems without udev.

I do agree: despite my disagreement with max on bug#457177 and (many)
other issues of yaird, that does not change that Debian as a project has
decided to only in its current stable release have decided to only ship
with a single ramdisk generator - the one maintained by the Debian
kernel team (or a member therof), and that ramdisk generator depends on
udev.

So I agree that this bugreport as filed is inappropriate and should stay
closed.


Kind regards,

  - Jonas

Maintainer of yaird


[1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457177#78

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[Matthieu CASTET]

Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :

> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 01:45:05AM +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote:
>>> I don't want to install initramfs-tools because it depends on udev.
>>> And my system which is a video recorder doesn't want/need it.
>>
>> Then you should stick with etch or build your own kernel without an
>> initramfs.  Do not ask us to support systems without udev.
>
> I do agree: despite my disagreement with max on bug#457177 and (many)
> other issues of yaird, that does not change that Debian as a project has
> decided to only in its current stable release have decided to only ship
> with a single ramdisk generator - the one maintained by the Debian
> kernel team (or a member therof), and that ramdisk generator depends on
> udev.
>
> So I agree that this bugreport as filed is inappropriate and should stay
> closed.

Ok, but that's weird that linux-image got yaird in depends in this case.
It should only have initramfs-tools.


Matthieu



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[Ben Hutchings-3]

On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 22:35 +0100, matthieu castet wrote:

> Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :
> > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 01:45:05AM +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> >>> I don't want to install initramfs-tools because it depends on udev.
> >>> And my system which is a video recorder doesn't want/need it.
> >>
> >> Then you should stick with etch or build your own kernel without an
> >> initramfs.  Do not ask us to support systems without udev.
> >
> > I do agree: despite my disagreement with max on bug#457177 and (many)
> > other issues of yaird, that does not change that Debian as a project has
> > decided to only in its current stable release have decided to only ship
> > with a single ramdisk generator - the one maintained by the Debian
> > kernel team (or a member therof), and that ramdisk generator depends on
> > udev.
> >
> > So I agree that this bugreport as filed is inappropriate and should stay
> > closed.
> Ok, but that's weird that linux-image got yaird in depends in this case.

[...]

It doesn't.  Please read more carefully.

Ben.

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