BugSquad Meeting Minutes -- 2009-10/09

[C de-Avillez-2]

Hello all,

Yesterday we had our BugSquad meeting, on #bugs@.... We expect
to have a new meeting in about one month. You can cast your
availability on Doodle (http://doodle.com/vpffu5tf23c82nr5).

As usual, the meeting Minutes, and the raw log, can be found at
http://live.gnome.org/Bugsquad/Meetings/20091009.

== New project: BugsquadGoals ==

Small and easy tasks for newbies: see the bottom of Bugsquad/BugDays

DISCUSSED

Generally a good thing to help newbies finding their way to the magics
of Triaging. The problem with newbies closing bugs is, though, that
they might upset someone by, e.g. closing bugs too early or fiddling
around with metadata. Thus we should supervise a newbie for as long as
it's needed ;-) But there's a problem: How does one get the changes
someone else made to a bug?

ACTIONS:
        hggdh to investigate on how to follow someone properly. TODO
        (Bug 597962)

        jjardon to create new page for BugSquadGoals. DONE:
        http://live.gnome.org/Bugsquad/BugsquadGoals

        jjardon to add new BugsquadGoal: setting bugs to NEW where a
        developer has acted (and accepted the bug) but the bug is still
        UNCONFIRMED. DONE bug 597965

== Bugsquad/DirectiveDiscussion ==

DISCUSSED

Although the intention of the TriageGuide and DirectiveDiscussion were
different, the content basically is the same and the quality is better
on the TriageGuide. Thus mark the DirectiveDiscussion Page as
deprecated in favour of the TriageGuide

ACTIONS:
        jjardon to mark DirectiveDiscussion as deprecated and link to
        TriageGuide. TODO bug 597966


== Future of Bugsquad/BugDays ==

http://live.gnome.org/Bugsquad/BugDays

DISCUSSED

We want bugdays ;-). To have enough time for external parties like the
ArtTeam, we plan to have a Bugday in two months. We would like
everybody to file ideas at http://live.gnome.org/Bugsquad/BugDays.

We found that the following tasks have to be done:

    * Find good goals for a bugday. Useful, simple, measurable and
      attractive. Maybe "look at bugs from product xxxx" or "with
      keyword foo"
    * Have a banner to be placed at the top of bugzilla. This is not a
      must but would be nice to show both the appreciation for the new
      people, and as a call for help. Involves asking ArtTeam and
      bugzilla-admins.
    * Have an image or a logo which can be posted around.
    * Produce Screencasts on how to triage a bug.
    * If there is a measurable goal, an IRC bot might be nice, ala
      "Heya folks, we got 60% already! Keep on going and we're done
      with this by 17:42"
    * Warn developers that there might be more bugmail than usual
    * get as many bug triagers together as possible
    * Send mail to gnome-love and blog about it
    * Post at http://gnomesupport.org/forums/ (are there other platforms?)

ACTIONS
        mruiz to ask ArtTeam for a logo for blogs and a bugzilla
        banner. A template to flexibly fill in date/time. TODO bug
        597971

        Susana to create a bugday planning page and ask people to add
        their ideas. TODO

        Muelli to ask gnome-infrastructure whether it's possible to
        have a banner on top of bugzilla on bugday linking to the
        bugday page. TODO 597972


Cheers,

..hggdh..


_______________________________________________
gnome-bugsquad mailing list
gnome-bugsquad@...
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-bugsquad

[Christian Kirbach-2]

Am Samstag, den 10.10.2009, 10:36 -0500 schrieb C de-Avillez:

> Yesterday we had our BugSquad meeting, on #bugs@.... We expect

Hello everyone,

I regret I didn't make it the second time in a row to the IRC meeting.
I started my GNOME journey with the Bugsquad a couple of years ago but
was rather inactive the last year or so, shifting my efforts to other
parts of GNOME.

> But there's a problem: How does one get the changes
> someone else made to a bug?
>
> hggdh to investigate on how to follow someone properly. TODO
> (Bug 597962)

This is rather simple. Make anyone interested in following all user
activity watch the novice's email address. This is like standing in
his/her shoes. Do so by adding it to the
'user watching' list under Preferences->Email Preferences

I also would like to thank Frederic Peters for porting our small but
fine enhancements like the stock responses to the new Bugzilla.


Regards
--
Christian Kirbach <Christian.Kirbach@...>

_______________________________________________
gnome-bugsquad mailing list
gnome-bugsquad@...
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-bugsquad

[Tobias Mueller-6]

Heya :)

On 10.10.2009 22:55, Christian Kirbach wrote:

> Am Samstag, den 10.10.2009, 10:36 -0500 schrieb C de-Avillez:
>> But there's a problem: How does one get the changes
>> someone else made to a bug?
>>
>> hggdh to investigate on how to follow someone properly. TODO
>> (Bug 597962)
>
> This is rather simple. Make anyone interested in following all user
> activity watch the novice's email address. This is like standing in
> his/her shoes.

And exactly that doesn't do the trick:

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email writes:
> If you watch a user, it is as if you are standing in their shoes for the purposes of getting email.
> Email is sent or not according to your preferences for their relationship to the bug (e.g. Assignee).
So it's according to *my* preferences as if *I* did a change to the bug.
And of course I don't want to receive email whenever *I* change anything
on a bug. So I won't get any email if the watchee changes a bug.

Cheers,
  Tobi


_______________________________________________
gnome-bugsquad mailing list
gnome-bugsquad@...
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-bugsquad

[Olav Vitters]

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:36:43AM -0500, C de-Avillez wrote:
> Generally a good thing to help newbies finding their way to the magics
> of Triaging. The problem with newbies closing bugs is, though, that

Read the discussion on #bugs partly. Noticed someone remarking that
there aren't a lot of people who can hand out triaging permissions
(canconfirm+editbugs). Anyway, that group can be expanded, just propose
who should have it as well.

--
Regards,
Olav
_______________________________________________
gnome-bugsquad mailing list
gnome-bugsquad@...
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-bugsquad

[Tobias Mueller-6]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Aloha :-)

On 10.10.2009 16:36, C de-Avillez wrote:
> == Future of Bugsquad/BugDays ==
>
> http://live.gnome.org/Bugsquad/BugDays
> [...]
> ACTIONS
> mruiz to ask ArtTeam for a logo for blogs and a bugzilla
> banner. A template to flexibly fill in date/time. TODO bug
> 597971
>
So, are there any news?
mruiz, if you happen to not have time this, just let me know, we'll get
that handled then :-)

> Susana to create a bugday planning page and ask people to add
> their ideas. TODO
>
People, you are still invited to come up with ideas that make a good
topic for a bugday :)
Something GNOME 3.0 related might be catchy. Maybe smth like "Have no
UNCOMFIRMED bug against bonobo/glade/$deprecated"...



Cheers,
  Tobi
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iEYEARECAAYFAkrgFUUACgkQPuBX/6ogjZ5IigCfRjndihsQF0eZPa/jPA5kDk6y
/2EAnRlbEJnCiNkif8brUvRWq5qBDk00
=/Fwf
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
_______________________________________________
gnome-bugsquad mailing list
gnome-bugsquad@...
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-bugsquad

[Andre Klapper]

Am Donnerstag, den 22.10.2009, 09:18 +0100 schrieb Tobias Mueller:
> Something GNOME 3.0 related might be catchy. Maybe smth like "Have no
> UNCOMFIRMED bug against bonobo/glade/$deprecated"...

Why spend time on deprecated stuff?
(btw it's libglade, not glade that is deprecated)

andre
--
 mailto:ak-47@... | failed
 http://www.iomc.de/  | http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper

_______________________________________________
gnome-bugsquad mailing list
gnome-bugsquad@...
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-bugsquad

[Fabio Duran Verdugo]

Hi:
Tobias, the next saturday, In Gnome Day Event here in chile made this
work, I help mruiz to make it.

Cheers
Fabio.

So, are there any news?
mruiz, if you happen to not have time this, just let me know, we'll get
that handled then :-)
_______________________________________________
gnome-bugsquad mailing list
gnome-bugsquad@...
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-bugsquad

[Tobias Mueller-6]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Heya :-)

On 22.10.2009 12:01, Andre Klapper wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, den 22.10.2009, 09:18 +0100 schrieb Tobias Mueller:
>> Something GNOME 3.0 related might be catchy. Maybe smth like "Have no
>> UNCOMFIRMED bug against bonobo/glade/$deprecated"...
>
> Why spend time on deprecated stuff?
Because it's a GNOME-3.0 related thing (i.e. get rid of deprecated
stuff) and it might have a positive effect on people who consider to
attend the bugday.
I don't mind a better idea of course ;-)

Cheers,
  Tobi
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iEYEARECAAYFAkrgmcIACgkQPuBX/6ogjZ7dkwCgiuALQZ7t0lUDN6im4e+AS4wW
+O8AnRNcI+lEIXlEDSJMe8/jPgbVikZt
=pcME
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

_______________________________________________
gnome-bugsquad mailing list
gnome-bugsquad@...
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-bugsquad

[Andre Klapper]

Am Donnerstag, den 22.10.2009, 18:43 +0100 schrieb Tobias Mueller:

> On 22.10.2009 12:01, Andre Klapper wrote:
> > Am Donnerstag, den 22.10.2009, 09:18 +0100 schrieb Tobias Mueller:
> >> Something GNOME 3.0 related might be catchy. Maybe smth like "Have no
> >> UNCOMFIRMED bug against bonobo/glade/$deprecated"...
> >
> > Why spend time on deprecated stuff?
> Because it's a GNOME-3.0 related thing (i.e. get rid of deprecated
> stuff) and it might have a positive effect on people who consider to
> attend the bugday.
> I don't mind a better idea of course ;-)

I still don't totally get why this is not a waste of time at the current
state we're in. :-)

So what to do with the UNCONFIRMED bugs?
Ask people to confirm them for a product that will die soon anyway?
Ask people to try to reproduce in 2.28, which still partially uses those
old products? If so, why, if that will die anyway and we will see some
new bugs (or the same bugs, but for different technical reasons)?

andre
--
 mailto:ak-47@... | failed
 http://www.iomc.de/  | http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper

_______________________________________________
gnome-bugsquad mailing list
gnome-bugsquad@...
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-bugsquad

[Tobias Mueller-6]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Heya :)

On 22.10.2009 13:25, Fabio Durán Verdugo wrote:
> I help mruiz to make it.
>
That'd be great. Are there any news?
I'd like to have that sorted out soonish as our planned bugday
approaches very fast.
I don't think it's much work anyway :) It's probably just a mail to
GNOME-Art, asking for some artwork, probably giving some initial ideas.
So it's not much of a problem if you can't do it at the moment, just let
us know :)

Cheers,
  Tobi
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iEYEARECAAYFAkrwQhIACgkQPuBX/6ogjZ692wCgpdUxtd04v19V2LiMoMwc6qrn
mkEAmwelInKwok0cwJpTAGeQ4tgc0mCU
=I/ry
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

_______________________________________________
gnome-bugsquad mailing list
gnome-bugsquad@...
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-bugsquad

[Tobias Mueller-6]

Labas!

On 10.10.2009 16:36, C de-Avillez wrote:
> We expect
> to have a new meeting in about one month. You can cast your
> availability on Doodle (http://doodle.com/vpffu5tf23c82nr5).
>
The first potential date is in a couple of days. I invite you to enter
you details in that doodle so that we can find a good date and time.

We have at least to discuss the Bugday taking place in December.
For the rest of the potential Agenda, please see
http://live.gnome.org/Bugsquad/Meetings/20091101.

Cheers,
  Tobi

_______________________________________________
gnome-bugsquad mailing list
gnome-bugsquad@...
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-bugsquad

[Miguel Angel Ruiz Manzano-3]

On 11/03/2009 11:45 AM, Tobias Mueller wrote:
[...]

> Heya :)

Hi Tobias

> That'd be great. Are there any news?

First of all, I want to say sorry. The last month was tough for me:
finally I became Computer Engineer (I got my degree) and I was part of
the organization team of the biggest FLOSS event in Chile called
"Encuentro Linux" [1].

Anyway, I have talked with Daniel Galleguillos, member of the Art Team.
He said "No problem, I'm happy to contribute to the BugSquad Team".
Daniel will contact Andreas Nilsson to work on this.

Also, I gave him some examples [2] [3]. We expect to have news soon.

Thanks for the patience :D


> Cheers,

Greetings!


[1]http://2009.encuentrolinux.cl
[2]http://notroublenolife.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/gnomebugzilla2.png
[3]http://blogs.gnome.org/muelli/files/2009/08/bug-hunt-wgo.png

--
Miguel Angel Ruiz Manzano                    http://mruiz.openminds.cl
Computer Engineer - PUCV - Chile
_______________________________________________
gnome-bugsquad mailing list
gnome-bugsquad@...
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-bugsquad

[Javier Jardón]

2009/11/3 Tobias Mueller <muelli@...>:
> Labas!
>
> On 10.10.2009 16:36, C de-Avillez wrote:
>> We expect
>> to have a new meeting in about one month. You can cast your
>> availability on Doodle (http://doodle.com/vpffu5tf23c82nr5).
>>
> The first potential date is in a couple of days. I invite you to enter
> you details in that doodle so that we can find a good date and time.

Oops, totally forgot this mail, thank you for the reminder Tobias ;)

Regards,
--
Javier Jardón Cabezas
_______________________________________________
gnome-bugsquad mailing list
gnome-bugsquad@...
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-bugsquad